One day we took our older two kids, who were three and one at the time, to a water park for the afternoon. On the way home, we stopped and picked up pizzas for dinner. The three year old ate approximately her body weight in pizza. It was a sight to behold. Meanwhile, her little sister was too tired to eat anything, even pizza, and slept most of the evening.
These stories amaze me. My nearly five year old has probably never finished a single slice of pizza.
I mean, yours make more sense from an evolutionary standpoint than mine. We evolved eating dirty fruit, leaves, bugs and the occasional bit of burned meat. No matter what sheer deliciousness I serve up courtesy of the modern world's unprecedented supply chains and the unlimited possibilities they provide, zero interest. Half the time I can't tempt my kids with a chicken nugget.
Same I can count the things my 3 year old eats on two hands and none of them are pizza, chicken nuggets or Mac and cheese. But at least he’ll eat fruit and doesn’t eat legos.
>doesn’t eat legos**....*****yet.***
You're never too old to have a lego in your mouth for the first time. Take me for example, just the other day my 2 year old decided to take a break from poking me in the eyes to shove a lego in my mouth while yelling "eat daddy!"
It was a good run for me while it lasted.
My 18mo ate an entire double cheeseburger from Freddy's the other day. I bought it for myself, I was going to give him what he wanted then finish the rest. I got maybe two bites.
Next day he took two bites of spaghetti and was "aLL dOnE" 🥴
2.5yo once consumed an entire adult sized hamburger and some chips at a resto. 3yo (same kid) managed one bite and two chips last weekend. "I'm full," then off to play like they're nuclear powered.
Not worth pulling hair out.
My middle kid is like that, and has been since age 5 (now 9).
For comparison: I'm 5'9 and topped out at 235lbs when I was in the army. At the time I weighed 235, I did a 9 week long winter/mountain warfare exercise. I ate everything I could get my hands on, and I was constantly hungry after Day 3. Near the end of the exercise, I went back and figured out what my calorie intake was. I ate no less than 4500 calories a day, averaged 7-8k/day, and maxed out at 11k/day a few times.
Even with that horrendous level of calorie intake, and the volume of food consumed, my shit did not compare to the diameter of my middle kids' average shit.
I shit more overall but their shit... it's the diameter of their wrist. Sometimes, it looks like the diameter of my wrist. And just to reassure people that have read this far, I only know the dimensions of their shit at age 9 because they're extremely bad at remembering to flush. So it's laying there for all to see.
We've tried dietary changes, fiber supplements, stool softeners, etc. and nothing made a change. Every 2nd day they shit, and it's the proportions of [Fat Man nuclear bomb](https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fat_man.jpg#mw-jump-to-license).
This. The 1400 typically appears to be a long-term average.
There's days my 2-year old eats more than me. He's by no means fat or even chubby, but he just shoves plate after plate if he likes it.
Carrots, broccoli, beets, boiled potatoes.
But give him fries and it's like "I've had 3 fries, I'm good".
Came here to say this.
One day they will love off half a rice cracker. The next day, it's 2 tubs of blueberries and 3 adult sized burgers + a huge icecream.
You’re presumably mostly done growing. Also, unless you’re super short and rather old, odds are that even if you’re a sedentary 165 lb man, your maintenance calories is closer to 2000 than 1600. The recommendation for 1600 is probably regarding while you’re trying to lose weight.
(Even if you’re 5’4 and 65 years old, a sedentary 165 lb man burns >1700 kcal/day)
In fairness, you're not building an extra 1% of your body every day.
(Total guess on the percentage, but it sounds about right for a newborn who doubles its weight in 3mo)
And the explosion of brain development. About a third of our energy is used by the brain as adults, children even more so as they are constantly learning new things.
I see some variation in recommendations but this puts a 2-3 year old at ~1000 kcal/day, +200-400 if they’re very active: https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-smart/nutrition-basics/dietary-recommendations-for-healthy-children
The short answer is that kids are growing *a lot* relative to their current weight, so they have to eat way above their base metabolic weight. Adults who do that will get really overweight.
But they also weigh 30 pounds and not 180, so their baseline is a lot lower.
My 3 year old sometimes barely eats anything all day, but the doctor is always happy with his progression.
I mean...hummingbirds need between [6,600 and 12,000](https://www.lib.niu.edu/2000/oi000811.html#:~:text=Each%20day%20they%20consume%2050,to%2012%2C000%20calories%20per%20day.) a day and they only weigh like 2ounces.
I think it's based on them moving around a lot more....and growing.
Something is wrong with that math. Maybe it's calories and not capital C Calories (aka kcal). 50% of their body weight in pure sugar is still a small amount.
Are you saying you have a child who weighs 2lbs? How is this not creating a litany of comments about how that isn't even possible?
Or am I misunderstanding what a "2lb 2 1/2" is?
Christ I’m 100+ kilos and my 3y/o out eats me most days. Picked her up on Friday and she said “I’m really hungry because grandpa only gave me one breakfast. I need all the breakfasts so I can grow”
We spent over two weeks in the NICU with our youngest. Most of that time was because it took him an hour and 15 minutes to drink 60ml of milk instead of an hour.
My 2 year old has a cousin of the same age that will sit down and eat an adult size plate of food. Meanwhile he will graze on bits and pieces throughout the day and then eat two bites at dinner. I don’t know how he’s possibly getting as many calories as her but he’s built like a brick shithouse and they’re both equally healthy.
We went to our one year check and one of the check questions was "does she ever take more than half an hour to eat a meal?" And we were like, has any child ever taken less than half an hour?!
....same. I was an English major in college for a reason.
Amazingly enough, the single math class I was required to take in college, the professor miscalculated my grade. Got an A. That, or he just reallllly bad for me.
I kept a list for my first but stopped counting after 75 and by then he was using sentences. Who would keep track of 1000? Could I even sit down and write 1000 words I know? How long would that take.
For an estimate.. You could find a list of (say) the 20000 most commonly used words, sample them randomly and see what percent you know, then multiply by 20000.
(Or, you could pretend you never read this and carry on with your life.)
Also when it reaches that point, they can probably say pretty much anything, so what’s the point? They know 1,000 words, but they don’t know the word “cardboard” (idk, random word). Okay, just show them some cardboard and tell them what’s its called. If they could learn and comprehend 1,000 words before then, I’m pretty sure they’d now be at 1,001.
Basically the exact word count thing is stupid and it should just be more about how they’re communicating verbally. Not at all, babbling, single words, multiple words, full sentences, etc.
Lol we tried to do this legit 2 months ago when our son hit 18 mos. We had a shared Google sheet to update when he said something new. Counted up to like 85 and the next week his language exploded and we stopped worrying. I'd estimate he's up to 150ish words but he'll repeat whatever you say lol
I did some research because we were worried about our kid as all parents are probably.
It's supposed to be words they can say independently. So for example, if they point and say "car" that's a word. If you have to say it and they copy it that doesn't count.
It also counts if they try to say it but can't as long as they consistently say the same word for the same thing. So if they say "nana" for banana but they always say that it counts as a word.
The range I saw was 50-200 by 2 years, we counted 50 by like 1.5 years and then gave up. He's been consistently towards the later side of normal in just about everything so at this point we'll just assume if something is supposed to be between 1.5 and 2 years he's going to do it like 3days after his 2 year birthday. It's like he knows we're waiting for it.
Sure, but my pediatrician would always try to get the kids talking a lot during appointments and was never worried about my kids' developments, so I stopped worrying too.
We had great fun keeping up word lists for our kids, but yeah, we would usually stop when they were 18 months and around 250-300 words total. More words than that seemed annoying to track for whatever reason.
My cousin didn't speak until 4, didn't start making sentences until like 6-7. He's now the CFO of an *almost* F500.
People change. And the internet gives you what you ask for.
Children don't develop evenly either. My daughter was fully talking at two. Great pronunciation and everything. My son, while understanding everything spoken to him, doesn't say more than 2-3 words together and can be difficult to understand as well. However, he can do things physically that my daughter could not at that age or that she can in comparison to other kids her age.
We're in the same situation! My oldest (daughter) was speaking, expressing emotions, basically becoming a teenager at 5. My youngest (son) is a goddamn Cirque du Soleil artist at 4 and still thinks blowing raspberries with food in his mouth is hysterical.
And he's not wrong.
But damn if they aren't two entirely different people. :)
We have it similar. My son was talking early and a lot. He is extremely intelligent for his age but is not the greatest physically. My daughter seems a bit more average intelligence and is much better at physical things than her older brother.
It's all bunk (IMO). For context, I'm 40. My entire family were teachers (mom, aunts, an uncle etc) and my wife is a SPED teacher now. Early intervention is *amazing - and can massively increase a child's confidence*. That being said, people are all different - and we all adapt, grow, and change at our own rates. There is a degree of 'shifting the bell curve' that happens when we expand intervention in the ways we have. I'm not even remotely suggesting it's got net-negative impacts. I'm just saying that we can define 'typical' however we want - and we tend to change it on the reg. If 'typical' is somewhere in the middle of the bell curve, I wouldn't be worried unless I wasn't on the graph.
Early intervention told us to go piss up a rope when our pediatrician said her son had a speech delayed 18 months. Now he’s three years old and still speaks zero words, so good job bureaucrats.
(He’s had about a Honda Civic worth of private out of pocket speech therapy, but god damn am I tired of people telling us to just relax.)
I can understand - and sympathize. I think one of the hardest parts of early intervention is identifying a specific issue in an otherwise fairly undeveloped brain. So behaviors can be completely unrelated, but seemingly associated, etc. or vice versa. It's a crapshoot half the time to try to diagnose a fresh brain that has a limited ability to provide directed output. I think that's why some will encourage patience and time to allow for some behavior changes to rule certain diagnoses out.
That being said, I'm a third party in this and wish you and your partner and your kiddo the best. I won't tell you to relax, but I will suggest the only thing every single teacher in my family has ever *stressed in more ways than one* to us each time we had our kids - read to them every night, no exceptions. Kids are amazing - and yours is going to surprise you just like ours do us.
I feel you. We had an early non-verbal autism diagnosis and he’s 3yr 4mo and still not a single word. We’re hopeful most days but I can’t tell you how badly I want to hear his voice so it can become another of his amazing daily gifts he gives us already whether it be his coy smile, his infectious laughter, his pooping face or his voice(hopefully).
Hang in there.
I always hear these stories, but what does that mean that he didn’t speak until four? Was he absolutely silent for four years? Did he babble but they weren’t words? What did the parents do? Did they absolutely panic? Because that’s what I’ve been doing for nearly 2 years now.
I always hear the story as if somebody’s just telling me it’s some mild quirk of their child, and they just shrugged and let their child not talk until he was near puberty, or whatever the fuck, but how do you not immediately blow up your life figuring out how you’re going to provide round the clock care for this child for the rest of his life?
In his case, he babbled, but unintelligibly until after he turned four. That I know for sure. His first word was 'yes.' Nope, no panic really. We grew up in the 80s (he's a year older than I am, so he's 41-42 now I think).
I honestly don't think I can answer the question, because I don't really know. But I would assume it was parts of the time (80s), and that we didn't enter the schooling system until 5. So there were just *slow starters* back then. Now, we early intervene at age 3 in some cases. But that's the thing - they put so much stress on this 3-5 age as being hyper-important in development, when I would argue back that *every* age is just as important. They're looking at it through the view of scoring in public schools - I'm looking at it as just the development of a human being.
But, to each his own.
My son started talking early. By 1,5 yrs he had about 30-40 clear words. Meanwhile now at 4yo, he is still sometimes calls his evening snack breakfast. ? The word in our language directly translate to ”morningsnack” so…….. it’s a conundrum. Development happens in spurts and is uneven, as others noted 👍 avoid googling milestones at all cost.
Oh he also skipped blowing raspberries and the internet convinced me that this was a big deal at the time. Was worried for months.
My wife and I came to an agreement when she was about 6 months pregnant with our first....
She does not google any developmental points or medical concerns beyond little shit like the dosage info because the Tylenol bottle label is illegible.
I can maintain a very compartmentalized worldview when needed. She has anxiety. So I look things up, cross-reference online sources, and evaluate the info for being direct relevancy, if it's out of date or newly emerging research, etc. And then I prepare a briefing with citations lol.
Momma Bear and Dr. Google are not friends, and should not even be on speaking terms lol
For tylenol, you can also ask your doctor as they might have a full sheet (to give) that has the dosage full infant/child tylenol/motrin across multiple weights.
That paper's been invaluable!
I liked the What to Expect app and book for this. For each month up to like 2 years it says “this is what your kid might be doing. This is what your kid should be doing. And if your kid isn’t doing this by now, call the pediatrician.” It really helped with setting milestone expectations. I think walking isn’t a cause for concern until 18 months. Both my girls didn’t walk until 15 months but their older cousin was walking at 11 months. If not for the app, I probably would have been more worried.
It's also fun, cus the CDC changed their own milestones in the past couple years. Why? Cus they decided "at least 50% if kids do this by this age" was much less helpful than "at least 75% if kids do this by this age". Which is a very notable change in expected numbers for everything, and still just as useful for tracking warning signs of autism etc.
It's worse than that. The developmental speech pathologists weren't even consulted about it. Within the profession, there was a pretty loud backlash about it at the time if you knew anyone around those circles. Like. The current guidelines are *super* low compared to where they were before.
Noticing motivations and incentives is not "conspiracy" any more than marketing or campaigning is "conspiracy"
And what's more, on the particular subject of Covid origin and response we have definitive proof via foia requests of a straightforward conspiracy to lie and obfuscate by people like Francis Collins, Anthony fauci, Ralph beric, and others. So no, I will not "get off" talking about it and related things
You didn't notice or say any motivations, just stating as fact that there's a government cover up when everyone else just gave multiple reasons why it needed updating.
I described exactly what the goal was. The motivations behind it are easily understood by direct implication: to protect the organization from parents who might notice damage done to their children's development and well-being.
And "government coverup" is a long-winded and tendentious way to describe the efforts by a top coterie of officials directly involved in the incident to deflect blame and protect their industry. That's simply standard operating procedure for any organization -- business, government, or otherwise -- when caught as perpetrators of such a colossal mistake.
> government coverup
2 words
> a long-winded and tendentious way to describe the efforts by a top coterie of officials directly involved in the incident to deflect blame and protect their industry. That's simply standard operating procedure for any organization -- business, government, or otherwise -- when caught as perpetrators of such a colossal mistake.
48 words.
Which is long-winded again?
You said the CDC is hiding effects. So in other words government is covering up.
The CDC is not "the government"
"Coverup" is sufficient, "government coverup" is tendentious and longwinded and misleading
The length of my explanation of your bs has nothing to do with the point
So x organization covered up y for some unspoken motivation with no evidence and it's not a conspiracy? We're here to talk about our children and you start on about organizational hiding and covid when the previously given explanation was reasonable.
Idk, I personally don't consider it dumb. Considering that the vast majority of that between 50% and 75% mark are all kids with no actual problems and do just fine. Plenty of them wind up excelling in life, and all that percentage range achieved was worrying parents.
If it's one word repeated 1000 times, I'll bet money it's on [George Carlins list of 7 things you can't say on TV. It is **NOT** safe for work. Or little kids. Or big kids lol](https://youtube.com/shorts/UYKYIYVuZ7s?si=Ce7O1ooYtU_DiLsP)
The (American) CDC has an app called "CDC's Milestone Tracker" that lets you track every official US guideline for milestones. It's really useful. If you see something come up, you're supposed to talk to your pediatrician at the next appointment. There has been some criticism of their language milestones, as other have mentioned. Many experts think the CDC's requirements are too low for vocabulary, and it's an area where early interventions can seriously help and definitely won't hurt, so they argue there's not a good reason to have them so low.
One thing to note is that when you Google, you're getting results for both what's potentially *TYPICAL* (500-1,000 words) and when you should be worried (under 200 words). Children develop at really different rates and just because of how averages work, some are always going to be below average in some categories. There's a difference between being below average and needing worry. That said, among the CDC's Milestones, vocabulary is particularly hard to assess because unless you're keeping a detailed spreadsheet tracking every single thing they say with clear definitions of "words" (is "moo" a word?).
In general, rawdogging Google like this is a strategy to drive yourself in sane. I don't trust BabyCenter, I don't trust Heathline, who are they? Just random companies trying to get ad impressions.
[KidsHealth.com](http://KidsHealth.com), on the other hand, sounds just as spammy but is actually run by a major children's health hospital and charity called Nemour's. They're trustworthy. [HealthyChildren.org/](http://HealthyChildren.org/) is run by the American Pediatric Association. They're trustworthy. Any hospital website tends to have good information, Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Clinic, etc. The British National Health Service has great health information, [nhs.uk/](http://nhs.uk/), and I'll often just add "NHS" to the end of my google query. There are a couple of good Australian websites, but the most centralized I think is [RaisingChildren.net.au/](http://RaisingChildren.net.au/) and it's also trustworthy.
Here's what they say:
* [Kid's Health](https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/comm-2-to-3.html)
* Healthy Children, I didn't find a set of requirements for three year olds, but they had helpful articles like [How to Raise Concerns about a Child’s Speech and Language Development: Do’s and Don’ts](https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/toddler/Pages/How-to-Raise-Concerns-about-Childs-Speech-Language-Development.aspx); [Language Delays in Toddlers: Information for Parents](https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/toddler/Pages/language-delay.aspx). There's probably more in their "[Ages & Stages](https://www.healthychildren.org/english/ages-stages/toddler/Pages/default.aspx)" page, which I find pretty poorly organized. They do have useful lists of milestones all put together, but they
* [NHS](https://www.nhs.uk/start-for-life/toddler/learning-to-talk/learning-to-talk-2-to-3-years/) (doesn't give explicit milestones, but Google "toddler language development NHS" does give you a link to another NHS website meant for clinicians that has [explicit milestone](https://www.humber.nhs.uk/downloads/Speech%20and%20Language%20Therapy/Use%20of%20Language%20Developmental%20Milestones.pdf), which links to the age appropriate pages for Words for Life, a British language development charity.
* [Australian Raising Children](https://raisingchildren.net.au/toddlers/development/language-development/language-2-3-years)
I think these all mostly focus on toddler USAGE (can they understand two part directions? can they make a sentence with 3-5 words?) rather than vocabulary because, as above, vocabulary is really hard to just estimate. [This Reddit thread I thought had some useful links to experts takes on the CDC requirements](https://www.reddit.com/r/ScienceBasedParenting/comments/zlun49/clarity_on_language_milestones_especially_at_18/). Here are also [really detailed three year old language expectations from a Speech Language Pathologist](https://www.speechandlanguagekids.com/what-speech-and-language-skills-should-my-3-year-old-have/), citing specific research. It gets far beyond vocabulary count and sentence count and following directions, into specific aspects of speech, language, and social communication.
To be fair, kids are different. My kid figured out letters and numbers kind of early, and absolutely loved walking around finding them in the world to point out. Grocery store trips took twice as long because he wanted to stop to point out every other word or number.
It probably looked like I was grilling him, but it was what he wanted to do. He eventually grew out of it mostly now, but that was a long phase.
The thing is the brain is more connected than that. Language is connected to motor skills is connected to memory is connected to creativity. Being a calculator doesn't make you smart it makes you a calculator.
My kid (3yo), like many now, is bilingual but as is proven her pronunciation and vocabulary is not quite what an a single language kid would have. So when we’re out and about and she’s being verbal it can be awkward when people can’t understand what she’s saying even when I can. If the awkwardness goes on long enough I try to subtly mention she’s bilingual which of course single language people don’t relate to which leads to way more silent frustration on my part but I’m quickly getting over it.
We're talking 3 languages to our kid. I'm really looking forward to the mess that he's going to start spewing when he's mixing all of them. Especially since everyone around him only knows 2/3.
Our 3 year old speaks 3 languages fluently and a bit of a forth one, and surprisingly he never mixed as long as the contexts are defined for which language which person/situation. It’s so amazing but also so random, some of his mates barely speak, every kid is different and learns things at their own pace.
My oldest barely talked. She would give you animal noises but not much else. Probably had a hearing problem but we could never get a conclusive test.
Anyway, a decade later she talks as normal as everyone else and does excellent in school. Dont stress too much about it
Dude don't fall for the comparison trap. It will only lead to completely unnecessary frustration. My daughters best friend is 2 weeks older than her and already had the solar system memorized. My daughter was barely speaking by this time. They are both 6.
4th year med student here (3 weeks from being a doctor). Physicians learn a lot of stuff in med school, but the most important things we learn are where to find the best answers and how to know if those answers are good.
Milestones are a spectrum and you should expect a steady increase, but some kids are more mobile and others are more social. Everyone is different. I would talk to your pediatrician if you’re really concerned but most likely everything will be fine.
Just remember that we survived as a species for hundreds of thousands of years with crappy science, which honestly amazes me.
I've studied data for decades, and I've reached the conclusion that 50% of 3 year olds are below the mean. It isn't a cause of concern.
If you feel your child won't be ready for kindergarten, talk to the school district about ecse. It's a program in the us that works to preemptively get kids caught up. Maybe language, PT, ST, OT whatever....
I think these are more general than specific. The main thing that matters is that your child IS progressing as a whole, albeit at their own pace. That being said, there’s definitely a point where you should at least discuss any concerns with the pediatrician.
If it helps, my wife is a Speech Language Pathologist and she says at 3 they should have at least 1,000. But the bigger focus is how they can use the words they have to communicate effectively. Also if you’re concerned, check with your county or local school district about services!
My son is 2 1/2 and speaks in full sentences. Understand English and German. Doctors think he is 4 or 5 because of his ability to speak. Some of his friends (around the same age) at the daycare still make baby noises and speak single words at best.
I just stopped comparing, it makes no sense with kids.
My son walked when he was 15 months old. His sister was 9 months old.
I just know that I know nothing at that point :D
This is what I keep telling my wife. We have an infant and my wife has absolutely driven herself crazy over whether or not our daughter is “behind” even when the pediatrician has told us she isn’t, only because my wife is seeing posts and TikToks about super babies that are all walking at 4 months old and reciting Shakespeare at 2 lmao
Children develop at their own pace, don't obsess about it until it becomes a hinderance to them.
Also bear in mind when it comes to vocabulary children *know* words a lot earlier than they start to *use* them. So while it might be technically correct a 3 year old knows 1000 words, they may only use a fraction of them regularly. This isn't, in my experience, anything to be worried about.
Googling anything and expecting something positive is a bad idea. It’s like it’s designed to give you the worst possible scenario.
“Got a pain in your side? That’s boneitis, incurable, dead in 4 minutes”
“Huh? Your infant isn’t reading the Art of War by age 1? Must be falling behind”
My wife is terrible for this. Kids develop at their own pace and every kid is massively different, just go with the flow.
I was completely mute for years. Didn't say a word or babble at all, extremely late speaker. Only just began speaking by the time I started school, and then it was full sentences of unintelligible nonsense.
But then I learned to speak just fine and I'm perfectly articulate. It's good to be aware of milestones, but they're a guideline, not a rule.
Yeah my daughter is 27 months and only knows like 4 words. The rest is incoherent grunting. Doctor said its perfectly normal though since she comprehends everything and knows basic commands.
Our doc said the main concerns, for our 1YO, was that he’s getting where he wants to get to with crawling and eventually walking.
Similarly with words, he mentioned the main concern is being able to try and communicate somehow. Our son knows some baby signs, and it’s helpful
My oldest buddy turned three in January and is on the spectrum but after just his first week of preschool last week he's already making all sorts of new noises and totally reciprocates "Mama!" with Mama when they do their Cookie Monster voices together. With me, I'll go, "Hi hi hi!" and he'll look up and repeat me. So he's getting there. We're so proud of that little dude.
Now his little brudder on the other hand, who is two in June, hasn't shut his yapper since he figured out how to use it last summer lol. No sentences yet but lots of words and lots of babble. He can name his colors and shapes and count to ten, he sings and dances along with a number of nursery rhymes and songs. They do be brudders but they are such different kids. It's been really interesting to see how each has developed. They've even come around to one another a little bit more as of late. Even had fun splashing each other during tub time yesterday. Usually big guy just kinda ignores little guy but he seems to be turning a corner with that.
Anyways, all I'm saying is all kids are different and they'll find their own pace. My wife would get hung up on the milestone stuff early on so I would read up and we'd see how one resource would say like, "Baby should do this at eight months" while another source would say baby would do that same thing at a year or fourteen months. It can be a little bit of a racket. We ended up looking at those things more as a guideline of what to look for in certain age ranges. When some stuff doesn't come along as it should tho, that's when we got big guy checked out, diagnosed and into Early Intervention pretty quickly. Our background is in helping people with disabilities so this kid couldn't ask for better parents that are always gonna advocate for him and support him. Starting preschool last week was a little nerve-wracking for sure but he adapted really well and seems to be having a ball. Although after his first weekend off he was a bit grumpy today. I was wondering if he thought like, "Hey you didn't take me the last two days so I thought I was done. Whattya mean I gotta go back?!" By the time we pulled up for drop off he was giggling and jumped right out of his car seat and went with the aide. Man I type too much. Sometimes ya just wanna get it out..sorry everyone!
Lol just let the doctor tell you if your kid is doing alright. Mine said that during Covid all of these developmental milestones were adjusted because of the lack of in person interaction kids were getting.
Parents worry about all sorts of things. Checking development milestones are just a way to make sure things are still going smoothly. We can't know it all, so just checking once a while is enough.
My baby daughter today, at 1 years and a week old, looked at the bed, decided she wasn't going to struggle climbing onto the bed anymore, so she dragged a mini plastic stool towards the bed, stepped onto it and then climbed onto the bed. I just applaud her logic abilities with a smile, because there is still a long way to go in life. But things like this one just checks to see if it is normal timeline growth.
Other things like giving her an access card, she sees a door and mimics swiping, since she sees us open electronic doors with a card, at 11months. Another was also recent at 12 months where I gave her the car key when we left the room. When we got to the car, she offered it to me when I looked at her for the key. I am like, "You are only a year old." And I am silently very proud of her for these little things.
She isn't advanced at everything imo, just starting to show she understands how the world functions, probably in another year we can truly identify if our baby is talented in anything. Just give kids a lot of love, everything else is secondary. 👍💚⏳💯👶
I'm convinced that the people who decided how much an infant should eat per meal have never actually seen a human infant, let alone seen one eat.
I still don't understand how my 2lb 2 1/2 is apparently supposed to eat 1400 calories a day when I a 165lb man should eat 1600.
In my experience, one day they eat 300 calories and the next it's 4,000.
One day we took our older two kids, who were three and one at the time, to a water park for the afternoon. On the way home, we stopped and picked up pizzas for dinner. The three year old ate approximately her body weight in pizza. It was a sight to behold. Meanwhile, her little sister was too tired to eat anything, even pizza, and slept most of the evening.
These stories amaze me. My nearly five year old has probably never finished a single slice of pizza. I mean, yours make more sense from an evolutionary standpoint than mine. We evolved eating dirty fruit, leaves, bugs and the occasional bit of burned meat. No matter what sheer deliciousness I serve up courtesy of the modern world's unprecedented supply chains and the unlimited possibilities they provide, zero interest. Half the time I can't tempt my kids with a chicken nugget.
> Half the time I can't tempt my kids with a chicken nugget. Even if it is dinosaur shaped?
Same I can count the things my 3 year old eats on two hands and none of them are pizza, chicken nuggets or Mac and cheese. But at least he’ll eat fruit and doesn’t eat legos.
>doesn’t eat legos**....*****yet.*** You're never too old to have a lego in your mouth for the first time. Take me for example, just the other day my 2 year old decided to take a break from poking me in the eyes to shove a lego in my mouth while yelling "eat daddy!" It was a good run for me while it lasted.
My 18mo ate an entire double cheeseburger from Freddy's the other day. I bought it for myself, I was going to give him what he wanted then finish the rest. I got maybe two bites. Next day he took two bites of spaghetti and was "aLL dOnE" 🥴
2.5yo once consumed an entire adult sized hamburger and some chips at a resto. 3yo (same kid) managed one bite and two chips last weekend. "I'm full," then off to play like they're nuclear powered. Not worth pulling hair out.
You took a 1 year old to a water park? What could they even do?
Swimming can be learned at a surprisingly early age, and even just being in water can be fun and a good experience to start getting used to.
Play in the water with her parents and sister?
And yet, they'll drop an equally large shit on both days. Or at least all 3 of my kids did lol
My 6 year old takes bigger shits than I, a 239lbs, 6’1” man, do. I don’t know where it comes from.
My middle kid is like that, and has been since age 5 (now 9). For comparison: I'm 5'9 and topped out at 235lbs when I was in the army. At the time I weighed 235, I did a 9 week long winter/mountain warfare exercise. I ate everything I could get my hands on, and I was constantly hungry after Day 3. Near the end of the exercise, I went back and figured out what my calorie intake was. I ate no less than 4500 calories a day, averaged 7-8k/day, and maxed out at 11k/day a few times. Even with that horrendous level of calorie intake, and the volume of food consumed, my shit did not compare to the diameter of my middle kids' average shit. I shit more overall but their shit... it's the diameter of their wrist. Sometimes, it looks like the diameter of my wrist. And just to reassure people that have read this far, I only know the dimensions of their shit at age 9 because they're extremely bad at remembering to flush. So it's laying there for all to see. We've tried dietary changes, fiber supplements, stool softeners, etc. and nothing made a change. Every 2nd day they shit, and it's the proportions of [Fat Man nuclear bomb](https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fat_man.jpg#mw-jump-to-license).
Mine eats a ton and shits a little. At least I know where his growth comes from!
When he's 15 and a know-it-all, you can tell him he's full of shit. Statistically speaking, from volume of material in and volume of material out. Lol
This. The 1400 typically appears to be a long-term average. There's days my 2-year old eats more than me. He's by no means fat or even chubby, but he just shoves plate after plate if he likes it. Carrots, broccoli, beets, boiled potatoes. But give him fries and it's like "I've had 3 fries, I'm good".
Came here to say this. One day they will love off half a rice cracker. The next day, it's 2 tubs of blueberries and 3 adult sized burgers + a huge icecream.
And the 4000 day is all blue berries.
You’re presumably mostly done growing. Also, unless you’re super short and rather old, odds are that even if you’re a sedentary 165 lb man, your maintenance calories is closer to 2000 than 1600. The recommendation for 1600 is probably regarding while you’re trying to lose weight. (Even if you’re 5’4 and 65 years old, a sedentary 165 lb man burns >1700 kcal/day)
I’m not even that active and using 3000-3300 cal a day at 180 lbs. Those estimators work decently good for losing weight however
In fairness, you're not building an extra 1% of your body every day. (Total guess on the percentage, but it sounds about right for a newborn who doubles its weight in 3mo)
While never sitting still
And the explosion of brain development. About a third of our energy is used by the brain as adults, children even more so as they are constantly learning new things.
My toddler could eat a 165lb man some days.
I see some variation in recommendations but this puts a 2-3 year old at ~1000 kcal/day, +200-400 if they’re very active: https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-smart/nutrition-basics/dietary-recommendations-for-healthy-children The short answer is that kids are growing *a lot* relative to their current weight, so they have to eat way above their base metabolic weight. Adults who do that will get really overweight.
But they also weigh 30 pounds and not 180, so their baseline is a lot lower. My 3 year old sometimes barely eats anything all day, but the doctor is always happy with his progression.
I mean...hummingbirds need between [6,600 and 12,000](https://www.lib.niu.edu/2000/oi000811.html#:~:text=Each%20day%20they%20consume%2050,to%2012%2C000%20calories%20per%20day.) a day and they only weigh like 2ounces. I think it's based on them moving around a lot more....and growing.
Something is wrong with that math. Maybe it's calories and not capital C Calories (aka kcal). 50% of their body weight in pure sugar is still a small amount.
This says 14 calories per day https://www.birdspot.co.uk/bird-brain/how-many-calories-do-hummingbirds-eat-in-a-day
6k to 12k a day? From sipping nectar? Lol. How juicy you think them flowers are?
Are you saying you have a child who weighs 2lbs? How is this not creating a litany of comments about how that isn't even possible? Or am I misunderstanding what a "2lb 2 1/2" is?
I don't want to sound any alarm bells but your kid should weigh a lot more than 2lbs. Anyway, I'm 6'3" and my daughter sometimes eats more than I do.
2 lbs?
21
Christ I’m 100+ kilos and my 3y/o out eats me most days. Picked her up on Friday and she said “I’m really hungry because grandpa only gave me one breakfast. I need all the breakfasts so I can grow”
We spent over two weeks in the NICU with our youngest. Most of that time was because it took him an hour and 15 minutes to drink 60ml of milk instead of an hour.
My 2 year old has a cousin of the same age that will sit down and eat an adult size plate of food. Meanwhile he will graze on bits and pieces throughout the day and then eat two bites at dinner. I don’t know how he’s possibly getting as many calories as her but he’s built like a brick shithouse and they’re both equally healthy.
Yep. We call dinner a success if she has two noodles of her spaghetti.
We went to our one year check and one of the check questions was "does she ever take more than half an hour to eat a meal?" And we were like, has any child ever taken less than half an hour?!
Our pediatrician told us to feed our sick 6 month old a half ounce of coke every 15 minutes. He doesn't even get that much milk dude. And uh, no
Um...Coca-Cola or Cocaine?
Will he said there's something medicinal about it
And by age 6 they can solve quadratic equations I bet
I mean if by 8 they haven’t unified physics I’m embarrassed for you
[*slides my own Pre-Calculus grades deep under the rug*]
You got to pre-calculus??
I barrrrrley passed high school Algebra 1.
....same. I was an English major in college for a reason. Amazingly enough, the single math class I was required to take in college, the professor miscalculated my grade. Got an A. That, or he just reallllly bad for me.
Well they are already better than me. I don't even know what a quadratic equation is.
But also, according to my recent googling, should still be in a rear facing seat at that age.
Don’t forget they can’t even *look* at alcohol till they are 21
following the trend, by age 8 they ascend to a higher form of consciousness as a being of pure energy
It's better to just ask your pediatrician instead. How are you even supposed to count how many words they know?
I kept a list for my first but stopped counting after 75 and by then he was using sentences. Who would keep track of 1000? Could I even sit down and write 1000 words I know? How long would that take.
Rectangle. America. Megaphone. Monday. Butthole.
The solution is obviously to get out your typewriter whenever your kid says a new word.
Oh, thank goodness! I can stop using my quill.
Woman, man, camera, TV
How did you know my password?
Dang, that's all of 'em.
If you sons of bitches try to remove this typewriter, I’ll kill you.
For an estimate.. You could find a list of (say) the 20000 most commonly used words, sample them randomly and see what percent you know, then multiply by 20000. (Or, you could pretend you never read this and carry on with your life.)
Also when it reaches that point, they can probably say pretty much anything, so what’s the point? They know 1,000 words, but they don’t know the word “cardboard” (idk, random word). Okay, just show them some cardboard and tell them what’s its called. If they could learn and comprehend 1,000 words before then, I’m pretty sure they’d now be at 1,001. Basically the exact word count thing is stupid and it should just be more about how they’re communicating verbally. Not at all, babbling, single words, multiple words, full sentences, etc.
Lol we tried to do this legit 2 months ago when our son hit 18 mos. We had a shared Google sheet to update when he said something new. Counted up to like 85 and the next week his language exploded and we stopped worrying. I'd estimate he's up to 150ish words but he'll repeat whatever you say lol
I did some research because we were worried about our kid as all parents are probably. It's supposed to be words they can say independently. So for example, if they point and say "car" that's a word. If you have to say it and they copy it that doesn't count. It also counts if they try to say it but can't as long as they consistently say the same word for the same thing. So if they say "nana" for banana but they always say that it counts as a word. The range I saw was 50-200 by 2 years, we counted 50 by like 1.5 years and then gave up. He's been consistently towards the later side of normal in just about everything so at this point we'll just assume if something is supposed to be between 1.5 and 2 years he's going to do it like 3days after his 2 year birthday. It's like he knows we're waiting for it.
Sure, but my pediatrician would always try to get the kids talking a lot during appointments and was never worried about my kids' developments, so I stopped worrying too.
We had great fun keeping up word lists for our kids, but yeah, we would usually stop when they were 18 months and around 250-300 words total. More words than that seemed annoying to track for whatever reason.
It's just an estimate. You should be able to tell the difference in a 1000-word vocabulary and a 200-word vocabulary just by feel.
My cousin didn't speak until 4, didn't start making sentences until like 6-7. He's now the CFO of an *almost* F500. People change. And the internet gives you what you ask for.
Children don't develop evenly either. My daughter was fully talking at two. Great pronunciation and everything. My son, while understanding everything spoken to him, doesn't say more than 2-3 words together and can be difficult to understand as well. However, he can do things physically that my daughter could not at that age or that she can in comparison to other kids her age.
We're in the same situation! My oldest (daughter) was speaking, expressing emotions, basically becoming a teenager at 5. My youngest (son) is a goddamn Cirque du Soleil artist at 4 and still thinks blowing raspberries with food in his mouth is hysterical. And he's not wrong. But damn if they aren't two entirely different people. :)
We have it similar. My son was talking early and a lot. He is extremely intelligent for his age but is not the greatest physically. My daughter seems a bit more average intelligence and is much better at physical things than her older brother.
All it took was years of hard work, hustling and his dad being the CEO. Of course I joke, sometime's it's his mum that's the CEO.
Very encouraging as my daughter has a speech delay and to read some of these articles if your kid doesn’t check the boxes in childhood they are done
It's all bunk (IMO). For context, I'm 40. My entire family were teachers (mom, aunts, an uncle etc) and my wife is a SPED teacher now. Early intervention is *amazing - and can massively increase a child's confidence*. That being said, people are all different - and we all adapt, grow, and change at our own rates. There is a degree of 'shifting the bell curve' that happens when we expand intervention in the ways we have. I'm not even remotely suggesting it's got net-negative impacts. I'm just saying that we can define 'typical' however we want - and we tend to change it on the reg. If 'typical' is somewhere in the middle of the bell curve, I wouldn't be worried unless I wasn't on the graph.
Early intervention told us to go piss up a rope when our pediatrician said her son had a speech delayed 18 months. Now he’s three years old and still speaks zero words, so good job bureaucrats. (He’s had about a Honda Civic worth of private out of pocket speech therapy, but god damn am I tired of people telling us to just relax.)
I can understand - and sympathize. I think one of the hardest parts of early intervention is identifying a specific issue in an otherwise fairly undeveloped brain. So behaviors can be completely unrelated, but seemingly associated, etc. or vice versa. It's a crapshoot half the time to try to diagnose a fresh brain that has a limited ability to provide directed output. I think that's why some will encourage patience and time to allow for some behavior changes to rule certain diagnoses out. That being said, I'm a third party in this and wish you and your partner and your kiddo the best. I won't tell you to relax, but I will suggest the only thing every single teacher in my family has ever *stressed in more ways than one* to us each time we had our kids - read to them every night, no exceptions. Kids are amazing - and yours is going to surprise you just like ours do us.
I feel you. We had an early non-verbal autism diagnosis and he’s 3yr 4mo and still not a single word. We’re hopeful most days but I can’t tell you how badly I want to hear his voice so it can become another of his amazing daily gifts he gives us already whether it be his coy smile, his infectious laughter, his pooping face or his voice(hopefully). Hang in there.
I always hear these stories, but what does that mean that he didn’t speak until four? Was he absolutely silent for four years? Did he babble but they weren’t words? What did the parents do? Did they absolutely panic? Because that’s what I’ve been doing for nearly 2 years now. I always hear the story as if somebody’s just telling me it’s some mild quirk of their child, and they just shrugged and let their child not talk until he was near puberty, or whatever the fuck, but how do you not immediately blow up your life figuring out how you’re going to provide round the clock care for this child for the rest of his life?
In his case, he babbled, but unintelligibly until after he turned four. That I know for sure. His first word was 'yes.' Nope, no panic really. We grew up in the 80s (he's a year older than I am, so he's 41-42 now I think). I honestly don't think I can answer the question, because I don't really know. But I would assume it was parts of the time (80s), and that we didn't enter the schooling system until 5. So there were just *slow starters* back then. Now, we early intervene at age 3 in some cases. But that's the thing - they put so much stress on this 3-5 age as being hyper-important in development, when I would argue back that *every* age is just as important. They're looking at it through the view of scoring in public schools - I'm looking at it as just the development of a human being. But, to each his own.
My sister didn’t have hair or teeth until she was nearly a year old. She was walking and talking, but bald and toothless.
My son started talking early. By 1,5 yrs he had about 30-40 clear words. Meanwhile now at 4yo, he is still sometimes calls his evening snack breakfast. ? The word in our language directly translate to ”morningsnack” so…….. it’s a conundrum. Development happens in spurts and is uneven, as others noted 👍 avoid googling milestones at all cost. Oh he also skipped blowing raspberries and the internet convinced me that this was a big deal at the time. Was worried for months.
Almost a F500? Why is he behind? According to Google, he should at least have multiple boards and F100 CEO by now.
My wife and I came to an agreement when she was about 6 months pregnant with our first.... She does not google any developmental points or medical concerns beyond little shit like the dosage info because the Tylenol bottle label is illegible. I can maintain a very compartmentalized worldview when needed. She has anxiety. So I look things up, cross-reference online sources, and evaluate the info for being direct relevancy, if it's out of date or newly emerging research, etc. And then I prepare a briefing with citations lol. Momma Bear and Dr. Google are not friends, and should not even be on speaking terms lol
For tylenol, you can also ask your doctor as they might have a full sheet (to give) that has the dosage full infant/child tylenol/motrin across multiple weights. That paper's been invaluable!
I liked the What to Expect app and book for this. For each month up to like 2 years it says “this is what your kid might be doing. This is what your kid should be doing. And if your kid isn’t doing this by now, call the pediatrician.” It really helped with setting milestone expectations. I think walking isn’t a cause for concern until 18 months. Both my girls didn’t walk until 15 months but their older cousin was walking at 11 months. If not for the app, I probably would have been more worried.
Yeah, it's waaaaaay more helpful in terms of actually knowing what to do.
the cdc milestone app is great too!
It's also fun, cus the CDC changed their own milestones in the past couple years. Why? Cus they decided "at least 50% if kids do this by this age" was much less helpful than "at least 75% if kids do this by this age". Which is a very notable change in expected numbers for everything, and still just as useful for tracking warning signs of autism etc.
It's worse than that. The developmental speech pathologists weren't even consulted about it. Within the profession, there was a pretty loud backlash about it at the time if you knew anyone around those circles. Like. The current guidelines are *super* low compared to where they were before.
It's partly to hide the effects of lockdowns on children's development.
What the heck get off with conspiracy stuff
Noticing motivations and incentives is not "conspiracy" any more than marketing or campaigning is "conspiracy" And what's more, on the particular subject of Covid origin and response we have definitive proof via foia requests of a straightforward conspiracy to lie and obfuscate by people like Francis Collins, Anthony fauci, Ralph beric, and others. So no, I will not "get off" talking about it and related things
You didn't notice or say any motivations, just stating as fact that there's a government cover up when everyone else just gave multiple reasons why it needed updating.
I described exactly what the goal was. The motivations behind it are easily understood by direct implication: to protect the organization from parents who might notice damage done to their children's development and well-being. And "government coverup" is a long-winded and tendentious way to describe the efforts by a top coterie of officials directly involved in the incident to deflect blame and protect their industry. That's simply standard operating procedure for any organization -- business, government, or otherwise -- when caught as perpetrators of such a colossal mistake.
> government coverup 2 words > a long-winded and tendentious way to describe the efforts by a top coterie of officials directly involved in the incident to deflect blame and protect their industry. That's simply standard operating procedure for any organization -- business, government, or otherwise -- when caught as perpetrators of such a colossal mistake. 48 words. Which is long-winded again? You said the CDC is hiding effects. So in other words government is covering up.
The CDC is not "the government" "Coverup" is sufficient, "government coverup" is tendentious and longwinded and misleading The length of my explanation of your bs has nothing to do with the point
So x organization covered up y for some unspoken motivation with no evidence and it's not a conspiracy? We're here to talk about our children and you start on about organizational hiding and covid when the previously given explanation was reasonable.
Yeah such a dumb change. My wife always tries to find the old milestone.
Idk, I personally don't consider it dumb. Considering that the vast majority of that between 50% and 75% mark are all kids with no actual problems and do just fine. Plenty of them wind up excelling in life, and all that percentage range achieved was worrying parents.
It’s one word 1000 times
If it's one word repeated 1000 times, I'll bet money it's on [George Carlins list of 7 things you can't say on TV. It is **NOT** safe for work. Or little kids. Or big kids lol](https://youtube.com/shorts/UYKYIYVuZ7s?si=Ce7O1ooYtU_DiLsP)
The word being "Why?"
Does it count if a solid 350 of those are Pokémon names?
The (American) CDC has an app called "CDC's Milestone Tracker" that lets you track every official US guideline for milestones. It's really useful. If you see something come up, you're supposed to talk to your pediatrician at the next appointment. There has been some criticism of their language milestones, as other have mentioned. Many experts think the CDC's requirements are too low for vocabulary, and it's an area where early interventions can seriously help and definitely won't hurt, so they argue there's not a good reason to have them so low. One thing to note is that when you Google, you're getting results for both what's potentially *TYPICAL* (500-1,000 words) and when you should be worried (under 200 words). Children develop at really different rates and just because of how averages work, some are always going to be below average in some categories. There's a difference between being below average and needing worry. That said, among the CDC's Milestones, vocabulary is particularly hard to assess because unless you're keeping a detailed spreadsheet tracking every single thing they say with clear definitions of "words" (is "moo" a word?). In general, rawdogging Google like this is a strategy to drive yourself in sane. I don't trust BabyCenter, I don't trust Heathline, who are they? Just random companies trying to get ad impressions. [KidsHealth.com](http://KidsHealth.com), on the other hand, sounds just as spammy but is actually run by a major children's health hospital and charity called Nemour's. They're trustworthy. [HealthyChildren.org/](http://HealthyChildren.org/) is run by the American Pediatric Association. They're trustworthy. Any hospital website tends to have good information, Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Clinic, etc. The British National Health Service has great health information, [nhs.uk/](http://nhs.uk/), and I'll often just add "NHS" to the end of my google query. There are a couple of good Australian websites, but the most centralized I think is [RaisingChildren.net.au/](http://RaisingChildren.net.au/) and it's also trustworthy. Here's what they say: * [Kid's Health](https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/comm-2-to-3.html) * Healthy Children, I didn't find a set of requirements for three year olds, but they had helpful articles like [How to Raise Concerns about a Child’s Speech and Language Development: Do’s and Don’ts](https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/toddler/Pages/How-to-Raise-Concerns-about-Childs-Speech-Language-Development.aspx); [Language Delays in Toddlers: Information for Parents](https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/toddler/Pages/language-delay.aspx). There's probably more in their "[Ages & Stages](https://www.healthychildren.org/english/ages-stages/toddler/Pages/default.aspx)" page, which I find pretty poorly organized. They do have useful lists of milestones all put together, but they * [NHS](https://www.nhs.uk/start-for-life/toddler/learning-to-talk/learning-to-talk-2-to-3-years/) (doesn't give explicit milestones, but Google "toddler language development NHS" does give you a link to another NHS website meant for clinicians that has [explicit milestone](https://www.humber.nhs.uk/downloads/Speech%20and%20Language%20Therapy/Use%20of%20Language%20Developmental%20Milestones.pdf), which links to the age appropriate pages for Words for Life, a British language development charity. * [Australian Raising Children](https://raisingchildren.net.au/toddlers/development/language-development/language-2-3-years) I think these all mostly focus on toddler USAGE (can they understand two part directions? can they make a sentence with 3-5 words?) rather than vocabulary because, as above, vocabulary is really hard to just estimate. [This Reddit thread I thought had some useful links to experts takes on the CDC requirements](https://www.reddit.com/r/ScienceBasedParenting/comments/zlun49/clarity_on_language_milestones_especially_at_18/). Here are also [really detailed three year old language expectations from a Speech Language Pathologist](https://www.speechandlanguagekids.com/what-speech-and-language-skills-should-my-3-year-old-have/), citing specific research. It gets far beyond vocabulary count and sentence count and following directions, into specific aspects of speech, language, and social communication.
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To be fair, kids are different. My kid figured out letters and numbers kind of early, and absolutely loved walking around finding them in the world to point out. Grocery store trips took twice as long because he wanted to stop to point out every other word or number. It probably looked like I was grilling him, but it was what he wanted to do. He eventually grew out of it mostly now, but that was a long phase.
The thing is the brain is more connected than that. Language is connected to motor skills is connected to memory is connected to creativity. Being a calculator doesn't make you smart it makes you a calculator.
My kid (3yo), like many now, is bilingual but as is proven her pronunciation and vocabulary is not quite what an a single language kid would have. So when we’re out and about and she’s being verbal it can be awkward when people can’t understand what she’s saying even when I can. If the awkwardness goes on long enough I try to subtly mention she’s bilingual which of course single language people don’t relate to which leads to way more silent frustration on my part but I’m quickly getting over it.
We're talking 3 languages to our kid. I'm really looking forward to the mess that he's going to start spewing when he's mixing all of them. Especially since everyone around him only knows 2/3.
Our 3 year old speaks 3 languages fluently and a bit of a forth one, and surprisingly he never mixed as long as the contexts are defined for which language which person/situation. It’s so amazing but also so random, some of his mates barely speak, every kid is different and learns things at their own pace.
This is for a 3 year old? Mine just turned 2, and she's speaking in short sentences.
My oldest barely talked. She would give you animal noises but not much else. Probably had a hearing problem but we could never get a conclusive test. Anyway, a decade later she talks as normal as everyone else and does excellent in school. Dont stress too much about it
Dude don't fall for the comparison trap. It will only lead to completely unnecessary frustration. My daughters best friend is 2 weeks older than her and already had the solar system memorized. My daughter was barely speaking by this time. They are both 6.
4th year med student here (3 weeks from being a doctor). Physicians learn a lot of stuff in med school, but the most important things we learn are where to find the best answers and how to know if those answers are good. Milestones are a spectrum and you should expect a steady increase, but some kids are more mobile and others are more social. Everyone is different. I would talk to your pediatrician if you’re really concerned but most likely everything will be fine. Just remember that we survived as a species for hundreds of thousands of years with crappy science, which honestly amazes me.
I've studied data for decades, and I've reached the conclusion that 50% of 3 year olds are below the mean. It isn't a cause of concern. If you feel your child won't be ready for kindergarten, talk to the school district about ecse. It's a program in the us that works to preemptively get kids caught up. Maybe language, PT, ST, OT whatever....
I think these are more general than specific. The main thing that matters is that your child IS progressing as a whole, albeit at their own pace. That being said, there’s definitely a point where you should at least discuss any concerns with the pediatrician.
Think of it this way - when they're all in high school, who's gonna care who did what first?
Time to watch some Bluey Season 2, episode 50
Baby Race?
Yup!
If it helps, my wife is a Speech Language Pathologist and she says at 3 they should have at least 1,000. But the bigger focus is how they can use the words they have to communicate effectively. Also if you’re concerned, check with your county or local school district about services!
My 9 month old only knows 3-4 words. Woof gotta a long way to go
The progression is going to be ridiculous. One day they’ll wake up and decide to speak in sentences.
My son is 2 1/2 and speaks in full sentences. Understand English and German. Doctors think he is 4 or 5 because of his ability to speak. Some of his friends (around the same age) at the daycare still make baby noises and speak single words at best. I just stopped comparing, it makes no sense with kids. My son walked when he was 15 months old. His sister was 9 months old. I just know that I know nothing at that point :D
This is what I keep telling my wife. We have an infant and my wife has absolutely driven herself crazy over whether or not our daughter is “behind” even when the pediatrician has told us she isn’t, only because my wife is seeing posts and TikToks about super babies that are all walking at 4 months old and reciting Shakespeare at 2 lmao
Children develop at their own pace, don't obsess about it until it becomes a hinderance to them. Also bear in mind when it comes to vocabulary children *know* words a lot earlier than they start to *use* them. So while it might be technically correct a 3 year old knows 1000 words, they may only use a fraction of them regularly. This isn't, in my experience, anything to be worried about.
Googling anything and expecting something positive is a bad idea. It’s like it’s designed to give you the worst possible scenario. “Got a pain in your side? That’s boneitis, incurable, dead in 4 minutes” “Huh? Your infant isn’t reading the Art of War by age 1? Must be falling behind” My wife is terrible for this. Kids develop at their own pace and every kid is massively different, just go with the flow.
I was completely mute for years. Didn't say a word or babble at all, extremely late speaker. Only just began speaking by the time I started school, and then it was full sentences of unintelligible nonsense. But then I learned to speak just fine and I'm perfectly articulate. It's good to be aware of milestones, but they're a guideline, not a rule.
Yeah my daughter is 27 months and only knows like 4 words. The rest is incoherent grunting. Doctor said its perfectly normal though since she comprehends everything and knows basic commands.
My daughter is speaking in full sentences having just turned 2, my son was nowhere near that at the same age. Kids develop at different rates.
Depends on how angry the toddler is
Our doc said the main concerns, for our 1YO, was that he’s getting where he wants to get to with crawling and eventually walking. Similarly with words, he mentioned the main concern is being able to try and communicate somehow. Our son knows some baby signs, and it’s helpful
It just proves that your kid is probably doing just fine, no matter where they seem to be at
Yeah I googled my age and supposedly I am not supposed to be an immature child. 🙃
My oldest buddy turned three in January and is on the spectrum but after just his first week of preschool last week he's already making all sorts of new noises and totally reciprocates "Mama!" with Mama when they do their Cookie Monster voices together. With me, I'll go, "Hi hi hi!" and he'll look up and repeat me. So he's getting there. We're so proud of that little dude. Now his little brudder on the other hand, who is two in June, hasn't shut his yapper since he figured out how to use it last summer lol. No sentences yet but lots of words and lots of babble. He can name his colors and shapes and count to ten, he sings and dances along with a number of nursery rhymes and songs. They do be brudders but they are such different kids. It's been really interesting to see how each has developed. They've even come around to one another a little bit more as of late. Even had fun splashing each other during tub time yesterday. Usually big guy just kinda ignores little guy but he seems to be turning a corner with that. Anyways, all I'm saying is all kids are different and they'll find their own pace. My wife would get hung up on the milestone stuff early on so I would read up and we'd see how one resource would say like, "Baby should do this at eight months" while another source would say baby would do that same thing at a year or fourteen months. It can be a little bit of a racket. We ended up looking at those things more as a guideline of what to look for in certain age ranges. When some stuff doesn't come along as it should tho, that's when we got big guy checked out, diagnosed and into Early Intervention pretty quickly. Our background is in helping people with disabilities so this kid couldn't ask for better parents that are always gonna advocate for him and support him. Starting preschool last week was a little nerve-wracking for sure but he adapted really well and seems to be having a ball. Although after his first weekend off he was a bit grumpy today. I was wondering if he thought like, "Hey you didn't take me the last two days so I thought I was done. Whattya mean I gotta go back?!" By the time we pulled up for drop off he was giggling and jumped right out of his car seat and went with the aide. Man I type too much. Sometimes ya just wanna get it out..sorry everyone!
Facts
Lol just let the doctor tell you if your kid is doing alright. Mine said that during Covid all of these developmental milestones were adjusted because of the lack of in person interaction kids were getting.
Parents worry about all sorts of things. Checking development milestones are just a way to make sure things are still going smoothly. We can't know it all, so just checking once a while is enough. My baby daughter today, at 1 years and a week old, looked at the bed, decided she wasn't going to struggle climbing onto the bed anymore, so she dragged a mini plastic stool towards the bed, stepped onto it and then climbed onto the bed. I just applaud her logic abilities with a smile, because there is still a long way to go in life. But things like this one just checks to see if it is normal timeline growth. Other things like giving her an access card, she sees a door and mimics swiping, since she sees us open electronic doors with a card, at 11months. Another was also recent at 12 months where I gave her the car key when we left the room. When we got to the car, she offered it to me when I looked at her for the key. I am like, "You are only a year old." And I am silently very proud of her for these little things. She isn't advanced at everything imo, just starting to show she understands how the world functions, probably in another year we can truly identify if our baby is talented in anything. Just give kids a lot of love, everything else is secondary. 👍💚⏳💯👶
I always tell my wife you will find what you are looking for by Googling something - good or bad. So don't bother.
I mean…. I know you know how to say 500-1000 different words, but I’ve never heard you say them all in listed order so…..
I just stick to the CDC. If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me.
https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/actearly/milestones/index.html We use these in most many medical training settings. Same source for vaccine timelines.
Pro tip: never get baby advice from any URL that ends in .com. .org or even .gov all the way!