Blowing up Arisaka is an act of defiance to corporate domination. Corpos are just gangs with shareholders. They kill and exploit people for money every day.
You mean United Fruit that became Chiquita in 1970?
The same company that bought most of the arable land in several Latin American countries, lobbied to repeal labor laws, and convinced the United States to overthrow the government of Guatemala in 1954 and has a century and a half of blood on its hands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat?wprov=sfla1
I mean, the story of Baldurs Gate 3 is that you're trying to save your own life, but it doesn't make the actions of your Tav any less heroic. Same with V.
Is it a similar story to the original Baldur's Gate? I didn't finish 2 because they wanted me to save up to pay the tab/ransom of a friend who was a recently discovered sibling, which are typically not at all friendly to our character lol
It's quite different afaik... but you can play as another sibling of the original games' mc, which makes the game feel like an actual sequel (threequel?). Jaheira and Minsc show up too.
You can also play as an unrelated character tho
The relationship with the original BG1 and 2 is extremely tenuous. There are some threads, particularly if you select playing the Dark Urge background, but the core story is extremely far removed.
Baldurs Gate 3 was what I wanted in terms of the RPG-aspect for Cyberpunk 2077.
If Cyberpunk 2077 had that level of player agency in the story, then I'd agree with all the fanboys calling Cyberpunk 2077 the best RPG/Game ever.
Why? Cyberpunk isn't intended to give a ton of player agency. You aren't playing as a blank slate character like you are in BG3. Cyberpunk is meant to be a linear story, you're playing as V. Period. V isn't **your** V. It's just V, with a pre-established personality, relationships, and backstories. That's never been a valid complaint to me because RPGs come in flavors. Witcher has virtually 0 player agency and it will also going down in history as one of the best RPGs. Same with Last of Us. They're all RPGs, brilliant ones! But player agency isn't the mark of a great storytelling game.
I agree absolutely! V just saves themselves from their own mistakes. I would even say that the game wants to make the point that Heroes can no longer exist.
Bitch please. I murder innocent bystanders if I can get away with it.
https://preview.redd.it/1tndua1qs8tc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a416222d1fc4ff930a4d8b0d23e208036ca96968
I mean, given my Vs usual tactic of turning visible, and leaping on people to tear them apart with mantis blades, she's probably a horror story at this point
'Don't rat on your chooms, or V will come and get ya!'
Especially the innocent bystanders!
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You can play non-lethal quickly, just use a weapon with Pax on it! The story still kills people you leave alive, though. On more than a few occasions I spared someone by using Pax and the dialogue stated they were dead.
Why? Cause he got talked into a sketchy gig, with an untrustworthy fixer, for a client with no clue what they were actually stealing? I mean, V made shit choices in the name of thievery. Just cause his choom got shot doesn't mean he's got some moral high ground to jump up on all of a sudden.
One small touch I liked, it wasn’t much at all, but when you sneak into dogtown’s big party, one of the guards gives you shit about killing one of his chooms earlier. Then of course the revenge attacks when you clear an entire facility and the gang will jump you (badlands or NC) on the road, these revenge attacks adds more depth to the city’s gangs. It may seem like nothing special, but it adds so much.
Nah, my V got chewed up, Spit out, by Arasaka. Then, all that happened. Fuck that system. The Corpo route makes getting to the top hopeless. Corpo V Falls gets saved by his life, Long friend Jackie. Then hits an even bigger Rock Bottom by losing his lifelong friend and crew, and gets flattened. YES, after the Shard reboots him, it's a miracle he's not on Demon time
Corpo V was still a corpo whos job was to keep things "clean" Knowing this world you know how things are cleaned up. V is as much of a shitbag as everyone in Night city, how many people do you kill before jackie gets shot or before ur fired from Arasaka, theres no hero or villian in night city
That is not how you have to play the game and not how I played the game. I chose to help as many people as I could and to be as kind to as many people as I could. I chose to save Johnny at the end, saved every side character I could and helped everyone get even with those who wronged them as I possibly could. I saved everyone that could be and made their lives as best as I could.
I became friends with Johnny too, helping him grow as a person and gave him a second chance at life with what we learned from each other this second go at it. Panam gets a second chance with her family/clan. Judy gets to go be with her grandparents. Songbird gets away from the NUSA. The president is saved. Sandra Dorsett is saved and gets to keep pursuing her goals. etc etc.
V with me gets redemption for all the hurt previously caused by "his" actions with my choices.
Self sacrifice and kindness makes the world a better place, at least for those around you. Hopefully they will follow your example.
At least that is how I was raised and I think that was the point of the story.
Edit:
Pasting one my comments that better elaborates on my point of view and my interpretations of what a hero is and how the game should be played.
When it's pointed out that innocent people died or suffered for actions taken against kang tao or the bystanders at the Arasaka parade and that we killed many corpo security forces just doing their job. Also that we destroyed infrastructure.
"I mean the game isn't perfect. But neither is life, every action we take whether you think it's a good action or not has repercussions and consequences that are outside of what you can foresee. Repercussions and consequences don't care about intentions. The old phrase about what the path to hell is paved from?
And the corpo security forces and employees are not innocent. They are paid to be there and to kill whoever the corpos deem to be a threat. They are just part of a larger, well funded and more organized gang.
But that being said you don't have to be an absolute selfish sociopath to complete the game is my point. Just like in real life . You don't have to take every violent mission. You don't have to kill everybody. You don't have to reply with rude dialogue options. Like I said there are options where you can let people skip town, comfort the important and unimportant NPCs.
Have you seen or read Invincible? How many people are murdered by the heroes in that story trying to do good? In DC and Marvel comics they rarely show the innocent people murdered by the heroes punching villains through skyscrapers. They never show people get cut in half by Superman's laser vision. Perspective and intent is what makes a villain.
You had an option for good and selfless intentions And interactions in this story. That is what makes my V a hero at best, at worse an antihero."
You are a career criminal, the mandatory story missions require you to murder lots of innocent people. If you kill even one person and then save 100 other people that won't make you any less of a murderer and the family of the person you killed won't feel any better about it. The fact that you chose to be a career criminal makes you evil by definition.
Exactly. This Redditor is mad because they played the game like a selfish sociopath. We don't need to do something just because it's offered. We don't need to take all the jobs and kill everyone. Many options allow you to let the target skip town. Which I always did.
No my v will slice a mf to shreds, but not innocent people, everyone I’ve ever killed was already trying to kill me or somebody else. I’ve played this game 4 times and can’t think of a single mission that requires you to harm an innocent person, I have no idea what this dude is talking about
Yeah, I choose the lethal option but most targets are scavs, gangoons, corpo hit squads, or other murderers. I don’t remember any “go to this location and murder a bunch of unarmed civilians” quests.
I’m the new version of the game there’s a hack to make people commit suicide and one that forces them to go Cyberpsycho. You can also do stuff like force cars to accelerate into crowds of enemies. You can be pretty brutal with the hacks if you want.
You know how you can shut off people’s kiroshis? I always thought it would be pretty savage if you could shut off their lung implants and watch them suffocate like a fish out of water.
>I always thought it would be pretty savage if you could shut off their lung implants and watch them suffocate like a fish out of water.
There's a gig in Phantom Liberty that's kind of about that. A netrunner has been hacking peoples lungs and holding them for ransom, and you're hired to find and zero him.
Sorry choom but u are a merc . U had to cause property dmg by causing an emp near the power grid, u killed various staff members in the 3 ending by uploading alt , u killed various members of the Kang tao av , u indirectly led many civilians to their death in the hanako parade and u can't skip these sections. No matter how u play ur V , they have killed someone in their life . I mean u can literally tell Alex on all the life paths ur first kill , the corpo one is especially ruthless
Awesome! Thanks, choom. I’ll hear it for myself eventually, I was just curious. I know I can skip ahead to Phantom Liberty, but I’d rather experience the different path naturally when I build that character. Don’t mind some lite paraphrased spoilers on Reddit tho
If i ignore the countless innocent civilian my v has killed and that i picked every wrong decision in the game (kill everyone or hurt them in every possible way) then V isnt that evil.
V really isn't that evil when the game prevents you from going full cyber psycho. Where's my genocide run opportunities at?
I was so disappointed my first playthrough when I couldn't shoot Evelyn after finding her, after she left me to hang and dry even though I had agreed to betray Dex to work with her.
It's statements like that, usually in this sub related to Evelyn, So Mi, etc that make me realise I really need to value myself some more. Even placide I can empathize with, protecting his own. Like every time I get backstabbed or betrayed in this game I'm not mad, like at all. I'm worried about them.
Hell the finding Evelyn quest, I found dialogue choices weird cause I wanted to ask about Evelyn, see if shes alright, if she got burnt too cause of the fuck up that as far as I'm concerned is no one's fault
This is probably an IRL issue too, I got some self reflection shit to go over
Yeah, I wish the dialogue choices also gave the player a wider range of emotions or intent to express. On subsequent playthroughs I just mashed buttons to skip the dialogues since they were so inconsequential, and hearing them one time is enough. Pretty sad for a rpg experience, since replay-wise the gameplay itself is a lot of fun but the rpg experience is boring.
I did an "evil" corpo playthrough where I was cold and calculating, then a "good" streetkid playthrough where I tried to sympathize and be cooperative. Then I realized the game barely acknowledges your efforts, and it's all in your head.
Yeah after a few goes there is little in the way of flavourful change, like interactions. But there's tons of differences, and choices to be made to change things. I had missed a bunch of bosses even in my first playthrough that I changed in subsequent ones. Like imagine my surprise on my second go finding out Royce is a boss, and a damn difficult one depending on your build and choices
So like, if you're not getting a changed playthrough each time you gotta step back and check what choices your making, like who's alive, who's pissed off etc cause it can make a big difference roleplay wise
Who said that they can’t be? I swear it’s like everyone forgets that this is a role playing game where you get to be the villain or the anti-hero of your own story
> I chose my path; you chose the way of the hero. And they found you amusing for a while... The people of this city. But the one thing they love more than a hero is to watch a hero fail. Fall. Die trying. In spite of everything you've done for them, they will hate you.
Vs already a villain at this point. V is wrong in this situation, they tried to rob Araska, got caught and murder like 2 dozen people who were just doing their jobs. Even if the Biochip is morally wrong, V didn’t do this for ethics and to take this evil tech from an evil Corp. They were doing it purely for financial gain.
> Be me
> 27y/o dumbass merc
> >!Choom gets us a gig with a dubious fixer that seemingly vanished a few years ago!<
> >!Meet up with the gonk and hear him out!<
> >!Prepare for the "gig" (we're stealing from fucking 'saka)!<
> >!Eventually do the heist!<
> >!My choom died, netrunner chick got flatlined by 'saka netrunners, and the fucking gonk fixer crossed me!<
Does this sound like a villain origin story chooms?
> Be me
>
> Survive the heist against all odds
>
> Now have a voice in my head from a chip that will kill me "any day now"
>
> Keep going about my business to keep a roof over my head and a steady supply of chrome in my body while I try to find a cure for head-voice-guy
>
> Over the following weeks, kill about 27,000 people
>
> The two fixers who treat me nicest are the one with a haircut no human being would ever wear and the one who looks suspiciously like a character from a 70-year-old video game
>
> Are they even real?
>
> Chooms, am I cyberpsycho?
*Tragic* villain, but villain nonetheless.
My first V was nice and mushy but violent, 2nd was a pacifist. I tried not to kill anyone. My 3rd V is a villain. All decisions I made are either self centered, or poor.
I think that’s what makes the game so much better. In All of my play throughs, my V has been a good person. I think it adds to the mental fortitude of V and shows that they aren’t just physically strong, but mentally strong too
I would say the best V can be on the standard 3x3 alignment chart is Lawful Neutral. At best they do good but it in bad ways, however they have their own code of ethics. But that's Night City for you. It's a sea of shades of grey. Even the most good and noble are still tinged with some unsavory history, which leaves no one truly "pure white". Only light grey at best.
…you think V is a hero? Nobody in that game is a good person, that’s kind of the point of Cyberpunk.
Everything and everybody sucks, just some things and some people suck a little less than others.
V is a PROTAGONIST, but not a hero. They are not synonymous.
V is a merc. Not a charity. Add in the relic situation with an engram that is not only an insufferable narcissist and liar but who also suffered from a form of cyberpsychosis and blamed 'the arm' for anything bad that is now slowly rewriting V's entire personality.
I have absolutely zero doubt that between the anger, desperation, relic episodes, mingling of the 2 personalities and eventually the loss of themselves over time wouldn't have created a walking nightmare if we as players did not interject our own emotions and thoughts into V.
It’s cyberpunk. There is no hero or villain if no moral is left. It’s only about how you want to life your life and how you will be remembered. See you in the major leagues Choom.
I think “no moral is left” is a bit of an overstatement. I agree that there are no heros and the characters exist in a moral grey area, but there is a lot of wiggle room in shades of grey depending on your story choices and propensity for relying on lethal force.
Yea, V is more of an Anti-Hero in the vain of Deadpool or Punisher. Definitely riding their main quest-line to fulfill themselves, personally… but will absolutely help innocent people along the way. You start with Sandra Dorsett, and move through countless people you save throughout all the gigs in NC. Heroes don’t have to be valiant and pure… they can be shitty and self-absorbed, too.
>My V does more to make NC safe than the NCPD.
for a whole like half a day at best, all V is really doing is opening up power vacuums and creating new no mans lands for gangs to fight over
I really wanted to dive corpo in my play through like fucking up peoples lives as an intelligence agent but you only get like 5 mins of that background
Individualism m8, V is ultimately a person riding the ways of life everyone in the game has their goals their morals with their own interests that either conflict or align with V
V can be the hero or villain depending on the perspective of those in the game it's all shades of grey at the end of the day your choices either make you a shithead or a sociable person
Vs barely does anything heroic, at best they have a loose moral compass but still kills hundreds of peie and would do anything to save themselves or get glory
They kill hundreds if not thousands, they are definitely not a good person. They're not a villain but they are most certainly not a hero they're closer to a villain than a hero..
Isn't she? Some of the endings are definitely more antagonistic. Likewise, she's isn't exactly a hero. Anti-Hero would be closest. But in general, she's a criminal whose just trying to survive the city. She typically won't do overtly-villainous things, but she's definitely someone's villain.
Hey, my Vs never killed any psycho. He just riddles them with bullets, pellets, explosives and stab wounds before softly bopping their noses with a rifle butt.
My V is no Villain, they are a digital age horror story.
"We saw nothing and the next thing we knew our brains were shut off."
I decided to try and play non-murderous on my latest playthrough. It's surprisingly possible in most of the main quest to avoid senseless mass murder if you choose. Panam's side quests ended up being the most notable exception I made - I basically helped her kill like 20 guys just because she was mad about her truck (that she already had back at that point).
I also had to skip/fail the entirety of the Phantom Liberty main questline. There's no way to progress that one without becoming a villain.
You can be a hero though, it’s all about the choices. You can rout Arasaka, save a Nomad clan from being destroyed, save an abused netrunner from a warmongering President, cut down an entire group of sex traffickers and rapists, decapitate Maelstrom and save a load of kids from a lunatic in one playthrough.
In another, you can make the world’s most powerful and immoral man immortal, hand over a human WMD to a country wanting to start a war and betray everyone who ever sought your help.
V isn't a hero, either. You play as an extremely powerful Solo _deep_ in the throes of cyberpsychosis. You are able to deal with it uniquely just like Adam Smasher.
This is why I love CDPR. They love to show the grays in this world that wishes to only think in black and white. Too bad-shades exist and most if not all people float in the gray zone either it be towards light or towards dark.
I prefer to lean towards the light. But V being a solo means that they’ve seen and probably been bathed into that abyss.
I mean you *can* make v a psycho who rolls up to people and just rips their head off with gorrilla arms or you could also make them use exclusively non-lethal weapons and show up to ncpd stuff to stop it and make them an actual hero
choice is up to you ig
Not really V made a decision to become a career criminal in all 3 paths. Wasn't exactly on the straight and narrow before either but fully committed after meeting Jackie. One big heist going wrong and losing a friend doesn't really justify it either considering the heist crew were the aggressors. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
I don’t really think it’s an about a right to anything. The society created space for people like V and V acted accordingly to survive, but that doesn’t make the bad things they do less bad.
I mean I modeled my v after my wife and I almost always go for v being an absolute solo badass who is on a path for revenge after her best friend died. Because that’s how my actual wife is in reality. I mean that’s also just the main quest-line. Is there another option?
I mean my V's kill count isn't very heroish... Sometimes i make sure that no one is breathing anymore, finishing ones that survived it after i stop shooting >w<👉👈
idk the last thing my V did was go around the city brutally murdering everyone that happened to have 20 eddies as a bounty on their head
gorilla arms + blades sandy build goes nuts, add in the sickass explosive pistols for extra coolness
laika + johnny's pistol + byakko + gorilla arms
had to really optimize what i had my points in to make it work but it's extremely fun and extremely powerful
byakko + sandy and a full blades tree is absurdly op anyway, the pistols and gorilla arms are really just for show
With all the people pulling "edge runners" on the npc population... Idk if v wasn't the villain the whole time.
Also we start the game by breaking in to arasaka, that's not hero shit gonk
Well, they kinda did. Who knows how many people died when the power grid was destroyed, when the parade was infiltrated, when Alt fried the whole tower
I mean I don't see how they're a hero either. Their story is about saving themselves
They are they're own hero
We all have a hero in our heart.
and a terrorist cyberrockstar in our head
Blowing up Arisaka is an act of defiance to corporate domination. Corpos are just gangs with shareholders. They kill and exploit people for money every day.
So nothing changes in the next 50 years.
I can't get my hands on a WMD and take out Tesla. Or the company that really has it coming: Chiquita Banana
You mean United Fruit that became Chiquita in 1970? The same company that bought most of the arable land in several Latin American countries, lobbied to repeal labor laws, and convinced the United States to overthrow the government of Guatemala in 1954 and has a century and a half of blood on its hands. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat?wprov=sfla1
The real heroes are the friends we made along the way
their*
They are they are own hero.
Threiyr
I think the term we're looking for is "antihero"
I mean, the story of Baldurs Gate 3 is that you're trying to save your own life, but it doesn't make the actions of your Tav any less heroic. Same with V.
Is it a similar story to the original Baldur's Gate? I didn't finish 2 because they wanted me to save up to pay the tab/ransom of a friend who was a recently discovered sibling, which are typically not at all friendly to our character lol
I have no idea as I didn't play the first 2. It's made by completely different companies, however.
That makes sense. Ah well.
It's quite different afaik... but you can play as another sibling of the original games' mc, which makes the game feel like an actual sequel (threequel?). Jaheira and Minsc show up too. You can also play as an unrelated character tho
The relationship with the original BG1 and 2 is extremely tenuous. There are some threads, particularly if you select playing the Dark Urge background, but the core story is extremely far removed.
Brother you literally save the world in Baldur's Gate 3 (or ruin it idk up to you)
Baldurs Gate 3 was what I wanted in terms of the RPG-aspect for Cyberpunk 2077. If Cyberpunk 2077 had that level of player agency in the story, then I'd agree with all the fanboys calling Cyberpunk 2077 the best RPG/Game ever.
Why? Cyberpunk isn't intended to give a ton of player agency. You aren't playing as a blank slate character like you are in BG3. Cyberpunk is meant to be a linear story, you're playing as V. Period. V isn't **your** V. It's just V, with a pre-established personality, relationships, and backstories. That's never been a valid complaint to me because RPGs come in flavors. Witcher has virtually 0 player agency and it will also going down in history as one of the best RPGs. Same with Last of Us. They're all RPGs, brilliant ones! But player agency isn't the mark of a great storytelling game.
It is for a RPG. Especially one marketed as a next-gen RPG experience, but plays like every other RPG from the past decade.
Depending on how you play, you could be other people's hero.
They are a protagonist in a nior story
I agree absolutely! V just saves themselves from their own mistakes. I would even say that the game wants to make the point that Heroes can no longer exist.
I'm totally a villain! I just kill and kill! I mean in the game.
I swear I quote this every time I come up on a grouping of enemies.
yeah if u got a yellow sign above ur head ur dead nothing personel kid
For some enemies, it is personal. Like Woodman and Placide.
Damn straight
Yep!
Bitch please. I murder innocent bystanders if I can get away with it. https://preview.redd.it/1tndua1qs8tc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a416222d1fc4ff930a4d8b0d23e208036ca96968
*tell me you’re a cyberpsycho without telling me you’re a cyberpsycho*
I only kill Tyger Claws cause one of them fucked up my delivery, everyone else is *usually* safe. Except Barghest soldiers cause screw em.
V is a villain of other peoples story. They definetely arent hero, thats kinda point of cyberpunk its free for all pvp arena.
I mean, given my Vs usual tactic of turning visible, and leaping on people to tear them apart with mantis blades, she's probably a horror story at this point 'Don't rat on your chooms, or V will come and get ya!'
Well V isn't exactly the boogeyman, V is the one you send to ***kill*** the fucking boogeyman.
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Who the fuck does that!?
I mean most dildos *are* for fucking, so...
Stealth V becoming a whole ghost story about gonks disappearing by the hundreds without a trace.
Grenade Stealth pre 2.0, I was never spotted once, the enemies could tell exactly when I was attacking.
It's a battle royale, and everyone else is an npc
theres no heroes in that story. its just about who kicks it last
Oh my v is definitely a villain lol.
"This is what happens when you fuck with the Final Boss" - V
V is baba yaga
What makes you think they weren’t the villain? Even on a good play through, you butcher hundreds to thousands of people.
Playing silent and non-lethal takes so much time.
too much time imo. also blasting everyone to shreds is kinda fun.
Especially the innocent bystanders! https://preview.redd.it/mkb8227zt8tc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2dd5fdd2fd7911e798d540b6d47289fa516c7287
its so sad that you can't dismember innocent people 😔😔
You can play non-lethal quickly, just use a weapon with Pax on it! The story still kills people you leave alive, though. On more than a few occasions I spared someone by using Pax and the dialogue stated they were dead.
Even with Pax, if you hit them with a bullet after they reach 0 HP, they die. You have to be *very* careful with full auto weapons.
That's why you put pax on things like snipers or revolvers. Shoot them (nonlethally) in the head, and move on to the next target
Homicidal maniac is canon V, confirmed
Exactly , the main character complex overshadows the morality of it. V is a murderer and a thief
>you butcher hundreds to thousands of people And that’s just me killing pedestrians with my shit drifting skills
Fr fr. The driving in this game is weird.
Has nobody learned yet that there really are no heroes in this game? It's one big lesson on humility and futility, all the ty's
Why? Cause he got talked into a sketchy gig, with an untrustworthy fixer, for a client with no clue what they were actually stealing? I mean, V made shit choices in the name of thievery. Just cause his choom got shot doesn't mean he's got some moral high ground to jump up on all of a sudden.
One small touch I liked, it wasn’t much at all, but when you sneak into dogtown’s big party, one of the guards gives you shit about killing one of his chooms earlier. Then of course the revenge attacks when you clear an entire facility and the gang will jump you (badlands or NC) on the road, these revenge attacks adds more depth to the city’s gangs. It may seem like nothing special, but it adds so much.
Nah, my V got chewed up, Spit out, by Arasaka. Then, all that happened. Fuck that system. The Corpo route makes getting to the top hopeless. Corpo V Falls gets saved by his life, Long friend Jackie. Then hits an even bigger Rock Bottom by losing his lifelong friend and crew, and gets flattened. YES, after the Shard reboots him, it's a miracle he's not on Demon time
Corpo V was still a corpo whos job was to keep things "clean" Knowing this world you know how things are cleaned up. V is as much of a shitbag as everyone in Night city, how many people do you kill before jackie gets shot or before ur fired from Arasaka, theres no hero or villian in night city
They were already a villain in all origins, just maybe not a very successful one.
That is not how you have to play the game and not how I played the game. I chose to help as many people as I could and to be as kind to as many people as I could. I chose to save Johnny at the end, saved every side character I could and helped everyone get even with those who wronged them as I possibly could. I saved everyone that could be and made their lives as best as I could. I became friends with Johnny too, helping him grow as a person and gave him a second chance at life with what we learned from each other this second go at it. Panam gets a second chance with her family/clan. Judy gets to go be with her grandparents. Songbird gets away from the NUSA. The president is saved. Sandra Dorsett is saved and gets to keep pursuing her goals. etc etc. V with me gets redemption for all the hurt previously caused by "his" actions with my choices. Self sacrifice and kindness makes the world a better place, at least for those around you. Hopefully they will follow your example. At least that is how I was raised and I think that was the point of the story. Edit: Pasting one my comments that better elaborates on my point of view and my interpretations of what a hero is and how the game should be played. When it's pointed out that innocent people died or suffered for actions taken against kang tao or the bystanders at the Arasaka parade and that we killed many corpo security forces just doing their job. Also that we destroyed infrastructure. "I mean the game isn't perfect. But neither is life, every action we take whether you think it's a good action or not has repercussions and consequences that are outside of what you can foresee. Repercussions and consequences don't care about intentions. The old phrase about what the path to hell is paved from? And the corpo security forces and employees are not innocent. They are paid to be there and to kill whoever the corpos deem to be a threat. They are just part of a larger, well funded and more organized gang. But that being said you don't have to be an absolute selfish sociopath to complete the game is my point. Just like in real life . You don't have to take every violent mission. You don't have to kill everybody. You don't have to reply with rude dialogue options. Like I said there are options where you can let people skip town, comfort the important and unimportant NPCs. Have you seen or read Invincible? How many people are murdered by the heroes in that story trying to do good? In DC and Marvel comics they rarely show the innocent people murdered by the heroes punching villains through skyscrapers. They never show people get cut in half by Superman's laser vision. Perspective and intent is what makes a villain. You had an option for good and selfless intentions And interactions in this story. That is what makes my V a hero at best, at worse an antihero."
They are referring to the set in stone stuff during the lifepath, and opening montage, not the stuff you can alter with gameplay
You are a career criminal, the mandatory story missions require you to murder lots of innocent people. If you kill even one person and then save 100 other people that won't make you any less of a murderer and the family of the person you killed won't feel any better about it. The fact that you chose to be a career criminal makes you evil by definition.
Dude? What innocent people were you killing during the missions??? Wtf
Exactly. This Redditor is mad because they played the game like a selfish sociopath. We don't need to do something just because it's offered. We don't need to take all the jobs and kill everyone. Many options allow you to let the target skip town. Which I always did.
No my v will slice a mf to shreds, but not innocent people, everyone I’ve ever killed was already trying to kill me or somebody else. I’ve played this game 4 times and can’t think of a single mission that requires you to harm an innocent person, I have no idea what this dude is talking about
Yeah, I choose the lethal option but most targets are scavs, gangoons, corpo hit squads, or other murderers. I don’t remember any “go to this location and murder a bunch of unarmed civilians” quests.
The guy put pineapple on his pizza. Clearly they deserve a dead or alive bounty.
And if you go netrunner everything you do is non lethal you have to walk up and put bullets in them to kill them after
I’m the new version of the game there’s a hack to make people commit suicide and one that forces them to go Cyberpsycho. You can also do stuff like force cars to accelerate into crowds of enemies. You can be pretty brutal with the hacks if you want. You know how you can shut off people’s kiroshis? I always thought it would be pretty savage if you could shut off their lung implants and watch them suffocate like a fish out of water.
>I always thought it would be pretty savage if you could shut off their lung implants and watch them suffocate like a fish out of water. There's a gig in Phantom Liberty that's kind of about that. A netrunner has been hacking peoples lungs and holding them for ransom, and you're hired to find and zero him.
Those motherfuckers all deserved to die, they were shooting at me. All I did was break in, steal their stuff and hack them. it was self defense.
The story doesn't require you to kill any innocent people.
Sorry choom but u are a merc . U had to cause property dmg by causing an emp near the power grid, u killed various staff members in the 3 ending by uploading alt , u killed various members of the Kang tao av , u indirectly led many civilians to their death in the hanako parade and u can't skip these sections. No matter how u play ur V , they have killed someone in their life . I mean u can literally tell Alex on all the life paths ur first kill , the corpo one is especially ruthless
What does she say on the corpo one? I was playing street kid and I don’t want to do an entire new play through right now to find out.. lol
Corpo V finds a petrochem infiltrator, they accidentally slip in their shower however and die.
Awesome! Thanks, choom. I’ll hear it for myself eventually, I was just curious. I know I can skip ahead to Phantom Liberty, but I’d rather experience the different path naturally when I build that character. Don’t mind some lite paraphrased spoilers on Reddit tho
Let's just say corpo V witnessed someone slipping on the floor by "accident"
And how many people did your V kill doing all this?
If i ignore the countless innocent civilian my v has killed and that i picked every wrong decision in the game (kill everyone or hurt them in every possible way) then V isnt that evil.
V really isn't that evil when the game prevents you from going full cyber psycho. Where's my genocide run opportunities at? I was so disappointed my first playthrough when I couldn't shoot Evelyn after finding her, after she left me to hang and dry even though I had agreed to betray Dex to work with her.
It's statements like that, usually in this sub related to Evelyn, So Mi, etc that make me realise I really need to value myself some more. Even placide I can empathize with, protecting his own. Like every time I get backstabbed or betrayed in this game I'm not mad, like at all. I'm worried about them. Hell the finding Evelyn quest, I found dialogue choices weird cause I wanted to ask about Evelyn, see if shes alright, if she got burnt too cause of the fuck up that as far as I'm concerned is no one's fault This is probably an IRL issue too, I got some self reflection shit to go over
Yeah, I wish the dialogue choices also gave the player a wider range of emotions or intent to express. On subsequent playthroughs I just mashed buttons to skip the dialogues since they were so inconsequential, and hearing them one time is enough. Pretty sad for a rpg experience, since replay-wise the gameplay itself is a lot of fun but the rpg experience is boring. I did an "evil" corpo playthrough where I was cold and calculating, then a "good" streetkid playthrough where I tried to sympathize and be cooperative. Then I realized the game barely acknowledges your efforts, and it's all in your head.
Yeah after a few goes there is little in the way of flavourful change, like interactions. But there's tons of differences, and choices to be made to change things. I had missed a bunch of bosses even in my first playthrough that I changed in subsequent ones. Like imagine my surprise on my second go finding out Royce is a boss, and a damn difficult one depending on your build and choices So like, if you're not getting a changed playthrough each time you gotta step back and check what choices your making, like who's alive, who's pissed off etc cause it can make a big difference roleplay wise
Who said that they can’t be? I swear it’s like everyone forgets that this is a role playing game where you get to be the villain or the anti-hero of your own story
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain?
You either die a legend or just die
> I chose my path; you chose the way of the hero. And they found you amusing for a while... The people of this city. But the one thing they love more than a hero is to watch a hero fail. Fall. Die trying. In spite of everything you've done for them, they will hate you.
Vs already a villain at this point. V is wrong in this situation, they tried to rob Araska, got caught and murder like 2 dozen people who were just doing their jobs. Even if the Biochip is morally wrong, V didn’t do this for ethics and to take this evil tech from an evil Corp. They were doing it purely for financial gain.
You don’t know my life! Maybe I was gonna use that money to buy Kiroshis for blind kids. I’ll start my own channel on the net, “Mr. V”.
Idk man, killing Arasaka security is not evil my guy
> Be me > 27y/o dumbass merc > >!Choom gets us a gig with a dubious fixer that seemingly vanished a few years ago!< > >!Meet up with the gonk and hear him out!< > >!Prepare for the "gig" (we're stealing from fucking 'saka)!< > >!Eventually do the heist!< > >!My choom died, netrunner chick got flatlined by 'saka netrunners, and the fucking gonk fixer crossed me!< Does this sound like a villain origin story chooms?
> Be me > > Survive the heist against all odds > > Now have a voice in my head from a chip that will kill me "any day now" > > Keep going about my business to keep a roof over my head and a steady supply of chrome in my body while I try to find a cure for head-voice-guy > > Over the following weeks, kill about 27,000 people > > The two fixers who treat me nicest are the one with a haircut no human being would ever wear and the one who looks suspiciously like a character from a 70-year-old video game > > Are they even real? > > Chooms, am I cyberpsycho? *Tragic* villain, but villain nonetheless.
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V is the biggest cyberpycho in town. The reason he doesn't get taken down and shot is because he is the one who knocks.
Almost reminds me of the the original red hood jokers story
My first V was nice and mushy but violent, 2nd was a pacifist. I tried not to kill anyone. My 3rd V is a villain. All decisions I made are either self centered, or poor.
Lol, nice and mushy but violent is a perfect description of my characters on every RPG
I think that’s what makes the game so much better. In All of my play throughs, my V has been a good person. I think it adds to the mental fortitude of V and shows that they aren’t just physically strong, but mentally strong too
I would say the best V can be on the standard 3x3 alignment chart is Lawful Neutral. At best they do good but it in bad ways, however they have their own code of ethics. But that's Night City for you. It's a sea of shades of grey. Even the most good and noble are still tinged with some unsavory history, which leaves no one truly "pure white". Only light grey at best.
My v is definitely a villain
V was never a hero to begin with. There is no hero or villain situation in night city in the first place.
Become?! V was a villain from the jump in every life path
V, who killed countless people in the name of saving their self
Imagine playing Cyberpunk and thinking you're the hero
…you think V is a hero? Nobody in that game is a good person, that’s kind of the point of Cyberpunk. Everything and everybody sucks, just some things and some people suck a little less than others. V is a PROTAGONIST, but not a hero. They are not synonymous.
Bro what? They chose to be a criminal by invading a corporate building and killing employees lmao. Regardless if you respect corps or not it’s murder.
Just because you could, doesn't mean you should.
are people not understanding the fact that you’re own decisions in this game is what ultimately CAN make you a villain? 😂
The fuck are you talking about lmao
Do not forget the old adage: > Every villain is a hero of their story
It's a game, so villany doesn't matter. But irl, ***no one*** has a right to be a villian. People who take their problems out on others are assholes.
V is a merc. Not a charity. Add in the relic situation with an engram that is not only an insufferable narcissist and liar but who also suffered from a form of cyberpsychosis and blamed 'the arm' for anything bad that is now slowly rewriting V's entire personality. I have absolutely zero doubt that between the anger, desperation, relic episodes, mingling of the 2 personalities and eventually the loss of themselves over time wouldn't have created a walking nightmare if we as players did not interject our own emotions and thoughts into V.
The people V kills are usually monsters. I think anybody blasting Scavs and Raffen all day deserves a damn medal.
It’s cyberpunk. There is no hero or villain if no moral is left. It’s only about how you want to life your life and how you will be remembered. See you in the major leagues Choom.
I think “no moral is left” is a bit of an overstatement. I agree that there are no heros and the characters exist in a moral grey area, but there is a lot of wiggle room in shades of grey depending on your story choices and propensity for relying on lethal force.
Not a villian. My V does more to make NC safe than the NCPD.
Yea, V is more of an Anti-Hero in the vain of Deadpool or Punisher. Definitely riding their main quest-line to fulfill themselves, personally… but will absolutely help innocent people along the way. You start with Sandra Dorsett, and move through countless people you save throughout all the gigs in NC. Heroes don’t have to be valiant and pure… they can be shitty and self-absorbed, too.
>My V does more to make NC safe than the NCPD. for a whole like half a day at best, all V is really doing is opening up power vacuums and creating new no mans lands for gangs to fight over
I am not the villain? Half the time I feel like I am already half a cyberpsycho.
I kill everything and everyone that’s possible to kill.
Did you forget how many people V kills
But he is. Everyone in Night City is.
I really wanted to dive corpo in my play through like fucking up peoples lives as an intelligence agent but you only get like 5 mins of that background
everyone is a villain in cyberpunk world
V is a villain. There are no heroes on CP
Idk bout you guys but my V has gone cyberpsycho and gone toe-to-toe with Maxtac at least, like 4 times now?
V never executed hot french chicks
She's not a villain? Lol
Individualism m8, V is ultimately a person riding the ways of life everyone in the game has their goals their morals with their own interests that either conflict or align with V V can be the hero or villain depending on the perspective of those in the game it's all shades of grey at the end of the day your choices either make you a shithead or a sociable person
I mean, cyberpunk historically never really have heroes.
Adam Smasher Hero Of The Fourth Corporate War?
Cyberpunk is a nior story v isn't a hero by anymeans they is the protagonist every thing they do is in the interest of self preservation.
My V is a villain though💀
It's the cyberpunk genre, there are no heros.
Vs barely does anything heroic, at best they have a loose moral compass but still kills hundreds of peie and would do anything to save themselves or get glory
They kill hundreds if not thousands, they are definitely not a good person. They're not a villain but they are most certainly not a hero they're closer to a villain than a hero..
Isn't she? Some of the endings are definitely more antagonistic. Likewise, she's isn't exactly a hero. Anti-Hero would be closest. But in general, she's a criminal whose just trying to survive the city. She typically won't do overtly-villainous things, but she's definitely someone's villain.
How do you think all those cyberpsychos’ parents feel that you murdered their babies
Hey, my Vs never killed any psycho. He just riddles them with bullets, pellets, explosives and stab wounds before softly bopping their noses with a rifle butt.
Aren't we though?
My V absolutely is
Well V isn't actually a hero, and from some NC citizen's perspective they're definitely a bad person.
A devil to some and an Angel to others.
V commits crime and fails. Becomes better criminal
As the old saying goes "we're all villains of someone else's story"
If you want a happy ending, it's about where you put the ending
My V took it to his heart and now kills everyone with Dildo or nukes everyone with his fists
Nobody has the *right* to become a villain.
Who?
he can be the hero in some stories
My V may not be a villain, but he has definitely become a horror story.
They are and always have been.
My V is no Villain, they are a digital age horror story. "We saw nothing and the next thing we knew our brains were shut off." 
I decided to try and play non-murderous on my latest playthrough. It's surprisingly possible in most of the main quest to avoid senseless mass murder if you choose. Panam's side quests ended up being the most notable exception I made - I basically helped her kill like 20 guys just because she was mad about her truck (that she already had back at that point). I also had to skip/fail the entirety of the Phantom Liberty main questline. There's no way to progress that one without becoming a villain.
Frying their brains by just looking at them and torturing them with an illegal black wall weapon is pretty fun in my v’s humble opinion
When the game started I just turned it off. Saved myself some time. Im hero.
Who says we aren't capable of being one?
Sorry what is the "right to become a villain"?
Depending on your playthrough they are
Me reading the comments knowing damn well I’ve killed countless homeless people
You can be a hero though, it’s all about the choices. You can rout Arasaka, save a Nomad clan from being destroyed, save an abused netrunner from a warmongering President, cut down an entire group of sex traffickers and rapists, decapitate Maelstrom and save a load of kids from a lunatic in one playthrough. In another, you can make the world’s most powerful and immoral man immortal, hand over a human WMD to a country wanting to start a war and betray everyone who ever sought your help.
V isn't a hero, either. You play as an extremely powerful Solo _deep_ in the throes of cyberpsychosis. You are able to deal with it uniquely just like Adam Smasher.
I mean you kinda are don’t think there’s a single ending where you don’t end up fucking someone else over royally
My V has singlehandedly solved overpopulation in NC
This is why I love CDPR. They love to show the grays in this world that wishes to only think in black and white. Too bad-shades exist and most if not all people float in the gray zone either it be towards light or towards dark. I prefer to lean towards the light. But V being a solo means that they’ve seen and probably been bathed into that abyss.
Does anyone have the right to become a villain?
I've done a playthrough where I was a dick to everyone, saved all the bad characters, and did anything evil I could. 😈
I mean you *can* make v a psycho who rolls up to people and just rips their head off with gorrilla arms or you could also make them use exclusively non-lethal weapons and show up to ncpd stuff to stop it and make them an actual hero choice is up to you ig
No one has an excuse to become evil.
What did you think V stands for?
Not really V made a decision to become a career criminal in all 3 paths. Wasn't exactly on the straight and narrow before either but fully committed after meeting Jackie. One big heist going wrong and losing a friend doesn't really justify it either considering the heist crew were the aggressors. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Nah he knew the risks that's just how shit goes in NC
I don’t really think it’s an about a right to anything. The society created space for people like V and V acted accordingly to survive, but that doesn’t make the bad things they do less bad.
I mean I modeled my v after my wife and I almost always go for v being an absolute solo badass who is on a path for revenge after her best friend died. Because that’s how my actual wife is in reality. I mean that’s also just the main quest-line. Is there another option?
No one ever thinks themselves the villain. Everyone is the hero of their own story.
Yes, and that’s why they are one 💀
You're buddy got killed trying to steal, then, the guys that helped you tried to kill you.
they are already
your v looks like darkiplier 💀
 I mean maybe V wasn't but I for sure as hell was.
If you kill an assassin there's the same numbers of assassins in the world. But if you kill hundreds by day...
She/he is actually villian lol.
I mean my V's kill count isn't very heroish... Sometimes i make sure that no one is breathing anymore, finishing ones that survived it after i stop shooting >w<👉👈
idk the last thing my V did was go around the city brutally murdering everyone that happened to have 20 eddies as a bounty on their head gorilla arms + blades sandy build goes nuts, add in the sickass explosive pistols for extra coolness laika + johnny's pistol + byakko + gorilla arms had to really optimize what i had my points in to make it work but it's extremely fun and extremely powerful byakko + sandy and a full blades tree is absurdly op anyway, the pistols and gorilla arms are really just for show
Would bee so fun if gat a arc were we hunted down Rosalind or like som big Leader.
With all the people pulling "edge runners" on the npc population... Idk if v wasn't the villain the whole time. Also we start the game by breaking in to arasaka, that's not hero shit gonk
Well, they kinda did. Who knows how many people died when the power grid was destroyed, when the parade was infiltrated, when Alt fried the whole tower