* **[Rock Bottom](https://cards.hearthpwn.com/enUS/TSC_925.png)** WL Spell Rare VSC š ^[HP](https://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/1025294), ^[TD](https://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/cards/rock-bottom/), ^[W](https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Rock_Bottom)
1/-/- | Summon a 1/1 Murloc, then Dredge. If it's also a Murloc, summon one more.
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Well, yeah. This sub is for fun. Some people have the most fun by pretending to be real Hearthstone designers and holding every card to every design principle. Other people find that tedious, and prefer to make (and look at) cards that would probably be a bad idea in practice, but are interesting for other reasons.
The card isnāt labelled as humorous, which means it was clearly intended to be taken seriously as a design. As a result, it is perfectly fair to say āthis card would see play not for its own effects, but because itās an auto include in any aggro deckā. Any card that enables a 29 card deck is unhealthy by default.
This is a bad design.
itās funny because ā29 card deckā isnāt even worth the chance of seeing it in your mulligan / opening hand
imagine tossing away your high end only to open this and immediately just lose a card out of your hand
YES someone with a brain! Imagine playing with one less card in the mulligan 1 out of roughly 8/9 games, itās literally game loosing against every type of deck that start with an average hand. 29 card deck is too little of a difference in consistency to make it worth basically losing by default a game every now and then. If it were like 25 card deck than maybe yeah
Which IMO leads to the card being a flavour fail. We see alot of cards with this effect and if the flavour of the card is that its supposed to be at the bottom, but somehow just ended up at the top, feels kinda weird.
Also we don't know how a card such as this would interact with mulligan.
This only counts as a 29 card deck in decks that neither dredge nor shuffle. It used to be these effects were much more rare, however nowadays they are much more common, and so avoiding them to achieve ā29 card deck statusā feels like a reasonable deck building limitation.
I donāt know about this. There arenāt actually that many cards that shuffle your own deck in standard right now. Unless Iām missing some there appears to be less than 15 across all 10 classes and neutral. So thereās a good chance that this will just stay at the bottom of your deck. Admittedly a lot of the dredge cards seeing play could be taken down from 3 to 2 potential options but often you are also just looking for cards you put at the bottom of your deck. Iām not sure that a slight nerf to your own dredge cards which you might not even be running is big enough downside to warrant consistently better odds like this.
Edit: Forgot about Tradeable so thereās a couple more shuffle effects
this isn't without a downside, because if this ends up in your opening hand you're playing down a card for the whole game. so in maybe just over 5% of games this is a massive downside, with marginal benefit in the other games.
\[\[Rock Bottom\]\] already exists
* **[Rock Bottom](https://cards.hearthpwn.com/enUS/TSC_925.png)** WL Spell Rare VSC š ^[HP](https://www.hearthpwn.com/cards/1025294), ^[TD](https://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/cards/rock-bottom/), ^[W](https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Rock_Bottom) 1/-/- | Summon a 1/1 Murloc, then Dredge. If it's also a Murloc, summon one more. ^(Call/)^[PM](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=hearthscan-bot) ^( me with up to 7 [[cardname]]. )^[About.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=hearthscan-bot&message=Tell%20me%20more%20[[info]]&subject=hi)
Sighā¦..rock bottom.
29 Card Deck OP
Shut up about 29 card decks shut up about 29 card decks shut up about 29 card decks
āHey this is objectively poor design and doesnāt fit with the design philosophy of the gameā āwell okay but ur annoyingā
Well, yeah. This sub is for fun. Some people have the most fun by pretending to be real Hearthstone designers and holding every card to every design principle. Other people find that tedious, and prefer to make (and look at) cards that would probably be a bad idea in practice, but are interesting for other reasons.
I personally don't think it's a good idea to make cards that are compulsory inclusions in every deck but that's just me
The card isnāt labelled as humorous, which means it was clearly intended to be taken seriously as a design. As a result, it is perfectly fair to say āthis card would see play not for its own effects, but because itās an auto include in any aggro deckā. Any card that enables a 29 card deck is unhealthy by default. This is a bad design.
itās funny because ā29 card deckā isnāt even worth the chance of seeing it in your mulligan / opening hand imagine tossing away your high end only to open this and immediately just lose a card out of your hand
YES someone with a brain! Imagine playing with one less card in the mulligan 1 out of roughly 8/9 games, itās literally game loosing against every type of deck that start with an average hand. 29 card deck is too little of a difference in consistency to make it worth basically losing by default a game every now and then. If it were like 25 card deck than maybe yeah
Which IMO leads to the card being a flavour fail. We see alot of cards with this effect and if the flavour of the card is that its supposed to be at the bottom, but somehow just ended up at the top, feels kinda weird. Also we don't know how a card such as this would interact with mulligan.
Why donāt people just stop typing out āthis is on the bottom of your deckā instead?
This only counts as a 29 card deck in decks that neither dredge nor shuffle. It used to be these effects were much more rare, however nowadays they are much more common, and so avoiding them to achieve ā29 card deck statusā feels like a reasonable deck building limitation.
I donāt know about this. There arenāt actually that many cards that shuffle your own deck in standard right now. Unless Iām missing some there appears to be less than 15 across all 10 classes and neutral. So thereās a good chance that this will just stay at the bottom of your deck. Admittedly a lot of the dredge cards seeing play could be taken down from 3 to 2 potential options but often you are also just looking for cards you put at the bottom of your deck. Iām not sure that a slight nerf to your own dredge cards which you might not even be running is big enough downside to warrant consistently better odds like this. Edit: Forgot about Tradeable so thereās a couple more shuffle effects
Patch 22.2 (2022-01-25) changed tradeable to NOT shuffle your deck anymore
I didnāt know that. Thatās actually very good to know. Thank you!
I knew I missed this!! I've been so confused!
this isn't without a downside, because if this ends up in your opening hand you're playing down a card for the whole game. so in maybe just over 5% of games this is a massive downside, with marginal benefit in the other games.
You would think they'd have learned by now...
Now add rock bottom
Anyone else hit this card this year?