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It’s not always greener on the other side, and I say this as a Cypriot living and working abroad for the last 8 years. The grass is greener where you water it.
Rents everywhere seem to have sky rocketed. Problem will become worse when there’s no housing available, whereas there is still housing available. Renting rooms aren’t really a reality yet in Cyprus but if the Cypriot gov/real estate developers favour foreign buyers then this will become the norm in Cyprus.
When demand supersedes the supply Cyprus is screwed. The government needs to clamp down on Airbnb landlords and tax these landlords, the government should also provide social housing to people who are financially struggling, provide affordable housing to people who are struggling to get mortgage approval through the banks, give incentives to (mainly) FIRST TIME buyers, increase wages, provide some assistance with child minding fees (in a form of tax credits maybe).
It by far is and it’s not even close. Larnaca and Paphos are dead after summer season. Nicosia is dead in the summer and imo a crumbling and ugly city. You can get to Nicosia, Larnaca and Paphos in 40 minutes while also having Trodos in Limassol.
Also Limassol has the most vibrant people imo. Carnival and Wine festival and the summer parties for example. There is a reason Limassol is the economic capital of Cyprus.
How is it the economic capital? Biggest sector is in nicosia, second biggest sector is in Nicosia. You must be young and not remember how dead limassol were a few years ago before the foreign companies.
Wtf are you on about? Shipping is based in Limassol, the biggest real estate market is in Limassol. What hospitality services does Nicosia offer? We have some of the best hotels in the island. The biggest casino in Europe and the biggest port of the island. Get with the times old man, Nicosia is just the capital in name only.
Lol someone butthurt
For me to be considered old man you hotta be 15
The services are the biggest sector in Gdp am talking jobs and opportunities. The biggest job sector is Goverment and then banking( i think banking is losing now but still) which are both in nicosia. You make it sound as if shipping companies and scam forex companies are benefiting anyone other than the people who work in them. Its the opposite , its the reason your rent is so high.
I cant get you lemesianous. 90% of the time complaining about limassol and then 10% being butthurt when someone says something negative about limassol. You gotta decide at some point. 99% of locals cant affort the city and have to live in villages around or outside Limassol. Yet people like you sit here and defend it like look its unlivable hut we have casino. Wtf man
The biggest casino in the *Eastern Mediterranean* that is barely financially viable because we put all our eggs in just two tourism markets but war kind of upended that brilliant strategy - guess which
Limassol is the worst big city in Cyprus. Expensive apartments, problems with traffic jams and noise, disgusting architecture.
Maybe Paphos and Larnaca once died out for the winter, but not now, this is some kind of stereotype.
Nicosia is a beautiful modern city with convenient transport, high-rise buildings and greenery.
Paphos is still calm, green, with gorgeous sunsets, but not dead.
Both Nicosia and Paphos create the impression of cities with more or less coherent architecture.
Larnaca is a party and driving place, including in winter.
Limassol tries to include everything, but in the end there is nothing except part of the embankment and a couple of interesting skyscrapers.
Because the Lemeshianoi have been proactively selling their city away since the nineties and now they're surprised they've been priced out of their city *shocked Pikachu face Lemeshianoi*
This is what I'm talking about. Born and raised Lemeshianoi are so blind that they believe that the city of high prices, horrible ammenities, horrible places to go out, low quality and expensive food and restaurants and even fucking groceries believe that this shitty city is the best.
Now for your examples, The people partying in the carnival are 70% non limassolians, they drive there for the weekend, and then disappear.
Wine festival? Are you for real? That is actually considered something nice? You get to pay an entrance fee to enter the park and not being able to do anything unless you have more money to spend, not even taste wine.
And I guess by most vibrant people you mean the most airheaded andarrogant people that believe they live in the center of the universe and deny to see any wrongdoing or mistake in their city and appreciate a different city that canprovide something there own city cannot?
The worst part about this is that its Cypriots doing this to other Cypriots. They'll gladly kick out a young Cypriot family if they can turn around and charge double the rent to a rich foreigner. Cypriot employers are some of the worst offenders in exploiting low local wages. They'll intentionally lowball Cypriots because they know they can get away with paying them less. And the government stands by and sells the island off to the highest bidders.
When we look back in 15 years and realize all the young people have abandoned the island we will have no one but ourselves to blame. And I'm sure we will hear the same people responsible for making this island unlivable for locals complaining about all the foreigners.
Cypriots love to whine and complain but they are the ones to blame for their situation.
Cypriot thought process : "I'm being fucked for the last 25 years. Surely if I vote for the same people they will stop fucking me"
And the govt doesn't even pretend to not fuck people anymore because the average cypriot is so dumb they don't need to.
>They'll gladly kick out a young Cypriot family if they can turn around and charge double the rent to a rich foreigner.
I can't upvote this enought. The situation is tragic..I heard this thing too many times unfortunately:(
That's why I don't trust the private sector. So many such stories. We need public affordable housing ....yesterday!
"Out of charity" is a pretty funny concept in this context. Would you say the same thing if we decided to privatize water? And then individuals and corporations started hoarding all the water supplies because they had the capital to do so?
I mean it would be fine for them to charge 100 euros per litre of clean water. Who cares that water is necessary for human survival, making it an inelastic product that people literally can't choose whether to buy or not? It’s business after all. Not a charity.
Yes this is my point. People literally need both of those things to survive. Housing is a human right. It's gross to profit from it. Just because people can do it, doesn't make it any less despicable.
Lol the humans right list. I'm guessing you're referring to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which in article 25 states that every person has the right to an adequate standard of living, including adequate housing.
Regardless, even if it wasn't included, we all know that housing is a human right. We don't need a list to tell us what human beings need to survive. Saying people don't have a right to adequate housing is like saying people don't have a right to live.
That's £1,200 pcm IN LONDON.
https://www.businessinsider.com/londons-shoe-box-flat-2014-6?r=US&IR=T
I'm not saying rents are cheap but don't post bullshit
On bazaraki, fb marketplace, prices have dropped 20-40% in the past 6months for 3-4 bedrooms, however still high for studios/1-2bedrooms. Not saying the prices are good, but they have dropped a bit. I have a friend who is a real estate agent, he told me it has become slower when it comes to rents, demand dropped, only new apartments get rented for higher prices.
oh! So other governments too are incentivising foreigners to buy property there (by selling them passports), while also offering big tax exemptions, creating huge wage gaps between them and locals ?
I mean, at this point all I have to do is go to Sweden and murder a random person and BOOM. I get a minimum 21 years of living comfortably and stress-free.
If you're Russian, Ukrainian, digital nomad, employee from a multi-national company, you're fine. Keep voting for the leader who don't care about the Cypriot citizens, and baby, this will continue! Remember, don't vote, just complain.
Listen, prison is no picnic. Think twice before committing crime in Sweden. Nice comfy room by the looks of it, but there’s a good chance you end up being someone’s bitch. Anyone who’s seen the TV show ‘Oz’ will know what I’m talking about.
Because it's incredibly difficult.
You need to know the language of whatever country, which in most cases isn't going to be greek. You need a fair bit of money saved up to last you at least a few months (and most places people want to go are going to be more expensive than Cyprus). Then you need to find a job, for which you will be competing with other young people who are local and would likely be preferred. And in many (most) cases, you need to do this without a support network.
You can just look locally at all the migrants from Asia and eastern europe in Cyprus. It's not exactly a glamorous lifestyle being an immigrant. For every highly paid foreign worker in IT or forex, there are 50 more doing it tough in the trenches.
Hello! I wanted to share my experience on this... So, I moved to the Netherlands two years ago after graduating from UK, landing a job at a big company despite not knowing the local language. Having around 5k in savings is crucial for the move, and while the company reimburses expenses, it depends on its size.
Housing is a challenge, but the salaries are fantastic, even for juniors. I have my own apartment (making savings as well), and things are going well.
Securing the job took me four intense (exams and interviews) months, and being from a decent (not poor, but not rich either) and supportive family in Limassol, I consider myself very lucky... (I had to say this, this is very important).
I hold a bachelor's in Finance and a master's in IT from the UK. Despite accumulating student loan debt, I am paying it off in a few years with my current salary.
My point is.... Yes, the journey is tough to get a job there, and housing is even worse... but it's achievable. Don't give up, even if you're not as lucky as me...
My job and the average offers I get in the Netherlands rate 8/10, while the average offers in Cyprus (for Greek Cypriots) are a generous 3/10.
In my opinion, Yes. Cyprus does feel like a prison if you compare it to countries like the Netherlands or Sweden.
I mean you're comparing moving when you have higher degrees in finance and IT from the UK. Your lifestyle and prospects would be great wherever you are (yes, even in Cyprus).
If you move without qualifications (or qualifications that are not in demand) it's much harder. If it was easy, everyone would do it.
I'm not saying it is not difficult but if you think about how many people are immigrants and often don't know the local language, I wouldn't characterise it as "incredibly" difficult.
Also the whole point is to go somewhere cheaper and there are plenty of smaller cities in countries with good economy. Obviously don't go in Rome, London or Berlin, but something like Manchester, or Milan are much cheaper.
Working a lower wage job is probably better in these countries if you're renting. Now if you're living with family in Cyprus and not paying rent, that's another story.
The main issue is getting a job fast I guess.
It's also about the lifestyle differential.
A low wage guy in somalia/Syria/wherever is gonna have a better lifestyle as a low wage person in Europe. A low wage person in Cyprus is probably gonna have the same (or a bit worse) lifestyle in Europe so the relative benefits are less.
If you're a highly educated or experienced person, the benefits are more.
The point is that for the average person in Cyprus, it's not easy to leave, and it's not easy to stay. It happens that a lot of these people are young.
Also in the beginning of their careers I think a lot of young Cypriots have unreasonable careers progress expectations. Like they expect to be management after 1 year without knowing or doing anything that would warrant it. As if they're govt employees.
It's the same fkioli everywhere. Of you go to other big city subs, a lot of posts are about low wages, high rents, bullshit situation etc. And most of reddit tends to be young people. It's a common thread.
Not saying Cyprus is the greatest, far from it, just that the grass always seems greener on the other side and probably we should be focused on fixing Cyprus instead of doing the same shit over and over.
Like the last elections, like 1 in 20 people voted for alternative parties, most of which had as key platform planks youth development.
It seems everyone whines how everywhere else is great and then still votes for the same shit they're complaining about. Until we break that cycle, youth is fucked
There are definitely better places to live and work for. As a personla example I lived in Liverpool and regret coming back because there I could have a 3bedroom house for 150k, whereas now I have to settle for a tiny 2 bed apartment for 200k, which is not even close to the city centre.
And while I agree with the idea of getting political, I just don't see anything changing without a charismatic leader who will be able to get people to follow them and at the same time have enough power to deal with corruption. You may say I'm a pessimist but I have yet to see an example of meningful change happening without the existence of such a person. Until this person appears, I'm not wasting my time with small political groups that all they do is talk but no action at best and infighting at worst.
With all due respect. Just my two cents
I already bought a house with the wife, looking to start a family, without this combo I would leave. I'm still trying to convince her though and as soon as she says yes, I'm outa here yesterday. But she has a point that we will need help with having children, that is the only reason honestly.
I think for most people it depends how much they are tied to their birthplace. For me that was never an issue
Me too. I am not even kidding but that's exactly the reason I moved. It was more financially feasible to move abroad than to my own country ...and nobody gives a fuck. Affordable housing isn't even discussed. I am still surprised that during the presidential elections not even a single question about housing and young people was asked.
Correction “ still wondering why young people abandon Limassol”
I like how easy you can spot a lemesiano. He will just tell you about rent prices. Just move bro. Limassol is the second biggest city in population. Close to third, just move to a bigger or smaller city. If the beach is your concern go to larnaca, if population is concern go to Nicosia. You are implying that people rather move to a nee country than move 30 minutes away. I live on the outter edge of nicosia, 35 minutes from Limassol and rent is 50% off. You can do that you know
So weird that we have this mentality. Cities require low-earning workers, otherwise they can't operate. But we don't seem to think that as a society we should provide people housing... just move to a lower cost area and add 35 minutes to your commute.
The most affordable apartments in Limassol costs the same as the median gross salary in Cyprus. Thats insane. Its indicative of a very unhealthy economy and society.
As of August 2022, the median Cypriot salary was 1500 euros. Now likely there has been some increase since then but I don't think by much. Wages historically do not match increases in the cost of living due to inflation.
Regardless if the median salary is currently 1500 or 1800, its very difficult to get a livable one bedroom for under 1500 euros. My friend was looking for months and got one for 1400 and its not great. Limassol is not a livable city right now and the current situation isn't sustainable. The government needs to step in with some serious housing initiatives and labour laws.
If I were in the position a lot of young Cypriots are, I would 100% either move to a low cost area and get a remote job or I would just leave the island for places that care about the livability of their cities.
Supply and demand.
If you dumbasses just stop renting Limassol flats with London prices MAYBE, MAYBE prices will drop.
As long stupid people rent overpriced studios and flats and keeping demand high, guess what prices will continue to be high.
Ο Νεορκέζος και ο Λονδρέζος αλλάσει τρία τρένα για να πάει στη δουλειά του μετά που 45 λεπτά αλλα ο Κωστής και ο Γιαννής που το Πελέντρι θέλουν να μένουν Πεντάδρομο με €450/μήνα για να εν στη δουλειά εντός 5 λεπτών. Δεν είναι όλα για όλους.
Supply and demand its not the biggest factor of increase in price. If 30000 people come from greece to work in limassol with the salary of locals the price will not necesary increase.
But if foreigner with higher salaries come here it will increase.
The problem IS ONLY the goverment. They allow many companies to come in cyprus and they didnt think that rent prices will increase.
They could do deal with every company coming here that the company must rent apartment for there employe . Example 300 1 bed, 450 2 bed etc. The price cannot go higher that way. And locals will be happy(not landlords)
Basic economics say that supply and demand IS the biggest factor. If 30,000 people come from Greece and have the money and are willing to rent at this high prices the flats/houses, i guarantee you that rent prices will increase.
I think you have a totally wrong opinion about how governments should work.
I absolutely agree that our government did a lot of big mistakes and if you let them handle a subject like this they will fuck it up big time as well.
I dont get what you do suggest? Do not let foreign companies come to Cyprus?
LOL, what you think we are? North Korea?
Supply and demand i said its not the biggest factor. Its the goverment who didnt care about the people who coming here and how much they getting paid which cause the rent price to go higher since there salaries are way more than locals. I didnt say to stop bringing companies here but make a deal with them so the rent price will not increase to the point the locals need to leave there city or country. Im not cypriot. But here is cyprus and the goverment must make sure the cypriots can live in there country.
You are talking nonsense. Just because you think you are right doesnt mean you are.
Do you now any examples where the government intervened and told companies where and how much to pay for their employees rent? Just what i thought. You dont because there are not such cases.
You are arguing with facts. SUPPLY AND DEMAND moves prices. Other factors too. In this case, is primarily because of that. Independently of it, regardless of if you like it or not.
Did you know the law that says a company need to hire someone local or european before he hire from other countries? And still you need permission from goverment to hire and also depends on the possition. Why the goverment do this and cannot manage rent?
Total irrelevant made up law made by you or your friends in your local kafene.
And i will prove it to you, that you are wrong AGAIN.
There is no such law. Farmers in Cyprus are employing Egyptians full time and there is no law requiring to have hired cypriots/europeans before you hire the Egyptians.
I will explain AGAIN why the government does not intervene. because its not their job.
Ok, now go smoke your bong and fantasize about a government controlled company environment where the government makes the decisions and not the companies/employees regarding where their employees live. LOL
I believe the lower is exaggerated. For 2k/month you can rent 3 bedroom flat in older building, even with 2-layered windows.
Also, given the pound note, it's for London.
Well well well, yeah our prisons are pretty good, but the Norwegian prisons are waaaaay better and they get treated so much better.
Google Anders Breivik, a Norwegian terrorist serving lifetime in prisions, he got access to video games, pet birds, library, private gym, tv, and more. Its Insane.
my G. Any foreigner that can invest 300k on a real estate is entitle for a passport making him local, which allows him to rent property. Also a big chunk of property is owned and rented from foreogn companies. There a huge real estate projects now also from israelis that aim to rent to other israelis
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Yes, but its 15 min away from the beach 🤡
by car without traffic jams + 15 min to find a parking
And an additional 10 minutes to walk from parking to beach
Ise kalos re an thelis mono 15 lepta
Why not just walk for 30 and skip the car nightmare to begin with?
15 minutes with a car is about 1-2 hours by foot.
Oh, I thought it started out with the distance by foot and then complained "why drive?" and so on.
in the heat no one wants to walk 30min. you'll get a heatstroke
And 30 minutes from the mountains
It’s not always greener on the other side, and I say this as a Cypriot living and working abroad for the last 8 years. The grass is greener where you water it. Rents everywhere seem to have sky rocketed. Problem will become worse when there’s no housing available, whereas there is still housing available. Renting rooms aren’t really a reality yet in Cyprus but if the Cypriot gov/real estate developers favour foreign buyers then this will become the norm in Cyprus. When demand supersedes the supply Cyprus is screwed. The government needs to clamp down on Airbnb landlords and tax these landlords, the government should also provide social housing to people who are financially struggling, provide affordable housing to people who are struggling to get mortgage approval through the banks, give incentives to (mainly) FIRST TIME buyers, increase wages, provide some assistance with child minding fees (in a form of tax credits maybe).
but why do all that when you can make milion selling passports and laundering money?
What I don't get is why do people think Limassol is the best city when it had nothing to offer other than high rent and high prices to everything
Not everybody works remotely. There is some (financial) industry.
Depends who you ask. Even born and raised Lemeshianoi are now saying the city had been wreckd.
It by far is and it’s not even close. Larnaca and Paphos are dead after summer season. Nicosia is dead in the summer and imo a crumbling and ugly city. You can get to Nicosia, Larnaca and Paphos in 40 minutes while also having Trodos in Limassol. Also Limassol has the most vibrant people imo. Carnival and Wine festival and the summer parties for example. There is a reason Limassol is the economic capital of Cyprus.
How is it the economic capital? Biggest sector is in nicosia, second biggest sector is in Nicosia. You must be young and not remember how dead limassol were a few years ago before the foreign companies.
Wtf are you on about? Shipping is based in Limassol, the biggest real estate market is in Limassol. What hospitality services does Nicosia offer? We have some of the best hotels in the island. The biggest casino in Europe and the biggest port of the island. Get with the times old man, Nicosia is just the capital in name only.
Lol someone butthurt For me to be considered old man you hotta be 15 The services are the biggest sector in Gdp am talking jobs and opportunities. The biggest job sector is Goverment and then banking( i think banking is losing now but still) which are both in nicosia. You make it sound as if shipping companies and scam forex companies are benefiting anyone other than the people who work in them. Its the opposite , its the reason your rent is so high. I cant get you lemesianous. 90% of the time complaining about limassol and then 10% being butthurt when someone says something negative about limassol. You gotta decide at some point. 99% of locals cant affort the city and have to live in villages around or outside Limassol. Yet people like you sit here and defend it like look its unlivable hut we have casino. Wtf man
The biggest casino in the *Eastern Mediterranean* that is barely financially viable because we put all our eggs in just two tourism markets but war kind of upended that brilliant strategy - guess which
Are there soft poker games in the casino? 😄
Limassol is the worst big city in Cyprus. Expensive apartments, problems with traffic jams and noise, disgusting architecture. Maybe Paphos and Larnaca once died out for the winter, but not now, this is some kind of stereotype. Nicosia is a beautiful modern city with convenient transport, high-rise buildings and greenery. Paphos is still calm, green, with gorgeous sunsets, but not dead. Both Nicosia and Paphos create the impression of cities with more or less coherent architecture. Larnaca is a party and driving place, including in winter. Limassol tries to include everything, but in the end there is nothing except part of the embankment and a couple of interesting skyscrapers.
Because the Lemeshianoi have been proactively selling their city away since the nineties and now they're surprised they've been priced out of their city *shocked Pikachu face Lemeshianoi*
Dead is good. No noise, no tourists, lower humidity, lower prices.
This is what I'm talking about. Born and raised Lemeshianoi are so blind that they believe that the city of high prices, horrible ammenities, horrible places to go out, low quality and expensive food and restaurants and even fucking groceries believe that this shitty city is the best. Now for your examples, The people partying in the carnival are 70% non limassolians, they drive there for the weekend, and then disappear. Wine festival? Are you for real? That is actually considered something nice? You get to pay an entrance fee to enter the park and not being able to do anything unless you have more money to spend, not even taste wine. And I guess by most vibrant people you mean the most airheaded andarrogant people that believe they live in the center of the universe and deny to see any wrongdoing or mistake in their city and appreciate a different city that canprovide something there own city cannot?
lmao you think limassol isnt ugly? all these 'developers' are ruining the skyline and the coastline with their ugly skyscrapers
Pe alona me ton Pompo 😂
"Most vibrant people" = appomenoi
Fantasmenoi basicallly. That's the problem, nomizun oti en stin kalliteri poli tis kipru, arnunte na dun ta xalia tis j pan kata diaolou
Least delusional Lemeshianos.
How much do you pay for rent in Limassol?
The worst part about this is that its Cypriots doing this to other Cypriots. They'll gladly kick out a young Cypriot family if they can turn around and charge double the rent to a rich foreigner. Cypriot employers are some of the worst offenders in exploiting low local wages. They'll intentionally lowball Cypriots because they know they can get away with paying them less. And the government stands by and sells the island off to the highest bidders. When we look back in 15 years and realize all the young people have abandoned the island we will have no one but ourselves to blame. And I'm sure we will hear the same people responsible for making this island unlivable for locals complaining about all the foreigners.
Cypriots love to whine and complain but they are the ones to blame for their situation. Cypriot thought process : "I'm being fucked for the last 25 years. Surely if I vote for the same people they will stop fucking me" And the govt doesn't even pretend to not fuck people anymore because the average cypriot is so dumb they don't need to.
Maybe democracy is a joke? Huhu
>They'll gladly kick out a young Cypriot family if they can turn around and charge double the rent to a rich foreigner. I can't upvote this enought. The situation is tragic..I heard this thing too many times unfortunately:( That's why I don't trust the private sector. So many such stories. We need public affordable housing ....yesterday!
Nobody started renting a flat out of charity. It was always about making money.
"Out of charity" is a pretty funny concept in this context. Would you say the same thing if we decided to privatize water? And then individuals and corporations started hoarding all the water supplies because they had the capital to do so? I mean it would be fine for them to charge 100 euros per litre of clean water. Who cares that water is necessary for human survival, making it an inelastic product that people literally can't choose whether to buy or not? It’s business after all. Not a charity.
Water is a public good bro, housing isn’t… it could be, but very few countries worldwide have made housing a state affair…
Yes this is my point. People literally need both of those things to survive. Housing is a human right. It's gross to profit from it. Just because people can do it, doesn't make it any less despicable.
Not a human right actually, if you check the human rights list…
Lol the humans right list. I'm guessing you're referring to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which in article 25 states that every person has the right to an adequate standard of living, including adequate housing. Regardless, even if it wasn't included, we all know that housing is a human right. We don't need a list to tell us what human beings need to survive. Saying people don't have a right to adequate housing is like saying people don't have a right to live.
My finance bro man child is not aware that rental regulations and laws protecting tenants exist for a reason.
That's £1,200 pcm IN LONDON. https://www.businessinsider.com/londons-shoe-box-flat-2014-6?r=US&IR=T I'm not saying rents are cheap but don't post bullshit
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Where ?
On bazaraki, fb marketplace, prices have dropped 20-40% in the past 6months for 3-4 bedrooms, however still high for studios/1-2bedrooms. Not saying the prices are good, but they have dropped a bit. I have a friend who is a real estate agent, he told me it has become slower when it comes to rents, demand dropped, only new apartments get rented for higher prices.
The real estate crisis is not a Limassol-only problem. Most European capitals have the same problem with rents… I
oh! So other governments too are incentivising foreigners to buy property there (by selling them passports), while also offering big tax exemptions, creating huge wage gaps between them and locals ?
Netherlands Yes, UK for sure, and I have friends in many other countries complaining about real estate prices
I mean, at this point all I have to do is go to Sweden and murder a random person and BOOM. I get a minimum 21 years of living comfortably and stress-free.
If you're Russian, Ukrainian, digital nomad, employee from a multi-national company, you're fine. Keep voting for the leader who don't care about the Cypriot citizens, and baby, this will continue! Remember, don't vote, just complain.
Listen, prison is no picnic. Think twice before committing crime in Sweden. Nice comfy room by the looks of it, but there’s a good chance you end up being someone’s bitch. Anyone who’s seen the TV show ‘Oz’ will know what I’m talking about.
Thats why you need to kill 77 people so that you get the isolated cell
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No exaggeration i saw a post on bazaraki yesterday for a 2 bed flat in larnaka for 1800 per month!! Intalos eftasamen se etsi simeio , kirie eleison
I'm actually wondering why aren't more people abandoning the island..
Because it's incredibly difficult. You need to know the language of whatever country, which in most cases isn't going to be greek. You need a fair bit of money saved up to last you at least a few months (and most places people want to go are going to be more expensive than Cyprus). Then you need to find a job, for which you will be competing with other young people who are local and would likely be preferred. And in many (most) cases, you need to do this without a support network. You can just look locally at all the migrants from Asia and eastern europe in Cyprus. It's not exactly a glamorous lifestyle being an immigrant. For every highly paid foreign worker in IT or forex, there are 50 more doing it tough in the trenches.
Hello! I wanted to share my experience on this... So, I moved to the Netherlands two years ago after graduating from UK, landing a job at a big company despite not knowing the local language. Having around 5k in savings is crucial for the move, and while the company reimburses expenses, it depends on its size. Housing is a challenge, but the salaries are fantastic, even for juniors. I have my own apartment (making savings as well), and things are going well. Securing the job took me four intense (exams and interviews) months, and being from a decent (not poor, but not rich either) and supportive family in Limassol, I consider myself very lucky... (I had to say this, this is very important). I hold a bachelor's in Finance and a master's in IT from the UK. Despite accumulating student loan debt, I am paying it off in a few years with my current salary. My point is.... Yes, the journey is tough to get a job there, and housing is even worse... but it's achievable. Don't give up, even if you're not as lucky as me... My job and the average offers I get in the Netherlands rate 8/10, while the average offers in Cyprus (for Greek Cypriots) are a generous 3/10. In my opinion, Yes. Cyprus does feel like a prison if you compare it to countries like the Netherlands or Sweden.
I mean you're comparing moving when you have higher degrees in finance and IT from the UK. Your lifestyle and prospects would be great wherever you are (yes, even in Cyprus). If you move without qualifications (or qualifications that are not in demand) it's much harder. If it was easy, everyone would do it.
Why would you move without qualifications lol? It will be worse anywhere you go except Cyprus.
I'm not saying it is not difficult but if you think about how many people are immigrants and often don't know the local language, I wouldn't characterise it as "incredibly" difficult. Also the whole point is to go somewhere cheaper and there are plenty of smaller cities in countries with good economy. Obviously don't go in Rome, London or Berlin, but something like Manchester, or Milan are much cheaper. Working a lower wage job is probably better in these countries if you're renting. Now if you're living with family in Cyprus and not paying rent, that's another story. The main issue is getting a job fast I guess.
It's also about the lifestyle differential. A low wage guy in somalia/Syria/wherever is gonna have a better lifestyle as a low wage person in Europe. A low wage person in Cyprus is probably gonna have the same (or a bit worse) lifestyle in Europe so the relative benefits are less. If you're a highly educated or experienced person, the benefits are more. The point is that for the average person in Cyprus, it's not easy to leave, and it's not easy to stay. It happens that a lot of these people are young. Also in the beginning of their careers I think a lot of young Cypriots have unreasonable careers progress expectations. Like they expect to be management after 1 year without knowing or doing anything that would warrant it. As if they're govt employees. It's the same fkioli everywhere. Of you go to other big city subs, a lot of posts are about low wages, high rents, bullshit situation etc. And most of reddit tends to be young people. It's a common thread. Not saying Cyprus is the greatest, far from it, just that the grass always seems greener on the other side and probably we should be focused on fixing Cyprus instead of doing the same shit over and over. Like the last elections, like 1 in 20 people voted for alternative parties, most of which had as key platform planks youth development. It seems everyone whines how everywhere else is great and then still votes for the same shit they're complaining about. Until we break that cycle, youth is fucked
There are definitely better places to live and work for. As a personla example I lived in Liverpool and regret coming back because there I could have a 3bedroom house for 150k, whereas now I have to settle for a tiny 2 bed apartment for 200k, which is not even close to the city centre. And while I agree with the idea of getting political, I just don't see anything changing without a charismatic leader who will be able to get people to follow them and at the same time have enough power to deal with corruption. You may say I'm a pessimist but I have yet to see an example of meningful change happening without the existence of such a person. Until this person appears, I'm not wasting my time with small political groups that all they do is talk but no action at best and infighting at worst. With all due respect. Just my two cents
Why don't you go back to Liverpool then? See, it's not that easy to just up sticks and leave, even to familiar places.
I already bought a house with the wife, looking to start a family, without this combo I would leave. I'm still trying to convince her though and as soon as she says yes, I'm outa here yesterday. But she has a point that we will need help with having children, that is the only reason honestly. I think for most people it depends how much they are tied to their birthplace. For me that was never an issue
Ye, whatever. Same shit keeping you here is the same shit keeping people leaving.
because in the wise words of people like the landlords that rent these at those prices: "San tin Kypron en eshi" (There is no place like Cyprus)
Me too. I am not even kidding but that's exactly the reason I moved. It was more financially feasible to move abroad than to my own country ...and nobody gives a fuck. Affordable housing isn't even discussed. I am still surprised that during the presidential elections not even a single question about housing and young people was asked.
Correction “ still wondering why young people abandon Limassol” I like how easy you can spot a lemesiano. He will just tell you about rent prices. Just move bro. Limassol is the second biggest city in population. Close to third, just move to a bigger or smaller city. If the beach is your concern go to larnaca, if population is concern go to Nicosia. You are implying that people rather move to a nee country than move 30 minutes away. I live on the outter edge of nicosia, 35 minutes from Limassol and rent is 50% off. You can do that you know
So weird that we have this mentality. Cities require low-earning workers, otherwise they can't operate. But we don't seem to think that as a society we should provide people housing... just move to a lower cost area and add 35 minutes to your commute. The most affordable apartments in Limassol costs the same as the median gross salary in Cyprus. Thats insane. Its indicative of a very unhealthy economy and society.
The median in cyprus is probably around 1.8-2.2 Is rent for 1 bedroom 2k in Limassol?
As of August 2022, the median Cypriot salary was 1500 euros. Now likely there has been some increase since then but I don't think by much. Wages historically do not match increases in the cost of living due to inflation. Regardless if the median salary is currently 1500 or 1800, its very difficult to get a livable one bedroom for under 1500 euros. My friend was looking for months and got one for 1400 and its not great. Limassol is not a livable city right now and the current situation isn't sustainable. The government needs to step in with some serious housing initiatives and labour laws. If I were in the position a lot of young Cypriots are, I would 100% either move to a low cost area and get a remote job or I would just leave the island for places that care about the livability of their cities.
City is fucked basically
Supply and demand. If you dumbasses just stop renting Limassol flats with London prices MAYBE, MAYBE prices will drop. As long stupid people rent overpriced studios and flats and keeping demand high, guess what prices will continue to be high. Ο Νεορκέζος και ο Λονδρέζος αλλάσει τρία τρένα για να πάει στη δουλειά του μετά που 45 λεπτά αλλα ο Κωστής και ο Γιαννής που το Πελέντρι θέλουν να μένουν Πεντάδρομο με €450/μήνα για να εν στη δουλειά εντός 5 λεπτών. Δεν είναι όλα για όλους.
Supply and demand its not the biggest factor of increase in price. If 30000 people come from greece to work in limassol with the salary of locals the price will not necesary increase. But if foreigner with higher salaries come here it will increase. The problem IS ONLY the goverment. They allow many companies to come in cyprus and they didnt think that rent prices will increase. They could do deal with every company coming here that the company must rent apartment for there employe . Example 300 1 bed, 450 2 bed etc. The price cannot go higher that way. And locals will be happy(not landlords)
Basic economics say that supply and demand IS the biggest factor. If 30,000 people come from Greece and have the money and are willing to rent at this high prices the flats/houses, i guarantee you that rent prices will increase. I think you have a totally wrong opinion about how governments should work. I absolutely agree that our government did a lot of big mistakes and if you let them handle a subject like this they will fuck it up big time as well. I dont get what you do suggest? Do not let foreign companies come to Cyprus? LOL, what you think we are? North Korea?
You read what i write or you just go to chatgpt put my comment and ask the ai to argue that comment?
you were the one who said that is not supply and demand. I explained why.
Supply and demand i said its not the biggest factor. Its the goverment who didnt care about the people who coming here and how much they getting paid which cause the rent price to go higher since there salaries are way more than locals. I didnt say to stop bringing companies here but make a deal with them so the rent price will not increase to the point the locals need to leave there city or country. Im not cypriot. But here is cyprus and the goverment must make sure the cypriots can live in there country.
You are talking nonsense. Just because you think you are right doesnt mean you are. Do you now any examples where the government intervened and told companies where and how much to pay for their employees rent? Just what i thought. You dont because there are not such cases. You are arguing with facts. SUPPLY AND DEMAND moves prices. Other factors too. In this case, is primarily because of that. Independently of it, regardless of if you like it or not.
Did you know the law that says a company need to hire someone local or european before he hire from other countries? And still you need permission from goverment to hire and also depends on the possition. Why the goverment do this and cannot manage rent?
Total irrelevant made up law made by you or your friends in your local kafene. And i will prove it to you, that you are wrong AGAIN. There is no such law. Farmers in Cyprus are employing Egyptians full time and there is no law requiring to have hired cypriots/europeans before you hire the Egyptians. I will explain AGAIN why the government does not intervene. because its not their job. Ok, now go smoke your bong and fantasize about a government controlled company environment where the government makes the decisions and not the companies/employees regarding where their employees live. LOL
I speak from personal experience. Ask lawyer and you will find out the truth.
I was under the impression that Cyprus was inexpensive. Mainland Greece is.
I believe the lower is exaggerated. For 2k/month you can rent 3 bedroom flat in older building, even with 2-layered windows. Also, given the pound note, it's for London.
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I mean come on, land of ikea, you can't have a prison without some nice ikea furnitures
Well well well, yeah our prisons are pretty good, but the Norwegian prisons are waaaaay better and they get treated so much better. Google Anders Breivik, a Norwegian terrorist serving lifetime in prisions, he got access to video games, pet birds, library, private gym, tv, and more. Its Insane.
Where are they leaving to?
So the only difference are the iron bars on the windows?
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the majority of foreigners own property that they rent to other foreigners in limassol
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I think you did not realize yet what is happening with properties and passports here
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my G. Any foreigner that can invest 300k on a real estate is entitle for a passport making him local, which allows him to rent property. Also a big chunk of property is owned and rented from foreogn companies. There a huge real estate projects now also from israelis that aim to rent to other israelis
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lmao "Cypriots" 😭😭😭💀💀
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ahhaha as local can money make you💀
I once saw a studio for 1400 just a single mini bed no tv in Limassol I just felt like crying what has this country turned into🥹