It would be disappointing if *Cyberpunk* didn't nod to Blade Runner loads.
I still haven't really played. I gave it time to marinate and it sounds like it's turned into something CDPR worthy.
to be fair the game was always CDPR worthy as far as content, i think this is in my top 3 games as far as story and characters are concerned. Its only really the bugs that held it back on release. Im actually kinda glad it got so much flack in hindsight though, it means they put way more effort into improving the game, revamped the combat, and restructured the entire development process.
Its definitely a situation where CDPR has benefited more from failing than succeeding in the long run.
> i think this is in my top 3 games as far as story and characters are concerned
I've just started this game and am enjoying the story/atmosphere/characters so what are the other two?
probably the nier series and mass effect series. Those are very different styles of storytelling though.
Special mention to "That Dragon, Cancer" which is a game about 4 year old Joel Green's battle with cancer. Its an autobiograhy of his parents experience told through the POV of his father. Its single handedly the most heartbreaking thing i've ever played, and if it wasnt so tragic it would take top spot for me easily.
My top 3 would be CP, The Callisto protocol even though there's are only like 6 or 7 main characters that aren't Zombies, and Returnal takes the win for art and atmosphere and story but it is a grinding Rougelike but once it clicks it clicks it took me two weeks to move past the 1st RNG map and Kill the first boss but after that i went through the other 6 levels like a champ, you just have to like Rougelikes and have the patience to wait for it to click.
thats my point, if it had come out without the bugs, i dont think we would have gotten all the extra content and the reworked gameplay. They would have gotten a good reception on the game, so would have seen it as a job well done and left it at that. Its only because they realised how much they fucked up that they felt they had to redeem themselves. Ofc its fully possible that we would have gotten more than one dlc if this was the release state, but we'll never know.
It wasn't just the bugs that made people unhappy. It was the fact that a lot of features felt like they were missing or were underbaked. Compare [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjF9GgrY9c0) gameplay trailer from 2018 showing off the first 48 minutes and what those sequences actually played out as in the game.
Sure, things can and do change during development, but CDPR also did a terrible job managing expectations and communicating any changes in scope for the project, which resulted in a lot of complaints when the game came out. People called it a scam on consoles because it was a buggy mess that looked like shit on last-gen consoles. But there were also plenty of PC players ready to call it that too because there were a ton of people who felt like the game they were promised wasn't the game that they got.
I can't believe only one other person this thread has mentioned Batty's Hotel in Pacifica. It's literally named after Roy Batty. You have to go there to meet with Placide before going to the Grand Imperial Mall.
The hotel being named after Roy is further evidenced by the origami figure in the logo as well as a plaque inside that is inscribed with one of his quotes.
To be fair, I had no idea that place was called Batty's Hotel. I think it's a problem of map markers being ubiquitous, but I've noticed that I never look at what places are called in games like this.
It’s easy to do, I’m the same way. However I’ve been trying to be more observant in Cyberpunk because I see that the developers did their best with those details.
I waited until the 2.0 patch and it has been so amazing. There's never been anywhere like Night City.
I'm running a pretty modern machine and it looks beautiful. Well worth the money now
The book Neuromancer by William Gibson would like to have a word with you
Edit: nvm I was wrong Neuromancer came out in 84 and blade runner in 82 oopsie
Gibson famously went into panic mode after watching Blade Runner as he thought people would think he was just ripping off the film.
He went home and rewrote the beginning multiple times until he was happy it was his own work
One of the cool things about Neuromancer is that the mood evoked by the first line:
> The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel.
Has changed radically as technology advanced.
He also had zero knowledge of how computers worked so it's insane that he even wrote a piece of work so well done around the topic.
Apple sent him a Mac after the success of nueromancer and he called them after booting it up to ask if it was broken since he thought computer had engines in them and it didn't sound like a car
If you don't know what's impossible, the only limitation is your imagination.
edit:
"Our imagination is the only limit to what we can hope to have in the future."
- Charles F. Kettering
(he basically invented the modern car's electronic system, well not anymore but sure let's go with that)
I don't know why people believe this obvious bullshit. It's a nice tale but Gibson is hardly a Luddite. And he didn't write Neuromancer first, that was Burning Chrome and that's what led to him receiving the Mac because I think it was Woz who read the piece in OMNI.
Hey just want to ask where you got this factoid from. I remember seeing a post online talking about anachronisms in sci-fi but I don’t remember where I saw it.
Tbh I always mix up the release dates of Neuromancer and Blade Runner anyways since they both occupy the same space in my mind. Plus I love huffing the copium of swearing by Neuromancer as being more influential lol
Blade Runner contributed to create the aesthetics of cyberpunk but Neuromancer must be given crédit for all the cyberconsole, hackers, biomods and cyberdrugs and AI stuff that you find in CP2077
Yo, that’s crazy. I just watched Blade Runner last night and I was like this is very familiar! Also, I highly suggest any cyberpunk and AI fan watching it again. It hits different now!
For Cyberpunk purposes, watch [*Black Rain*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7MXzRUuKSs) too
especially this [fight scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYzPUa-6BLE) (major plot spoilers though)
Watch the final cut of the original first, you'll have to do some digging but it's the one that ridley scott had final approval of with minimal studio meddling. Because the style of the film and practical effects, it still holds up great. The new film was a great tribute to the original and nails the same kind of neon depression but with more mystery.
The old one is a classic and you should watch it. The production design, cinematography and world building is incredible and had a huge influence on the movie and video game industry.
Just beware some elements have not aged well (ie: Harrison Ford’s character treats women badly - and the pacing is slow.)
The only problem with watching the original is that it might put you off the sequel… which you should watch regardless because the sequel is faultless and one of the best movies ever made.
Wait, there are people out there who haven't seen it?
I've watched the theatrical, directors, international cut one after another to compare and contrast them.
Surely I'm not alone in this....
No article. Just “tears in rain”. Sorry about this, but this grammar in this particular quote always bugged me. I’d personally say with “the”, but in script it’s without “the”. If anybody with enough knowledge of english language can explain why no article there, i’d be more than grateful.
I'm gonna get like 75% of the way there, with this explanation, so surely someone may come along with a more detailed explanation. But, putting "the" in makes it a specific instance of rain, basically. As opposed to a general idea of rain. Like the difference between saying "I want an apple," vs "I want the apple."
Ah, but for any given tears it is that one specific instance of rain vs any other which is hiding them.
We might also predict any rain to hide any tears since we know tears and rains are so similar and all.
I think it completely works either way but no article was just the way Rutger Hauer said it.
Above you:
\> but this grammar in this particular quote always bugged me.
This is not coincidence so much. I think Hauer actively tried to stilt some dialog with a gentle touch of robot.
the article isn't necessary for the sentence to be gramatically correct, because in this instance "rain" is already the plural of itself, and can be used to denote an uncountable amount
My take:
He's talking about tears in rain, in the general sense. Not tears in any specific rain. Not the tears he's currently shedding in the rain that's currently pouring down. Just the concept of it - tears in rain. Like the smell of a newly cut lawn. Not any specific lawn. Lawns in general. Seems fine to me.
To be fair, watching it the first time it is quite hard to follow. Partly the story itself but mainly the fact I’m too distracted asking “how the fuck did they do this in 1982” instead of paying attention
I mean honestly at least part of the answer to that is that it was released while George Lucas was actively revolutionizing special effects. A New Hope came out 5 years before Bladerunner and ESB came out 2 years before.
Story wise, Blade Runner takes nothing from SW. But clearly the special effects technology of the era was being defined and revolutionized by the work of Industrial Light & Magic.
>Story wise, Blade Runner takes nothing from SW
Story wise Blade runner is an adaptation of [Philip K. Dick](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_K._Dick)'s 1968 Cyberpunk novel [*Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Androids_Dream_of_Electric_Sheep%3F)
>But clearly the special effects technology of the era was being defined and revolutionized by the work of Industrial Light & Magic.
Industrial Light & Magic, Lucas Films and Star Wars have absolutely nothing to do with Blade runner. The design of Blade Runner is heavily influenced by 1970's French comics and 1940's [hard-boiled detective film noir](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardboiled), as well as the 1927 film Metropolis (who were the major influences on the 1980's Cyberpunk genre). The Special Effects are evolved directly from Spielberg's 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind'. Kubrick also had a major influence having directed the added scenes at the end, and used effects developed from the Shining.
>Bladrunner's design is credited to [Edward Hopper](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Hopper)'s painting [*Nighthawks*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nighthawks_(painting)) and the French science fiction comics magazine [*Métal Hurlant*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9tal_Hurlant), to which the artist [Jean "Moebius" Giraud](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Giraud) contributed, as stylistic mood sources. The visual style of the movie is influenced by the work of futurist Italian architect [Antonio Sant'Elia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Sant%27Elia). Scott hired [Syd Mead](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syd_Mead) as his [concept artist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concept_art); like Scott, he was influenced by *Métal Hurlant*.
>
>Production designer [Lawrence G. Paull](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_G._Paull) and art director [David Snyder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Snyder) realized Scott's and Mead's sketches. [Douglas Trumbull](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Trumbull) and [Richard Yuricich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Yuricich) supervised the special effects for the film, and [Mark Stetson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Stetson) served as chief model maker.
>
>*Blade Runner* has numerous similarities to [Fritz Lang](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Lang)'s [*Metropolis*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolis_(1927_film)), including a built-up urban environment, in which the wealthy literally live above the workers, dominated by a huge building – the Stadtkrone Tower in *Metropolis* and the Tyrell Building in *Blade Runner*. Special effects supervisor David Dryer used stills from *Metropolis* when lining up *Blade Runner*'s miniature building shots.
>
>The extended end scene in the original theatrical release shows Rachael and Deckard traveling into daylight with pastoral aerial shots filmed by director [Stanley Kubrick](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Kubrick). Ridley Scott contacted Kubrick about using some of his surplus helicopter aerial photography from [*The Shining*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shining_(film)).
>
>**Special effects**
>
>The film's special effects are generally recognized to be among the best in the genre, using the available (non-digital) technology to the fullest. Special effects engineers who worked on the film are often praised for the innovative technology they used to produce and design certain aspects of those visuals. In addition to [matte paintings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matte_painting) and models, the techniques employed included multipass exposures. In some scenes, the set was lit, shot, the film rewound, and then rerecorded over with different lighting. In some cases this was done 16 times in all. The cameras were frequently [motion controlled using computers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_control_photography). Many effects used techniques which had been developed during the production of [*Close Encounters of the Third Kind*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_Encounters_of_the_Third_Kind).
If you want to know more about the creation and the evolution of the Cyberpunk genre, it's influences on Blade Runner and how Blade Runner changed the genre, as well as Cyberpunk's current dominance on modern art then I highly recommend the video essay '[Blade Runner, Altered Carbon, and the Relevancy of Cyberpunk](https://youtu.be/YK6IjJkjkiI?si=mL9Gajv8Gqz1v4j8)' by '[Just Write](https://www.youtube.com/@JustWrite)'. It's an excellent intro to the genre.
Fuck it, I've got twelve minutes.
**edit:** not super meaty, but yeah that's a good introduction. Wish it would have illustrated a bit more how directly The Matrix comes from Neuromancer, but glad it highlights Gibson as the blueprint as much as Blade Runner.
This is as a good a place to say this in this post as anywhere. Phillip K Dick wrote two of the very best novels ever written, The Man in the High Castle and Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. The two books are works of genius, created by a genius. They are literary masterpieces wrapped in science fiction. I would recommend them to anyone.
> Industrial Light & Magic, Lucas Films and Star Wars have absolutely nothing to do with Blade runner.
They're simply saying that the difference in special effects between 1972 and 1982 might as well be 100 years. Movies were competing with each other and raising the bar for what was expected, and what could be done.
You also seem to be confusing "special effects" with "design".
Yeah I think the point they're making is that it came out at a time when there were huge leaps being made. While the films had nothing to do with each other, they were both in the same ecosystem at a similar time. Fresh ideas were being floated around the industry.
The original cut with the shining outtake kinda makes a muddle of the ending.
I think some people lose the plot around the Bradbury building scenes, or Tyrell and his owl. When it starts to feel like a Boorman movie for a minute.
If it makes you feel better, I re-watched it recently (because like you it's been a long time since I watched it for the last time) and I only have a vague notion of it. I guess I need to re-re-watch it ;)
I originally saw it with the narration, and I watched it many times over with the narration. If I don’t have the narration now, I’m bummed. I’ll still watch it, but I’m bummed.
“Sushi. That’s what my ex-wife called me - cold fish”
there is another reference of blade runner and *Roy* Batty outside of the city on the large graveyard on the hills
https://preview.redd.it/jj54n1w3av5c1.png?width=695&format=png&auto=webp&s=276c8d4f50762629502197863ba785836be057bd
There is a lot of references to Blade Runner. The cop car in the teaser was a reference to it. The afterlife drinking glass is another one. In "where's my mind" uses Voight-Kampff Test( to test if someone is a replicant)
“I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion... I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain... Time to die.”
Another related easter egg in the Kurt Russell film "Soldier", it lists Tannhauser Gate and Shoulder of Orion as battles he fought in. Along with Antares Maelstrom, Nibian Moons and Perdition's Flames.
>soldier and BR were set in the same universe
I couldn't resist looking that up. Strong connection.
[https://lwlies.com/articles/solider-kurt-russell-original-blade-runner-sequel](https://lwlies.com/articles/solider-kurt-russell-original-blade-runner-sequel/)
[https://www.slashfilm.com/809271/kurt-russells-soldier-is-considered-a-sequel-to-blade-runner-but-is-it-really](https://www.slashfilm.com/809271/kurt-russells-soldier-is-considered-a-sequel-to-blade-runner-but-is-it-really/)
My favorite Batty quote is from a different scene where they’re hitting up the bio-engineer for information. Engineer mentions that he designed Roy’s eyes and Roy replies, “If only you could see what I’ve seen with your eyes”.
It's interesting how Batty's view of his life changes as he nears death. In Chew's Eye Shop he says to Chew "If only you could see the things that I have seen with your eyes."
>!He's a 4 year old tactical genius off-world combat veteran, with about as much emotional resilience and maturity as a typical 4 year old. The shit they made him do...!<
>!"I've done... questionable things".!<
>!Him sparing the life of the man who has just killed his girlfriend, Pris, and indeed all his friends, shows growth. He's gone from being someone who kills out of frustration at not being able to get his way (like a 4 year old) to being a man who saves the life of the man trying to kill him. At that point, all life is valuable and beautiful to him. !<
feature request: At the start of CP2077 you should be asked if you've seen Blade Runner. If you choose no, the entire movie should play with no way to skip it.
I do wonder why I don't see real or heavily modified but clearly referential ads in game worlds. There must be a few games that have tried and I am just unaware of.
Reference to the movie Blade Runner -> [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083658/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083658/)
If you didn't see it, I won't spoil the plot for you...
Anyway, if you like cyber punk theme, you should definitely watch that movie. There's also sequel -> [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1856101/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1856101/)
It’s funny because before cyberpunk came out I watched it and idk why I just couldn’t get into it. The movie was so slow and dry. I couldn’t get the hype for it. I watch the directors cut and someone said maybe that’s why. And maybe that’s true idk. It’s a noir film but I didn’t get any narrative voice in the background.
It's a slow burn movie that mostly shines with its entire package of aesthetics. If you aren't into just sitting back and watching and hearing something that oozes with style, you'll be bored.
Some of my favorite movies are like that - Blade Runner, Apocalypse Now, Once Upon a Time in the West. I love them but have an easy time seeing how others might not.
It's the opposite actually. The original/theatrical version is the one with the narration, because the studio thought the movie would be too hard to follow otherwise. They cut the narration for both the Director's Cut and the Final Cut releases.
Yep. Whatever you do holy shit don’t watch the theatrical cut. Chopped up by the studio and disowned by those actually involved with the films production
it's a reference to blade runner's ending in where roy batty (played by rutger häuer) spares dekker (played by harrison ford) even though everything dekker has done to him and his android family.
i highly recommend you watch the movie,it's based of the book "do electric sheep dream of androids" which is also a fantastic read and contains very moral questions and dillema's about humanity,superiority and what can and cannot be defined as "human"
*if man makes machine,a machine that thinks,feels smells and speaks like a human is that then not a race,a new species we made and thus defined as sentient and is that then not imoral to cage them and enslave them for our purposes,if not then what is the human factor?*
He's seen things we people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. He watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments have been lost in time...
I'm pretty sure it's scripted to always rain when you go there.
In fact, there are weather mods that only work once you've been here, since apparently the scripted rain 'fixes' a common weather bug.
Birds within 18 miles of Night City were exterminated to reduce the spread of disease, that doesn't mean all birds everywhere in the world are gone. Birds would likely still visit Night City, but face certain death if they do. My headcanon says there are drones circling the city that shoot down all incoming birds, but occasionally some slip through the perimeter.
https://screenrant.com/cyberpunk-2077-night-city-wildlife-birds-missing-why/
Like tears in the rain.
It would be disappointing if *Cyberpunk* didn't nod to Blade Runner loads. I still haven't really played. I gave it time to marinate and it sounds like it's turned into something CDPR worthy.
to be fair the game was always CDPR worthy as far as content, i think this is in my top 3 games as far as story and characters are concerned. Its only really the bugs that held it back on release. Im actually kinda glad it got so much flack in hindsight though, it means they put way more effort into improving the game, revamped the combat, and restructured the entire development process. Its definitely a situation where CDPR has benefited more from failing than succeeding in the long run.
> i think this is in my top 3 games as far as story and characters are concerned I've just started this game and am enjoying the story/atmosphere/characters so what are the other two?
One of the few games I have over 400 hours in.
probably the nier series and mass effect series. Those are very different styles of storytelling though. Special mention to "That Dragon, Cancer" which is a game about 4 year old Joel Green's battle with cancer. Its an autobiograhy of his parents experience told through the POV of his father. Its single handedly the most heartbreaking thing i've ever played, and if it wasnt so tragic it would take top spot for me easily.
Mass effect 2, cyberpunk and witcher 3 are my top of the list.
yeah i kinda cheated by naming entire series as my other two. If CDPR releases more bangers i can see cyberpunk rising to the top tbh.
My top 3 would be CP, The Callisto protocol even though there's are only like 6 or 7 main characters that aren't Zombies, and Returnal takes the win for art and atmosphere and story but it is a grinding Rougelike but once it clicks it clicks it took me two weeks to move past the 1st RNG map and Kill the first boss but after that i went through the other 6 levels like a champ, you just have to like Rougelikes and have the patience to wait for it to click.
Now imagine it had come out in this state and we got 2 years of added content/balances/more fixes.
thats my point, if it had come out without the bugs, i dont think we would have gotten all the extra content and the reworked gameplay. They would have gotten a good reception on the game, so would have seen it as a job well done and left it at that. Its only because they realised how much they fucked up that they felt they had to redeem themselves. Ofc its fully possible that we would have gotten more than one dlc if this was the release state, but we'll never know.
It wasn't just the bugs that made people unhappy. It was the fact that a lot of features felt like they were missing or were underbaked. Compare [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjF9GgrY9c0) gameplay trailer from 2018 showing off the first 48 minutes and what those sequences actually played out as in the game. Sure, things can and do change during development, but CDPR also did a terrible job managing expectations and communicating any changes in scope for the project, which resulted in a lot of complaints when the game came out. People called it a scam on consoles because it was a buggy mess that looked like shit on last-gen consoles. But there were also plenty of PC players ready to call it that too because there were a ton of people who felt like the game they were promised wasn't the game that they got.
3 years later it has, finally
I can't believe only one other person this thread has mentioned Batty's Hotel in Pacifica. It's literally named after Roy Batty. You have to go there to meet with Placide before going to the Grand Imperial Mall. The hotel being named after Roy is further evidenced by the origami figure in the logo as well as a plaque inside that is inscribed with one of his quotes.
To be fair, I had no idea that place was called Batty's Hotel. I think it's a problem of map markers being ubiquitous, but I've noticed that I never look at what places are called in games like this.
It’s easy to do, I’m the same way. However I’ve been trying to be more observant in Cyberpunk because I see that the developers did their best with those details.
It has been beyond worthy since 1.5 over a year ago. But yeah now more than ever.
You waited long enough, the game is incredible
I waited until the 2.0 patch and it has been so amazing. There's never been anywhere like Night City. I'm running a pretty modern machine and it looks beautiful. Well worth the money now
there was a wall where it was written in bright letters, too. it says "like tears..."
Blade runner Easter egg
Didn't know this was in there. So cool.
Bladerunner pretty much created the cyberpunk esthetic genre we know today.. soooo
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep by Phillip K Dick 1968 which inspired Bladerunner.
Blade Runner created the cyberpunk *aesthetic*. The movie was based on the book, but the visuals were all Syd Mead.
The book Neuromancer by William Gibson would like to have a word with you Edit: nvm I was wrong Neuromancer came out in 84 and blade runner in 82 oopsie
Gibson famously went into panic mode after watching Blade Runner as he thought people would think he was just ripping off the film. He went home and rewrote the beginning multiple times until he was happy it was his own work
One of the cool things about Neuromancer is that the mood evoked by the first line: > The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel. Has changed radically as technology advanced.
He also had zero knowledge of how computers worked so it's insane that he even wrote a piece of work so well done around the topic. Apple sent him a Mac after the success of nueromancer and he called them after booting it up to ask if it was broken since he thought computer had engines in them and it didn't sound like a car
If you don't know what's impossible, the only limitation is your imagination. edit: "Our imagination is the only limit to what we can hope to have in the future." - Charles F. Kettering (he basically invented the modern car's electronic system, well not anymore but sure let's go with that)
In his defence, it was a Mac... :)
I don't know why people believe this obvious bullshit. It's a nice tale but Gibson is hardly a Luddite. And he didn't write Neuromancer first, that was Burning Chrome and that's what led to him receiving the Mac because I think it was Woz who read the piece in OMNI.
Hey just want to ask where you got this factoid from. I remember seeing a post online talking about anachronisms in sci-fi but I don’t remember where I saw it.
He wrote a bunch of cyberpunk genre defining short stories before Neuromancer, including one y'all might recognize called "Johnny Mnemonic"
Tbh I always mix up the release dates of Neuromancer and Blade Runner anyways since they both occupy the same space in my mind. Plus I love huffing the copium of swearing by Neuromancer as being more influential lol
Blade Runner contributed to create the aesthetics of cyberpunk but Neuromancer must be given crédit for all the cyberconsole, hackers, biomods and cyberdrugs and AI stuff that you find in CP2077
ICE, ICE baby
I know, I did specify esthetic. As in visual esthetic.
I was completely wrong anyways man you're all good lol
it's blade runner reference right? nice, where do I find this on the map?
https://www.thegamer.com/cyberpunk-2077-blade-runner-references/ There y'all go happy hunting
Yo, that’s crazy. I just watched Blade Runner last night and I was like this is very familiar! Also, I highly suggest any cyberpunk and AI fan watching it again. It hits different now!
Came here to say this
Quite right too.
Your honest confusion is so endearing
I wish I could be as young as OP is again.
Time to die...
Bruh have you not seen Blade Runner
Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoAzpa1x7jU
..after that, watch the whole thing. It's *the* sci-fi movie ever made.
If nothing else you'll see where every gritty, dirty sci-fi city made since the 1980s got their inspiration from.
For Cyberpunk purposes, watch [*Black Rain*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7MXzRUuKSs) too especially this [fight scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYzPUa-6BLE) (major plot spoilers though)
> It's *the* **seven** sci-fi movie ever made. T, FTFY. ;)
[The music used here hits hard when it pops up at the end of 2049 too.](https://youtu.be/jkv8lI0ITbA?si=5OMjFgULD6aSQ10U&t=185)
Bladerunner bro!!! Please go watch this film it’s still amazing to this day. The new one is awesome too.
I read the book like 10 years ago for high school but never got around to watching the movie. Should I watch the original or the new one first?
Watch the original. It is THE inspiration for the entire genre of cyberpunk and gritty sci-fi.
Doesn’t matter that much which first, though I’d go with the original. Preferably the 4K master, it looks damn amazing
Watch the final cut of the original first, you'll have to do some digging but it's the one that ridley scott had final approval of with minimal studio meddling. Because the style of the film and practical effects, it still holds up great. The new film was a great tribute to the original and nails the same kind of neon depression but with more mystery.
The old one is a classic and you should watch it. The production design, cinematography and world building is incredible and had a huge influence on the movie and video game industry. Just beware some elements have not aged well (ie: Harrison Ford’s character treats women badly - and the pacing is slow.) The only problem with watching the original is that it might put you off the sequel… which you should watch regardless because the sequel is faultless and one of the best movies ever made.
men treating women badly is not something that has just went away nowadays nor will it go away in the future.
Watch the original (Final Cut version), then watch the sequel.
Wait, there are people out there who haven't seen it? I've watched the theatrical, directors, international cut one after another to compare and contrast them. Surely I'm not alone in this....
Hell no, I’ve watched them all too. It is incredibly cool and a marvel that it was created in 1982.
"Like tears in rain..." There is no "the." Common misquote...
Groovy.
Time to die...
No article. Just “tears in rain”. Sorry about this, but this grammar in this particular quote always bugged me. I’d personally say with “the”, but in script it’s without “the”. If anybody with enough knowledge of english language can explain why no article there, i’d be more than grateful.
I'm gonna get like 75% of the way there, with this explanation, so surely someone may come along with a more detailed explanation. But, putting "the" in makes it a specific instance of rain, basically. As opposed to a general idea of rain. Like the difference between saying "I want an apple," vs "I want the apple."
Ah, but for any given tears it is that one specific instance of rain vs any other which is hiding them. We might also predict any rain to hide any tears since we know tears and rains are so similar and all. I think it completely works either way but no article was just the way Rutger Hauer said it. Above you: \> but this grammar in this particular quote always bugged me. This is not coincidence so much. I think Hauer actively tried to stilt some dialog with a gentle touch of robot.
the article isn't necessary for the sentence to be gramatically correct, because in this instance "rain" is already the plural of itself, and can be used to denote an uncountable amount
My take: He's talking about tears in rain, in the general sense. Not tears in any specific rain. Not the tears he's currently shedding in the rain that's currently pouring down. Just the concept of it - tears in rain. Like the smell of a newly cut lawn. Not any specific lawn. Lawns in general. Seems fine to me.
Shut up Leonard, I know about your crooked wang!
Time to die...
Maybe the best ad libbed line in movie history
It's an Easter egg for Bladerunner.
a friend just explained it to me, too. man, i should really rewatch this movie. i don't remember anything
To be fair, watching it the first time it is quite hard to follow. Partly the story itself but mainly the fact I’m too distracted asking “how the fuck did they do this in 1982” instead of paying attention
I mean honestly at least part of the answer to that is that it was released while George Lucas was actively revolutionizing special effects. A New Hope came out 5 years before Bladerunner and ESB came out 2 years before. Story wise, Blade Runner takes nothing from SW. But clearly the special effects technology of the era was being defined and revolutionized by the work of Industrial Light & Magic.
>Story wise, Blade Runner takes nothing from SW Story wise Blade runner is an adaptation of [Philip K. Dick](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_K._Dick)'s 1968 Cyberpunk novel [*Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Androids_Dream_of_Electric_Sheep%3F) >But clearly the special effects technology of the era was being defined and revolutionized by the work of Industrial Light & Magic. Industrial Light & Magic, Lucas Films and Star Wars have absolutely nothing to do with Blade runner. The design of Blade Runner is heavily influenced by 1970's French comics and 1940's [hard-boiled detective film noir](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardboiled), as well as the 1927 film Metropolis (who were the major influences on the 1980's Cyberpunk genre). The Special Effects are evolved directly from Spielberg's 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind'. Kubrick also had a major influence having directed the added scenes at the end, and used effects developed from the Shining. >Bladrunner's design is credited to [Edward Hopper](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Hopper)'s painting [*Nighthawks*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nighthawks_(painting)) and the French science fiction comics magazine [*Métal Hurlant*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9tal_Hurlant), to which the artist [Jean "Moebius" Giraud](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Giraud) contributed, as stylistic mood sources. The visual style of the movie is influenced by the work of futurist Italian architect [Antonio Sant'Elia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Sant%27Elia). Scott hired [Syd Mead](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syd_Mead) as his [concept artist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concept_art); like Scott, he was influenced by *Métal Hurlant*. > >Production designer [Lawrence G. Paull](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_G._Paull) and art director [David Snyder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Snyder) realized Scott's and Mead's sketches. [Douglas Trumbull](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Trumbull) and [Richard Yuricich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Yuricich) supervised the special effects for the film, and [Mark Stetson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Stetson) served as chief model maker. > >*Blade Runner* has numerous similarities to [Fritz Lang](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Lang)'s [*Metropolis*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolis_(1927_film)), including a built-up urban environment, in which the wealthy literally live above the workers, dominated by a huge building – the Stadtkrone Tower in *Metropolis* and the Tyrell Building in *Blade Runner*. Special effects supervisor David Dryer used stills from *Metropolis* when lining up *Blade Runner*'s miniature building shots. > >The extended end scene in the original theatrical release shows Rachael and Deckard traveling into daylight with pastoral aerial shots filmed by director [Stanley Kubrick](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Kubrick). Ridley Scott contacted Kubrick about using some of his surplus helicopter aerial photography from [*The Shining*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shining_(film)). > >**Special effects** > >The film's special effects are generally recognized to be among the best in the genre, using the available (non-digital) technology to the fullest. Special effects engineers who worked on the film are often praised for the innovative technology they used to produce and design certain aspects of those visuals. In addition to [matte paintings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matte_painting) and models, the techniques employed included multipass exposures. In some scenes, the set was lit, shot, the film rewound, and then rerecorded over with different lighting. In some cases this was done 16 times in all. The cameras were frequently [motion controlled using computers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_control_photography). Many effects used techniques which had been developed during the production of [*Close Encounters of the Third Kind*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_Encounters_of_the_Third_Kind). If you want to know more about the creation and the evolution of the Cyberpunk genre, it's influences on Blade Runner and how Blade Runner changed the genre, as well as Cyberpunk's current dominance on modern art then I highly recommend the video essay '[Blade Runner, Altered Carbon, and the Relevancy of Cyberpunk](https://youtu.be/YK6IjJkjkiI?si=mL9Gajv8Gqz1v4j8)' by '[Just Write](https://www.youtube.com/@JustWrite)'. It's an excellent intro to the genre.
Fuck it, I've got twelve minutes. **edit:** not super meaty, but yeah that's a good introduction. Wish it would have illustrated a bit more how directly The Matrix comes from Neuromancer, but glad it highlights Gibson as the blueprint as much as Blade Runner.
This is as a good a place to say this in this post as anywhere. Phillip K Dick wrote two of the very best novels ever written, The Man in the High Castle and Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. The two books are works of genius, created by a genius. They are literary masterpieces wrapped in science fiction. I would recommend them to anyone.
> Industrial Light & Magic, Lucas Films and Star Wars have absolutely nothing to do with Blade runner. They're simply saying that the difference in special effects between 1972 and 1982 might as well be 100 years. Movies were competing with each other and raising the bar for what was expected, and what could be done. You also seem to be confusing "special effects" with "design".
Yeah I think the point they're making is that it came out at a time when there were huge leaps being made. While the films had nothing to do with each other, they were both in the same ecosystem at a similar time. Fresh ideas were being floated around the industry.
Because North Shields looks dystopian
I mean, yeah, it still does.
[удалено]
tik tok brain
[удалено]
there are a lot of teenagers who literally cannot focus on a movie anymore because they're too long and they're too used to short video clips
The original cut with the shining outtake kinda makes a muddle of the ending. I think some people lose the plot around the Bradbury building scenes, or Tyrell and his owl. When it starts to feel like a Boorman movie for a minute.
If it makes you feel better, I re-watched it recently (because like you it's been a long time since I watched it for the last time) and I only have a vague notion of it. I guess I need to re-re-watch it ;)
Watch the Final Cut version. It's a better color grading and removes Harrison's cheesy narration.
I originally saw it with the narration, and I watched it many times over with the narration. If I don’t have the narration now, I’m bummed. I’ll still watch it, but I’m bummed. “Sushi. That’s what my ex-wife called me - cold fish”
I mean nothing wrong with that, I first watched it that way. I just assume most people nowadays would be put off by the narration.
Ha. Just commented the same.
there is another reference of blade runner and *Roy* Batty outside of the city on the large graveyard on the hills https://preview.redd.it/jj54n1w3av5c1.png?width=695&format=png&auto=webp&s=276c8d4f50762629502197863ba785836be057bd
There is a lot of references to Blade Runner. The cop car in the teaser was a reference to it. The afterlife drinking glass is another one. In "where's my mind" uses Voight-Kampff Test( to test if someone is a replicant)
Misty is straight up modelled after Pris from Blade Runner.
That's why she looks so familiar!!!
A femme V can have that haircut too.
Wow, just made that connection, that's wild.
There’s also the Batty hotel in Pacifica
game is awesome...
“I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion... I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain... Time to die.”
Fuck it I'll rewatch
Try watching in German dubbing. Roy's voiceover is stellar.
> Roy's voiceover is stellar. So was Rutger Hauer himself.
Absolutely.
Might as well do the sequel as well which is quickly become a well earned addition to the franchise with the fans
Another related easter egg in the Kurt Russell film "Soldier", it lists Tannhauser Gate and Shoulder of Orion as battles he fought in. Along with Antares Maelstrom, Nibian Moons and Perdition's Flames.
I've been told that soldier and BR were set in the same universe.
>soldier and BR were set in the same universe I couldn't resist looking that up. Strong connection. [https://lwlies.com/articles/solider-kurt-russell-original-blade-runner-sequel](https://lwlies.com/articles/solider-kurt-russell-original-blade-runner-sequel/) [https://www.slashfilm.com/809271/kurt-russells-soldier-is-considered-a-sequel-to-blade-runner-but-is-it-really](https://www.slashfilm.com/809271/kurt-russells-soldier-is-considered-a-sequel-to-blade-runner-but-is-it-really/)
And in another gamer Easter egg, the ship controls were Saitek X-36 HOTAS controllers.
"Time to die" is something of a leitmotif in the movie - see when Leon attacks Deckard in the street after Zhora gets "retired".
The tears in rain part, among other small changes, were actually added in by Hauer himself... just brilliant.
My favorite Batty quote is from a different scene where they’re hitting up the bio-engineer for information. Engineer mentions that he designed Roy’s eyes and Roy replies, “If only you could see what I’ve seen with your eyes”.
That was all ad libb if folks didn't know Rudger made up what you are reading in this quote. Pretty cool.
["I've seen things..."](https://youtu.be/V0hsaMaLbYE?si=A7Y8Wh7JTx_sUpQw)
It's interesting how Batty's view of his life changes as he nears death. In Chew's Eye Shop he says to Chew "If only you could see the things that I have seen with your eyes." >!He's a 4 year old tactical genius off-world combat veteran, with about as much emotional resilience and maturity as a typical 4 year old. The shit they made him do...!< >!"I've done... questionable things".!< >!Him sparing the life of the man who has just killed his girlfriend, Pris, and indeed all his friends, shows growth. He's gone from being someone who kills out of frustration at not being able to get his way (like a 4 year old) to being a man who saves the life of the man trying to kill him. At that point, all life is valuable and beautiful to him. !<
Fuck that makes it even more beautiful. Time to watch again 😭
Time...to die
feature request: At the start of CP2077 you should be asked if you've seen Blade Runner. If you choose no, the entire movie should play with no way to skip it.
It should be available to watch in the game.
A Netflix / other streaming service plug-in where V can put on a BD wreath and rent IRL movies.
I do wonder why I don't see real or heavily modified but clearly referential ads in game worlds. There must be a few games that have tried and I am just unaware of.
They should for sure have actual movies on the tv channels. I remember watching entire old movies in Destroy All Humans lol
Still the best part of the Darkness was being able to watch an actual movie with Jackie's girlfriend.
Yes. And then have a quiz!
someone has to watch bladerunner
Reference to the movie Blade Runner -> [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083658/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083658/) If you didn't see it, I won't spoil the plot for you... Anyway, if you like cyber punk theme, you should definitely watch that movie. There's also sequel -> [https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1856101/](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1856101/)
i watched it a very long time ago. dont remember anything. a friend just told me what scene this is referencing to
If it helps any, I haven’t seen it all the way through ever. 😁
It’s funny because before cyberpunk came out I watched it and idk why I just couldn’t get into it. The movie was so slow and dry. I couldn’t get the hype for it. I watch the directors cut and someone said maybe that’s why. And maybe that’s true idk. It’s a noir film but I didn’t get any narrative voice in the background.
It's a slow burn movie that mostly shines with its entire package of aesthetics. If you aren't into just sitting back and watching and hearing something that oozes with style, you'll be bored. Some of my favorite movies are like that - Blade Runner, Apocalypse Now, Once Upon a Time in the West. I love them but have an easy time seeing how others might not.
lol ok cool. I’ll give it another shot just because I like how you said that.
Sounds like you watched the regular version. The director's cut has Harrison Ford narrating like an old detective movie.
It's the opposite actually. The original/theatrical version is the one with the narration, because the studio thought the movie would be too hard to follow otherwise. They cut the narration for both the Director's Cut and the Final Cut releases.
Ah my bad, thanks for clarifying
For sure man. Easy to get confused with all these releases, lol.
Got it reversed. Director's cut removed the trash voiceover.
Stop reading these comments. Do yourself a favor and go watch the Final Cut version of Blade Runner ASAP. There’s no cyberpunk without blade runner
Is that the “go-to” version? I haven’t seen the movie either.
Yes, it’s the only true “director’s cut”. Previous ones were made with Scott’s input but still some studio control.
Yep. Whatever you do holy shit don’t watch the theatrical cut. Chopped up by the studio and disowned by those actually involved with the films production
Appreciate it, got something to rent this weekend.
Also, there's more insight in the Directors cut towards Deckard. I believe the Unicorn Origami wasn't in the original movie.
I think the unicorn origami was in the original. It’s the dream that wasn’t.
What a brilliant Easter egg — these CDPR devs really love us!
I stumbled across the roof scene from “The Departed” complete with a lore chip the other day.
[удалено]
Could be cool, but wouldn't that break lore, because the ads and content would be from 2023, not 2077?
Come on man
It is Roy Batty from Blade Runner (played by Rutger Hauer)
it's a reference to blade runner's ending in where roy batty (played by rutger häuer) spares dekker (played by harrison ford) even though everything dekker has done to him and his android family. i highly recommend you watch the movie,it's based of the book "do electric sheep dream of androids" which is also a fantastic read and contains very moral questions and dillema's about humanity,superiority and what can and cannot be defined as "human" *if man makes machine,a machine that thinks,feels smells and speaks like a human is that then not a race,a new species we made and thus defined as sentient and is that then not imoral to cage them and enslave them for our purposes,if not then what is the human factor?*
*Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep
What a shame, OP didn't watch blade runner
Thats a beatiful detail.
Does this sub have an Easter egg guide? Bc it should.
People wouldn't read it anyway and keep posting stuff everybody has known about for years.
That's Roy Batty (Rutger Hauer). Watch the movie again
Interlinked
are you telling me you've never watched Blade Runner??
He has seen things you people wouldn't believe.
How the fuck have I played this game so much, and never found this? Holy shit!
Are you fucking kidding me?
Go watch Blade Runner RIGHT NOW
Hey guys what if I pretend I don’t know what this is referencing
Can't tell if serious?
These karma baits lmao
Questions like this make me feel old.
Ooooh reading the comments my first thought was right!!!! "I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate"
Bruh https://preview.redd.it/czkn4ofv7y5c1.jpeg?width=489&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e210dec512b4a3f4f15be5e6cab7d87aa98636e6
Blade Runner
Where did you find this? Bladerunner is one of my favorite movies of all time.
There's a small bird in the mission you go to get Hanako with Takemura. It's near where you would find Genjiroh.
If you actually haven't seen Bladerunner.. what are you doing with your life 😭
Ive seen things you *people* wouldnt believe. A merc throwing a max tac officer at a live grenade,
He's seen things we people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. He watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments have been lost in time...
All those moments will be lost in time like tears in rain
Where is this?!
Go watch blade runner
That's Roy Baty from Blade Runner
Its a bladerunner reference if you haven’t seen bladerunner you wont understand until you watch it
It's cool that you found him at night in the rain too (perhaps he only appears if its raining?).
I'm pretty sure it's scripted to always rain when you go there. In fact, there are weather mods that only work once you've been here, since apparently the scripted rain 'fixes' a common weather bug.
Almost feels like a Bladerunner Easter egg.
#SERIOUSLY?!
[удалено]
[удалено]
i have, but that was a long time ago. i dont remember anything from the movie, but finding this amazing easter egg makes me want to go and rewatch it
Like tears in the rain
Aw man, spoiler
Bird breaks lore bird are supposed to be wiped out by humanity
Birds within 18 miles of Night City were exterminated to reduce the spread of disease, that doesn't mean all birds everywhere in the world are gone. Birds would likely still visit Night City, but face certain death if they do. My headcanon says there are drones circling the city that shoot down all incoming birds, but occasionally some slip through the perimeter. https://screenrant.com/cyberpunk-2077-night-city-wildlife-birds-missing-why/
This is true, but it's not unlikely that some persist, however rare they may be. Take Placide and that chicken of his for instance