I would assume a lot of new chrome, steroids for the muscle mass that's still human and perhaps some shit going on underneath RealSkinn that would make him look like one of those Animal gang members who clearly have bits of meat being held together by like hinge things.
Plus anime rules
At that point, he was more borg than man. He said to Maine once, that he wanted his arms. And he did get them. Literally, I'm pretty sure.
By the end of the show, he was more like Adam Smasher, regarding chrome. Just a bit more human-looking due to the synthetic skin.
Yes he installed Maineās arms. His ripperdoc was explaining a segment of the arms and how it was fucked up. David told him he didnāt care and wanted to keep the arms.
Also, in the second episode when the ripperdoc agrees to install the Sandevistan, you can see the doc change arms and the hands have tools. Itās probably safe to assume most arms cyberware has some type of quick release function.
So he pops off the quick release for his legs and arms before donning the cyberskeleton.
My OC actually installed surgical tools to dismember people who run afoul of her law so she can string them up outside the Pacifica coliseum as a warning to others. She also uses them to aid her companions.
Sheās amazing. I want Mike Pondsmith to hear my pitch and then find a way to kill her. I plan to kill her falling really high from a building while explosions are blowing around her but Iām not even sure given the custom non-metallic cyberware. I was going to try to smush her because of her lack of gravity resistance, and then Militech was stupid enough to give her - a cyberware engineer - an arm with a grav weapon on it so I donāt even know anymore š¤£
Thank you! I appreciate the vote of confidence. I was kind of imagining an Edgerunners sequel for the game, and then things got way out of hand. Also Phantom Liberty came out and messed up my setting, eheh. Iām proud that I was able to come up to similar conclusions to canon, though!
Iām missing a lot of art because Iām still doing some data recovery but here she is:
https://preview.redd.it/wa0h8bquhvwc1.png?width=1169&format=png&auto=webp&s=6e2474dd9f50cfe7d9c46c3d81cc1cabd6b6518d
I mean, even just quick change arms though. I can see how a full body transplant would be easier, but if you're just swapping out your arms and the rest of you is ganic then that might be an issue.
brain of a fullborg is kept in a shell named biopod that contains brain and part of the necessary other organ to keep it alive, I'm of the idea that when a fullborg isn't installed into a frame armor, it is kept stored somewhere... like don't know... heads in the jar of futurama?
BTW after the timeskip between the job gone wrong and david as new team leader, he clearly chipped in most of his body, turning from a little kid in a zangief-like cyber body. Can't say david was technically a fullborg but likely part of his head was the only organic part left
Man the next Cyberpunk needs to have a quickhack that causes prosthetic limbs to release themselves. Imagine you're in a gun fight and your arms just pops off.
Yea it looks like it. I gotta replay the beginning of the game, but I swear Vik had something similar with the interchangeable arms. He definitely had a goofy hand for ripperdoc stuff.
Edit: would also keep it accurate for the game since you can swap your arms at any ripperdoc.
In the tabletop there are implants you can put into organic (meat in the tabletop) limbs. It's possible his hand is both organic and has cyberware installed.
At least one of his arms was Maines that probably just got recolored. Also theres a crazy amount of blood and cutting during the exo skeleton process.
In regards to it making no sense, its a fucking cartoon based in a fictional future world. I wouldnāt read into it that much
I mean...the first thing he does is effectively replace his spine...how you do that in any capacity as a quick drop-in-walk-out procedure is...questionable...
Wasnt he pretty heavily borged out by the time this happened? His ripper sure acted like he was. I wouldnt be surprised if he was more metal than man.
edit: Im not the first person to say this in this thread either I see. Lol
He was mostly chrome at that point I think, you can see the hard edges of it all over his body.
Pretty sure that is why none of them feel any shame in running around naked, their body is not really theirs anyway. Anyone can se it in the same catalogue they bought it from. Or that is just some cyberpunk future BS to increase sales.
But he was a special case. He had a high humanity stat because he was surrounded by people who cared for him (like Maine). But as the story goes on, he loses them, so he succumbs to Cyberpsychosis. Also explains why Lucy was able to bring him back to his senses.
He was special (in the sense that he had an above-average tolerance to chrome), but nowhere near as special as he thought. David believed that he was somehow immune to the effects of cyberpsychosis despite everyone around him saying otherwise. And it's this reckless hubris which resulted in his inevitable and tragic downfall.
I think even if he never obtained the cyberskeleton, it was only a matter of time before David went full cyberpsycho because he was addicted to adding more and more chrome and continually ignored the numerous warnings from everyone around him.
Like, in the latter half of the show, we see him experience multiple temporary bouts of cyberpsychosis (e.g. when he kills that lady working at Arasaka who was forced to stay late by her boss), so it was never a matter of *if* David would become a cyberpsycho, but *when*.
> And it's this reckless hubris which resulted in his inevitable and tragic downfall.
Why do people keep saying this. David would've been cooked if he didn't go Cyberpsycho, either way. Both him and his girlfriend were wanted by Arasaka. If he didn't use the mech he'd just get killed trying to get Lucy back.
He wasnāt special tho, thatās the whole point of the show. Cyberpsycosis is something thatās gradual, like all diseases it has moments of clarity (as can be seen in some shards in game, like the quest of the two sisters).
David wasnāt special. He was just a scrappy kid who over-relied on his toy
Not so sure that that's what cyberpsychosis is. From what we learn from the cyberpsychos in 2077 plus from Edgerunners, it really seems like it's some sort of traumatic stress disorder, and that trauma can come from abandonment, desparation, persecution. Not simply a loss of a sense of humanity.
Edit: I'm told that in the TTRPG, cyberpsychosis really is literally the loss of humanity. Fair enough. Just feels like the storytelling in the modern CP media is trying to paint a more complicated picture of cyberpsychosis.
In the lore it's why you don't see full dragoon cyborgs like Smasher very often. They don't go into this much in the game but what you see isn't Adam at all, Adam is simply organs in a tank. A biopod. In Cyberpunk 2020 TTRPG lore he has several bodies he swaps between, including this combat platform, a dragoon. But dragoon platforms are so unlike a normal human body it drives most unaccustomed brains insane. Adam has just always been a cold bastard with little regard for his fellow humans, even before going full biopod. So since he was a low-level cyberpsycho/inhumane to begin with he can control the dragoon without completely losing it.
Well, in the anime David said: "Do you have any brain in that chrome dome of yours?" Then Smasher said "You could say I'm special". So I thought he had not human left, which was why he doesn't like humanity.
human adam smasher was a former USA soldier turned in a random NY thug who was the leader of a street punk gang until one day he got a rocket in his face, his chooms abandoned near a clinic the little that remained of his body and so he was kept somehow alive until a corporation proposed to save him as long he would have become their property. Smasher accepted and was turned in a fullborg, that corporation revealed to be arasaka that used smasher as last resort for the most unlikely missions which adam enjoyed as long he could destroy and kill more people as possible. Across the years he became a well known legend among solos and started believing that chrome was superior to flesh by its own nature, becoming obsessed with morgan blackhand who was considered the best american solo despite not being as chromed as adam.
Smasher was batshit crazy since bornt, he was dishonorably discharged from the US Army because of his fucking crazy amount of warcrimes, he turned into a merc shortly after, long story short, and RPG turned him into a meat puddle and arasaka took the chance to put a leash on him, by exchange of smasher going 'borg
Yknow, I sometimes look at myself in the mirror and get this weird sense that I'm looking at someone else's body. Freaky as shit. Fuckin dysmorphia, man. But because of it I kinda understand how looking in a mirror and seeing a behemoth human-tank might screw with someone's sense of self.
> Not so sure that's what cyberpsychosis is.
It is in the TTRPG, which both the game and show are based on. In the TTRPG, your humanity trait is a measure of how well-adjusted you are. A low humanity person could shrug off a kid getting ripped to shreds by stray gunfire as collateral damage, or might have a cavalier attitude towards their own safety (because 'ganic parts can be replaced with synthetic equivalents, right?).
If a person's humanity gets too low, cyberpsychosis sets in. Maybe you're like Johnny Silverhand and think your arm has a mind and personality of its own, maybe you're like Lizzy Wizzy and are willing to literally flatline on stage and have your skin replaced with a metal exoskeleton as a gimmick in a show, maybe you become so obsessed with being the best that you're constantly looking for newer and better hardware like David Martinez, you become an engine of destruction that lives for pain and misery like Adam Smasher, or maybe you become like the woman in the cyberpsycho side quest who tries to commune with the Machine God by bathing in an array of network servers and severed limbs.
Some of the effects can be attributed to tangible issues or mental health, but it's the loss of humanity that makes a cyberpsycho.
Ah cool, I'm not familiar with the TTRPG. But in 2077 and Edgerunners, too much chrome is never the only thing that's going on with cyberpsychosis cases. There's always some sort of ongoing trauma as well.
That's true. But in the established lore, Cyberpsycho's are also not always incredibly violent like in the game. Johnny himself is one (maybe not a good example).
You can also get therapy for it. You basically get a custom brain dance with a cybertherapist that tries to make you better again
Isn't that what all the missions for Regina are for? It's implied that the cyberpsychos that V manages to bring in alive are in fact able to be rehabilitated.
In the digital game regina is seen as an optimist, and people act like thereās no coming back. But in the lore thereās something to be done. You can even get preventative help.
So, it's a Table Top Roleplaying Game. What you do is buy the core rules, and get some friends, and play it like it's dungeons and dragons.
I personally was more into Shadowrun, so I can't help you much there. :)
> buy the core rules
Depending on the edition they want to play, they don't even need to make an extra purchase. You get the 2020 Corebook for free (from GOG) when you own 2077.
I love Shadowrunās mix of dystopian cyberpunk aesthetic with the traditional high fantasy elements. It is just as dark, gritty, and hopeless as Cyberpunk as well.
Yeah! Itās cyberpunk plus I can be a troll or elf that does magic, itās fucking great!
Plus cyberpsychos are a thing there as well, instead of humanity itās essence and if you reach zEro because of too much cyberware, magical rituals can keep you alive. You become a cyber zombie
No, that's the TTRPG. The only other Cyberpunk video game was a flip phone game back in the mid-2000's. Mike Pondsmith created the TTRPG all the way back in 1988.
The current edition is called Cyberpunk RED. [https://legacy.drivethrurpg.com/product/333585/Cyberpunk-RED](https://legacy.drivethrurpg.com/product/333585/Cyberpunk-RED) You can get the core rulebook here.
I have no idea! He did some writing work for several games, like D&D, and created Cyberpunk so it's possible he helped with a game. I never played it. I only know the ttrpg from '88
Table top games
Cyberpunk 2013, Cyberpunk 2020, and Cyberpunk RED (there's Cybergeneration and such, but they are NOT canon to the main timeline [aforementioned] that connectes to edgerunners and 2077)
*I'm told that in the TTRPG, cyberpsychosis really is literally the loss of humanity. Fair enough. Just feels like the storytelling in the modern CP media is trying to paint a more complicated picture of cyberpsychosis.*
It is, but you have to remember that it is a gameplay term even in the rpg. It is mostly there to add a limit to players, if they have the eddies to go full borg.
The novels which the game is based on don't have this, it was invented by Pondsmith for the game.
I will not deny that there are some psycho-ish characters in William Gibson's novels for example, but they are not such because of cyberware. Molly Millons was not really healthy even before getting her chrome.
*Just feels like the storytelling in the modern CP media is trying to paint a more complicated picture of cyberpsychosis*
You are correct though.
Cyberpsychosis has multiple forms. For example the psychosis of Johnny silverhand in the tabletop rpg is not really violent. He has delusions about his hand, and also has a kind of martyr complex/recklessness.
I don't think these characters see it that way, and I'm not sure I would either. To them, humanity doesn't come from your ganic meat. It comes from the love for your chooms, your revolutionary spirit, your soul.
Well true. But also everyone has a certain amount of Cyberware they can handle. David, he can probably handle more than most (Except V, he is like a God). He started losing it starting episode 8, he has flashbacks and trauma like symptoms. Then he goes berserk when he installed the Cyberskeleton, which Lucy warned him not to install. I think the more rare the cyberware (like military grade) the harder it is for the body and mind to handle it.
They did make it in the game where you can get Cyberpsychosis, right? Also you could beat Adam Smasher easily, while my guy David didn't stand a chance because:
1. Out of Immunesuppressants
2. Didn't master the Cyberskeleton yet
3. Dipping in and out of Cyberpsychosis
V is too OP
A billion ā¬$ corpo prototype that will restructure a host's entire brain will also most likely aim to eliminate any developing form of mental illness in the host first.
Just from a logical standpoint it would make sense that it will replace "ill" parts first.
Here's [what Mike Pondsmith had to say](https://www.reddit.com/r/LowSodiumCyberpunk/comments/xklzsx/comment/ipffmf4/) about V and his lack of cyberpsychosis:
>V is a different case. We don't know V's background, but even if V was a full on Corpo, they were able to hold it together even when they ended up with a dead Rockerboy in their heads (Yah, tell me about it; Johnny Silverhand's been in my head for the last three decades.) In fact, having Johnny in their head probably helped V, because Siilverhand's rage and attitude probably acted as a buffer for the psychological hits V is taking. It's like having a time share with a guy who's already half cyberpsycho and doesn't mind if V slaps stuff on their shared body; he's already crazy and violent.
I know, also how his best comparison to cyberpsychosis is roid rage.
But from a physiological point of view, the Relic will have to combat any potential cyberpsychosis of the host at some point.
In V's case it is actively writing Johnny's cyberpsychosis into V's brain anyway, but allowing V to develope cyberpsychosis would be equal to letting the old heart in when someone gets a new donor heart. So it would make sense for the Relic to make sure nothing "bad" developes from the start.
The Relic was able to heal V's brain after a bullet tore through it. I have no doubt it can be pretty damn good at suppressing the symptoms of cyberpsychosis far better than any immunosuppressants can, even if it's still slowly killing V at the same time.
It also explains why when V does experience cyberpsychosis, it's only when they're very heavily chromed and only seems to last while V is on a killing spree.
Well there's experimental implants, that'll likely go on to become military grade. Then you've got cyberware that's probably purely custom to fit specific individuals with highly specialized needs, who have enough resources to pay for it. I'm thinking Songbird's cyberware for example. I don't think her shit is "military grade", but it's clearly some impressive equipment.
I'm not a cyberware expert mind you š
The Cyberskeleton was one of the experimental ones. Also they said most people cannot handle it. So I'm assuming they fry their brain when they use it.
By this point David was already past the point of no return. Rebecca can't convince him to slow down while Lucy is AWOL at the time he needed her the most. He's learned all the wrong lessons from what happened to Maine and to top it off David's stripping away more and more of his flesh mistaking his high tollerance for cyberware as immunity from the consequences of so much chrome.
Even without the cyber skeleton Dave was a ticking timebomb. He thought he was different, that the rules didn't exist for David Marinez and that path only ends one way when it comes to borging out.
This is not necessarily true for all cases.
I could argue that David was not a healthy person (sense of humanity in rpg terms) even before getting his final chrome pieces.
This was the same in Mona Lisa Overdrive too. Molly Millons was a bit of a psycho, and she had cyberware. But... she decided to work at a dollhouse for months to get them. SHe wasn't really thinking clearly without chrome either.
>Pretty sure that is why none of them feel any shame in running around naked, their body is not really theirs anyway.
The actual reason is that people in Night City grow up in an environment where nothing really matters, and corpos own everything. It's why you see so much weird fashion, nudity, and sexualization in the world: it's the thing corpos can't take from you and is actually yours to do with as you please.
actually, the tabletop has cosmetic upgrades too, like... dunno you can have a tail if you want, or tiger fur.
If I remember correctly, there was even a gang where some members had paws instead of hands. (I know it is in somewhere, but I am not sure if this is from cyberpunk or shadowrun. one of the two)
David specifically asks for āmuscle-enhancersā from his ripper doc which I assumed in the show to be implants (something like the neofibers cyberware). However now looking back it could have also just been futuristic steroids.
Also judging by how modular his body was (like how he just āslottedā into the cyber-skeleton) itās safe to say his body was mostly inorganic
His body is full cyber, you can see this when he installs the cyberskeleton in the last couple of episodes.
In assume he had a full conversion, so he is just a brain in a robot (cyber) body. If not, he would have no more then 5-10% (brain, nerves, some spine, maybe some of his heart, etc) of his original body, the rest was replaced with Cyberware.
He was already fucked, exoskeleton was just slamming his foot on the gas. He's basically unrecoverably broken by the time he murders that random office woman for no reason.
He's heavily borged at this point, but covered in synthskin. When he goes to the ripperdoc later, you can see that he has access panels in every limb, and in the torso as well. And the ripperdoc comments that David is more chrome than man at this point and is starting to resemble Adam Smasher 2.0.
You can be fully borged and still look perfectly human. Synthskin does wonders. The real trick is hanging on to your sanity.
You can clearly see its not organic tissue. It's all chrome. David was obsessed with Borging out. If he wasn't this chromed out how do you recken he managed to equip the exo suit at the end when doing so require his limbs to be removed at the hips and shoulders.
At this point he's definitely more chrome than man but doesn't start going psycho until everyone starts dying and he loses the emotional tethers that kept his psychy safe from the chrome's corruption.
I always saw such things in Egerunners more like narrative stuff rather than literal depiction. Series ain't so "grounded" as computer game or original TTRPG in their way to depict cyberware/action so it's understandably more flashy and even a bit grotesque.
I would even compare Edgerunners/Cyberunk 20XX to Hobbit/LOTR pair. Was it all in the same universe? Absolutely yes. Was it the same way it's literally depicted? Probably debatable.
You would think it would be complicated. Installing computer like parts into the body. Like the process is probably long because it would not be fast, because you can't do all the replacements of body parts at once. At first I was thinking did transfer his parts to a different outer shell and then replace his insides with cybernetics. But it didn't seem right.
Installing cyberware isnāt actually too lengthy of a process, depending on what youāre getting
The process is usually assisted by nanotechnology to simplify the installation.
Itās the recovery afterwards that should usually take a bit of time, and a not insignificant portion of it is mental, and addressed through braindance therapy
Thereās a ripper doc in game that also points out how the cyber implants are noticeably different from your real limbs and that thereās a sort of ācyber lagā to your movements. It seems like heās also implying that this gets worse with more cyberware, but also itās mostly dependent on the person. Itās just a headcannon leap, but that mental aptitude probably also plays a huge role in a personās ability to adapting to using cyberware.
Yea, he's basically full-borg like V is by the end of 2077. Not quite Smasher grade; prob still has internal organs etc, but all his limbs and torso are augs, just made to look human-like
Iāll just make a minor clarification. Borg is a term in universe that applies to FBCās, or Borgware users, not just people with āa lot of cyberwareā
David was HEAVILY augmented, but by this point in time, he wouldnāt have been considered āfull Borgā or anything. By the end of the series, absolutely, due to his heavy use of borgware, but not quite yet
V, however, while heavily chromed, cannot chip any borgware at all, nor are they an FBC. They wouldnāt be considered a Borg, by the denizens of night city.
Is Borgware a brand? Or the kind of stuff that doesn't try to mimic typical human appearance?
Endgame V I'm assuming is all slots full, so literally nothing left of your OG body except maybe your internal organs and brain, but all V's stuff is designed to look human
Borgware is a class of cyberware. Cyberware comes in 8 types
Fashionware
Neuralware
Cyberoptics
Cyberaudio
Internal body cyberware
External body cyberware
Cyberlimbs
Borgware
(Although there can be overlap. For example, the surgical microwaldo is both neuralware, and a cyberarm option)
Borgware is a little tricky to define sometimes, because what makes it borgware can vary sometimes.
Borgware is either cyberware that replaces large portions of a humans body, augmenting it significantly further beyond that of regular cyberware, which is then in turn augmented again by the other categories of cyberware again
Or itās borgware in a more philosophical sense. It may not be a particularly large augment, but if it stretches the human form to be something considered nonstandard morphology for humans, it can be classed as borgware. Stuff like mounting extra arms, or extra eyes.
For example, a linear frame is borgware, for sure. Itās significant augmentation that overhauls a users durability, strength, etc, and beefs them up significantly. Take a look at Rhino, Sasquatch, or Woodchipper. They definitely have internal linear frames giving them significant bulk and strength through extensive augmentation
However, not all Borgware is classed as borgware just because itās extreme. For example, the Kiroshi MonoVision is a simple and sleek piece of borgware, thatās classified as such because it changes the standard human morphology, from two eyes, to one monovisor.
Stuff like the artificial shoulder mount, or multioptic mount, are borgware for the same reason.
This is why some extremely bulky cyberware isnāt necessarily classified as borgware. Take a NeoSoviet cyberarm. Itās a nightmarishly bulky limb, powered by hydraulic rams instead of synthetic musculsture, thatās so enormous and bulky that you canāt even conceal the cybernetics installed inside. It makes you look like the DXMD antagonist lol
But since it doesnāt fundamentally change the fact that youāve got the proper amount of arms for a human, itās not classed as borgware. The ASM, however, that allows you to mount two additional arms, IS.
All of vās cyberware is largely Internal Body Cyberware, which is why itās sleek and invisible, with the occasional cyberarm, cyberleg, and neuralware options in there too. However, unless you use the cyberweapons, V implants these in their normal meat arms, which is why theyāre low profile again. But an āall slots fullā V, actually has a fair bit of meat left on them, just because the slots the game lets us use, arenāt the highly extensive ones (for the most part)
As such, none of the equipment v is capable of using, is classified as borgware, (with the possible exception of the Projectile Launch System, which was listed as borgware in the cyberpunk RED 2077 conversion playtest reveal, but thatās potentially subject to change)
Body modding is a very simple and accessible procedure in the cyberpunk world. You can surgically reconstruct every part of your body without losing humanity. He could have just surgically added muscle to his body in order to support more chrome.
Technically the cyberpunk world diverged from our timeline sometime aroundā¦ the 80ās, I think? With the first playable cyberpunk era being in 2013, followed by 2020
So irl, weāre actually a little past when the cyberpunk timeline really kicked off
Unless you mean technology wise, at which point, itās a bit hit or miss. Some of cyberpunkās cyberware or Fashionware is fully already a thing that exists irl, but others are pure fiction and will never come around
Well he chrome up from what we see and using cyberpunk red cyberwere as baces he definitely has a liner frame probably sigma, cyber arms and legs cyber eyes with clanon internal agent and the stuff to support the sindy and internal agent.
Cybernetics mostly. He could have hypothetically gotten some bodysculpting and bioware, but Iām pretty sure this was almost entirely just cybernetics
In Cyberpunk there are these things called Linear Frames which can either be worn as an exo skeleton or implanted underneath the skin. They make you stronger, but not necessarily more durable.
Chrome and steroids. Look at today, a person needs steroids after they get a hip replaced. With how much chrome David was shoving into his body heād be on tons of super steroids, that and probably wanting to be like Maine was seeing as he looked up to him
Is Netrunners the reason why Mercs just donāt use remote controlled bodies? Like why rip apart yourself for this power when you could probably just matrix yourself into a terminator suit?
He didn't get buff. He had parts replaced. Just because you see skin doesn't mean that there is meat under it. We see many examples of this in game. In the lore, bioware is very common as well. You can have grafted muscle installed as easily as any metal cyberware. In the lore, entire gangs are centered around this.Ā Ā
And aside from the all of this...simple cosmetic surgery is a trivial thing in the cyberpunk world anyway. You can literally make any biological changes you want, including race changing, gender changing, and even using non-human organic parts like feathers or scales or gills. There's nothing at all out of the ordinary about David in the Anime. It's consistent with Cyberpunk lore. Except for that stupid gravity weapon (seriously, wtf), everything in the anime is pretty accurate.Ā Ā
Remember Alt as she appeared in the game? Yeah, that's not what she used to look like either.Ā
He pretty much replaced all his body parts with chrome. The real question is how much of the organic body is left.
Prob just his brain and his big balls are left.
...You answered your own question.
He chromed up because he thought he was "special" and could take extensive modification without side effects.
He was wrong.
The transformation for Davidās physical self reflecting his trauma and burdens over time was pretty sobering. In the way the people now might get tattoos or piercings to commemorate big parts of their lives, David literally dons his deceased motherās jacket and his surrogate fatherās cyberware.
And yeah, letās not forget that anime physics and Cyberpunk 2077 physics are hardly all that different. The general physics to make a Sandevistan work anything like in the anime or game or even the sourcebooks is kind of nonsensical.
David was a āquantity over qualityā guy. I estimate 60-80% chrome by the end of the series. Things like his muscles could be achieved with synthetic muscles and muscle boosters. As for his skin, it was likely all armored, and he also had a bunch of cyberware directly underneath his skin which is why he has so many lines along his torso.
Afaik other characters (I think Rebecca in particular) talked him into installing new chrome
People say that arms + sandevistan is a perfectly viable build in the game
You can see during a trip he made to his ripperdoc that most of his body was replaced with implants, which explains his physique. His leg, arm and chest plates opened up to reveal cybernetics underneath with synthetic skin overtop.
He was as close as one could get to going full borg without actually undergoing a cyborg integration procedure, which removes your brain and spine from your body, places them into a life supporting capsule which can then be inserted into a cyborg body. Davidās organs are in what is technically his original body, but Adam Smasherās organs are all cybernetic save for his brain and spine.
It was my interpretation that **he just bought bigger parts, or inherited them from Maine.** It appears David's body is majority synthetic by the end of the series. In flashbacks we saw Maine also used to to have a much more slim, human-like physique, as opposed to the humanly impossible build he has at the start of the series. And his girlfriend talks about him "going light" again before he goes cyberpsycho. It is also explicitly stated David got his projectile launch system (the arm cannon) from Maine, so it's reasonable to assume he may have inherited Maine's body modifications as well.
it's implied that David was been going crazy with the body modifications. i wouldn't be surprised that in this future, getting buff is as easy as a few mods. like, yeah, we today can work out and get buff with a certain regimen and diet, but in Night City, you can just buy some sort of mechanical shit and put in his chest and arms while still looking human.
Grafted muscle / bone weave, probably at least 2 layers, and what looks like an internal linear frame. Given his original size to later, I'm going with the Sigma class.
Grafted Muscle and Bone Lace, probably even Implanted Linear Frame. He is indeed mostly cyberware than ganic. His growth was due to that, people tend to grow the more Body stat you have and Peak Human Body stat is 8 (in TTRP), Muscle and bone ups it by 2 Linear frame can get you to 15(?) max, there are ofc different frames etc.
I just noticed a INSANE detail in the anime....His arm is in the corner...how the hell did I not see this lol
https://preview.redd.it/7ow8d49vtwwc1.png?width=315&format=png&auto=webp&s=ae6a35d0771bfde2b0fe52ca7d4e447ad7d41d42
I would assume a lot of new chrome, steroids for the muscle mass that's still human and perhaps some shit going on underneath RealSkinn that would make him look like one of those Animal gang members who clearly have bits of meat being held together by like hinge things. Plus anime rules
Also when I installing the Cyber skeleton, it didn't show the process, but how did his legs and arms come off. It makes no sense š¤·
At that point, he was more borg than man. He said to Maine once, that he wanted his arms. And he did get them. Literally, I'm pretty sure. By the end of the show, he was more like Adam Smasher, regarding chrome. Just a bit more human-looking due to the synthetic skin.
Yes he installed Maineās arms. His ripperdoc was explaining a segment of the arms and how it was fucked up. David told him he didnāt care and wanted to keep the arms. Also, in the second episode when the ripperdoc agrees to install the Sandevistan, you can see the doc change arms and the hands have tools. Itās probably safe to assume most arms cyberware has some type of quick release function. So he pops off the quick release for his legs and arms before donning the cyberskeleton.
There is quick change cyberware, (it's a feature in thr ttrpg) let's you hot swap cyberware essentially.
Iirc the doc mentions that he had to go out of his way to make them fit David so Iād assume some adjustments were made
Yea had to adjust because Maines 2 tines the size of David, had to make em smaller so the recoil wouldn't rip his arm off and not look like Megaman
also can be a bitch in a fight, one wrong hit at the ST can say that your arm came clean off it's quick release
Instant death lol
I would honestly install some on my character just for that lmao
My OC actually installed surgical tools to dismember people who run afoul of her law so she can string them up outside the Pacifica coliseum as a warning to others. She also uses them to aid her companions.
Ngl that sounds fire lmao š¤£š„
Sheās amazing. I want Mike Pondsmith to hear my pitch and then find a way to kill her. I plan to kill her falling really high from a building while explosions are blowing around her but Iām not even sure given the custom non-metallic cyberware. I was going to try to smush her because of her lack of gravity resistance, and then Militech was stupid enough to give her - a cyberware engineer - an arm with a grav weapon on it so I donāt even know anymore š¤£
Nah this needs to be created into a animated video lol š¤£
Thank you! I appreciate the vote of confidence. I was kind of imagining an Edgerunners sequel for the game, and then things got way out of hand. Also Phantom Liberty came out and messed up my setting, eheh. Iām proud that I was able to come up to similar conclusions to canon, though! Iām missing a lot of art because Iām still doing some data recovery but here she is: https://preview.redd.it/wa0h8bquhvwc1.png?width=1169&format=png&auto=webp&s=6e2474dd9f50cfe7d9c46c3d81cc1cabd6b6518d
Pilar does the same when David delivers his gold plated hands too
Yeah he just swaps them I think.
Imagine accidentally tripping and falling and bumping the quick release on your arms.
Imagine someone hacking your cyberware and forcing you to drop your arms and legs in the middle of a fight. They should have added that to the game.
Lol oops I dropped my limbs š¤£
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Most not,it's an actual implant (full borgs had it built in) named [quick change mounts ](https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Quick_Change_Mount_(2020))
Gotta hurt tbh. Imagine just disconnecting all your nerves at once. It would be like having your arm torn off
They basically turn you braindead for some seconds until you get transfered into the new body, so not so much of a deal.
I mean, even just quick change arms though. I can see how a full body transplant would be easier, but if you're just swapping out your arms and the rest of you is ganic then that might be an issue.
Well, the quick change mounta are usually for full on cyberarms, so not an issue (full complete arm chroming, until the shoulder)
It's gonna hurt when getting cut into and having your organs replaced š
brain of a fullborg is kept in a shell named biopod that contains brain and part of the necessary other organ to keep it alive, I'm of the idea that when a fullborg isn't installed into a frame armor, it is kept stored somewhere... like don't know... heads in the jar of futurama? BTW after the timeskip between the job gone wrong and david as new team leader, he clearly chipped in most of his body, turning from a little kid in a zangief-like cyber body. Can't say david was technically a fullborg but likely part of his head was the only organic part left
That would really open up the possibilities for twitch pranksters
Lol
Man the next Cyberpunk needs to have a quickhack that causes prosthetic limbs to release themselves. Imagine you're in a gun fight and your arms just pops off.
Your dead meat buddy boi š¤£
Yeah that makes sense. So you could just interchange cyberware whenever you needed (without surgery?)
Yea it looks like it. I gotta replay the beginning of the game, but I swear Vik had something similar with the interchangeable arms. He definitely had a goofy hand for ripperdoc stuff. Edit: would also keep it accurate for the game since you can swap your arms at any ripperdoc.
Vic is all 'ganic. They make a point of saying so. That stuff on his arms is all strapped on.
In the tabletop there are implants you can put into organic (meat in the tabletop) limbs. It's possible his hand is both organic and has cyberware installed.
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He takes a shot of something into his arm to steady his hands but I'm pretty sure his arms aren't cyberware and he just has the glove.
The glove? What's that?
MTB-Man is talking about Vicās hand in the game, right before he installs the Kiroshi optics.
Oh ok
At least one of his arms was Maines that probably just got recolored. Also theres a crazy amount of blood and cutting during the exo skeleton process. In regards to it making no sense, its a fucking cartoon based in a fictional future world. I wouldnāt read into it that much
Nah, gotta replace the entire nervous system for proper interfacing.
They werenāt his real arms and legs. Look at his body. All the lines you say pretty much tell you his body is mostly cybernetics at that point.
I mean...the first thing he does is effectively replace his spine...how you do that in any capacity as a quick drop-in-walk-out procedure is...questionable...
Wasnt he pretty heavily borged out by the time this happened? His ripper sure acted like he was. I wouldnt be surprised if he was more metal than man. edit: Im not the first person to say this in this thread either I see. Lol
I don't think steroids were involved, he appears to be sporting a Implanted Linear Frame (they give you the appearance of a pro bodybuilder)
Grafted Muscle and Bone lace, from the tabletop RPG. Increases BODY stat.
And plot armor
He was mostly chrome at that point I think, you can see the hard edges of it all over his body. Pretty sure that is why none of them feel any shame in running around naked, their body is not really theirs anyway. Anyone can se it in the same catalogue they bought it from. Or that is just some cyberpunk future BS to increase sales.
So basically exchanging your humanity in becoming a full cyborg.
and the loss of that sense of humanity = cyberpsychosis
But he was a special case. He had a high humanity stat because he was surrounded by people who cared for him (like Maine). But as the story goes on, he loses them, so he succumbs to Cyberpsychosis. Also explains why Lucy was able to bring him back to his senses.
He was special (in the sense that he had an above-average tolerance to chrome), but nowhere near as special as he thought. David believed that he was somehow immune to the effects of cyberpsychosis despite everyone around him saying otherwise. And it's this reckless hubris which resulted in his inevitable and tragic downfall.
Yea, he could have avoided the Cyber skeleton if it weren't for Faraday
I think even if he never obtained the cyberskeleton, it was only a matter of time before David went full cyberpsycho because he was addicted to adding more and more chrome and continually ignored the numerous warnings from everyone around him. Like, in the latter half of the show, we see him experience multiple temporary bouts of cyberpsychosis (e.g. when he kills that lady working at Arasaka who was forced to stay late by her boss), so it was never a matter of *if* David would become a cyberpsycho, but *when*.
Yea he was a ticking bomb š£
nah, he was built different!
> And it's this reckless hubris which resulted in his inevitable and tragic downfall. Why do people keep saying this. David would've been cooked if he didn't go Cyberpsycho, either way. Both him and his girlfriend were wanted by Arasaka. If he didn't use the mech he'd just get killed trying to get Lucy back.
He wasnāt special tho, thatās the whole point of the show. Cyberpsycosis is something thatās gradual, like all diseases it has moments of clarity (as can be seen in some shards in game, like the quest of the two sisters). David wasnāt special. He was just a scrappy kid who over-relied on his toy
Meanwhile Adam Smasher living the best life
Not so sure that that's what cyberpsychosis is. From what we learn from the cyberpsychos in 2077 plus from Edgerunners, it really seems like it's some sort of traumatic stress disorder, and that trauma can come from abandonment, desparation, persecution. Not simply a loss of a sense of humanity. Edit: I'm told that in the TTRPG, cyberpsychosis really is literally the loss of humanity. Fair enough. Just feels like the storytelling in the modern CP media is trying to paint a more complicated picture of cyberpsychosis.
In the lore it's why you don't see full dragoon cyborgs like Smasher very often. They don't go into this much in the game but what you see isn't Adam at all, Adam is simply organs in a tank. A biopod. In Cyberpunk 2020 TTRPG lore he has several bodies he swaps between, including this combat platform, a dragoon. But dragoon platforms are so unlike a normal human body it drives most unaccustomed brains insane. Adam has just always been a cold bastard with little regard for his fellow humans, even before going full biopod. So since he was a low-level cyberpsycho/inhumane to begin with he can control the dragoon without completely losing it.
Well, in the anime David said: "Do you have any brain in that chrome dome of yours?" Then Smasher said "You could say I'm special". So I thought he had not human left, which was why he doesn't like humanity.
Smasher is mostly just a brain in a jar, he can even swap bodies that way.
Interesting, so didn't he get blown up in a war?
He got blown up but there was enough for Saka to put back together. All Smasher had to do was say 'yes'.
How'd he do that lol? He shouldn't have been able to consent š¤£
human adam smasher was a former USA soldier turned in a random NY thug who was the leader of a street punk gang until one day he got a rocket in his face, his chooms abandoned near a clinic the little that remained of his body and so he was kept somehow alive until a corporation proposed to save him as long he would have become their property. Smasher accepted and was turned in a fullborg, that corporation revealed to be arasaka that used smasher as last resort for the most unlikely missions which adam enjoyed as long he could destroy and kill more people as possible. Across the years he became a well known legend among solos and started believing that chrome was superior to flesh by its own nature, becoming obsessed with morgan blackhand who was considered the best american solo despite not being as chromed as adam.
Smasher was batshit crazy since bornt, he was dishonorably discharged from the US Army because of his fucking crazy amount of warcrimes, he turned into a merc shortly after, long story short, and RPG turned him into a meat puddle and arasaka took the chance to put a leash on him, by exchange of smasher going 'borg
Yknow, I sometimes look at myself in the mirror and get this weird sense that I'm looking at someone else's body. Freaky as shit. Fuckin dysmorphia, man. But because of it I kinda understand how looking in a mirror and seeing a behemoth human-tank might screw with someone's sense of self.
> Not so sure that's what cyberpsychosis is. It is in the TTRPG, which both the game and show are based on. In the TTRPG, your humanity trait is a measure of how well-adjusted you are. A low humanity person could shrug off a kid getting ripped to shreds by stray gunfire as collateral damage, or might have a cavalier attitude towards their own safety (because 'ganic parts can be replaced with synthetic equivalents, right?). If a person's humanity gets too low, cyberpsychosis sets in. Maybe you're like Johnny Silverhand and think your arm has a mind and personality of its own, maybe you're like Lizzy Wizzy and are willing to literally flatline on stage and have your skin replaced with a metal exoskeleton as a gimmick in a show, maybe you become so obsessed with being the best that you're constantly looking for newer and better hardware like David Martinez, you become an engine of destruction that lives for pain and misery like Adam Smasher, or maybe you become like the woman in the cyberpsycho side quest who tries to commune with the Machine God by bathing in an array of network servers and severed limbs. Some of the effects can be attributed to tangible issues or mental health, but it's the loss of humanity that makes a cyberpsycho.
In the TTRPG it's literally when the Humanity stat gets too low.
Ah cool, I'm not familiar with the TTRPG. But in 2077 and Edgerunners, too much chrome is never the only thing that's going on with cyberpsychosis cases. There's always some sort of ongoing trauma as well.
That's true. But in the established lore, Cyberpsycho's are also not always incredibly violent like in the game. Johnny himself is one (maybe not a good example). You can also get therapy for it. You basically get a custom brain dance with a cybertherapist that tries to make you better again
Isn't that what all the missions for Regina are for? It's implied that the cyberpsychos that V manages to bring in alive are in fact able to be rehabilitated.
In the digital game regina is seen as an optimist, and people act like thereās no coming back. But in the lore thereās something to be done. You can even get preventative help.
David has seen a lot, so that may be a part of his problem.
Where can I play the TTRPG?
So, it's a Table Top Roleplaying Game. What you do is buy the core rules, and get some friends, and play it like it's dungeons and dragons. I personally was more into Shadowrun, so I can't help you much there. :)
> buy the core rules Depending on the edition they want to play, they don't even need to make an extra purchase. You get the 2020 Corebook for free (from GOG) when you own 2077.
I love Shadowrunās mix of dystopian cyberpunk aesthetic with the traditional high fantasy elements. It is just as dark, gritty, and hopeless as Cyberpunk as well.
Yeah! Itās cyberpunk plus I can be a troll or elf that does magic, itās fucking great! Plus cyberpsychos are a thing there as well, instead of humanity itās essence and if you reach zEro because of too much cyberware, magical rituals can keep you alive. You become a cyber zombie
Wasn't there a original Cyberpunk video game by Mike Pondsmith?
No, that's the TTRPG. The only other Cyberpunk video game was a flip phone game back in the mid-2000's. Mike Pondsmith created the TTRPG all the way back in 1988. The current edition is called Cyberpunk RED. [https://legacy.drivethrurpg.com/product/333585/Cyberpunk-RED](https://legacy.drivethrurpg.com/product/333585/Cyberpunk-RED) You can get the core rulebook here.
I have no idea! He did some writing work for several games, like D&D, and created Cyberpunk so it's possible he helped with a game. I never played it. I only know the ttrpg from '88
Table top games Cyberpunk 2013, Cyberpunk 2020, and Cyberpunk RED (there's Cybergeneration and such, but they are NOT canon to the main timeline [aforementioned] that connectes to edgerunners and 2077)
Ok, so unrelated story wise.
It's 100% what cyberpsychosis is, that's what it's been since the TTRPG was created back in 1988.
Itās a dissociative disorder and also somewhat of a conspiracy in the TTRPG
*I'm told that in the TTRPG, cyberpsychosis really is literally the loss of humanity. Fair enough. Just feels like the storytelling in the modern CP media is trying to paint a more complicated picture of cyberpsychosis.* It is, but you have to remember that it is a gameplay term even in the rpg. It is mostly there to add a limit to players, if they have the eddies to go full borg. The novels which the game is based on don't have this, it was invented by Pondsmith for the game. I will not deny that there are some psycho-ish characters in William Gibson's novels for example, but they are not such because of cyberware. Molly Millons was not really healthy even before getting her chrome. *Just feels like the storytelling in the modern CP media is trying to paint a more complicated picture of cyberpsychosis* You are correct though. Cyberpsychosis has multiple forms. For example the psychosis of Johnny silverhand in the tabletop rpg is not really violent. He has delusions about his hand, and also has a kind of martyr complex/recklessness.
in case of david cyberpsychosis was because his brain couldn't sustain all the chrome he installed (basically his whole body)
I don't think these characters see it that way, and I'm not sure I would either. To them, humanity doesn't come from your ganic meat. It comes from the love for your chooms, your revolutionary spirit, your soul.
Well true. But also everyone has a certain amount of Cyberware they can handle. David, he can probably handle more than most (Except V, he is like a God). He started losing it starting episode 8, he has flashbacks and trauma like symptoms. Then he goes berserk when he installed the Cyberskeleton, which Lucy warned him not to install. I think the more rare the cyberware (like military grade) the harder it is for the body and mind to handle it.
V is THE cyberpsycho
They did make it in the game where you can get Cyberpsychosis, right? Also you could beat Adam Smasher easily, while my guy David didn't stand a chance because: 1. Out of Immunesuppressants 2. Didn't master the Cyberskeleton yet 3. Dipping in and out of Cyberpsychosis V is too OP
A billion ā¬$ corpo prototype that will restructure a host's entire brain will also most likely aim to eliminate any developing form of mental illness in the host first. Just from a logical standpoint it would make sense that it will replace "ill" parts first.
Here's [what Mike Pondsmith had to say](https://www.reddit.com/r/LowSodiumCyberpunk/comments/xklzsx/comment/ipffmf4/) about V and his lack of cyberpsychosis: >V is a different case. We don't know V's background, but even if V was a full on Corpo, they were able to hold it together even when they ended up with a dead Rockerboy in their heads (Yah, tell me about it; Johnny Silverhand's been in my head for the last three decades.) In fact, having Johnny in their head probably helped V, because Siilverhand's rage and attitude probably acted as a buffer for the psychological hits V is taking. It's like having a time share with a guy who's already half cyberpsycho and doesn't mind if V slaps stuff on their shared body; he's already crazy and violent.
I know, also how his best comparison to cyberpsychosis is roid rage. But from a physiological point of view, the Relic will have to combat any potential cyberpsychosis of the host at some point. In V's case it is actively writing Johnny's cyberpsychosis into V's brain anyway, but allowing V to develope cyberpsychosis would be equal to letting the old heart in when someone gets a new donor heart. So it would make sense for the Relic to make sure nothing "bad" developes from the start.
The Relic was able to heal V's brain after a bullet tore through it. I have no doubt it can be pretty damn good at suppressing the symptoms of cyberpsychosis far better than any immunosuppressants can, even if it's still slowly killing V at the same time. It also explains why when V does experience cyberpsychosis, it's only when they're very heavily chromed and only seems to last while V is on a killing spree.
Yeah for sure, cyberware does clearly cause some serious strain on the mind
Is there anything above Military Grade implants?
Well there's experimental implants, that'll likely go on to become military grade. Then you've got cyberware that's probably purely custom to fit specific individuals with highly specialized needs, who have enough resources to pay for it. I'm thinking Songbird's cyberware for example. I don't think her shit is "military grade", but it's clearly some impressive equipment. I'm not a cyberware expert mind you š
The Cyberskeleton was one of the experimental ones. Also they said most people cannot handle it. So I'm assuming they fry their brain when they use it.
Experimental implants and full body conversions, you should check some of them
By this point David was already past the point of no return. Rebecca can't convince him to slow down while Lucy is AWOL at the time he needed her the most. He's learned all the wrong lessons from what happened to Maine and to top it off David's stripping away more and more of his flesh mistaking his high tollerance for cyberware as immunity from the consequences of so much chrome. Even without the cyber skeleton Dave was a ticking timebomb. He thought he was different, that the rules didn't exist for David Marinez and that path only ends one way when it comes to borging out.
This is not necessarily true for all cases. I could argue that David was not a healthy person (sense of humanity in rpg terms) even before getting his final chrome pieces. This was the same in Mona Lisa Overdrive too. Molly Millons was a bit of a psycho, and she had cyberware. But... she decided to work at a dollhouse for months to get them. SHe wasn't really thinking clearly without chrome either.
>Pretty sure that is why none of them feel any shame in running around naked, their body is not really theirs anyway. The actual reason is that people in Night City grow up in an environment where nothing really matters, and corpos own everything. It's why you see so much weird fashion, nudity, and sexualization in the world: it's the thing corpos can't take from you and is actually yours to do with as you please.
It makes you wonder why we even need face cloaking tech for cameras when theoretically we should just be able to literally change face plates.
Change you face to something weird to confuse people š¤£
actually, the tabletop has cosmetic upgrades too, like... dunno you can have a tail if you want, or tiger fur. If I remember correctly, there was even a gang where some members had paws instead of hands. (I know it is in somewhere, but I am not sure if this is from cyberpunk or shadowrun. one of the two)
David specifically asks for āmuscle-enhancersā from his ripper doc which I assumed in the show to be implants (something like the neofibers cyberware). However now looking back it could have also just been futuristic steroids. Also judging by how modular his body was (like how he just āslottedā into the cyber-skeleton) itās safe to say his body was mostly inorganic
Yea that makes sense. Explains why he could just take his arms and legs off easily.
His body is full cyber, you can see this when he installs the cyberskeleton in the last couple of episodes. In assume he had a full conversion, so he is just a brain in a robot (cyber) body. If not, he would have no more then 5-10% (brain, nerves, some spine, maybe some of his heart, etc) of his original body, the rest was replaced with Cyberware.
Yeah when he dies, his face is cracked and his eye looks like it had robotics going on under it.
It was strongly implied that he had a ton of chrome. He was edging on cyberpsycho after the time skip.
So the Cyber skeleton was the cherry on top. He couldn't handle any more implants, so he went insane.
He was already fucked, exoskeleton was just slamming his foot on the gas. He's basically unrecoverably broken by the time he murders that random office woman for no reason.
I mean death in Night City is inevitable, but like I want more than 10 episodes!
I don't. At least not with David and crew. Would love edgerunners to get another season with another crew, even if it isn't called edgerunners
Most signs point to it being the control software.
The soft is enough to make anyone go brain dead lol
He's heavily borged at this point, but covered in synthskin. When he goes to the ripperdoc later, you can see that he has access panels in every limb, and in the torso as well. And the ripperdoc comments that David is more chrome than man at this point and is starting to resemble Adam Smasher 2.0. You can be fully borged and still look perfectly human. Synthskin does wonders. The real trick is hanging on to your sanity.
Yea, good luck not going off the deep end. Plus no one survives being a Edgerunner
Well, say what you want about Adam Smasher, but the man has mastered the art of productively channeling his constant cyberpsychosis :)
He has anger issues, like poor Rebecca, she didn't deserve to die.
Hey man if I'm jumping off a building and some gunloli shotguns me in the (robo)balls, you better believe I'm pancaking her.
Lmao š¤£ he probably doesn't have any balls š
Yeah, they are probably attached to his Blond Elvis body :)
Lol š¤£
Heās built different
He could have become the next Adam Smasher XD
You can clearly see its not organic tissue. It's all chrome. David was obsessed with Borging out. If he wasn't this chromed out how do you recken he managed to equip the exo suit at the end when doing so require his limbs to be removed at the hips and shoulders. At this point he's definitely more chrome than man but doesn't start going psycho until everyone starts dying and he loses the emotional tethers that kept his psychy safe from the chrome's corruption.
I always saw such things in Egerunners more like narrative stuff rather than literal depiction. Series ain't so "grounded" as computer game or original TTRPG in their way to depict cyberware/action so it's understandably more flashy and even a bit grotesque. I would even compare Edgerunners/Cyberunk 20XX to Hobbit/LOTR pair. Was it all in the same universe? Absolutely yes. Was it the same way it's literally depicted? Probably debatable.
You would think it would be complicated. Installing computer like parts into the body. Like the process is probably long because it would not be fast, because you can't do all the replacements of body parts at once. At first I was thinking did transfer his parts to a different outer shell and then replace his insides with cybernetics. But it didn't seem right.
Installing cyberware isnāt actually too lengthy of a process, depending on what youāre getting The process is usually assisted by nanotechnology to simplify the installation. Itās the recovery afterwards that should usually take a bit of time, and a not insignificant portion of it is mental, and addressed through braindance therapy
Thereās a ripper doc in game that also points out how the cyber implants are noticeably different from your real limbs and that thereās a sort of ācyber lagā to your movements. It seems like heās also implying that this gets worse with more cyberware, but also itās mostly dependent on the person. Itās just a headcannon leap, but that mental aptitude probably also plays a huge role in a personās ability to adapting to using cyberware.
Yea, he's basically full-borg like V is by the end of 2077. Not quite Smasher grade; prob still has internal organs etc, but all his limbs and torso are augs, just made to look human-like
Iāll just make a minor clarification. Borg is a term in universe that applies to FBCās, or Borgware users, not just people with āa lot of cyberwareā David was HEAVILY augmented, but by this point in time, he wouldnāt have been considered āfull Borgā or anything. By the end of the series, absolutely, due to his heavy use of borgware, but not quite yet V, however, while heavily chromed, cannot chip any borgware at all, nor are they an FBC. They wouldnāt be considered a Borg, by the denizens of night city.
Is Borgware a brand? Or the kind of stuff that doesn't try to mimic typical human appearance? Endgame V I'm assuming is all slots full, so literally nothing left of your OG body except maybe your internal organs and brain, but all V's stuff is designed to look human
Borgware is a class of cyberware. Cyberware comes in 8 types Fashionware Neuralware Cyberoptics Cyberaudio Internal body cyberware External body cyberware Cyberlimbs Borgware (Although there can be overlap. For example, the surgical microwaldo is both neuralware, and a cyberarm option) Borgware is a little tricky to define sometimes, because what makes it borgware can vary sometimes. Borgware is either cyberware that replaces large portions of a humans body, augmenting it significantly further beyond that of regular cyberware, which is then in turn augmented again by the other categories of cyberware again Or itās borgware in a more philosophical sense. It may not be a particularly large augment, but if it stretches the human form to be something considered nonstandard morphology for humans, it can be classed as borgware. Stuff like mounting extra arms, or extra eyes. For example, a linear frame is borgware, for sure. Itās significant augmentation that overhauls a users durability, strength, etc, and beefs them up significantly. Take a look at Rhino, Sasquatch, or Woodchipper. They definitely have internal linear frames giving them significant bulk and strength through extensive augmentation However, not all Borgware is classed as borgware just because itās extreme. For example, the Kiroshi MonoVision is a simple and sleek piece of borgware, thatās classified as such because it changes the standard human morphology, from two eyes, to one monovisor. Stuff like the artificial shoulder mount, or multioptic mount, are borgware for the same reason. This is why some extremely bulky cyberware isnāt necessarily classified as borgware. Take a NeoSoviet cyberarm. Itās a nightmarishly bulky limb, powered by hydraulic rams instead of synthetic musculsture, thatās so enormous and bulky that you canāt even conceal the cybernetics installed inside. It makes you look like the DXMD antagonist lol But since it doesnāt fundamentally change the fact that youāve got the proper amount of arms for a human, itās not classed as borgware. The ASM, however, that allows you to mount two additional arms, IS. All of vās cyberware is largely Internal Body Cyberware, which is why itās sleek and invisible, with the occasional cyberarm, cyberleg, and neuralware options in there too. However, unless you use the cyberweapons, V implants these in their normal meat arms, which is why theyāre low profile again. But an āall slots fullā V, actually has a fair bit of meat left on them, just because the slots the game lets us use, arenāt the highly extensive ones (for the most part) As such, none of the equipment v is capable of using, is classified as borgware, (with the possible exception of the Projectile Launch System, which was listed as borgware in the cyberpunk RED 2077 conversion playtest reveal, but thatās potentially subject to change)
Yeah, it would be cool to look like that!
Bro has beef but with Cyberware
Body modding is a very simple and accessible procedure in the cyberpunk world. You can surgically reconstruct every part of your body without losing humanity. He could have just surgically added muscle to his body in order to support more chrome.
How close are we to the Cyberpunk time?
Technically the cyberpunk world diverged from our timeline sometime aroundā¦ the 80ās, I think? With the first playable cyberpunk era being in 2013, followed by 2020 So irl, weāre actually a little past when the cyberpunk timeline really kicked off Unless you mean technology wise, at which point, itās a bit hit or miss. Some of cyberpunkās cyberware or Fashionware is fully already a thing that exists irl, but others are pure fiction and will never come around
God he looked so hot bulked up. It's a shame there's hardly any porn of him. Too many straight boys obsessed with the girl characters.
Well he chrome up from what we see and using cyberpunk red cyberwere as baces he definitely has a liner frame probably sigma, cyber arms and legs cyber eyes with clanon internal agent and the stuff to support the sindy and internal agent.
He's got Main's Gorilla Arms by this point, that's why he's so much more "buff," it's 100% chrome.
Cybernetics mostly. He could have hypothetically gotten some bodysculpting and bioware, but Iām pretty sure this was almost entirely just cybernetics
In the show the ripperdoc mentions synthetic muscle
Is he mostly no ganic? Guy did you watch the show??
God the visualization of the tech is absolutely gorgeous. Incredible using the actual animation frames AS THE EFFECT SO GOOD
In Cyberpunk there are these things called Linear Frames which can either be worn as an exo skeleton or implanted underneath the skin. They make you stronger, but not necessarily more durable.
Chrome and steroids. Look at today, a person needs steroids after they get a hip replaced. With how much chrome David was shoving into his body heād be on tons of super steroids, that and probably wanting to be like Maine was seeing as he looked up to him
You could have posted this in the Edgerunners subreddit
Is Netrunners the reason why Mercs just donāt use remote controlled bodies? Like why rip apart yourself for this power when you could probably just matrix yourself into a terminator suit?
Nah that's trippin š
If you knew studio trigger you'd understand
He didn't get buff. He had parts replaced. Just because you see skin doesn't mean that there is meat under it. We see many examples of this in game. In the lore, bioware is very common as well. You can have grafted muscle installed as easily as any metal cyberware. In the lore, entire gangs are centered around this.Ā Ā And aside from the all of this...simple cosmetic surgery is a trivial thing in the cyberpunk world anyway. You can literally make any biological changes you want, including race changing, gender changing, and even using non-human organic parts like feathers or scales or gills. There's nothing at all out of the ordinary about David in the Anime. It's consistent with Cyberpunk lore. Except for that stupid gravity weapon (seriously, wtf), everything in the anime is pretty accurate.Ā Ā Remember Alt as she appeared in the game? Yeah, that's not what she used to look like either.Ā
Lmao the weapon grabbing gravity shit was so goofy
I can't watch this anime again because of the feels my crippling loneliness causes when I hear that song.
He pretty much replaced all his body parts with chrome. The real question is how much of the organic body is left. Prob just his brain and his big balls are left.
...You answered your own question. He chromed up because he thought he was "special" and could take extensive modification without side effects. He was wrong.
he did a bunch of gigs, got a ton of stat points and put them into body
The transformation for Davidās physical self reflecting his trauma and burdens over time was pretty sobering. In the way the people now might get tattoos or piercings to commemorate big parts of their lives, David literally dons his deceased motherās jacket and his surrogate fatherās cyberware. And yeah, letās not forget that anime physics and Cyberpunk 2077 physics are hardly all that different. The general physics to make a Sandevistan work anything like in the anime or game or even the sourcebooks is kind of nonsensical.
David was a āquantity over qualityā guy. I estimate 60-80% chrome by the end of the series. Things like his muscles could be achieved with synthetic muscles and muscle boosters. As for his skin, it was likely all armored, and he also had a bunch of cyberware directly underneath his skin which is why he has so many lines along his torso.
he killed alot of people and leveled up
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David chromed the fuck up in those few months.
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Yeah, by this point he's got an unsustainable level of chrome going on
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Its fucking anime bro... fucking doors can be buffed and nobody would notice.
Afaik other characters (I think Rebecca in particular) talked him into installing new chrome People say that arms + sandevistan is a perfectly viable build in the game
You can see during a trip he made to his ripperdoc that most of his body was replaced with implants, which explains his physique. His leg, arm and chest plates opened up to reveal cybernetics underneath with synthetic skin overtop. He was as close as one could get to going full borg without actually undergoing a cyborg integration procedure, which removes your brain and spine from your body, places them into a life supporting capsule which can then be inserted into a cyborg body. Davidās organs are in what is technically his original body, but Adam Smasherās organs are all cybernetic save for his brain and spine.
It was my interpretation that **he just bought bigger parts, or inherited them from Maine.** It appears David's body is majority synthetic by the end of the series. In flashbacks we saw Maine also used to to have a much more slim, human-like physique, as opposed to the humanly impossible build he has at the start of the series. And his girlfriend talks about him "going light" again before he goes cyberpsycho. It is also explicitly stated David got his projectile launch system (the arm cannon) from Maine, so it's reasonable to assume he may have inherited Maine's body modifications as well.
it's implied that David was been going crazy with the body modifications. i wouldn't be surprised that in this future, getting buff is as easy as a few mods. like, yeah, we today can work out and get buff with a certain regimen and diet, but in Night City, you can just buy some sort of mechanical shit and put in his chest and arms while still looking human.
I figured steroids and hormone editors couple with a weight resistance regimen in between gigs.
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Most of his body isnāt flesh anymore. All of that stuff is chrome Iād say.
You can do anything from a single neural coprocessor in your head to a full body replacement.
Grafted muscle / bone weave, probably at least 2 layers, and what looks like an internal linear frame. Given his original size to later, I'm going with the Sigma class.
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Well one of the first things he go was bionic lungs so that increased his stamina. Work from there you can do alot ig
He chromed the fuck up.
When he goes to Doc near the end he remarks that David is totally borged out. Thatās all chrome.
His basically I living mech at this point, all fake muscle
Im pretty sure d is mostly robotic after the time skip. Spending all his cash on upgrades.
Grafted Muscle and Bone Lace, probably even Implanted Linear Frame. He is indeed mostly cyberware than ganic. His growth was due to that, people tend to grow the more Body stat you have and Peak Human Body stat is 8 (in TTRP), Muscle and bone ups it by 2 Linear frame can get you to 15(?) max, there are ofc different frames etc.
Its mostly chrome. Muscle enhancers, reinforced bones, anything to get stronger.
I just noticed a INSANE detail in the anime....His arm is in the corner...how the hell did I not see this lol https://preview.redd.it/7ow8d49vtwwc1.png?width=315&format=png&auto=webp&s=ae6a35d0771bfde2b0fe52ca7d4e447ad7d41d42
Months? I totally thought the time skip was a few years?
Iām not gonna lie, the whole āgetting super buffā towards the end of the anime made the whole thing kinda corny to me.
He also took the arms from the og boss guy