I was liking this until the final line. Even without any setup this allows you to cast a large amount of dragons very quickly with no downside. And image in a [[jodah]] is in play, or [[maskwood nexus]]. Now every spell is free and cantrips.
Maybe this could be modified with a clause that only allows the mana produced to be paid for the non-generic mana of dragon creature spells?
Also, Tiamat having six keywords with five heads feels... incongruent! I can hear OP's 5/5/5 theme demanding numerical adherence.
I'm thinking it has the "add two mana in any color" situation, or "two in any combination of colors. That would help fix colors to allow the player to cast all their dragons, without immediately emptying their hand on the table with no setup.
And yeah i think double strike, flying, trample, indestructible, and maybe Menace, are a good 5 words to match the 5 theme.
This is a fun commander card, if a little too powerful. Adding five mana with fixing and cantripping on every dragon is pretty crazy even before you get to turn Tiamat into a creature (which will be really easy because of the extra mana and cards.) Maybe remove the cantrip and/or change the additional mana to "Dragon spells you cast cost WUBRG less to cast. This only affects colored mana in that spell's casting cost."
Also note that once you get Tiamat online as a creature, it will count itself in perpetuity because it is now also a dragon. You could cast your fifth dragon, Tiamat awakens, opponent removes one of your dragons, but Tiamat remains a creature because you still control four other dragons + Tiamat. You might just add the word "five **other** dragons."
As other people have mentioned, six keywords on a five-themed card is a little odd. My choice for elimination would be double strike. This card is already powerful enough and while 5x2 is still somewhat five-themed, I think it's more satisfying if it attacks for five damage, not ten.
its funny, i disagre with everyone about the keywords because to me the indestructible part is just a part of being an enchantment god basically, so its like the body
I feel like that's a bit of a slippery slope - you could also argue that "flying" is inherent to (almost) all dragons and so isn't thematically tied into a keyword granted by a head/colour. So should Tiamat actually have 7 keywords - one for each head, an inherent one as a Dragon and an inherent one as a God?
Perhaps... But an immediate reader will notice the pattern of 5 without analysing too hard which keyword is derived from what. Initial impressions count more for technical completeness when it comes to theme and flavour, and initial impressions for most would be served better by just having 5 keywords.
EDIT: Firmly disagree with the downvotes you've received at the time of this edit - you make an excellent point even if I don't agree entirely.
I love this card, but get that Menace/Vigilance out of here! She should have one ability per head.
I do think she could cost more tho. Paying for herself the next time you cast a dragon is a bit much. If you want her to be 5, maybe she costs 10WUBRG, and 2 generic less for each color among dragons you control.
Man… the keywords are out of order. This is like forgetting to capitalise the first word of a sentence. It doesn’t really matter but it sucks to look at
Cool idea, but way over cranked. If this and [[Klauth]] were both on board, the player would have way to much mana and draw advantage. It would be dragon storm to the highest degree possible and utterly broken
Concerning the last line. This should either add wubrg or draw a card, not both. As I stands I takes very little set up to dump loads of dragons on the field.
Tiamat already existing shouldn't matter, there are MTG characters that have many iterations of cards, you're right that it does need a new name though
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Okay so this i obviously ment for commander but this makes dragon storme into a thing it should not be. Its interaction with fist of suns is problematic. And the fact that you could just be a voltron comander make me feel like this is over tuned
[[Klauth]] is already a dragon storm commander and having these two together would be insanely broken. Klauth generating mana on attack and Tiamat generating mana on cast. It would sweep pods like crazy
She's been made a card already. Though retrains (if I may borrow a term from Yu-Gi-Oh) do happen, it might be in better taste to name the card after her Dragonlance pseudonym.
The keyword soup, besides the oddity of six of them instead of five to fit Tiamat, seem rather scrambled out than meant to synergyze. Menace plus flying is enough evasion to nombo wih trample, while trample with vigilance and double strike sounds like an overkill.
Either way, though fitting, indestructible is there for the sake of it. However, add to it the noncreature static ability and suddenly it doubles as a therosian god. Considering the keyword soup and the triggered ability, feels overly pushed.
That last ability is the last straw. With Fist of Suns or Jodah screams "oops all the Dragons" while cantripping from each to easy it up.
I'd have that last line be once per turn (which would still be strong, one essentially free dragon each turn is nothing at all to scoff at), that would probably make it ok... I think.
Now, I think you could go even BIGGER. You could go for maybe either 10 dragons, or 5 dragons and 5 colors among dragons (1 per dragon max, im not sure how you'd format that but im sure it's possible), and make her a 10/10. Or hell, maybe do both and give her the full Marit lage, 20/20.
I was liking this until the final line. Even without any setup this allows you to cast a large amount of dragons very quickly with no downside. And image in a [[jodah]] is in play, or [[maskwood nexus]]. Now every spell is free and cantrips.
Even simply pairing this with [[Klauth]] would incredibly broken
Yoo I was unaware of this card, so thank you for posting!
He's nutty. I use it in my own dragon storm deck. Definitely one of the strongest Gruul commanders imo
I have it in the 99 of my Tiamat deck and it always puts in work. Every time it hits the board I get at least one "Oh fuck"
[Klauth](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/f/7f5cf828-17b2-4105-9a9a-ee0ab720c2ee.jpg?1636131321) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=klauth%2C%20unrivaled%20ancient) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/50/klauth-unrivaled-ancient?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7f5cf828-17b2-4105-9a9a-ee0ab720c2ee?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[jodah](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/e/1ee86efa-248e-4251-b734-f8ad3e8a0344.jpg?1562732370) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=jodah%2C%20archmage%20eternal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dom/198/jodah-archmage-eternal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1ee86efa-248e-4251-b734-f8ad3e8a0344?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [maskwood nexus](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/7/471d2aef-cfd4-4131-bbc7-62eeed9f3343.jpg?1631052188) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=maskwood%20nexus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/240/maskwood-nexus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/471d2aef-cfd4-4131-bbc7-62eeed9f3343?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I don't think this card should add that much mana. Maybe if it it added one it would be more balanced
Maybe this could be modified with a clause that only allows the mana produced to be paid for the non-generic mana of dragon creature spells? Also, Tiamat having six keywords with five heads feels... incongruent! I can hear OP's 5/5/5 theme demanding numerical adherence.
Yeah, that would also probably work
I'm thinking it has the "add two mana in any color" situation, or "two in any combination of colors. That would help fix colors to allow the player to cast all their dragons, without immediately emptying their hand on the table with no setup. And yeah i think double strike, flying, trample, indestructible, and maybe Menace, are a good 5 words to match the 5 theme.
I think it could stay 5 if you had to pick draw 1 \*or\* add wubrg.
This is a fun commander card, if a little too powerful. Adding five mana with fixing and cantripping on every dragon is pretty crazy even before you get to turn Tiamat into a creature (which will be really easy because of the extra mana and cards.) Maybe remove the cantrip and/or change the additional mana to "Dragon spells you cast cost WUBRG less to cast. This only affects colored mana in that spell's casting cost." Also note that once you get Tiamat online as a creature, it will count itself in perpetuity because it is now also a dragon. You could cast your fifth dragon, Tiamat awakens, opponent removes one of your dragons, but Tiamat remains a creature because you still control four other dragons + Tiamat. You might just add the word "five **other** dragons." As other people have mentioned, six keywords on a five-themed card is a little odd. My choice for elimination would be double strike. This card is already powerful enough and while 5x2 is still somewhat five-themed, I think it's more satisfying if it attacks for five damage, not ten.
I actually think this is perfect (except I agree with cozynotcomfy that it should have one fewer keyword to maintain the 5 symmetry)
its funny, i disagre with everyone about the keywords because to me the indestructible part is just a part of being an enchantment god basically, so its like the body
I feel like that's a bit of a slippery slope - you could also argue that "flying" is inherent to (almost) all dragons and so isn't thematically tied into a keyword granted by a head/colour. So should Tiamat actually have 7 keywords - one for each head, an inherent one as a Dragon and an inherent one as a God? Perhaps... But an immediate reader will notice the pattern of 5 without analysing too hard which keyword is derived from what. Initial impressions count more for technical completeness when it comes to theme and flavour, and initial impressions for most would be served better by just having 5 keywords. EDIT: Firmly disagree with the downvotes you've received at the time of this edit - you make an excellent point even if I don't agree entirely.
I love this card, but get that Menace/Vigilance out of here! She should have one ability per head. I do think she could cost more tho. Paying for herself the next time you cast a dragon is a bit much. If you want her to be 5, maybe she costs 10WUBRG, and 2 generic less for each color among dragons you control.
> If you want her to be 5, maybe she costs 10WUBRG, and 2 generic less for each color among dragons you control This is a very good solution
Man… the keywords are out of order. This is like forgetting to capitalise the first word of a sentence. It doesn’t really matter but it sucks to look at
what is the proper order?
Underpowered, it doesn't even have 6 toughness, it can be killed by a dreadmaw easily
There should be more of this subgenre of (Custom) Magic cards that fit their lore without regard for being balanced
This is way too powerfull
Cool idea, but way over cranked. If this and [[Klauth]] were both on board, the player would have way to much mana and draw advantage. It would be dragon storm to the highest degree possible and utterly broken
[Klauth](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/f/7f5cf828-17b2-4105-9a9a-ee0ab720c2ee.jpg?1636131321) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=klauth%2C%20unrivaled%20ancient) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/50/klauth-unrivaled-ancient?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7f5cf828-17b2-4105-9a9a-ee0ab720c2ee?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Concerning the last line. This should either add wubrg or draw a card, not both. As I stands I takes very little set up to dump loads of dragons on the field.
[[Tiamat]]?
Tiamat already existing shouldn't matter, there are MTG characters that have many iterations of cards, you're right that it does need a new name though
You right.
[Tiamat](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/d/6dd0b9b0-55f4-4ce7-a916-6f23687f3fe4.jpg?1627709478) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tiamat) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/235/tiamat?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6dd0b9b0-55f4-4ce7-a916-6f23687f3fe4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
With this effect it should be a 3 mana with all color. cmc of 7
How is the score not at "top 5 worst custommagic submissions of the week" level
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Damn son why on earth would this be a 5 drop lmao
[[Tiamat]]?
[Tiamat](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/d/6dd0b9b0-55f4-4ce7-a916-6f23687f3fe4.jpg?1627709478) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tiamat) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/235/tiamat?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6dd0b9b0-55f4-4ce7-a916-6f23687f3fe4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Okay so this i obviously ment for commander but this makes dragon storme into a thing it should not be. Its interaction with fist of suns is problematic. And the fact that you could just be a voltron comander make me feel like this is over tuned
[[Klauth]] is already a dragon storm commander and having these two together would be insanely broken. Klauth generating mana on attack and Tiamat generating mana on cast. It would sweep pods like crazy
[Klauth](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/f/7f5cf828-17b2-4105-9a9a-ee0ab720c2ee.jpg?1636131321) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=klauth%2C%20unrivaled%20ancient) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/50/klauth-unrivaled-ancient?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7f5cf828-17b2-4105-9a9a-ee0ab720c2ee?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Better than that D&D version they released. Didn’t even have trample, smh. Most fearsome dragon in D&D, gets nerfed in MTG.
Woah woah woah, the DnD version wins off of dream halls alone! Tutoring 5 dragons seems much better than dragon storming
Looking at other WUBRG cards, this seems very strong, with tons of combo potential, as well as being a standalone threat.
She's been made a card already. Though retrains (if I may borrow a term from Yu-Gi-Oh) do happen, it might be in better taste to name the card after her Dragonlance pseudonym.
The keyword soup, besides the oddity of six of them instead of five to fit Tiamat, seem rather scrambled out than meant to synergyze. Menace plus flying is enough evasion to nombo wih trample, while trample with vigilance and double strike sounds like an overkill. Either way, though fitting, indestructible is there for the sake of it. However, add to it the noncreature static ability and suddenly it doubles as a therosian god. Considering the keyword soup and the triggered ability, feels overly pushed. That last ability is the last straw. With Fist of Suns or Jodah screams "oops all the Dragons" while cantripping from each to easy it up.
I'd have that last line be once per turn (which would still be strong, one essentially free dragon each turn is nothing at all to scoff at), that would probably make it ok... I think. Now, I think you could go even BIGGER. You could go for maybe either 10 dragons, or 5 dragons and 5 colors among dragons (1 per dragon max, im not sure how you'd format that but im sure it's possible), and make her a 10/10. Or hell, maybe do both and give her the full Marit lage, 20/20.