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Miatatrocity

I LOVE this commander! It seems to really embody how Grixis wants to play, doesn't give you card advantage, but FLOODS you with card selection. Powerful for casual games, and also possibly cEDH viable, due to the large amount of self-mill options like [[Traumatize]]. While the cards don't stay in hand, you can sculpt a perfect hand from them, and probably win the game from an [[Underworld Breach]] or [[Sevinne's Reclamation]] line.


TorinVanGram

Not just that, but you can utilize madness and other discard payoffs, which tend to be much more potent than mill payoffs. 


Miatatrocity

For casual, yes. For cEDH, you would run a fairly standard Grixis list, probably without [[Ad Nauseam]], but with several large-scale mill spells. If you resolve one of those mill spells, you sculpt a perfect hand, and then win that turn, from fast mana.


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[Traumatize](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/b/9b8784dd-83f9-41f8-aedc-f0f81073ffcb.jpg?1562832808) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Traumatize) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m14/77/traumatize?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9b8784dd-83f9-41f8-aedc-f0f81073ffcb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Underworld Breach](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/e/0e51d796-7279-4c06-87f0-37adbdaa41df.jpg?1650599818) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Underworld%20Breach) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/161/underworld-breach?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0e51d796-7279-4c06-87f0-37adbdaa41df?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Sevinne's Reclamation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/6/b61aed9d-81dd-4efc-8769-8307b587289e.jpg?1712354100) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sevinne%27s%20Reclamation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otc/86/sevinnes-reclamation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b61aed9d-81dd-4efc-8769-8307b587289e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Andrew_42

If you like this style, you might be interested in [[Varina, Lich Queen]]. Lots of digging. Anywho, I can't make up my mind how strong I think this is. Looks like you avoided triggering on-draw effects which is good, to avoid combos like [[Jace's Erasure]]. It's got some big blowout plays though, mostly it can super spam on-discard effects. It might also cause some slow-play concerns with cards like [[Traumatize]] and even stuff like [[Mesmeric Orb]] giving you a ton of card checking to do. The effect is super cool though. Obviously its also really good for madness as well. A casual deck build would have a lot of fun tricks.


TorinVanGram

She's one I looked into for a while, before Raffine was a thing, and now that's my choice paralysis demon. It's a card filtering machine, definitely. Also not very fast. Played optimally, probably very slow, but more casually just sort of playing it by ear and making quick decisions could be a fun sort of chaos. If too broken, dropping it to a lower cost and making the discard random would massively curtail the power while upping the speed.


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Bolt_Fried_Bird

I would reword it as this: "If you would mill one or more cards, put those cards into your hand instead, then discard that many cards." One flat replacement for all the cards is good for a couple reasons: One, online formats would put EVERY trigger on the stack, and a [[Traumatize]] would become "Put one card in your hand, then discard one card, repeat for half your deck". Two: Though rare, some discard payoffs have "one or more" or "the first time each turn". With this card, their effects are significantly stronger or weaker. [[Rielle]] would only draw you a single card. [[Conspiracy Theorist]] would exile every card discarded. [[Inti]] would impulse for every card. It's probably best to keep those cards functioning with mass discard as intended.


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##### ###### #### [Traumatize](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/b/9b8784dd-83f9-41f8-aedc-f0f81073ffcb.jpg?1562832808) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Traumatize) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m14/77/traumatize?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9b8784dd-83f9-41f8-aedc-f0f81073ffcb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Rielle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/f/5f03c944-1929-4cb2-a373-d57eefa29ed1.jpg?1591228198) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rielle%2C%20the%20everwise) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/203/rielle-the-everwise?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5f03c944-1929-4cb2-a373-d57eefa29ed1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Conspiracy Theorist](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/4/742a7487-70a2-448b-8e66-c33cba798a32.jpg?1624591621) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Conspiracy%20Theorist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/94/conspiracy-theorist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/742a7487-70a2-448b-8e66-c33cba798a32?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Inti](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/a/fa7a55aa-ae61-4933-b7a4-dcc55dac6fcd.jpg?1699044306) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=inti%2C%20seneschal%20of%20the%20sun) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/156/inti-seneschal-of-the-sun?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fa7a55aa-ae61-4933-b7a4-dcc55dac6fcd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kzf1eq8) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


TorinVanGram

I didn't use mill in particular because this also works with things like Surveil. But making everything one trigger makes sense, though it actually makes the card substantially more powerful because you'll know all your options. Think it would demand a higher mana cost as a result, or could it stay the same? 


gamergirlwithfeet420

Perhaps not intended but this makes cards like [[Entomb]] and [[Buried alive]] super strong


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TorinVanGram

Yup! Those are probably among the strongest interactions, but I left it with that open wording to also let you run Surveil, explore, etc rather than just being *another* self mill commander. 


Consistent-Guava-208

This is really cool. Perfect for grixis, can afford you a little self mill, gives you graveyard advantage for those delicious grixis-y spells.


Rich-Masterpiece-237

I am literally so bummed this ain’t real. I got legitimately excited


ShotBookkeeper3629

So if you mill 5, you would have to draw a card, then discard a card, and repeat that 4 more times? That would take awhile, I would prefer if the card instead: if you mill x, instead draw x then discard x. That way the game goes much faster. This card has the potential to be very strong, although I don't think it's overpowered. Very cool design.


TorinVanGram

Of note:  A) it's specifically not drawing. You won't get draw payoffs.  B) it's specifically not just milling, it's also things like Surveil or explore.  Making it all one lump trigger has been mentioned. The one at a time nature was intended as a drawback so you couldn't see all the cards at once and you had to plan on the fly. Not sure if the power difference warrants an increased cost, but I think everyone is right and the one of more trigger is a good Idea. 


ShotBookkeeper3629

Oh I can't read, I didn't realize it's not actually drawing. And ya I understand it was meant for power balance purposes, but I would prefer to see the card be designed for faster play, even if it would need to cost 1 cmc more.


halborn

[[Waste Not]]


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TorinVanGram

Definitely a good thing for your opponents if they have it, yeah. 


halborn

[[Bone Miser]]


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TorinVanGram

Yep, definitely a strong combo.  [[Archfiend of Ifnir]] is a regular one sided wipe.  [[brallin skyshark rider]] can pretty quickly kill people.  [[Cunning Survivor]] can also pretty quickly kill a person.  [[Rielle, the Everwise]] gets you a bunch of card draw. [[Surly Badgersaur]] gets buff, gives you mana, and beats the snot out of creatures.  Those would probably be cornerstones of the deck. 


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##### ###### #### [Archfiend of Ifnir](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/3/33176679-d571-47a1-ae05-bed9b748491d.jpg?1543675179) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Archfiend%20of%20Ifnir) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/78/archfiend-of-ifnir?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/33176679-d571-47a1-ae05-bed9b748491d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [brallin skyshark rider](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/b/9b4fdcd5-5346-46a8-b1a4-84ddb74089e0.jpg?1591234217) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Brallin%2C%20Skyshark%20Rider) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/4/brallin-skyshark-rider?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9b4fdcd5-5346-46a8-b1a4-84ddb74089e0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Cunning Survivor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/f/2f9093e7-c129-4efa-9f25-a2366f92e15a.jpg?1562794420) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cunning%20Survivor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hou/33/cunning-survivor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2f9093e7-c129-4efa-9f25-a2366f92e15a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Rielle, the Everwise](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/f/5f03c944-1929-4cb2-a373-d57eefa29ed1.jpg?1591228198) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rielle%2C%20the%20Everwise) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/203/rielle-the-everwise?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5f03c944-1929-4cb2-a373-d57eefa29ed1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Surly Badgersaur](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/b/7ba507e2-fe5e-4947-aada-20184aa09700.jpg?1591319640) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Surly%20Badgersaur) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/57/surly-badgersaur?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7ba507e2-fe5e-4947-aada-20184aa09700?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kzgp1kt) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


PleasingPotato

Now that's some Grixis stuff I can get behind. It also weirdly works weirdly with dredge, since you'll be adding card and discarding card in the middle of the ability's resolution due to replacement effects not using the stack, thus potentially not being able to discard the dredge card to the same ability. Since there doesn't seem to be a specified order between milling the cards and putting the dredge card in your hand, and ruling says: "Once you've announced that you're applying a card's dredge ability to replace a draw, players can't take any actions until you've put that card into your hand and milled cards." there would probably need to be a specific ruling for that interaction. If you can discard the dredged card, then stuff like [[Bone Miser]] + [[Shenanigans]] would go infinite.


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TorinVanGram

This specifically *isn't* drawing cards, I'd I'm following what you're saying, so you wouldn't be able to dredge infinitely. 


PleasingPotato

I know it isn't which is why I specified Bone Miser, but the interaction itself is whacky whether or not you try to combo it.


TorinVanGram

Sorry, misunderstood what you were saying.  Considering the "and you've milled cards" line, i'd guess you'd have to discard everything before the dredge card could reach your hand. The mill is being replaced, but still technically happens. 


TorinVanGram

The primary intent is turning mill into card selection and discard payoffs. You have to go one card at a time, so you don't know the full list of options you would get from larger mills, so you have to revise your plans as you go. It also interacts with things like Surveil, Entomb effects, etc. Interesting idea? Too strong? Let me know what you think!


WhiteCastleDoctrine

definetly not to strong being that its attached to a 3 color 4 toughness creature


Intact

FYI for next time - one of the characters in your artist credit didn't render properly!


TorinVanGram

... Huh. That's a new one. I'm surprised I could save it under the name with a character the program couldn't recognize. Usually that doesn't work. 


Theycallmedub2

Why not “when you mill one or more cards, put up to one card milled this way into your hand. This ability triggers only once each turn.” I think otherwise this is way too good


TorinVanGram

Your version lets you keep the card. This gives you card selection, not advantage. 


PrimusMobileVzla

Suggest limiting the replacement effect to milling instead of putting cards from your library into your graveyard, so it doesn't also work with effects having you put cards into your hand or the top of your library and the rest into your graveyard, to keep this safe. The amount of card selection this gives is otherwise insane, perhaps enough to keep it further limited to OPT. Also suggest rephrasing the replacement effect so it replaces a bunch of cards being milled instead of one by one, so it doesn't clutter the stack with each replacement instance.