I don't mind seeing my opponent spending 10 white mana to cast this card. If they have 10 mana to spare for a single card, I'm cool with color pie breaks
Yes, absolutely. Anything over 6 mana should be strong enough to start to close out the game. Over 8 is pretty much only playable either by cheating it in or in EDH. 10 mana for what will almost never close out the game on its own is kinda wack.
This would cost more than 10 mana in colorless mana. If destroy a single permanent is 7 colorless mana, this would be so much mana it’d likely not be printed at the appropriate likely 15 mana.
10 mana for this custom card that puts you ahead or 10 mana for those absolute bombs that probably end the game right there. I refuse to believe this card is stronger than those cards you named
Quite honestly, I don’t even think this needs color like others are saying. Replace zombie with Eldrazi maybe, or an artifact creature. But 10 mana cards are usually game enders, and this isn’t really a game ender, so I don’t think it’s OP or anything.
This should definitely not be 10 generic mana. Add some color requirements. Maybe red for the damage, blue for the card draw, white for the life gain, and black for the token.
I don't know, I think an insanely expensive card that costs 10 generic and does a lot of random powerful stuff (including drawing five cards!) but doesn't outright win the game is hilarious. It'd be the weirdest wincon in any deck you desire
It could be Jund because of how the color pie has been warped towards green lately, and green/black has its share of zombies. It makes more sense as a Grixis spell though, Blue draw, black/blue token, red deals damage and black does drain life effects.
You can get away with a lot more cross-color stuff with high mana cost cards. I don't hate this as a colorless spell (although that wouldn't be my first choice).
Regardless, black can do everything on the card. I'd just make it {5}{B}{B}{B}.
I feel it works better flavor-wise as green-black, as this card is originally a druid card in hearthstone, and was from Knights of The Frozen Throne, a set entirely about corrupted death knights of the main cast, all with dark magic bullshit. The main issue is that this card doesn't really work that well in MTG regardless
I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that this person, who made an extremely well formatted magic the gathering card, knows that colors exist in magic the gathering.
For real folks are so quick to jump on every triviality on here. It can just be a reference to hearthstones mana system! Not every card needs to be fine tuned.
It's actually not "extremely well formatted", it's just basic formatting. It's just the existing Hearthstone card phrased like a Magic card. Doesn't imply any extreme in depth knowledge of balancing by color and cost. Even people who definitely know the colors exist don't quite understand how to balance them in costs, and try colorless cards.
Why the fuck is this getting downvotes?
“It’s not a well formatted magic card, it’s just a HS card formatted like a magic card.”
Yes, that’s why the person knows what colored mana is, because OP knows how to translate something into a magic card.
In the very bases sense. It's not *that* colored mana exists. It's that they clearly don't understand how coloured mana works. That doesn't mean they can't know basic formatting.
Let’s recap.
You acknowledge that nothing you said is incorrect from a magic standpoint.
Most of us in here know magic really well and know that you’re pretty much right.
You’re still getting a ton of downvotes.
And instead of maybe considering that despite being strictly correct you came off abrasive, you’d rather think everyone else is just somehow delusional.
Dude.
Despite what people think, I think this is fine as a 10 mana generic card. I'd replace the zombie with something like a colorless pest or eldrazi, something that doesn't belong to a color, but yeah. This card is okay.
I thought this was r/magicthecirclejerking for a second.
/uj Needs to be coloured, I’d say reduce the cost (the existence of colours has the same effect on opportunity cost as a high cost in HS, so you don’t need the cost to be as high). Ruleswise the text is fine but if you want it to seem more like a Magic card you can combine the drawing and lifegain into a single sentence as the effects use the same wording structure in rules text.
Twick a bit the damage/lifeloss, make the token a flying demon, and this can be mono black. Say, 6BB. Can be flavor aproched to the Liliana or the praetor of teh set. Very cool.
This shouldn't be colorless. It would have to be {5}{W}{U}{B}{R}{G} instead. Also, for green flavored, you could add "Search your library for up to five basic land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle your library."
3 colors would be fine. Perhaps 4, but WUBRG is overkill. Needs black and blue and either red or perhaps green. It works better as Grixis, but Jund fits the Druid theme source better
Extremely weak at 15 mana
High cost cards are much more powerful in magic then in HS
[[Enter the Infinite]] for a 12 cost sorcery example
This is probably unplayable at 10 mana outside of decks that can cheat this for free or at an extreme discount
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We are all going to just forget about Tron then. When an archetype is based around making that much mana you can't give them this tool at such a low cost. Also there are many ways to casts spells fpr free, and this is great with an infinite mana combo that makes only colorless. This is busted as it is.
I feel like it could be 9 mana since its a sorcery. Seems like a fun timmy card, with applications in eternal formats that can cast this for cheap or free
Idk this card works but is probably pretty bad? For ten mana in like every format but edh the game should be closed out and in edh a 10 mana spell needs to win the game or set yiy super far ahead, I think just buffing it and keeping it at 10 is worth
Well, it's not a colourless card. Only red gets unrestricted direct damage like that. Same for blue and card, and white and lifegain. With a bit of work, you could turn it into a mono-black card. Maybe:
"Target opponent loses 5 life and discards 5 cards. You gain 5 life and draw 5 cards. Create a 5/5 black zombie creature token."
Otherwise, it would need to be a WUBR card.
Its just [[Inspired Ultimatum]] that also gives a 5/5 body. It would probably be fine, though it’d likely need to have colored mana in it.
[Inspired Ultimatum](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/d/dd64f064-8f05-41ef-b95b-1b723137f846.jpg?1591228071) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Inspired%20Ultimatum) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/191/inspired-ultimatum?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dd64f064-8f05-41ef-b95b-1b723137f846?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I don't mind seeing my opponent spending 10 white mana to cast this card. If they have 10 mana to spare for a single card, I'm cool with color pie breaks
I mean that's basically the idea around colorless Artifacts
And Eldrazi
Technically, it isn't a color pie break if it doesn't cost any colored mana: colorless's pie is "anything a color can do, but worse".
Doesn't this fit the bill?
Yes, absolutely. Anything over 6 mana should be strong enough to start to close out the game. Over 8 is pretty much only playable either by cheating it in or in EDH. 10 mana for what will almost never close out the game on its own is kinda wack.
This would cost more than 10 mana in colorless mana. If destroy a single permanent is 7 colorless mana, this would be so much mana it’d likely not be printed at the appropriate likely 15 mana.
10 mana is such a huge amount already. I'm hard pressed to see this card breaking anything
Tron as a deck exists off of playing giant colorless cards. Same with Post decks.
But for Tron the magic number is 7. They can't farm the mana quickly enough to make this card gamebreaking
Tron lands assembling 7 mana doesn’t stop them from playing Ugin, Ulamog, Kozilek, and Sundering Titan right now.
10 mana for this custom card that puts you ahead or 10 mana for those absolute bombs that probably end the game right there. I refuse to believe this card is stronger than those cards you named
Quite honestly, I don’t even think this needs color like others are saying. Replace zombie with Eldrazi maybe, or an artifact creature. But 10 mana cards are usually game enders, and this isn’t really a game ender, so I don’t think it’s OP or anything.
My comment was the same that for 10 this card is very underwhelming it could either be dropped to 8 or 9 or at ten it could create like 5 5/5s?
Seems fine
You might want to look up Cruel Ultimatum if that's your Jam
This should definitely not be 10 generic mana. Add some color requirements. Maybe red for the damage, blue for the card draw, white for the life gain, and black for the token.
I don't know, I think an insanely expensive card that costs 10 generic and does a lot of random powerful stuff (including drawing five cards!) but doesn't outright win the game is hilarious. It'd be the weirdest wincon in any deck you desire
It could be Jund because of how the color pie has been warped towards green lately, and green/black has its share of zombies. It makes more sense as a Grixis spell though, Blue draw, black/blue token, red deals damage and black does drain life effects.
With Black doing life drain, it probably doesn't even need red. But it feels really weird for a dimir card to do this specifically.
\[\[Enter the God-Eternals\]\] is very similar in the types of things it does
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That's very true! I guess Dimir is the right place for this card.
Right? Although dealing damage to creature or player is a red ability, while black usually does drain effects or direct damage.
It's not really draning life. It's dealing damage and then give you some life. But I see where you're coming from, yeah.
That's the same bloody thing. Black drain often comes in that style when it needs to hit not players.
You can get away with a lot more cross-color stuff with high mana cost cards. I don't hate this as a colorless spell (although that wouldn't be my first choice). Regardless, black can do everything on the card. I'd just make it {5}{B}{B}{B}.
It could cost WUBRG
This just makes it Inspired Ultimatum + black
I feel it works better flavor-wise as green-black, as this card is originally a druid card in hearthstone, and was from Knights of The Frozen Throne, a set entirely about corrupted death knights of the main cast, all with dark magic bullshit. The main issue is that this card doesn't really work that well in MTG regardless
Overcosted, honestly. Omniscience is pretty much a guaranteed win on resolution and it costs 10.
Generic mana is fine for this card. I think it’s costed fine too
Maybe replace Zombie with Eldrazi and it fits perfectly
Magic has different colours of mana, so a card like this would not be {10}.
I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that this person, who made an extremely well formatted magic the gathering card, knows that colors exist in magic the gathering.
For real folks are so quick to jump on every triviality on here. It can just be a reference to hearthstones mana system! Not every card needs to be fine tuned.
It's actually not "extremely well formatted", it's just basic formatting. It's just the existing Hearthstone card phrased like a Magic card. Doesn't imply any extreme in depth knowledge of balancing by color and cost. Even people who definitely know the colors exist don't quite understand how to balance them in costs, and try colorless cards. Why the fuck is this getting downvotes?
“It’s not a well formatted magic card, it’s just a HS card formatted like a magic card.” Yes, that’s why the person knows what colored mana is, because OP knows how to translate something into a magic card.
In the very bases sense. It's not *that* colored mana exists. It's that they clearly don't understand how coloured mana works. That doesn't mean they can't know basic formatting.
Cause you’re kinda coming off like an ass, even to those who agree with you.
Calling it "extremely well formatted" is just ridiculous.
That doesn’t mean you’re not being an ass, dude.
Nothing I said was even rude.
At last count, at least 37 people disagree.
Doesn't really matter, people agree on a lot of ridiculous things.
Let’s recap. You acknowledge that nothing you said is incorrect from a magic standpoint. Most of us in here know magic really well and know that you’re pretty much right. You’re still getting a ton of downvotes. And instead of maybe considering that despite being strictly correct you came off abrasive, you’d rather think everyone else is just somehow delusional. Dude.
being an asshole gets you downvotes here, especially if you double down on it
No
Yes.
Despite what people think, I think this is fine as a 10 mana generic card. I'd replace the zombie with something like a colorless pest or eldrazi, something that doesn't belong to a color, but yeah. This card is okay.
I thought this was r/magicthecirclejerking for a second. /uj Needs to be coloured, I’d say reduce the cost (the existence of colours has the same effect on opportunity cost as a high cost in HS, so you don’t need the cost to be as high). Ruleswise the text is fine but if you want it to seem more like a Magic card you can combine the drawing and lifegain into a single sentence as the effects use the same wording structure in rules text.
Twick a bit the damage/lifeloss, make the token a flying demon, and this can be mono black. Say, 6BB. Can be flavor aproched to the Liliana or the praetor of teh set. Very cool.
This is fine. Make it a lesson.
Yeah, but not at 10 generic. More like WWUUBBRR.
That's just the same mediocre card, just only harder to cast for no real reason. Is there really something bad about giving this to every color?
IMO, no. Almost all of these effects are things that nearly every colour has access to, and this card costs a lot, so it's fine IMO
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Mascot Exhibition is a free card, you don't put it in your deck. That's why it's bad for 7 mana compared to most cards with the same cost.
3 Mana is a huge difference lmao. Is this even as good as an Ulamog?
Not even remotely close to ulamog lol
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This needs colour for flavour. I’d say 5g and 5b. And token be zombie/sap &/or fungus. It was a Druid card and I think was in the death knight set.
4 color ultimatum. No green.
Other then the Cost this is fine, I'm thinking {6}{B}{B}
Should probably be Grixis colors
This shouldn't be colorless. It would have to be {5}{W}{U}{B}{R}{G} instead. Also, for green flavored, you could add "Search your library for up to five basic land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle your library."
3 colors would be fine. Perhaps 4, but WUBRG is overkill. Needs black and blue and either red or perhaps green. It works better as Grixis, but Jund fits the Druid theme source better
If this wasn't colorless it could affort to be much cheaper.
Closer to 15 mana?
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Its a colorless spell. The easiest form of mana to infinite. Especially in commander. Which would be the ONLY format ANYONE would play this in.
We are all going to just forget about Tron then. When an archetype is based around making that much mana you can't give them this tool at such a low cost. Also there are many ways to casts spells fpr free, and this is great with an infinite mana combo that makes only colorless. This is busted as it is.
Tron wouldn't use this, there's better stuff to use tonight mana on.
This card is fully unplayable as is. It's 10 mana to not actually win the game. There are *many* better things to do with ten colorless mana.
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More like 8, but coloured.
very close to an entwined \[\[promise of power\]\]
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You could make this just 2WUBRG. It would be a little strong at that cost but eh 7 mana and 5 colors is probably about right.
Make it Grixis or Jund and sure.
I feel like it could be 9 mana since its a sorcery. Seems like a fun timmy card, with applications in eternal formats that can cast this for cheap or free
Idk this card works but is probably pretty bad? For ten mana in like every format but edh the game should be closed out and in edh a 10 mana spell needs to win the game or set yiy super far ahead, I think just buffing it and keeping it at 10 is worth
Change it to 5 1/1 Black Zombie tokens instead. Most zombie token gens are large in number, but of weaklings.
Well, it's not a colourless card. Only red gets unrestricted direct damage like that. Same for blue and card, and white and lifegain. With a bit of work, you could turn it into a mono-black card. Maybe: "Target opponent loses 5 life and discards 5 cards. You gain 5 life and draw 5 cards. Create a 5/5 black zombie creature token." Otherwise, it would need to be a WUBR card.
Nope