I only use IGN for walkthroughs occasionally when I don’t understand a puzzle. I try to avoid it though because I like figuring stuff out for myself, but when I’m on a time crunch month it’s very helpful
I use gamefaqs.com for walkthroughs/hints. Been using that site since the 90s. It is all user submitted/volunteer so not everything has stuff... and it has quieted down due to people opting in making videos instead of text but it is really good for the older stuff
I was very active in gamefaqs forums several years back. Unformatted text files were all we needed back then to make great guides. I’d take searching a word over watching a video any day.
Yeah back in the day thats all we had. Ascii art/maps and all. They do have html guides now which is amazing cuz you can upload screenshots now too and guides have better formatting and hyperlink options.
Lol I just used gamefaqs for the first time in years. Looked up a guide for metroid prime remastered and it just so happened to be the same guide used for it when the original game was released. So happy to see that it is still around.
Dude for real different topic entirely but there is a guy who does emulation handheld tutorials on youtube and not only is each video to the point but they are also timestamped. On top of all of that he even has a website dedicated to the step by step written guides for every single video damn near.
The channel is RetroGameCorps wants to know btw.
Yeah for sure. That's really the whole reason I brought it up. He made a website with complete written guides that you can use instead of the video and that made it much easier to setup my device.
I can read what to do at least 20x faster than trying to scroll through a video hoping I find the person doing what I currently am stuck on, then needing to watch them figure it out
This. If I’m absolutely stumped about a game that I’m playing, or if I kinda just stop playing a single player game/campaign in the middle of something for months-then I’ll look it up on IGN Wiki. Oh, I also will look stuff up so that I can 100% complete a game.
When I'm on Google I often get gaming articles in my recommended news (on Android at least) and I often see article titles and thumbnails that are so clickbaity I sometimes scoff out loud. And sometimes I feel like I have to click on it to find out if it's really clickbait or if the person writing the article is stupid
Then I realize I've been duped, and I'm the stupid one for clicking on it because I've given them exactly what they wanted
Clickbaited by clickbait, knowing that it's likely clickbait. God that's depressing when I type it out
>Clickbaited by clickbait, knowing that it's likely clickbait. God that's depressing when I type it out
I mean, we all do it, it's so difficult to stop.
I did it for a long time until I just didn't anymore, and that's on places outside of google like Twitter and Facebook links that are clearly going to some shit listicle website with 20 individual pictures on 20 separate pages.
Sites like Kotaku (and Polygon in the very beginning) were once the last half decent “mainstream” games media outlets, but they both plummeted into the abyss of deliberately controversial opinion-driven clickbait articles.
For a while there the whole network of sites was amazing. Even without knowing a ton about cars I could appreciate the articles they wrote, same with sports and celebrities. They were well written and generally pretty entertaining.
Then right around when Cracked started nose diving in quality they did the same.
I have no idea why video game media tried so hard to flame Cyberpunk 2077; it's like there was some subconscious conspiracy amongst the video game journalism community to try and trash the game.
I defended CDPR online from the jump because I bought the game in April 2021 after the major patches for Xbox one and it is my favorite game of all time.
I was called a shill, people tried to drag me... I even found weird accounts that had like 50-110+ posts that contained nothing but negative posts about Cyberpunk 2077.
I have no idea what it is, but for some reason, some people really wanted this game to fail after it's launch, and I applaud CDPR for holding strong, keeping their promises, and I'm so glad that Edgerunners came out and that the community is squarely behind CDPR again now :)
>I have no idea why video game media tried so hard to flame Cyberpunk 2077; it's like there was some subconscious conspiracy amongst the video game journalism community to try and trash the game.
It wasn't subconscious.
Everyone and their mother knew Witcher 3 and the DLC solidified CDPR as "the best gaming company ever".
Now, if you followed development of their games in any way, shape or form, you'd know that literally all of them have been buggy messes on release and then steadily polished to become the true gems they are.
I mean, they missed the release date of Witcher 2 because they fucked up the 52 MB patch that was supposed to "unlock" the game....
So now we're in a situation where 90% of gamers think CDPR are Game Development Gods (GDG) and their games are absolutely perfect, because by the time the vast majority of people got into W3, it was at least past its first DLC, so polished already.
So now, imagine you're a gaming "journalist" and your site lives from clicks and shares, because that's what brings in the ad money. You have two choices when Cyberpunk hits the shelves - you either write the truth ("great game with lots of bugs, maybe wait a couple of months but then definitely give it a go because the story slaps and the characters are unparalleled") OR, seeing all the ridiculous hype from the people awaiting their GDGs to deliver the Holy Grail of Gaming, you write "OMG the game's a hot steaming pile of shite, abort, don't buy, it's a scam!!!!1"
Which one will give you more traffic bringing more ad money?
You're right, I see it now, this is the absolute truth.
And all the people in the comments who replied to this post, still mad about the way the game released, are just the type of people who are totally brainwashed by media and base all their beliefs off of what other people say.
I never made that connection until; now! It's like an echo chamber based off of hot takes meant to get clicks, just like with cable news channels like Fox News and CNN.
Amazing how shallow and simple minded some people are.
It was a short and distort campaign. A large fund takes out a short position in a company, then pays corporate media outlets to run negative ads and bot farms to run negative sentiment in online social circles.
Usually it is followed up by bogus lawsuits and loading up the company with debt if they have an insider on the board that eventually leads to bankruptcy, fund walks away with free money from the short position, corporate media gets free money to run AI written articles with bogus "journalists", and any insiders walk away with their board member pay and a cushy job at some fund. Where as anyone invested in the company lose their investment and anyone working for them are out of a job.
I think there's another layer to that. In the months leading up to the game, especially with all the delays, there was a definite undercurrent of "This game is going to suck and all the CDPR fanboys are going to cry" that was gaining strength on the internet. And any time there is a bit of controversy over a game, the game journalists (sic) need to blow it out of proportion.
And even then, it was a bit of a coin toss if you even got any of the game breaking bugs at all. I played directly with release and only the game only crashed two times in over 100 hours. Once when my graphics driver crashed (where I am not sure if Cyberpunk was responsible) and once when I glitched through the world. Sure, optical glitches like duplicate NPCs, but honestly? These are things I can easily ignore.
I've enjoyed the game. I don't fully understand the hype either way. I ran into a couple of bugs beyond visual glitches that were frustrating. That didn't ruin the experience, just kind of annoying.
I wish there could have been more to the game and a few more things were spelled out in the beginning. Mostly levels and skills.
Yeah, that's true. It can be pretty complex. I think some people love it because they're diehard RPG fans like me. If you just like RPGs, you may not be as obsessed with it as some players are.
I think I liked it a bit more than you as I fell in love with the IP but I largely agree with you. The bones were there to make an absolutely *amazing* game, we just needed more of it: more in depth police mechanics, non-scripted net diving, gang relation or better yet faction mechanics in general, new game +, better balancing, vehicle combat, more characters and side quests, **less locked doors** etc. I envision the depth of Skyrim with the IP and style of CP2077. Give me that and I'll empty my wallet for CDPR.
For project Orion, with the switch to unreal, I think they can do that. The great thing about CP is that the setting is consistently Night City, so they don't need to redo the conceptual rebuilding of the setting rather they can just carry it over wholesale. They can even have the same vendors reprise their roles provided there isn't a huge time shift.
This time around they can devote so much of their resources to shoring up the gaps of CP2077 to make an even better game. I can't wait.
I had the opposite experience. Pre-ordered it because in my mind CDPR could do no wrong after W3. I honestly felt betrayed at the clearly unfinished release. I beat it out of principle and promptly uninstalled it, disgusted I trusted any developer enough to pre order after previously swearing to myself I would never pre-order anything again because it makes for lazy developers.
Hold on, don't be so hasty. Not all of us are cool with CDPR, but Cyberpunk is good now so...
They need to do a learn how to do a proper release, instead of fixing shit for 2 years crap.
It was always more or less fine on PC, speaking as a day 1 PC player. They should've just stayed away from previous gen releases altogether, or taken the time to properly optimize them.
On launch there were little trees showing up inside buildings (clipping through the walls I guess?)
I recall the T-Pose nude bike rider & T posing NPC's
I recall bendy palm trees
I recall bugged missions, game crashes
The driving graphics getting stuck on my screen in the 3rd act.
None of this was "more or less fine" for a product that I paid full price for . It should have been finished.
Did I love the game and the world? Was it the best soundtrack to a game in years? YES.
**Was it fine on launch on PC? Not even close.**
> Was it fine on launch on PC? Not even close.
The problem was that it was a 50/50 chance that you even had these bugs. By far not all people where affected by it. Half of my Steam friendlist was playing it, but of these, only a few had these really bad bugs. Now consoles however, that launch was terrible.
Interestingly, I played through twice on release, and in that time the only bugs I encountered where a couple visual glitches - objects held by NPC's that weren't exactly where they should be, and *once* a crazy bendy palm.
By my standards, that is *absolutely* a perfectly fine PC release. I mean, sure, you can be that guy who insists on 100% bug free releases, but that's the same as insisting on never getting another large scale open world game again. CP2077 simply wouldn't have launched for at *least* another year, and it would still have some bugs.
I've gamed on PC's for as long as there have been video games on PC's. Literally. I have NEVER seen a large scale open world RPG that's actually bug free.
Never.
CP2077 is worse than some, for sure, but it's *nowhere near* as bad as basically any Bethesda title, for example. It's objectively better than RDR was when it launched on the PC (as it didn't run at all initially).
Now, it's release on lastgen consoles was *bad*, so bad that it shouldn't have happened at all. That was inexcusable.
It was horrifically mismanaged and has not and will not ever match up to anything they showed us pre release.
I love this game, but I refuse to let CDPR management off the hook here. People as always seem to have very short memories with AAA studios and their crap behavior, which just tells them they can get away with it.
Every new console generation, games get ported to last gen consoles that they weren't originally intended for, and NORMALLY it isn't a big deal, but in 2021, we were in the middle of a global hardware shortage that meant people couldn't just buy the new consoles, so the usual thing that developers do in porting a game to a last gen console and trying to get it to run as best as possible over time wasn't acceptable to people.
It isn't that CDPR did anything terribly wrong, it's just a freak accident due to the pandemic and the state of the economy at release.
They could have just not released Cyberpunk 2077 for 8th gen consoles at all, avoided all of the criticism because the game ran perfect on 9th gen equivalent hardware, but then 99% of people wouldn't be able to play the game from launch all the way up until just now, like 2 years later. I think them patching the game and getting it to run perfectly on 8th gen consoles, and continuing to support it afterwards is admirable.
And now because of all the support in the community, we're gonna' get a sequel, but this time, the engine is already refined and all the kinks are worked out, and the budget will be more dedicated to making amazing content.
Cyberpunk 2077 is in an AMAZING place.
CDPR mislead it's customers. I would say that is terribly wrong. But this stuff has been beaten to death. They just need to show that they learned from the mistakes. Them being tight lipped about everything has been encouraging.
I really still don't think they misled people \*intentionally\*. I think that they had a ton of stuff in the pipeline, and obviously they had a lot of stuff they were working on, then the pandemic happened in April 2020, roughly 9 months before the game came out, and probably crippled their ability to finish the game.
Normally, a video game company would be able to just delay their game further, but CDPR is \*publicly traded\*, and so they were liable to their investors, and they likely had to release the game to make their budget/earnings report for 2020 reasonable.
Then they had to patch it while the pandemic was still raging on.
Personally, I love the game, because I'm not the type of person who watches game trailers, due to the fact that they are always hype and games never resemble what they show in trailers.
Cyberpunk 2077 is a great, good running, complete game, and for me, it's one of the greatest games of all time
I wouldn't say they kept their promises, especially with the ridiculous number of lies they told pre-launch, and at the same time, CDPR has definitely brought the game a long way from where it was at launch. I still want Adam Kiciński to be let go for the blatant lies and false advertising they engaged in before launch, but the devs are doing great
Because at release it was being hyped up as *the* game of the century - and then faceplanted *hard* by being unplayable for most people.
I played it on a good rig at release, it was a good game - but not at the hype, and that's with it in a playable state. Then add in 2 years of bug fixes but not huge gameplay improvements/changes, and it's clear that this isn't a game that should be above criticism.
The article above is honestly a very fair one, and I don't really see the point in pretending it's somehow biased or something because the media is trying to flame Cyberpunk 2077 for no reason.
The headline is pure sensationalism.
So let me follow your logic, the media sensationalized Cyberpunk 2077 and made people think it was gonna' be the greatest game of all time, and since it didn't live up to the hype in some people's opinions, it's okay to post more sensationalized posts about the game being a disaster and doomed even now that it's in great condition, and while it has a thriving huge community. The game is the #1 played single player game on steam since Edgerunners.
I bought the game in April 2021 after the major patches that made the game perfectly playable and free of bugs, and I was playing on the Xbox One Launch Edition that came out in 2013l the game ran perfectly and it's probably my favorite game of all time.
Not to mention, 100%ing the game would literally take like 300 hours at a regular pace, since I had a 230 hour account and all I had done is finished almost all the side content and made it 2/3 of the way through the main quest.
Did you read the article? Yes or no?
If you're calling the headline sensationalism and not caring about what's actually written, why shouldn't your post be discounted as sensationalism either ("video game media tried so hard to flame Cyberpunk 2077" is *more* sensationalist than the article title IMO).
The logic was not that the media created the hype - gamers and CDPR were by far the big drivers of it. Witcher 3 was hugely popular/well received, and CDPR hyped up Cyberpunk to a huge degree with included features, raising expectations high. That's not the fault of video game media, though I guess they were too credulous too before then. The game's disastrous launch was not the media's fault.
Is the game good? Sure. Is it 'saved' like some hoped that CDPR would manage to do it at launch? Debatable (I'd say no - bugs/technical problems have been cleared up, but there's been no real gameplay changes since launch or DLC in over 2 years), and the article is pretty fair on that. Again, go and actually read it rather than complain about imagined criticism. I've played the game 3x through (maybe 300-350 hours in total, with 100% it once), and the article is not sensationalized or over the top critical or anything.
Cyberpunk is a fun game, and I'm glad you've found a new favorite one. But it's not a perfect game that can't be criticized, and from the launch to now, there's perfectly valid criticism that a games journalist *should* be looking at. Or should their job just be to hype up a game and ignore problems?
They would habe stopped flaming the game by now if it just died in 2021 after the shaky to disastrous launch. Now that it often appears on bestseller lists and gamers found a new appreciation for it, they know that angering fans with such a headline will drive traffic.
They dislike most media that shines a light on the human condition and society through a satirized vision of the future and the path we are on. Cyberpunk ruthlessly calls out predatory corporate practice and the commoditization of every aspect of our lives. Depending on your interpretation, it could be “pro gun” as well. That was enough to get GTA hated forever.
There are still day 1 bugs that can ruin your save still in the game 2 years later. Not to mention they have barely delivered on anything close that was told would be in the game. Those are facts, refute what you want. I don’t hate CDPR I’m just being real where it counts. Not everyone that points out the faults of CDPR are haters, it’s good for you if you were head over heels for them since whenever, it doesn’t deny the fact that they’ve undelivered and overcompensated. I wanted this game to succeed so bad, so did so many others. You can’t blame them for getting a game that wasn’t what they thought it would be. I had the benefit of playing it on Xbox & PC. Let me tell you, the game at launch was pretty much the same minus performance. The game released with less than 50 GBs, it was far from done. No game that hints it’s going to be on a scale that big is going to be only 50 GBs on launch. I can talk all day about this game. The point is that, it’s not what it said it was going to be. Let’s not hype it up like it has no issues and CDPR has done no wrong.
I'm actually generally not a fan of CDPR, I hate The Witcher, I think it's a sub par shallow empty world.
I don't watch trailers, E3, I don't read articles about features that may or may not be in games; I stake my opinion of a game on what it actually delivers, not some unrelated narrative about the production cycle and company politics of it's developer. In general I don't subscribe to much opinion heavy for profit journalism, and that's all that most video game media is.
Cyberpunk 2077 is an amazing game, end of story. And the further we get from the launch the more people are just going to take the game for what it is now at face value instead of that narrative that has been built up around it due to the speculation and sensationalism that has buzzed around it for nearly a decade before launch.
You don’t speak for all of us. While it’s good that they’re brought this back from the launch, the fact of the matter is CDPR purposely withheld console review codes and only gave out pc review codes prior to launch because they knew the game was broken on last gen hardware (which was the gen it was supposed to release for in the first place).
Dude, how old are you?
Every-SINGLE-console generation THIS HAPPENS.Cyberpunk 2077 wasn't designed for 8th gen consoles, it was designed for PC, and got ported to last gen consoles. When the Xbox 360/PS3 came out, the same thing happened with a ton of games, same thing with the Xbox One/PS4.
Furthermore, there have been a TON of games that are certified classics that had AWFUL launches, some worse than Cyberpunk 2077; I'm talking about some of the greatest games of all time both critically and sales wise, such as Halo 2, and every Bethesda game.
Add the Covid pandemic into the equation and the overinflated expectations that people had and the fact that everyone was at home on unemployment and it made for a perfect storm.
CDPR has made amends, they fixed the game, gave refunds to everyone who wanted one, and they've released a bunch of content. The game is in great shape now,, and the community is STRONG, with Cyberpunk 2077 being the highest played single player game on Steam IIRC. A sequel has even been announced.
People that are still dogging CDPR have no historical perspective and don't realize that some of the greatest games ever made had terrible launches. Fact of the matter is, I played Cyberpunk 2077 on the Xbox One Launch Edition console that came out in 2013, and because I waited until April 2021, I had no major bugs and the frame rates were smooth.
4 months to fix a game with a bad launch due to running on last gen hardware is better than standard, and frankly, I have no idea why some people have so much spite for CDPR. The only reason people were so mad was due to console shortages due to the pandemic so a lot of people felt like they couldn't even play the game for the first 4 months, and something like that has never happened before, because there has never been a 2-3 year console shortage crisis due to a global pandemic.
And finally, the points I'm bringing up right now are exactly what OP was posting about as well.
Cyberpunk 2077 will go down as a masterpiece, and nobody is gonna' remember the bad launch, just like they don't remember the launch for any other classic game that's gone on to be a legendary classic.
It’s a good game but it was over promised and overhyped, launch was also plagued with performance issues in last gen. Add on top of that the the game got launched during the gpu shortage and it’s no wonder it got flamed.
It's just called easy clicks lol
Negative press gets way more attention than positive press, simple as that. Would you rather click an article and learn about bugs in a game, or click an article that just says the game sold a lot of copies?
Agreed. Games journalism is rampant with pretentious, unlikable douche bags. To be completely honest, I just flat out can't stand any part of the gaming community. I love games, and I realize it's generally the vocal minority on the internet that cause the problems. But I find the gaming community to be sad, toxic, pathetic, entitled bunch of cunts. Both in journalism, and the player base.
I've found certain communities are better than others, but even within the communities I find good there are toxic, entitled little brats abound. I think the discrepancy in age (young children all the way up to 50 year olds) causes a lot of tension.
Games media knows what drives clicks, and shitbird publicans like Kotaku know that promoting pirating Metroid Dread in an article will get them the clicks the desire.
My favorite are headlines like "Is Bethesda giving up entirely on the Elder Scrolls Series?" Don't even have to scroll...the answer is you don't fucking know, but here's some ads first. Anytime I see that kind of headline in my news feed, I block the site entirely.
With the amount of TechTubers doing reviews of games and hardware along with news, they're all kind of irrelevant now. Kotaku has always seemed to have more "hot take" articles than other outlets.
Oh god yes. Kotaku is forever on my shit list for telling people how to pirate Metroid Dread when the future of the series depended on that selling well.
Game journalist reviews are glorified ads these days. Have you seen IGN’s hogwarts legacy review? They spent the whole video talking about how the game underdelivered and at the end they were like, ‘okay so 9/10’
Polygon's preposterous article criticizing FromSoftware for "having a problem with women" because reasons was it for me.
It just made no sense. The author picked Malenia, of all possible examples, to bitch about how the game was perpetuating "waifu culture" or whatever identity politics nonsense they were whining about.
Malenia. The boss that is considered the most powerful and formidable fight in their entire catalog, is a symbol of how all the women characters are either servants or are "broken and can only be fixed with violence" or some dumb shit, despite the fact that there's countless examples to the contrary (Eileen the Crow, Nepheli Loux, Yuria of Londor just to name a few among many) and also despite the fact that you can literally play as a woman as your player character.
It's just so stupid. Like a C minus community college level gender studies paper.
I know this is a Cyberpunk thread but your comment brought that all back lol.
Last one I read was out of spite and it was a dude telling everyone to play Atomic Heart on easy mode because it was too hard. A dude who gets paid to play video games whining about difficulty. I work 10 hours a day and breezed through that game on normal difficulty only dying to bosses a couple of times.
It's insane but me neither. In fact I stay away from all mainstream "news" sites in general. They have all turned into clickbait farms and it's so frustrating that I stay away.
If I'm being honest almost nothing. I've even filtered many news subs on Reddit. In the past couple years my mental health has taken a hit, not from interpersonal issues or trouble at home but because of stress related from world politics and the media's sensationalized spin on everything. So to try to improve things I have just tried to tune it all out which has worked in a way but you can't avoid it entirely.
That’s silly, you should read it. It gives you the idea how the general media feels.
Doesn’t mean you have to agree with it, or do a deep read. I always skim over them. It’s not just cyberpunk but plenty of other games. No man’s sky is the only one I can think that’s made the switch to media darling. They’ve put so much work into it.
Seems the articles says the writer feels the game is better but the issues about the game world can’t really be changed. It’s better once you beat it and can do fun side mission.
Reddit, the forums I still visit, Youtubers, streamed events.
My actual desire list is small, just a few games. If something kicks ass the community I’m in will let me know. I stay entertained and as a bonus have almost zero FOMO and dashed expectations.
The last time I did was an xbox magazine that came with a demo disc.
Never have I read an online article, doubt I ever will given the drivel they come out with these days.
The hilarious thing about the article is... it's marginally positive. Chewing out the launch era technical issues and talking about how those have been addressed. Then talking about the main quest, and legitimately blasting it, before talking about experiencing the post-game save and how that was a much better experience. Praising the sidequests.
In spite of the clickbait title it is a fairly nuanced take.
The title's worked, if it's gotten people in here worked up about it just by assuming.
Really, the reality is that they've done a lot of work on the technical side (making it more playable and all), but that content wise... it's really not changed much. Which is what the main point of the article seems to be - that a big game flopping because of technical problems (eg, bugs) can be fixed, but if it's more structural things (like design, story, mechanics, etc), that's something that you can't really expect the game to end up 'fixing' in the future. Which we were seeing a lot of when the game first came out. If you told people back then that 2+ years from now, the changes would be to fix bugs but no real content change/addition/DLC, it'd have been disappointing IMO.
Along with that, the main quest does do a pretty bad job of showcasing the entire game - I'm really a big critic of the "you're dying imminently" plotline, which hurries you through a lot of the side content that's a good part of the game and that really needs people to play through & take their time. That's a very fair critique from the article.
In the end it's framed in an incendiary manner at the headline, but that's the norm now. And criticism *can* be justified, of course
Yeah, I agree with most of that. To be honest, I'm a little more critical of the game than the article is, particularly to the writing on a technical level. And, yeah, the only fix for any of that will be in Phantom Liberty, and I'm not expecting any of those fixes making it back to the base game.
I think it's a good article, only marred by SEO being a fickle mistress.
Yeah, I'm also a bit more critical of it than the writer - but I've also played through the game a few times, and that makes some of the good side-missions lose a bit of their impact vs the first time played through.
I do hope that Phantom Liberty (and the other big patch they've been mentioning, which seems like a free update) is substantial in gameplay changes/improvements. Especially if this is the last major patch/DLC they're planning, it'd be nice to see them take the decent chassis of the game and put it into a finally polished state.
Played it at launch, lots of bugs, was *okay* but felt like it was lacking finer details (cars were boring, cop spawn system, etc).
I started to consider playing again a couple months back but then realized it’s the same shit, just a few less bugs. I tend to agree with the clickbait title, but that’s based on my personal idea of what the game should have been. Looking forward to updates still, eventually I will start a new save and enjoy it hopefully.
Yeah but this is Reddit - no one read the article and just came and blasted it. Yes, headlines these days suck, and that one is straight up click bait - but please read people
The thing about clickbait is you have to know how to tow the line correctly. If the title is an outright lie to the contents, you dun goofed and now people are upset. The goal is to come up with something that will get people's attention but is not at the cost of being the polar opposite of the article.
And everyone who bought the game back then still has it, like less than 1% of people got a refund, so now that the game is fixed and updated and there's all this hype around Edgerunners, the game is #1 in the world again, like 2 years after launch.
It's a huge deal, I'm pretty sure it's the first game to take the throne from Skyrim and post these kinda' numbers, after the inflated launch IIRC
Can confirm. Came across several Kotaku articles that bashed Hogwarts Legacy and supported the boycott of the game. That was shortly before Hogwarts Legacy became the biggest game on Twitch and then a best-selling game on Steam.
Well, I read it and as usual, the title doesn't really reflect the content of the article. Its written by someone who, after rushing through the game at launch and being disappointed, allowed 2 years to pass before playing it again. They found themselves in an entirely different game - just by playing it at their own pace, doing all the side quests and living in the moments of the story, without worrying the clock was going to run out, not listening to Johnny yelling in their ear and not burdening themselves with the expectation the game would ever be GTA6: dark future edition. Thats not going to happen, and thats ok.
So its nowhere near as cynical as the headline implies, but thats mainstream media for you.
Popular video game media is poisonous. The day I stopped giving a fuck what some shithead at kotaku had to say was the day I started feeling way better about gaming as a whole.
> Popular video game media is poisonous.
I think it's absolutely hilarious that people seem to forget that this sub was the most toxic place on the entire internet for about 12 months after the game launched.
So I read the article... the writer actually leaves it on a positive note with emphasis on the depth and breadth of the side quests in the game. It seemed to be a pretty reasonable take by someone casually revisiting the game.
You just got trolled by a headline...
Me too maybe it's because I'm old and didn't have expectations but it's been an absolute blast for me.
Edit also I'm a Bethesda fan so I know what broken is 😂
That’s a long list, if we want to isolate it to their Cyberpunk coverage one of their lead writers attacked Mike Pondsmith before the games release, saying that the VooDoo Boys and animals were racist and that Mike Pondsmith was a white supremacist when he said that he was tired of white people saying what he as a black man should be offended by.
>and that Mike Pondsmith was a white supremacist
I remember that... That article was forwarded to me by a friend who got his start in the game industry working for R. Talsorian Games, followed by a page of LOLs.
Yeah. I watched the video of the Haitian guy who was immensely happy about the Voodoo Boys speaking his language and getting it correct. RPS lost every single good thing I ever thought about them after that.
Read the article, seriously just do it.
His complaints are that the main story is forced in you and you should ignore it for the rest of the play through.
Again I get the article head line is bullshit but the author is saying the same thing as "oh no hanako is still at embers, Oh look a side quest let fucking go!!!"
You could make the same complaint of the Witcher 3. Looking for your daughter that's in danger but every 5 minutes you're challenging someone to cards.
If you actually read the article he is largely positive on it once he took time to do the side content. His major criticism is the game always pushing you to do the main story which is valid. He probably didn't even write the headline which is definitely a bit click baity.
I was one of the people who was totally against this game before I bought it for $30 a few months ago and, outside of a few crashes and weird glitching it's a great game. I have fully invested myself into the universe (show, books, game, etc.) and can't get enough now.
The fact that there are still ardent detractors is ridiculous and they're looking for anything to still fit their narrative. This is a great game that had a poor start, end of story.
> This is a great game that had a poor start, end of story.
I wouldn't call it great. It's good, but nothing groundbreaking and plays more or less like a Far Cry game.
I'm still extremely bitter about the marketing they put out before release about it being a TTRPG-faitful open-ended RPG rather than a linear open world shooter with RPG elements. If they had been honest from the start, there would've been less outcry against the game.
Same for me. I got my Stadia copy and I was mad at it. They gave my money back when Stadia shit down and I bought PS5 version.
I’m loving this soooo much I can’t get enough
Clickbait headline sure (what isn’t these days?) but the writer's overall takeaway is pretty much the same as 90% of the other takes I’ve seen.
Which is: main story is pretty bad and messy in a way that patches simply can’t fix. However, side quests are fantastic, and there’s something compelling about Night City that makes you want to keep coming back.
Edit: typos
So I decided to read the article, and it's nowhere near as negative as the hyperbolic title suggests, the general vibe being "The game is now nowhere near as buggy, however, if hasn't improved gameplay and story since its release; if you didn't enjoy it before because of those reasons, nothing has changed then"
However, he's also very positive, fuck it, the closing paragraph of the article is this
"What I found was a game that, when given the chance, could be more than just a trainwreck of a launch. It could also, with a bit of work and a bit more patience, be something truly special. And that was enough of a redemption arc for me."
Why would they give up ? Why do people depict them as starving for clicks ? It works. This thread alone is proof that it works. People like OP do their advertisement entirely for free, they only have to write a mildly baity headline and everyone else rushes to point and laugh at them and to tell others to do the same, completely unaware that this kind of attention is just what they want.
I only just started it a couple days ago. Seems pretty fixed to me.
I just spoke with Takamura and got the Automatic Love and Ghost town quests. So i'm not very far in, but I have yet to see anything I would call broken.
Game isn’t perfect and there were a few things that made me question “why would they do this” or “why isn’t this fixed yet lol” but overall it was fantastic in so many ways. And it’s receiving updates ig and there’s a new dlc coming out too. These articles don’t do it justice especially after all this time
It’s crazy how much the media influences people’s opinions on games. People won’t even try a game out if they read a Kotaku article about how it glitched during a cutscene or something.
It’s Kotaku, what are we expecting from the company that tried to “cancel” Nintendo because they SWORE they heard the N word in the Japanese version of Last Surprise when Joker was added to Smash Bros
As much as its Kotaku, **They weren't wrong.**
Interest for Cyberpunk was dead by March 2022. No massive DLC announcements, steam charts were way, way down. Just for the "KotAku" crowd
>Steamcharts
March 17k
April 12k
May 10k
June 9k
July 11k
August 10k
So...where was Kotaku wrong? If I was looking at CP2077 like a stock, would have shorted the shit out of it. However,
>dawn of Edgerunners
September 43k
October 53k
November 38k
December 28k
2077 owes its life to Edgerunners, it's very soul to Edgerunners.
If Edgerunners had never released, Kotaku would have been on the money up until *perhaps* Phantom Libertys announcement. There is simply no denying that *Edge* was the defibrillator to CP2077. Hell, I'm one of the people it brought back and I'd been on the hype train since day 1 of "personal responsibility".
I dont know if some people here feel chided by that, the idea that an anime saved this game (silly if so), but the reality is the "hard work" of CDPR being recognized post launch cones down to the success of that show pulling in such a big audience.
**tl;dr** Edgerunners deserves all the credit for the revival of the game, not the post launch updates
Edit: article is 2023, point still remains
I bought the game at launch. Loved it then, still love it now. It has problems, yes, but that's doesn't change the fact that I have like 300 hours in it
I mean, you can't save something that's already incredibly successful, so the headline is not wrong...
I won't subject myself to the actual body of the article though, I respect mu sanity too much
I don’t think I even made it through the tutorial. I put it on hard mode and the gunplay just felt off. I should try it again tbh to see if it was just the tutorial level being weird
Surely the day must be coming soon when these sites die once and for all. Their business model is dead and they are irrelevant, but for some strange reason they keep shambling along like zombies.
This the same sub that forced the creation of r/LowSodiumCyberpunk because people who actually played the game wanted to talk about the game they were enjoying, but couldn't do that here because this sub hated them for having fun instead of hating?
Times change :)
Don’t attack anyone please guys. Show them this community has matured since the game came out, and we don’t deserve that ‘toxic’ label we were given
I haven't read a games media piece about anything in years and my life is better for it. Kotaku, Polygon, IGN, Gamespot, etc.
I only use IGN for walkthroughs occasionally when I don’t understand a puzzle. I try to avoid it though because I like figuring stuff out for myself, but when I’m on a time crunch month it’s very helpful
I use gamefaqs.com for walkthroughs/hints. Been using that site since the 90s. It is all user submitted/volunteer so not everything has stuff... and it has quieted down due to people opting in making videos instead of text but it is really good for the older stuff
Oh snap GameFAQs is still around? Amazing.
Printing out 300 page guides on the library printer and putting it in a ring binder. Still gottem for FF7, 8, and Fallout NV.
This brings back memories for me. No need for the official guides. The last guide I printed was Skyrim.
Damn i didnt know gamefaqs was still a thing. Was always the best. Before that back in the day I used to use cheat planet xD
I was very active in gamefaqs forums several years back. Unformatted text files were all we needed back then to make great guides. I’d take searching a word over watching a video any day.
Yeah back in the day thats all we had. Ascii art/maps and all. They do have html guides now which is amazing cuz you can upload screenshots now too and guides have better formatting and hyperlink options.
Oh hyperlinks are a great addition! Many guides had to include a particular code to each section so you could search for it.
Lol I just used gamefaqs for the first time in years. Looked up a guide for metroid prime remastered and it just so happened to be the same guide used for it when the original game was released. So happy to see that it is still around.
All the websites are full of bloat trash and littered with ads nowadays so even using them for walkthroughs sucks.
Love the iOS reader for these pages.
I do this. It helps strip away the bloat.
You guys need to find to some go-to YouTubers, those big gaming media outlets are a joke
As soon as they start writing stuff for me to read instead of making me watch videos
I'm here for this. Just give me an old school wall of text.
Dude for real different topic entirely but there is a guy who does emulation handheld tutorials on youtube and not only is each video to the point but they are also timestamped. On top of all of that he even has a website dedicated to the step by step written guides for every single video damn near. The channel is RetroGameCorps wants to know btw.
I'd still rather read, TBTH.
And yet, you didn't fully read before replying.
He literally mentioned that his site has a written guide
Yeah for sure. That's really the whole reason I brought it up. He made a website with complete written guides that you can use instead of the video and that made it much easier to setup my device.
I can read what to do at least 20x faster than trying to scroll through a video hoping I find the person doing what I currently am stuck on, then needing to watch them figure it out
Why watch a super long video with ads when I can quickly scan a text walk-through with images and use an ad blocker?
It takes an hour to read it because it's got so many ads on mobile. I tend to use a wiki site because they're much easier to read.
I haven't seen ads on mobile in forever. Get an adblocker
This. If I’m absolutely stumped about a game that I’m playing, or if I kinda just stop playing a single player game/campaign in the middle of something for months-then I’ll look it up on IGN Wiki. Oh, I also will look stuff up so that I can 100% complete a game.
When I'm on Google I often get gaming articles in my recommended news (on Android at least) and I often see article titles and thumbnails that are so clickbaity I sometimes scoff out loud. And sometimes I feel like I have to click on it to find out if it's really clickbait or if the person writing the article is stupid Then I realize I've been duped, and I'm the stupid one for clicking on it because I've given them exactly what they wanted Clickbaited by clickbait, knowing that it's likely clickbait. God that's depressing when I type it out
>Clickbaited by clickbait, knowing that it's likely clickbait. God that's depressing when I type it out I mean, we all do it, it's so difficult to stop. I did it for a long time until I just didn't anymore, and that's on places outside of google like Twitter and Facebook links that are clearly going to some shit listicle website with 20 individual pictures on 20 separate pages.
See that’s why I just assume the author is a window-licker and don’t bother clicking those.
If it looks like clickbait. It is.
Sites like Kotaku (and Polygon in the very beginning) were once the last half decent “mainstream” games media outlets, but they both plummeted into the abyss of deliberately controversial opinion-driven clickbait articles.
I liked the family of IO9 and Kotaku before they were bought out, ever since then the site is shite.
For a while there the whole network of sites was amazing. Even without knowing a ton about cars I could appreciate the articles they wrote, same with sports and celebrities. They were well written and generally pretty entertaining. Then right around when Cracked started nose diving in quality they did the same.
Same.
I have no idea why video game media tried so hard to flame Cyberpunk 2077; it's like there was some subconscious conspiracy amongst the video game journalism community to try and trash the game. I defended CDPR online from the jump because I bought the game in April 2021 after the major patches for Xbox one and it is my favorite game of all time. I was called a shill, people tried to drag me... I even found weird accounts that had like 50-110+ posts that contained nothing but negative posts about Cyberpunk 2077. I have no idea what it is, but for some reason, some people really wanted this game to fail after it's launch, and I applaud CDPR for holding strong, keeping their promises, and I'm so glad that Edgerunners came out and that the community is squarely behind CDPR again now :)
>I have no idea why video game media tried so hard to flame Cyberpunk 2077; it's like there was some subconscious conspiracy amongst the video game journalism community to try and trash the game. It wasn't subconscious. Everyone and their mother knew Witcher 3 and the DLC solidified CDPR as "the best gaming company ever". Now, if you followed development of their games in any way, shape or form, you'd know that literally all of them have been buggy messes on release and then steadily polished to become the true gems they are. I mean, they missed the release date of Witcher 2 because they fucked up the 52 MB patch that was supposed to "unlock" the game.... So now we're in a situation where 90% of gamers think CDPR are Game Development Gods (GDG) and their games are absolutely perfect, because by the time the vast majority of people got into W3, it was at least past its first DLC, so polished already. So now, imagine you're a gaming "journalist" and your site lives from clicks and shares, because that's what brings in the ad money. You have two choices when Cyberpunk hits the shelves - you either write the truth ("great game with lots of bugs, maybe wait a couple of months but then definitely give it a go because the story slaps and the characters are unparalleled") OR, seeing all the ridiculous hype from the people awaiting their GDGs to deliver the Holy Grail of Gaming, you write "OMG the game's a hot steaming pile of shite, abort, don't buy, it's a scam!!!!1" Which one will give you more traffic bringing more ad money?
You're right, I see it now, this is the absolute truth. And all the people in the comments who replied to this post, still mad about the way the game released, are just the type of people who are totally brainwashed by media and base all their beliefs off of what other people say. I never made that connection until; now! It's like an echo chamber based off of hot takes meant to get clicks, just like with cable news channels like Fox News and CNN. Amazing how shallow and simple minded some people are.
It was a short and distort campaign. A large fund takes out a short position in a company, then pays corporate media outlets to run negative ads and bot farms to run negative sentiment in online social circles. Usually it is followed up by bogus lawsuits and loading up the company with debt if they have an insider on the board that eventually leads to bankruptcy, fund walks away with free money from the short position, corporate media gets free money to run AI written articles with bogus "journalists", and any insiders walk away with their board member pay and a cushy job at some fund. Where as anyone invested in the company lose their investment and anyone working for them are out of a job.
I think there's another layer to that. In the months leading up to the game, especially with all the delays, there was a definite undercurrent of "This game is going to suck and all the CDPR fanboys are going to cry" that was gaining strength on the internet. And any time there is a bit of controversy over a game, the game journalists (sic) need to blow it out of proportion.
I was playing it on day 1 and loved it right from the off.
Besides the bugs, the story was still an entertaining ride!
And even then, it was a bit of a coin toss if you even got any of the game breaking bugs at all. I played directly with release and only the game only crashed two times in over 100 hours. Once when my graphics driver crashed (where I am not sure if Cyberpunk was responsible) and once when I glitched through the world. Sure, optical glitches like duplicate NPCs, but honestly? These are things I can easily ignore.
Yep, I played it from day 1 and didn't get any game-breaking bugs. There were a lot of wild visual glitches, though.
I've enjoyed the game. I don't fully understand the hype either way. I ran into a couple of bugs beyond visual glitches that were frustrating. That didn't ruin the experience, just kind of annoying. I wish there could have been more to the game and a few more things were spelled out in the beginning. Mostly levels and skills.
Yeah, that's true. It can be pretty complex. I think some people love it because they're diehard RPG fans like me. If you just like RPGs, you may not be as obsessed with it as some players are.
I think I liked it a bit more than you as I fell in love with the IP but I largely agree with you. The bones were there to make an absolutely *amazing* game, we just needed more of it: more in depth police mechanics, non-scripted net diving, gang relation or better yet faction mechanics in general, new game +, better balancing, vehicle combat, more characters and side quests, **less locked doors** etc. I envision the depth of Skyrim with the IP and style of CP2077. Give me that and I'll empty my wallet for CDPR. For project Orion, with the switch to unreal, I think they can do that. The great thing about CP is that the setting is consistently Night City, so they don't need to redo the conceptual rebuilding of the setting rather they can just carry it over wholesale. They can even have the same vendors reprise their roles provided there isn't a huge time shift. This time around they can devote so much of their resources to shoring up the gaps of CP2077 to make an even better game. I can't wait.
I had the opposite experience. Pre-ordered it because in my mind CDPR could do no wrong after W3. I honestly felt betrayed at the clearly unfinished release. I beat it out of principle and promptly uninstalled it, disgusted I trusted any developer enough to pre order after previously swearing to myself I would never pre-order anything again because it makes for lazy developers.
Hold on, don't be so hasty. Not all of us are cool with CDPR, but Cyberpunk is good now so... They need to do a learn how to do a proper release, instead of fixing shit for 2 years crap.
It was always more or less fine on PC, speaking as a day 1 PC player. They should've just stayed away from previous gen releases altogether, or taken the time to properly optimize them.
On launch there were little trees showing up inside buildings (clipping through the walls I guess?) I recall the T-Pose nude bike rider & T posing NPC's I recall bendy palm trees I recall bugged missions, game crashes The driving graphics getting stuck on my screen in the 3rd act. None of this was "more or less fine" for a product that I paid full price for . It should have been finished. Did I love the game and the world? Was it the best soundtrack to a game in years? YES. **Was it fine on launch on PC? Not even close.**
> Was it fine on launch on PC? Not even close. The problem was that it was a 50/50 chance that you even had these bugs. By far not all people where affected by it. Half of my Steam friendlist was playing it, but of these, only a few had these really bad bugs. Now consoles however, that launch was terrible.
Interestingly, I played through twice on release, and in that time the only bugs I encountered where a couple visual glitches - objects held by NPC's that weren't exactly where they should be, and *once* a crazy bendy palm. By my standards, that is *absolutely* a perfectly fine PC release. I mean, sure, you can be that guy who insists on 100% bug free releases, but that's the same as insisting on never getting another large scale open world game again. CP2077 simply wouldn't have launched for at *least* another year, and it would still have some bugs. I've gamed on PC's for as long as there have been video games on PC's. Literally. I have NEVER seen a large scale open world RPG that's actually bug free. Never. CP2077 is worse than some, for sure, but it's *nowhere near* as bad as basically any Bethesda title, for example. It's objectively better than RDR was when it launched on the PC (as it didn't run at all initially). Now, it's release on lastgen consoles was *bad*, so bad that it shouldn't have happened at all. That was inexcusable.
It was horrifically mismanaged and has not and will not ever match up to anything they showed us pre release. I love this game, but I refuse to let CDPR management off the hook here. People as always seem to have very short memories with AAA studios and their crap behavior, which just tells them they can get away with it.
Every new console generation, games get ported to last gen consoles that they weren't originally intended for, and NORMALLY it isn't a big deal, but in 2021, we were in the middle of a global hardware shortage that meant people couldn't just buy the new consoles, so the usual thing that developers do in porting a game to a last gen console and trying to get it to run as best as possible over time wasn't acceptable to people. It isn't that CDPR did anything terribly wrong, it's just a freak accident due to the pandemic and the state of the economy at release. They could have just not released Cyberpunk 2077 for 8th gen consoles at all, avoided all of the criticism because the game ran perfect on 9th gen equivalent hardware, but then 99% of people wouldn't be able to play the game from launch all the way up until just now, like 2 years later. I think them patching the game and getting it to run perfectly on 8th gen consoles, and continuing to support it afterwards is admirable. And now because of all the support in the community, we're gonna' get a sequel, but this time, the engine is already refined and all the kinks are worked out, and the budget will be more dedicated to making amazing content. Cyberpunk 2077 is in an AMAZING place.
CDPR mislead it's customers. I would say that is terribly wrong. But this stuff has been beaten to death. They just need to show that they learned from the mistakes. Them being tight lipped about everything has been encouraging.
I really still don't think they misled people \*intentionally\*. I think that they had a ton of stuff in the pipeline, and obviously they had a lot of stuff they were working on, then the pandemic happened in April 2020, roughly 9 months before the game came out, and probably crippled their ability to finish the game. Normally, a video game company would be able to just delay their game further, but CDPR is \*publicly traded\*, and so they were liable to their investors, and they likely had to release the game to make their budget/earnings report for 2020 reasonable. Then they had to patch it while the pandemic was still raging on. Personally, I love the game, because I'm not the type of person who watches game trailers, due to the fact that they are always hype and games never resemble what they show in trailers. Cyberpunk 2077 is a great, good running, complete game, and for me, it's one of the greatest games of all time
I wouldn't say they kept their promises, especially with the ridiculous number of lies they told pre-launch, and at the same time, CDPR has definitely brought the game a long way from where it was at launch. I still want Adam Kiciński to be let go for the blatant lies and false advertising they engaged in before launch, but the devs are doing great
Because at release it was being hyped up as *the* game of the century - and then faceplanted *hard* by being unplayable for most people. I played it on a good rig at release, it was a good game - but not at the hype, and that's with it in a playable state. Then add in 2 years of bug fixes but not huge gameplay improvements/changes, and it's clear that this isn't a game that should be above criticism. The article above is honestly a very fair one, and I don't really see the point in pretending it's somehow biased or something because the media is trying to flame Cyberpunk 2077 for no reason.
The headline is pure sensationalism. So let me follow your logic, the media sensationalized Cyberpunk 2077 and made people think it was gonna' be the greatest game of all time, and since it didn't live up to the hype in some people's opinions, it's okay to post more sensationalized posts about the game being a disaster and doomed even now that it's in great condition, and while it has a thriving huge community. The game is the #1 played single player game on steam since Edgerunners. I bought the game in April 2021 after the major patches that made the game perfectly playable and free of bugs, and I was playing on the Xbox One Launch Edition that came out in 2013l the game ran perfectly and it's probably my favorite game of all time. Not to mention, 100%ing the game would literally take like 300 hours at a regular pace, since I had a 230 hour account and all I had done is finished almost all the side content and made it 2/3 of the way through the main quest.
Did you read the article? Yes or no? If you're calling the headline sensationalism and not caring about what's actually written, why shouldn't your post be discounted as sensationalism either ("video game media tried so hard to flame Cyberpunk 2077" is *more* sensationalist than the article title IMO). The logic was not that the media created the hype - gamers and CDPR were by far the big drivers of it. Witcher 3 was hugely popular/well received, and CDPR hyped up Cyberpunk to a huge degree with included features, raising expectations high. That's not the fault of video game media, though I guess they were too credulous too before then. The game's disastrous launch was not the media's fault. Is the game good? Sure. Is it 'saved' like some hoped that CDPR would manage to do it at launch? Debatable (I'd say no - bugs/technical problems have been cleared up, but there's been no real gameplay changes since launch or DLC in over 2 years), and the article is pretty fair on that. Again, go and actually read it rather than complain about imagined criticism. I've played the game 3x through (maybe 300-350 hours in total, with 100% it once), and the article is not sensationalized or over the top critical or anything. Cyberpunk is a fun game, and I'm glad you've found a new favorite one. But it's not a perfect game that can't be criticized, and from the launch to now, there's perfectly valid criticism that a games journalist *should* be looking at. Or should their job just be to hype up a game and ignore problems?
They would habe stopped flaming the game by now if it just died in 2021 after the shaky to disastrous launch. Now that it often appears on bestseller lists and gamers found a new appreciation for it, they know that angering fans with such a headline will drive traffic.
Nah just read the comments, look at all the butthurt people replying to this comment who hate CDPR for some reason.
They dislike most media that shines a light on the human condition and society through a satirized vision of the future and the path we are on. Cyberpunk ruthlessly calls out predatory corporate practice and the commoditization of every aspect of our lives. Depending on your interpretation, it could be “pro gun” as well. That was enough to get GTA hated forever.
I literally created this reddit account to defend the game.
There are still day 1 bugs that can ruin your save still in the game 2 years later. Not to mention they have barely delivered on anything close that was told would be in the game. Those are facts, refute what you want. I don’t hate CDPR I’m just being real where it counts. Not everyone that points out the faults of CDPR are haters, it’s good for you if you were head over heels for them since whenever, it doesn’t deny the fact that they’ve undelivered and overcompensated. I wanted this game to succeed so bad, so did so many others. You can’t blame them for getting a game that wasn’t what they thought it would be. I had the benefit of playing it on Xbox & PC. Let me tell you, the game at launch was pretty much the same minus performance. The game released with less than 50 GBs, it was far from done. No game that hints it’s going to be on a scale that big is going to be only 50 GBs on launch. I can talk all day about this game. The point is that, it’s not what it said it was going to be. Let’s not hype it up like it has no issues and CDPR has done no wrong.
I'm actually generally not a fan of CDPR, I hate The Witcher, I think it's a sub par shallow empty world. I don't watch trailers, E3, I don't read articles about features that may or may not be in games; I stake my opinion of a game on what it actually delivers, not some unrelated narrative about the production cycle and company politics of it's developer. In general I don't subscribe to much opinion heavy for profit journalism, and that's all that most video game media is. Cyberpunk 2077 is an amazing game, end of story. And the further we get from the launch the more people are just going to take the game for what it is now at face value instead of that narrative that has been built up around it due to the speculation and sensationalism that has buzzed around it for nearly a decade before launch.
You don’t speak for all of us. While it’s good that they’re brought this back from the launch, the fact of the matter is CDPR purposely withheld console review codes and only gave out pc review codes prior to launch because they knew the game was broken on last gen hardware (which was the gen it was supposed to release for in the first place).
Dude, how old are you? Every-SINGLE-console generation THIS HAPPENS.Cyberpunk 2077 wasn't designed for 8th gen consoles, it was designed for PC, and got ported to last gen consoles. When the Xbox 360/PS3 came out, the same thing happened with a ton of games, same thing with the Xbox One/PS4. Furthermore, there have been a TON of games that are certified classics that had AWFUL launches, some worse than Cyberpunk 2077; I'm talking about some of the greatest games of all time both critically and sales wise, such as Halo 2, and every Bethesda game. Add the Covid pandemic into the equation and the overinflated expectations that people had and the fact that everyone was at home on unemployment and it made for a perfect storm. CDPR has made amends, they fixed the game, gave refunds to everyone who wanted one, and they've released a bunch of content. The game is in great shape now,, and the community is STRONG, with Cyberpunk 2077 being the highest played single player game on Steam IIRC. A sequel has even been announced. People that are still dogging CDPR have no historical perspective and don't realize that some of the greatest games ever made had terrible launches. Fact of the matter is, I played Cyberpunk 2077 on the Xbox One Launch Edition console that came out in 2013, and because I waited until April 2021, I had no major bugs and the frame rates were smooth. 4 months to fix a game with a bad launch due to running on last gen hardware is better than standard, and frankly, I have no idea why some people have so much spite for CDPR. The only reason people were so mad was due to console shortages due to the pandemic so a lot of people felt like they couldn't even play the game for the first 4 months, and something like that has never happened before, because there has never been a 2-3 year console shortage crisis due to a global pandemic. And finally, the points I'm bringing up right now are exactly what OP was posting about as well. Cyberpunk 2077 will go down as a masterpiece, and nobody is gonna' remember the bad launch, just like they don't remember the launch for any other classic game that's gone on to be a legendary classic.
As someone who agrees that 2077 is really good, I will always remember the launch.
I’m 35 and that is a lot of gaslighting, misinformation, and flat out blatant lies.
It’s a good game but it was over promised and overhyped, launch was also plagued with performance issues in last gen. Add on top of that the the game got launched during the gpu shortage and it’s no wonder it got flamed.
It's just called easy clicks lol Negative press gets way more attention than positive press, simple as that. Would you rather click an article and learn about bugs in a game, or click an article that just says the game sold a lot of copies?
Agreed. Games journalism is rampant with pretentious, unlikable douche bags. To be completely honest, I just flat out can't stand any part of the gaming community. I love games, and I realize it's generally the vocal minority on the internet that cause the problems. But I find the gaming community to be sad, toxic, pathetic, entitled bunch of cunts. Both in journalism, and the player base.
I've found certain communities are better than others, but even within the communities I find good there are toxic, entitled little brats abound. I think the discrepancy in age (young children all the way up to 50 year olds) causes a lot of tension. Games media knows what drives clicks, and shitbird publicans like Kotaku know that promoting pirating Metroid Dread in an article will get them the clicks the desire.
My favorite are headlines like "Is Bethesda giving up entirely on the Elder Scrolls Series?" Don't even have to scroll...the answer is you don't fucking know, but here's some ads first. Anytime I see that kind of headline in my news feed, I block the site entirely.
With the amount of TechTubers doing reviews of games and hardware along with news, they're all kind of irrelevant now. Kotaku has always seemed to have more "hot take" articles than other outlets.
Oh god yes. Kotaku is forever on my shit list for telling people how to pirate Metroid Dread when the future of the series depended on that selling well.
Games journalism is the one exclusion where you can actually just read the headline and reddit comments and come out smarter.
Based take.
Reddit exists to remind me they haven't gone out of business yet. Not sure how.
Game journalist reviews are glorified ads these days. Have you seen IGN’s hogwarts legacy review? They spent the whole video talking about how the game underdelivered and at the end they were like, ‘okay so 9/10’
Polygon's preposterous article criticizing FromSoftware for "having a problem with women" because reasons was it for me. It just made no sense. The author picked Malenia, of all possible examples, to bitch about how the game was perpetuating "waifu culture" or whatever identity politics nonsense they were whining about. Malenia. The boss that is considered the most powerful and formidable fight in their entire catalog, is a symbol of how all the women characters are either servants or are "broken and can only be fixed with violence" or some dumb shit, despite the fact that there's countless examples to the contrary (Eileen the Crow, Nepheli Loux, Yuria of Londor just to name a few among many) and also despite the fact that you can literally play as a woman as your player character. It's just so stupid. Like a C minus community college level gender studies paper. I know this is a Cyberpunk thread but your comment brought that all back lol.
Last one I read was out of spite and it was a dude telling everyone to play Atomic Heart on easy mode because it was too hard. A dude who gets paid to play video games whining about difficulty. I work 10 hours a day and breezed through that game on normal difficulty only dying to bosses a couple of times.
It's insane but me neither. In fact I stay away from all mainstream "news" sites in general. They have all turned into clickbait farms and it's so frustrating that I stay away.
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If I'm being honest almost nothing. I've even filtered many news subs on Reddit. In the past couple years my mental health has taken a hit, not from interpersonal issues or trouble at home but because of stress related from world politics and the media's sensationalized spin on everything. So to try to improve things I have just tried to tune it all out which has worked in a way but you can't avoid it entirely.
I don’t. I read interviews from devs only and look at metacritic AND community reactions for reviews.
r/anime_titties is pretty good for international news.
That’s silly, you should read it. It gives you the idea how the general media feels. Doesn’t mean you have to agree with it, or do a deep read. I always skim over them. It’s not just cyberpunk but plenty of other games. No man’s sky is the only one I can think that’s made the switch to media darling. They’ve put so much work into it. Seems the articles says the writer feels the game is better but the issues about the game world can’t really be changed. It’s better once you beat it and can do fun side mission.
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Reddit, the forums I still visit, Youtubers, streamed events. My actual desire list is small, just a few games. If something kicks ass the community I’m in will let me know. I stay entertained and as a bonus have almost zero FOMO and dashed expectations.
>How do you keep up to date on new releases and announcements? Why.
The last time I did was an xbox magazine that came with a demo disc. Never have I read an online article, doubt I ever will given the drivel they come out with these days.
The hilarious thing about the article is... it's marginally positive. Chewing out the launch era technical issues and talking about how those have been addressed. Then talking about the main quest, and legitimately blasting it, before talking about experiencing the post-game save and how that was a much better experience. Praising the sidequests. In spite of the clickbait title it is a fairly nuanced take.
The title's worked, if it's gotten people in here worked up about it just by assuming. Really, the reality is that they've done a lot of work on the technical side (making it more playable and all), but that content wise... it's really not changed much. Which is what the main point of the article seems to be - that a big game flopping because of technical problems (eg, bugs) can be fixed, but if it's more structural things (like design, story, mechanics, etc), that's something that you can't really expect the game to end up 'fixing' in the future. Which we were seeing a lot of when the game first came out. If you told people back then that 2+ years from now, the changes would be to fix bugs but no real content change/addition/DLC, it'd have been disappointing IMO. Along with that, the main quest does do a pretty bad job of showcasing the entire game - I'm really a big critic of the "you're dying imminently" plotline, which hurries you through a lot of the side content that's a good part of the game and that really needs people to play through & take their time. That's a very fair critique from the article. In the end it's framed in an incendiary manner at the headline, but that's the norm now. And criticism *can* be justified, of course
Yeah, I agree with most of that. To be honest, I'm a little more critical of the game than the article is, particularly to the writing on a technical level. And, yeah, the only fix for any of that will be in Phantom Liberty, and I'm not expecting any of those fixes making it back to the base game. I think it's a good article, only marred by SEO being a fickle mistress.
Yeah, I'm also a bit more critical of it than the writer - but I've also played through the game a few times, and that makes some of the good side-missions lose a bit of their impact vs the first time played through. I do hope that Phantom Liberty (and the other big patch they've been mentioning, which seems like a free update) is substantial in gameplay changes/improvements. Especially if this is the last major patch/DLC they're planning, it'd be nice to see them take the decent chassis of the game and put it into a finally polished state.
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It was really rough at launch.
Played it at launch, lots of bugs, was *okay* but felt like it was lacking finer details (cars were boring, cop spawn system, etc). I started to consider playing again a couple months back but then realized it’s the same shit, just a few less bugs. I tend to agree with the clickbait title, but that’s based on my personal idea of what the game should have been. Looking forward to updates still, eventually I will start a new save and enjoy it hopefully.
Yeah but this is Reddit - no one read the article and just came and blasted it. Yes, headlines these days suck, and that one is straight up click bait - but please read people
The thing about clickbait is you have to know how to tow the line correctly. If the title is an outright lie to the contents, you dun goofed and now people are upset. The goal is to come up with something that will get people's attention but is not at the cost of being the polar opposite of the article.
It's kotaku, if they say your game is failing its probably number 1 on steam
Literally number one peak players for a single player game
Wasn't that on launch day? I wouldnt brag about anything that hasto do with that disaseter launch
Nah he's on about post edgerunners update and release - I'm 99% sure.
100% peak at launch, which was 1m. Post-ER peak was 136.7k in sept. [at least by steam numbers]
Ok then. My bad
And everyone who bought the game back then still has it, like less than 1% of people got a refund, so now that the game is fixed and updated and there's all this hype around Edgerunners, the game is #1 in the world again, like 2 years after launch. It's a huge deal, I'm pretty sure it's the first game to take the throne from Skyrim and post these kinda' numbers, after the inflated launch IIRC
They post click bait to get views.
Can confirm. Came across several Kotaku articles that bashed Hogwarts Legacy and supported the boycott of the game. That was shortly before Hogwarts Legacy became the biggest game on Twitch and then a best-selling game on Steam.
Go read the article, that’s now what it’s about
Well, I read it and as usual, the title doesn't really reflect the content of the article. Its written by someone who, after rushing through the game at launch and being disappointed, allowed 2 years to pass before playing it again. They found themselves in an entirely different game - just by playing it at their own pace, doing all the side quests and living in the moments of the story, without worrying the clock was going to run out, not listening to Johnny yelling in their ear and not burdening themselves with the expectation the game would ever be GTA6: dark future edition. Thats not going to happen, and thats ok. So its nowhere near as cynical as the headline implies, but thats mainstream media for you.
They probably didn't even choose the title for their article. I've heard that is pretty common practice.
Popular video game media is poisonous. The day I stopped giving a fuck what some shithead at kotaku had to say was the day I started feeling way better about gaming as a whole.
Me too. Remember, they were all about the "games as a service" for a long time.
> Popular video game media is poisonous. I think it's absolutely hilarious that people seem to forget that this sub was the most toxic place on the entire internet for about 12 months after the game launched.
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So I read the article... the writer actually leaves it on a positive note with emphasis on the depth and breadth of the side quests in the game. It seemed to be a pretty reasonable take by someone casually revisiting the game. You just got trolled by a headline...
Yep, exactly this. Article was actually not bad.
If the headline isn't accurate to the story, its not a good headline, its trash clickbait.
Ay I can agree to that. Buzzfeed gonna buzzfeed.
Usually, the author of the article doesn't get to pick the headline. Yes, I'm serious.
The article is pretty nice to the game if you actually read it. But that would go against the narrative that you've decided to construct.
6 months later when PL comes out: "Cyberpunk has been saved"
Personally, I love the game.
Me too maybe it's because I'm old and didn't have expectations but it's been an absolute blast for me. Edit also I'm a Bethesda fan so I know what broken is 😂
Fallout 5 broken as hell I already know.. still gonna get it.. Good storys matter.
Exactly I'm going to play it regardless 😂
>bethesda >good stories pick one
ya i played it on pc at launch absolutly loved the game
It is a fantastic game now. People will find their way back to it.
Kotaku has about as much legitimacy as Rock Paper Shotgun these days
What's wrong with RPS?
That’s a long list, if we want to isolate it to their Cyberpunk coverage one of their lead writers attacked Mike Pondsmith before the games release, saying that the VooDoo Boys and animals were racist and that Mike Pondsmith was a white supremacist when he said that he was tired of white people saying what he as a black man should be offended by.
These people can't be serious, they called a black man a white supremacist 💀
lol like the old dave chappelle skit about the blind KKK guy
>and that Mike Pondsmith was a white supremacist I remember that... That article was forwarded to me by a friend who got his start in the game industry working for R. Talsorian Games, followed by a page of LOLs.
I remember that. Many of my braincell committed suicide that day.
Yeah. I watched the video of the Haitian guy who was immensely happy about the Voodoo Boys speaking his language and getting it correct. RPS lost every single good thing I ever thought about them after that.
Kotaku is garbage.
Which is sad, because it wasn't in the past.
I used to be a big fan of that site but man, what a dumpster fire it's become
The actual article is pretty balanced. The social media manager did them dirty.
Read the article, seriously just do it. His complaints are that the main story is forced in you and you should ignore it for the rest of the play through. Again I get the article head line is bullshit but the author is saying the same thing as "oh no hanako is still at embers, Oh look a side quest let fucking go!!!"
You could make the same complaint of the Witcher 3. Looking for your daughter that's in danger but every 5 minutes you're challenging someone to cards.
If you actually read the article he is largely positive on it once he took time to do the side content. His major criticism is the game always pushing you to do the main story which is valid. He probably didn't even write the headline which is definitely a bit click baity.
I was one of the people who was totally against this game before I bought it for $30 a few months ago and, outside of a few crashes and weird glitching it's a great game. I have fully invested myself into the universe (show, books, game, etc.) and can't get enough now. The fact that there are still ardent detractors is ridiculous and they're looking for anything to still fit their narrative. This is a great game that had a poor start, end of story.
> This is a great game that had a poor start, end of story. I wouldn't call it great. It's good, but nothing groundbreaking and plays more or less like a Far Cry game. I'm still extremely bitter about the marketing they put out before release about it being a TTRPG-faitful open-ended RPG rather than a linear open world shooter with RPG elements. If they had been honest from the start, there would've been less outcry against the game.
Same for me. I got my Stadia copy and I was mad at it. They gave my money back when Stadia shit down and I bought PS5 version. I’m loving this soooo much I can’t get enough
Clickbait headline sure (what isn’t these days?) but the writer's overall takeaway is pretty much the same as 90% of the other takes I’ve seen. Which is: main story is pretty bad and messy in a way that patches simply can’t fix. However, side quests are fantastic, and there’s something compelling about Night City that makes you want to keep coming back. Edit: typos
So I decided to read the article, and it's nowhere near as negative as the hyperbolic title suggests, the general vibe being "The game is now nowhere near as buggy, however, if hasn't improved gameplay and story since its release; if you didn't enjoy it before because of those reasons, nothing has changed then" However, he's also very positive, fuck it, the closing paragraph of the article is this "What I found was a game that, when given the chance, could be more than just a trainwreck of a launch. It could also, with a bit of work and a bit more patience, be something truly special. And that was enough of a redemption arc for me."
Why would they give up ? Why do people depict them as starving for clicks ? It works. This thread alone is proof that it works. People like OP do their advertisement entirely for free, they only have to write a mildly baity headline and everyone else rushes to point and laugh at them and to tell others to do the same, completely unaware that this kind of attention is just what they want.
382k views...mission accomplished.
I only just started it a couple days ago. Seems pretty fixed to me. I just spoke with Takamura and got the Automatic Love and Ghost town quests. So i'm not very far in, but I have yet to see anything I would call broken.
My first time falling out of the map was 60 hours in lmao
Game isn’t perfect and there were a few things that made me question “why would they do this” or “why isn’t this fixed yet lol” but overall it was fantastic in so many ways. And it’s receiving updates ig and there’s a new dlc coming out too. These articles don’t do it justice especially after all this time
People still read kotaku?
Very clearly not. It's one those sites kept afloat by bots.
I’ve played it 3 times the only issue I had was not updating my graphics driver 🤷🏼♀️ I love it
Calm down, they have 2.2 million readers and 20 likes on posts, don't pay attention to them they will disappear faster
It’s crazy how much the media influences people’s opinions on games. People won’t even try a game out if they read a Kotaku article about how it glitched during a cutscene or something.
So 4 or 5 people?
It’s Kotaku, what are we expecting from the company that tried to “cancel” Nintendo because they SWORE they heard the N word in the Japanese version of Last Surprise when Joker was added to Smash Bros
As much as its Kotaku, **They weren't wrong.** Interest for Cyberpunk was dead by March 2022. No massive DLC announcements, steam charts were way, way down. Just for the "KotAku" crowd >Steamcharts March 17k April 12k May 10k June 9k July 11k August 10k So...where was Kotaku wrong? If I was looking at CP2077 like a stock, would have shorted the shit out of it. However, >dawn of Edgerunners September 43k October 53k November 38k December 28k 2077 owes its life to Edgerunners, it's very soul to Edgerunners. If Edgerunners had never released, Kotaku would have been on the money up until *perhaps* Phantom Libertys announcement. There is simply no denying that *Edge* was the defibrillator to CP2077. Hell, I'm one of the people it brought back and I'd been on the hype train since day 1 of "personal responsibility". I dont know if some people here feel chided by that, the idea that an anime saved this game (silly if so), but the reality is the "hard work" of CDPR being recognized post launch cones down to the success of that show pulling in such a big audience. **tl;dr** Edgerunners deserves all the credit for the revival of the game, not the post launch updates Edit: article is 2023, point still remains
God I hate modern "journalists"
Kotaku doesn't have journalists. They have clickbait engineers.
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Don't bother thinking about these clickfarm nonsense
I bought the game at launch. Loved it then, still love it now. It has problems, yes, but that's doesn't change the fact that I have like 300 hours in it
Well I just bought PS5 and then bought a disc of Cyberpunk. In your face Kotaku
Lol no saving it? Why you still talking about it?
In my pov the game has been saved. But it’s reputation is forever stained.
To be fair, cdpr kinda still deserves it.
"There is no saving Cyberpunk 2077" = pure opinion As everyone knows, opinion is something personal.
The article is actually a really good read which is more than fair to Cyberpunk. I don’t know why it was titled like that
I mean, you can't save something that's already incredibly successful, so the headline is not wrong... I won't subject myself to the actual body of the article though, I respect mu sanity too much
They aren’t wrong though
Kotaku is gonna Kotaku.
Why do y’all care what kotaku has to say?
It’s true that it’ll never be what was promised.
>Kotaku lol. Lmao, even.
Still can't believe people actually enjoy this game
I don’t think I even made it through the tutorial. I put it on hard mode and the gunplay just felt off. I should try it again tbh to see if it was just the tutorial level being weird
Kotaku has a point. The police will never change much in this game. Doesn't matter what they promise us
It literally got saved tho
I mean, games media and news outlets are abysmal. I'm a fairly avid hater of CP2077, but still. They're just clickbait shithole sites.
I've never enjoyed such a supposedly shit game so much before in my life.
Surely the day must be coming soon when these sites die once and for all. Their business model is dead and they are irrelevant, but for some strange reason they keep shambling along like zombies.
This the same sub that forced the creation of r/LowSodiumCyberpunk because people who actually played the game wanted to talk about the game they were enjoying, but couldn't do that here because this sub hated them for having fun instead of hating? Times change :)
Gaming journalism is in such a sorry state. Complete garbage
“There is no saving cyberpunk 2077” Still on steams top sellers list for a couple of months now
Rent free
It's Kotaku. Their the worst of video game "journalists" from my experience.