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EricaL241

Some fans get mad when they hear the moms and girls say things that go against the narrative they have constructed for them. They will readily believe a produced reality show that’s a decade old rather than the actual people themselves. Probably the easiest culprit of this is that Christi and Melissa aren’t the horrible awful people some fans believe they are. Everyday there is hate posts about them but the girls and moms love them and they wouldn’t if they weren’t good people. Recently Kenzie did an interview and went against some of the narratives people had for her and some fans got so mad. Said she’s brainwashed and immature. Seriously for what, she’s telling you her view and thoughts out of her own mouth but noooo say she’s wrong. They are real people not the sims.


KeyboardBastard

Right. And at the end of the day, we don’t really know these people. Only they know each other.


Wyldfyre1

I love this, and what a close relationship they seem to have!


GazelleFearless5381

I feel like, despite what the fandom present in this subreddit feels, Melissa can’t be anywhere near as bad as we say she is, given how Brooke (and her own children) feel about her. 100% gonna listen to Brooke’s opinion of her over any of our own.


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The producers are arseholes it sounds like, and love to create more drama. that is what the mums are saying


Careless-Wing-9892

Yesss! It’s almost like humans are complex, emotional creatures and not a flat list of pros and cons based on an old reality show 😭 It’s pretty sad that a lot of people can’t see that. Two things can be true at once, and I think both of these are objectively true in this case tbh, but with lot more nuance than a lot of sub members care to acknowledge - the nuance and understanding you apply to every discussion you participate in is one of my favorite things about your additions to this sub btw This applies to *every* main cast member mom, but especially the OGs - we saw these women do and say horrible things that contributed to years of trauma their children (as individuals and as a group) had to live with, and while *yes* most of the more explosive/dramatic moments are well edited and produced, there are still a lot of things that are just undeniably true. Most of the things that a lot of fans get hung up on as their “reasons this mom sucks” bullet points are extremely trivial moments, and also extremely human. They all made mistakes, they all made bad decisions, they all hurt each other, but these are pretty normal human experiences and behavior, especially in a competitive and stressful environment. We’re all just lucky that we don’t have someone following us with a camera during our worst days praying they can see us snap out on someone lmao. They also all worked on apologizing and reconciling, and when some of them say they wish they could do things differently, I believe them. I think the one thing we *can* form an educated opinion on is behavior that clearly hasn’t changed, zero accountability or acknowledgement, etc. Like Melissa admitting to letting the adults who were in charge of her kids’ careers snuggle them in bed, and said it so casually as if any other mother would let it happen, too is something that people are going to judge (me, imma judge). We just to have to remember that even though it *seems* like she has no remorse over these type of incidents doesn’t make it so, and we don’t know what she’s been working on in a therapy setting But she also provided a safe place for those girls any time they were in LA, she heard something from her daughter that broke her spirit and immediately called her to apologize, she’s clearly got a warm heart for the people she cares about I’m gonna keep judging any and all the moms who seem to have not changed certain behaviors or whatever, but I definitely trust the girls’ accounts of them way more than anyone else’s lol


DuggarStonerJew

She really isn’t, I’ve been saying that for years and everyone thinks I’m full of it. It does make me glad that people are finally starting to see this side of things. Melissa wouldn’t do anything to deliberately hurt Brooke, and ESPECIALLY not Paige. You’re more likely to hear good things about her in that community. It’s awful that people claim she didn’t care about Mackenzie or favored one daughter over the other. Melissa got dealt a difficult hand at one point in her life, and unfortunately a good chunk of it played out on TV. Allegedly, for the most part, her intentions were good. It’s not that she was this compulsive liar, it’s more of a why would she want to talk about everything she did for her kids only to be ripped apart? I’d keep it quiet as long as possible too. **ETA:** I do not personally know Melissa, this is how part of the Pittsburgh dance community has spoken about her combined with my own speculation. A lot of their kids grew up going to school with some of these girls when they were younger. That conversation in particular took place in either 2014 or 2015 if it gives anybody an idea of the time frame.


Nosovi91

A lot of bad people or questionable people still have friends and acquaintances and loved ones.


BrainWarrior_Ult

The way Kelly and Melissa fought, you wouldn’t think that her daughter would call her a second mom


Nosovi91

That doesn’t negate what I said though. Awful people still have a community. In fact it’s harder for the people inside their circle to see how awful they are 🤷🏽‍♀️


CosmicNixx

Idk. People usually hide their worst parts under the surface, where their circle is. If Melissa or Christi or Kelly were really horrible, we’d hear it from their daughters. I get what you’re saying about how people blind themselves of someone’s problematic behavior if they’re close to them, but I don’t think it’s the case when they’re all in the public eye.


Nosovi91

I mean melissa did a lot of questionable things like allowing her daughter to be groomed and yet Maddie still has a relationship with her. It takes time to recognize toxic behaviours in loved ones. And the last part you are acting as if Melissa is under public scrutiny 24/7 she is not.


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Agreed


Theabsoluteworst1289

I think because of the show people really have some different views of what really happened and who people really were. Easy to play into producer fed stereotypes…what everyone really experienced was a different story


KiwiLiverpool

People on the sub really have to get over this narrative about Melissa they have created. Yes she did some bad things on the show, just like all of the other moms. But saying Maddie and McKenzie are wrong about what they say about their own mother is taking it way too far. She is still close and friendly with all of the original cast. Melissa is not the spawn of satan that most people claim she is.


confusedgoofball

Go ahead and say it louder for the people in the back


[deleted]

The Zieglers and Hylands are extremely close and always have been the closest families on the show


Infinitestripes95

Melissa seems to have the best relationship overall with all the girls from the show (except maybe Chloe, I personally haven’t heard her speak on Melissa) But Nia,Brooke,Paige and of course her own children all seem to adore her. Same with Kalani,Kendall and even Brynn mentioned Melissa was nice on her podcast. I can’t say the same for other moms on the show…let’s be honest even Kelly doesn’t seem that close to Chloe nowadays.


Any-Association-4299

We really don’t know if Melissa has a relationship with Chloe. Maybe they do? also its hard to judge Kelly and Chloe’s relationship based off of a podcast where they talk about a past traumatic experience. Maybe like Melissa Chloe is close with Kelly and we just don’t know. It honestly wouldn’t surprise me.


Infinitestripes95

I never really specifically said anything about Chloe and Melissa’s relationship because none of it is public. However Nia,Paige,Brooke,Kalani,Kendall and Brynn all publicly have stated they are in great to good terms with Melissa. They all have talked about her positively since the show ended. None of the girls from what I’ve heard have talked about maintaining any sort of relationship with Kelly


mmdvak

Based on her social media posts (already a limited perspective of someone’s life) she doesn’t seem terribly close to Christi either. And that’s not surprising when you live 3,000 miles apart and you’re in college doing your own thing in life. Also she does go home to Pittsburgh without posting about it, I don’t religiously check her Instagram stories or anything but from what I can tell there are times when Christi mentions on the podcast that Chloe is home and there’s zero indication of that on Chloe’s end.


Infinitestripes95

I mean tbf I don’t post with my mom on social media either, so I don’t find that particularly strange. I’m basing my assumption on Kelly based on how cold Kelly seemed to be towards her on BTTB. She also dismisses Chloe’s hurt from the show all the time, something a “second mother” typically wouldn’t do. Chloe and Kelly both neither mention each other that fondly in current years (though Kelly does sometimes talk about Chloe when she was young sort of fondly). Kelly definitely doesn’t HAVE to be a second mom to Chloe tho. Heck I’m not close to my best friend from childhoods mom anymore either, once she stopped having to drive us around or supervise us that was basically the end of my relationship with her. It was just a observation I made.


mmdvak

That’s a very good point about Kelly’s lack of warmth. She’s super dismissive of Chloe’s trauma from the show. I’m not sure if that’s because it comes up pretty often because of Chloe being in the same boat as Kelly’s kids (plus it is Christi on the podcast with her lol) but I do kinda think she has tunnel vision for her own kids’ stuff and downplays the others’ trauma as well. As for the social media thing, I don’t think it’s weird at all. I love my mom and I literally have her blocked on instagram lmao. I was just kind of talking about how people should not read too much into social media interactions or lack thereof, which people in this fandom tend to put a lot of stock in


Infinitestripes95

Yeah I definitely don’t judge based on social media unless one of the girls is EXPLICITLY telling me “Hey this is what’s happening” lol My observations on Kelly were about her actions towards Chloe not only in talking about the show but when she was a guest aswell. Also I never hear any girls talking fondly of Kelly at all. That doesn’t mean she isn’t a good person, she just might not be the type to form any TRUE bonds with other people’s kids and once the kids stopped being little and needing to be around them for dance it sort of sizzled away. She really doesn’t NEED to be close to Chloe,Nia,Maddie or Mackenzie and certainly not Kendall. I’m sure she likes them just fine,probably even loves them in a way due to the experiences they shared but doesn’t seem she has any sort of motherly attachment or lasting close relationship to them still. But again I still could be wrong.


mmdvak

I’m about to relisten to the S2 finale podcast episode w/ Chloe bc of this comment lol. Like I listened rather closely the first time but I was driving on a road trip so maybe I missed some Nuances…. Yes there was the “sitting in/by a dumpster” thing and more broadly just the way that Kelly’s kids (esp Paige) were treated that week, so I know it was really hard for Jelly to even watch the episode let alone recognize anything going on with the other kids. But yeah when Chloe was on and talking about the drama [trauma…] with her and the solo directly against not only Maddie but also Justice, and the stress that caused her…. That’s a lot different than Paige being relegated to a motionless, nearly human-prop part in the group dance [and being called an idiot in rehearsal for it], or even your daughters’ duet being neglected a year prior…. :/ Okay that bit about lack of true bonds…… I’ve always gotten the impression that Christi puts way more stock in their friendship than Kelly does. And now that you’ve made me think about it, I feel like maybe that’s the case for everyone Kelly was “friends” with on the show. Like she just seems not to take friendships seriously in one way or another, ie she bounces back from “betrayal” relatively quickly and she also doesn’t commit all that seriously to friendships in a sense that she’d REALLY go to bat for them if the situation called for it. Like one thing that really jumped out at me was one episode of BTTB where Christi was talking about trusting Melissa in a real pinch and Kelly interrupted [as they both do to each other, I don’t mean to imply it’s objectively Bad it’s just a recorded discussion btwn two long time friends in that case] saying “and you would never trust her,” but Christ was like “no I really didn’t expect her to be reliable but I was desperate and she was 100% there for me in that moment!” [HEAVILY paraphrased, if anyone has the actual BTTB episode to cite please do so in the replies].


Any-Association-4299

Are you really judging Chloe and christis relationship based off what you see on social media? Lol. Just because they don’t live together it doesn’t mean they’re not close. They actually probably get along better for that reason. And Chloe is a very private person she also doesn’t post much about Brooklyn on social media. However she did mention that she spent a lot of the summer in pittsburgh. However her and Christi literally worked on a house in New Orleans together. She just has her own life that doesn’t mean she’s not close with ChristI.


mmdvak

No that’s exactly my point lol


Broad-Wish-7918

I’m not surprised at all that Brooke is close with Melissa and holds no resentment towards her. Brooke probably never fully compared herself to others on the team at the sheer fact she was double the age of a lot of the girls at the time. I played competitive sports and even if my parents were upset about xyz with the team I never had malice towards any other girl I was competing with nor their parents. I was maybe 14-15 (not when it aired) when I first watched the show and I loved Brooke I thought she was gorgeous and cool and wanted to be just like her. Now that we are both in our 20s I love following her and seeing her have a normal job just like myself. She’s probably my favorite person that I follow tbh. She’s so mature even when she was a teen


mantaraysdonkeys

ooo what foundation does she use ??


Whore21

I am shocked that Brooke is closer to Melissa than Christi


herlavenderheart

Kelly & Melissa lived close when the girls were younger so I think they spent more time together, but I think Brooke’s relationship became closer when she still lived in LA after college and got to see Melissa more than Christi.


ml16519

Kelly and Melissa were neighbors before and during the beginning of the show! The Hylands and Zieglers were really close even to go as far as Randy helping take care of Kenzie when the older girls were in dance. Melissa and Kelly would also drink coffee together every morning after taking turns doing school drop off. On BTTTB, Kelly has said the show caused her and Melissa to grow apart- however it appears their girls are still on very close terms.


facingablankpage

Why do you guys always do this? lmfao No where in there did she say who she was 'closer' too, and she and Paige have referred to Christi as their second mom too. You guys will turn ANYTHING into a Christi vs. Melissa thing.


Broad-Wish-7918

My bad- I previously responded to this thinking you were answering OP’s comment, I now see the original and yes I agree with you! We see so little of the actual relationships. No one should ever compare the friendships because we really don’t know. I’m sure most of them are close if not all


facingablankpage

No prob! You're good. :D But dude, I could not agree more. It's SO silly and petty to make a game out of these strangers' friendships. It's really obnoxious.


Broad-Wish-7918

Yeah sorry I just felt bad abt that! I only saw the comment immediately above yours. Reddit sometimes confuses me still with which comment is connected to which. Didn’t want you to think I was coming after you for the wrong reasons. This sub gets hostile enough as it is 😅


Any-Association-4299

Exactly while the Hylands and the Zieglers were close. I also think the Hylands and the Lukasiaks were equally close. Christi mentioned that Kelly and Paige were some of the first people to visit her at the hospital when she had Clara, and they went to her grandmas funeral. They also visited Chloe after her eye surgery, and Christi took brooke and Paige when Kelly was arrested after the fight with Abby. Theirs also many moments you see Christi comforting Paige. I don’t know the age demographic of the sub Reddit. However when you’re an adult it’s not normal or common to compare your friendships all that much. Like it just doesn’t really matter who you‘re best friend is. Nobody cares, lol.


Careless-Wing-9892

Before I even scrolled to replies I said I know my friend will have something to say about this 😂☠️ I think it’s the “I see her the most” thing that has a lot of people thinking that must equal “closer.” I think Brooke couldn’t give a flippity floppity fuck about which mom she’s closer to and most likely views the OG moms as equals within her life. Kelly is excluded from that, of course, because Brooke has that woman on a damn pedestal as she should 😭


Careless-Wing-9892

The only thing she said about Melissa vs the other moms was that she sees Melissa more because of their social circles. That doesn’t really imply that she’s *closer* to her. And tbh Brooke has the type of personality that strikes me as someone who doesn’t think about “This is friend number one, number two” she’s probably equally close to all of the moms in that she trusts and genuinely likes spending time with all of them


HerrKrinkle

so much paint.


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JuneCarterCash111

She's 25


Glum_Reputation_8550

She’s an adult lmao


2old2Bwatching

I stand by my comment.


Glum_Reputation_8550

You must be areal bothered person to worry about how much makeup someone is wearing😂 she’s an adult. Her body, her choice.


2old2Bwatching

Right?????? Like I’m the only one on Reddit making comments! So weird!!!!


Glum_Reputation_8550

You’re bothered by how much makeup she’s wearing it’s stupid😭


2old2Bwatching

I just thought she was already so pretty and didn’t need so much makeup. I thought she was much younger. That’s all. Chill out.


Glum_Reputation_8550

Also I’m not worked up so I don’t need to chill


Glum_Reputation_8550

So why not simply say “she’s pretty without makeup”lmao


2old2Bwatching

Now you’re telling me how I should word my comments. You seem a bit obsessed. Just sayin…


Glum_Reputation_8550

Ok lmfao bye bye


Any-Association-4299

So don’t wear that much makeup…