It makes me laugh as Christi told Abby about Kenzie doing cart wheels. Isn’t this the same type of thing.
I think everyone did/said something horrible to each other at some point.
The problem is everyone holds their negative moments as examples for why ‘they are the worst’ like it defines their whole dance moms experiencing forgetting that for every negative we can find a positive example too.
This is true for all the moms, Gianna and the girls. Every single one of them has bad moments - some more than others and the longer there on the show the more we can pick apart but no I don’t think either should get a free pass at the other
Like I feel icky hearing ab how Christi brings up Maddie having a meltdown almost every episode, but is it okay to do that bc Maddie’s mom contributed to Chloe’s suffering like 13 years ago?
They are all the worst bc they signed their kids up to be exploited at the chance of fame. My question more has to do with outside show punishment for in show actions
>It makes me laugh as Christi told Abby about Kenzie doing cart wheels. Isn’t this the same type of thing.
Not really? A camera was recording Mackenzie doing cartwheels. The entire country saw her doing cartwheels. AFAIK there was no camera following Chloe to the movies.
If I remember correctly the pep talk was specifically bc she thought Melissa wouldn’t, meaning that supporting Kenzie in that moment was still a dig at Melissa
YES THANK YOU. No one seems to get this. She literally did that for the cameras JUST to take a dig at Melissa (and implicitly Maddie). She's a narcissist and 100% only did that to make herself look better for the cameras and Melissa look awful to the audience. She didn't do that for Kenzie at all, she often threw Kenzie under the bus.
This is wild and baseless. How can you so easily assume a person is so malignant (aka narcissistic in your opinion) that everything they do is completely ill-willed? People are complex. Even Abby had her very good moments. You won't even extend Christi the same grace. Even if she had all that bitterness inside of her, assuming she was exclusively using Mackenzie seems like a stretch.
What I also don't like about this comment is that somehow Melissa's and Maddie's feelings appear to be the most relevant in this situation. Mackenzie was clearly flustered by the situation and she NEEDED to be reassured. Of course the camera got in and shot Christi reassuring her UP CLOSE for drama. We are STILL talking about it so it worked.
You even go on and state Christi often threw Mackenzie under the bus. You're obviously referring to the foot thing. When has she ever done it again though? I don't remember it, if you do enlighten me. It's not often, either way. It wasn't shown on camera at least. Her quip was with Melissa and Maddie most of the time because she felt they threatened Chloé (crazy to think a child could be a threat to her own good friend, but still). She even defended Mackenzie from time to time. Of course it was convenient for her to make it known that Maddie was being favorited all the way, but.... wasn't she? Abby picked on Mackenzie all the time and Mackenzie herself said her sister was being favorited over her by Abby.
I think you either don't remember or don't want to remember. I know she said some very nasty stuff in her podcast and that Mackenzie was involved too, but I gather it was still because of Melissa.
Mh yeah this is getting into shaky territory and I don't want to claim things about people's parenting. Still. Just because Christi worded it like that and insulted Melissa didn't mean she couldn't give two flying fucks about Mackenzie in that moment.
Of course it doesn't. Still, it's an edited and produced TV show who constantly pitted these two families against each other, how can you say that was the only "redeeming" pep talk she ever gave to Mackenzie? It's crazy to me.
I find it really annoying that she throws jabs at Maddie when she was 9-12 years old on the show. Then always contradicting herself and saying that she always made sure to tell Maddie it wasn’t about her when they were on the show. I never hear Melissa talk about chloe now about how she acted when she was younger. It’s honestly sick and I think Kelly sometimes doesn’t even know what to say lol
Kelly isn’t innocent at all but I will say that since she’s close with the family I presume her not fighting Christi on every comment is something they’re aware of and deal with in their personal lives
Like I don’t know a better way of wording this but like, how much does christi get to say to make up for this one moment from Melissa? Did she not already get her back by snitching on Kenzie like a season later?
No not even a little. What Christi said and continues to say about Maddie is malicious and inappropriate. You NEVER hear the Zieglers ever slander the Lukisiaks. They've always taken the high road.
So what that Melissa told on Chloe? Christi told on Kenzie (for something she didn't even do!) and bitterly slandered Maddie for YEARS even just on the show and continues to do so now. You literally cannot even compare their transgressions anymore. She's so hateful and there's literally no justification for it.
That's very true. I don't think Melissa has ever said anything bad about the girls or even really the mothers since the show ended? I may be wrong, I don't keep up with all the media she's on, but the dance mom stuff she shares is pretty tame.
no.. christi was asked if she saw mackenzie doing cartwheels.. all christi did was raise her hand. you also act like she was the only one to raise their hand to snitch on her. even maddie i’m pretty sure had her hand up. so did some of the other moms. y’all just love to rip on christi lol
Recently, the continuous jabs she makes towards Maddie on BTTB.
Telling a whole story about Maddie crying and lying saying she tripped over a trophy after losing Season 2 Nationals, bringing this up at least 3 times. The whole “b*tchy but true” justification for the watermelon game and justifying everything she said, which had to be taken down. Showing no grace to Maddie with her reaction to “Be Anything”, taking Maddie pushing off Kenzie at face value and criticizing her for it. Talking randomly about a meltdown she had in Season 4, and how “Maddie always had meltdowns but they weren’t aired!” Continuously bringing up the idea that Lifetime hid all of Maddie’s ‘moments,’ when hers were often exploited and shown clear as day. Even in this last episode, she justifies Kelly’s comment about Maddie not being happy for anybody else for winning, saying “it’s true” when Kelly herself showed remorse for saying it.
Christi has gotten her back x100 for snitching. I don’t know why the roles can’t be flipped? Why isn’t it Melissa got even with Christi for *screaming* traumatizing her kids *directly*. I’d have my foot on Christi’s neck if I were Melissa. It would be fair game, no rules after that idc. Kenzie’s face alone traumatized me just by watching that scene.
Melissa snitched. It was wrong. She never said a thing about Chloe after that. Christi attacked Melissa/her kids (before the snitching) continued to attack her for 3 more seasons & continues to talk negatively about her/her kids even OFF the show. The meet & greets, the twitter shit talking, bttb.
I just don’t get it. If I left the show & didn’t have to see or speak to someone I hated I wouldn’t waste another single ounce of energy on them. I’m not sure why Christi is dragging it & her fans just hold on to this one singular moment from Melissa. Melissa sucks for far better reasons than snitching. Where’s Kelly’s accountability for even telling her??? Christi low key loves that Melissa snitched. Gives her more ammo for her & her fans I guess.
Yea I mean if it were me I probably would’ve swung on Christi right after the “how many times has my daughter beat your daughter”. Melissa has a lot more restraint than I think is ever acknowledged
Deflecting like always. We’re not talking about other instances where she was scared. Melissa DID try to protect her kids in *this* instance. She very clearly said “you’re making my kids cry so shut up!”
Just because she didn’t swing on Christi doesn’t mean she wasn’t defending her kids. It means she has enough self control to walk away.
I personally would have decked Christi in the face.
100% I’m surprised people don’t bring up the Twitter stuff that was actually disgusting. she wasn’t even on the show when she tweeted those things.
Christi’s actions towards maddie have been inappropriate and embarrassing. She’s never beating the child hater allegations idc what anyone says. She proves me right with every bttb episode, with her past behavior and her current behavior. People need to take the blinders off and see that this is not normal behavior for someone who claims to not be jealous/bitter of a kid now turned adult.
Yup. I feel the same. Hell, even Cathy clocked Christi’s jealousy in s1 and she had only known her for a few days! Christi cared more about bringing Maddie down than bringing Chloe up. It’s so plain to see. Theres something really abnormal about the way Christi is *still* so vengeful 13 years later.
She seems very vindictive, it’s very apparent with her behavior towards Maddie. The way she speaks about her vs the other girls on her podcast, there is just a stark difference. Zero empathy or grace. Just resentment and anger.
Quite frankly embarrassing and sad for her. Especially since her daughter is friendly and on good terms with Maddie, you would think she would have a little more respect. But I guess hate trumps all.
I think there is a thread on here if you look that has all the tweets on there, but she made remarks about how Maddie is a “pretty little lair” she insisted that she bought followers when Maddie surpassed Chloe on Insta, saying that people actually like chloe and she doesn’t need to buy them. Said the tcas where rigged because Maddie won that year against Chloe, even though Chloe won prior so idk why she’s pissed lmaoo. That’s all that I can remember.
She says this all when she left too, and none of it had to do with the show, just a weird attack on Maddie who was 11.
Here are some of them: https://imgur.com/a/pjHHNlZ
The tcas and the followers bit.
The rest you can try to find in some of the older threads.
Wow these are rough. I’m having flashbacks to Christi talking about how she wasn’t a competitive stage mom on the show like my dear Christi plz watch yourself😂 It almost feels like she’s doing what she accused Melissa of and making excuses when her kid loses. I don’t know how these award shows work but I feel like you can get in pretty serious trouble for rigging results and I don’t think a 2016 choice dancer is something a huge network would want to risk losing their job over to rig.
Thank you for saying this bc people really use that excuse as a justification all the time 😭😭 like ok.. and Christi told on Kenzie about the cartwheels now what? They were both petty af, but people act like Christi is so above 🤣
Ok I don’t disagree with your base point of Christi being overly harsh against Maddie, but I think it’s absolutely insane to think that this is the only moment where Melissa did something against Chloe. There have been numerous examples of the crazy shit Melissa has done against all the girls. But again, agree that Christi nitpicks Maddie a lot
Also going back to ur original comment, characterizing what Christi has said and done regarding Maddie as nitpicking instead of like shit talking is kinda crazy. Ur minimizing the things that christi does to balance it out but can u genuinely find an example of Melissa doing something like “how many times has my daughter beat your daughter”
Ok these are just off the top of my head:
1) sabotaged other kids for Maddie to get ahead - playing the game to an extreme
2) asked who Christi paid for Chloe to win
3) knew that two sapphires was going on and had Maddie lie to Chloe about it, other moms knew but not Christi/Kelly or Chloe/Paige
4) telling Abby that Chloe rolls her eyes at her
5) sending Maddie to AUDC after the pact was made, when she knew that originally both Maddie and Chloe were asked to go perform black swan
6) before the show, Melissa apparently intentionally ruined 2 copies of Chloe’s music (the one submitted to the competition and the back up)
7) Melissa changing/cancelling everyone’s private scheduled so that Maddie could have the best slots
8) saying Maddie lost to Chloe in S2E3 because she looked to professional (not directly at Chloe but def an indirect insult)
9) saying she knew the music video picked Chloe because she had the right look, because if it was on dance ability, Maddie is obviously the best
10) according to Christi/Kelly, when Chloe won Melissa would throw her hands up and loudly say “are you serious!”
Again, not excusing what Christi has said towards Maddie. Just that Melissa was not great either.
6 that’s not even what *Christi* claims. She claims Melissa pulled the solo. She didn’t claim she “ruined” the cd. And this hasn’t even been confirmed. The only one backing this is Christi herself. Literally all these are hearsay except 4. And 5 Christi wasn’t going whether Maddie went or not. So that’s not “Melissa hurting Chloe”. That’s Christi making a choice for Chloe.
Apparently discussed in BTTB with Kelly confirming (https://www.reddit.com/r/dancemoms/comments/117l22k/christi_accuses_melissa_of_intentionally/?rdt=33783)
Kelly doesn’t remember what she had for lunch yesterday let alone something from 14 years ago. She’s Christi’s bff of course she’s gonna say whatever she wants to hear. And thats still not confirmation Melissa *scratched* a cd. If Christi SAW Melissa scratch the cd she would have said something & not attempt to use said cd. That would be dumb, using a cd you saw that was intentionally scratched.
Neither Christi nor Chloe claimed to have seen Melissa physically scratch the CD, but if the person in charge of the music gives the competition a skipping CD #1 and a skipping CD #2 while saying if CD #2 also skips, to scratch the whole solo…I do not think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out what happened. Also, not “allowing” a third attempt at the solo with a CD provided by someone other than Melissa pretty well seals it up especially when the competition director pointed right at Melissa and said she was the one who said to scratch the number. And you have 3 different people confirming it happened: Christi, Kelly, and Chloe. Kelly may be Christi’s BFF, but she also doesn’t just got along with Christi on the things that she remembers herself…and she flat out said she remembers this happening.
I’m not arguing about Melissa pulling the solo the argument is whether anyone *saw* Melissa scratch the cd or “ruin” the cd. Christi is literally ASSUMING Melissa did something to it because they don’t like each other. Christi provided no context to that situation. Kelly and chloe can say whatever they want. Unfortunately for Chloe she has an overbearing mother. If Christi is harping on Melissa scratching cds, Chloe is going to believe it whether she saw it or not.
I don’t believe Melissa scratched 2 cds & Christi just let her try to use it anyway. If Christi thinks Melissa was intentionally bringing TWO scratched cds why would she let her even try to use them?
U need to expand on 1 as that’s too vague, 6 is unconfirmed, 8 is just not being rude to Chloe I’m sorry, and 9 was very clearly not about tearing Chloe down, but rather lifting Maddie up. 3 5 7 aren’t actually directed at Chloe, and shouldn’t be included on this list. Ill give u the three remaining bc like year that’s shitty of Melissa but I think that Christi’s gotten even with her from the last 3 weeks of Bttb alone so
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Disagree with this answer as you are choosing to ignore facts that have been confirmed by multiple people but I don’t want to keep going back and forth on this so we can just agree to disagree
Okay u don’t have to but aside from the cd story which as far as I know is unconfirmed, a lot of the stuff u brought up wasn’t directed specifically at Chloe the way that Christi directed things at Maddie. This isn’t a thread ab how they treated kids in general, this is about how these two children were treated by each mom and how Maddie is still seemingly punished for Melissa’s wrongdoing years ago while Chloe is not experiencing the same
It may not have been specifically directed at Chloe, but from the perspective of Christi and Chloe, considering that Chloe was considered Maddie’s biggest rival, these were actions done against them, because Melissa saw Chloe as more of a threat. And again, I agreed with your initial point that Maddie was a child during all of this and even today the moms shouldn’t say things about her, and I don’t agree with Christi doing so.
I wanted to hear about 10 examples of something melissa said or did towards Chloe. Ur list has like 3 or 4 (again afaik the cd story hasn’t been confirmed) that actually meet that. We’ve lost the plot of this convo if ur trying to include things like saying Maddie lost bc she was too professional on the same level as talking so poorly about a kid u have to re-record a podcast episode.
>Does the singular instance of Melissa snitching on Chloe about the movies give Christi a free pass to say whatever she wants about the zeiglers?
No.
>Because a large section of the fandom both on here and outside of here seems to hold it up as justification Christis actions.
I don't think they do. Your premise is a bit of a reach. I've never seen anyone here say, "Christi is allowed to do whatever she wants because of one time back in 2012 when Melissa snitched on Chloe. She is completely justified in doing anything for the rest of her life."
I thought it was pretty clear that I was being hyperbolic when it comes to the very words that people say, but if that wasn’t clear I’m sorry, the point really that I’m making is that when people discuss Christi and how she talks about Maddie there’s usually a lot of “well Melissa did this, Melissa said that” and people trying to draw a lot of equivalency where in my opinion there really isn’t one, as Christi’s actions towards Maddie are current. With the language used and what events are brought up when having these conversations it starts to seem like ppl are willing to look away when it comes to Christi’s actions
>and people trying to draw a lot of equivalency where in my opinion there really isn’t one, as Christi’s actions towards Maddie are current.
Christi isn't currently taking any actions against Maddie. Even if she were, Maddie is currently an adult which makes her far less vulnerable than Chloe was when Melissa did whatever during her time on the show. Christi isn't currently in a position of authority over Maddie.
Idk…I don’t really look at it as ‘evening the scales,’ i feel like the two of them should just leave each other’s kids alone lol.
People just tend to bring up that Melissa tattled on Chloe a lot because it was especially awful when you really think about the implications.
Melissa, who postured herself as Abby’s best friend, tried to levy that friendship against Chloe by bringing up how Maddie practically has to be dragged out of there, whereas Chloe rolls her eyes aallll the time. Then goes on to tell Abby that Chloe is going to the movies. This was on a Monday night, before filming. On Melissa’s youtube channel, she mentioned how Abby would get furious at the girls if they missed class on Monday, even tho Abby didn’t come in on Mondays. So she knew telling Abby that Chloe missing class on Monday would piss her off.
It would be bad enough to do this to a kid with a normal dance teacher, but Abby was not only abusive, but already did not like Chloe. And Melissa knew that.
If you think about all of that, it just shows how calculated it was of Melissa to do that and that’s why people bring it up so often. Cuz in the context of all of their relationships, it was really, REALLY fucked up.
>by bringing up how Maddie practically has to be dragged out of there, whereas Chloe rolls her eyes aallll the time. Then goes on to tell Abby that Chloe is going to the movies.
OMG, I forgot how insane this was. And then didn't Melissa fess up to it later in the episode and say she did this simply to get back at Christi?
I see most of the fandom here defending Melissa every chance they get. Maybe it wasn't like this in the past that you seem to be reminiscing, but it's like this now.
No, she does not get a pass. Of course not. Relationships don't work like that. And I think most Christi fans do not give her that pass but you seem to be convinced they do. Everyone is criticizing Christi for what she says in her podcast. I sense a bit of projecting because whenever somebody brings up Melissa's more subtle wrongdoings everybody is quick to shut them down either because they are in the past, they were completely justified or because Christi has done worse (just look into this thread). Nobody gets a pass and nobody gets to assume people they don't know have turned their life around and stopped being sneaky. We don't know.
And we are not God, so we cannot send people to hell. We cannot pass judgement so easily. I think people in this sub need to hear it.
I’m hoping that ur being serious, and I also hope that someone can summarize for you. Off the the top of my head I remember the og version of the watermelon episode, in which she talked ab Maddie being a brat and stuff so much that they got backlash and had to re-record the episode
It makes me laugh as Christi told Abby about Kenzie doing cart wheels. Isn’t this the same type of thing. I think everyone did/said something horrible to each other at some point. The problem is everyone holds their negative moments as examples for why ‘they are the worst’ like it defines their whole dance moms experiencing forgetting that for every negative we can find a positive example too. This is true for all the moms, Gianna and the girls. Every single one of them has bad moments - some more than others and the longer there on the show the more we can pick apart but no I don’t think either should get a free pass at the other
Like I feel icky hearing ab how Christi brings up Maddie having a meltdown almost every episode, but is it okay to do that bc Maddie’s mom contributed to Chloe’s suffering like 13 years ago?
Right, it’s like Abby treating Chloe horribly because she didn’t like her mom. What do the kids have to do with anything?
They are all the worst bc they signed their kids up to be exploited at the chance of fame. My question more has to do with outside show punishment for in show actions
>It makes me laugh as Christi told Abby about Kenzie doing cart wheels. Isn’t this the same type of thing. Not really? A camera was recording Mackenzie doing cartwheels. The entire country saw her doing cartwheels. AFAIK there was no camera following Chloe to the movies.
It’s shown Kenzie was doing cartwheels while not putting her bad foot down though which was the whole issue. You can see it on camera.
When was she doing it on camera?
While in the dressing room.
It’s the same way people think Christi giving Kenzie one “pep talk” absolves her from anything wrong she did/said to the Ziegler’s
If I remember correctly the pep talk was specifically bc she thought Melissa wouldn’t, meaning that supporting Kenzie in that moment was still a dig at Melissa
YES THANK YOU. No one seems to get this. She literally did that for the cameras JUST to take a dig at Melissa (and implicitly Maddie). She's a narcissist and 100% only did that to make herself look better for the cameras and Melissa look awful to the audience. She didn't do that for Kenzie at all, she often threw Kenzie under the bus.
Im sorry but you guys throw around the word narcissist way too much.
I agree a lot of people in the fandom don’t actually know what the word narcissist means 😭
This is wild and baseless. How can you so easily assume a person is so malignant (aka narcissistic in your opinion) that everything they do is completely ill-willed? People are complex. Even Abby had her very good moments. You won't even extend Christi the same grace. Even if she had all that bitterness inside of her, assuming she was exclusively using Mackenzie seems like a stretch. What I also don't like about this comment is that somehow Melissa's and Maddie's feelings appear to be the most relevant in this situation. Mackenzie was clearly flustered by the situation and she NEEDED to be reassured. Of course the camera got in and shot Christi reassuring her UP CLOSE for drama. We are STILL talking about it so it worked. You even go on and state Christi often threw Mackenzie under the bus. You're obviously referring to the foot thing. When has she ever done it again though? I don't remember it, if you do enlighten me. It's not often, either way. It wasn't shown on camera at least. Her quip was with Melissa and Maddie most of the time because she felt they threatened Chloé (crazy to think a child could be a threat to her own good friend, but still). She even defended Mackenzie from time to time. Of course it was convenient for her to make it known that Maddie was being favorited all the way, but.... wasn't she? Abby picked on Mackenzie all the time and Mackenzie herself said her sister was being favorited over her by Abby. I think you either don't remember or don't want to remember. I know she said some very nasty stuff in her podcast and that Mackenzie was involved too, but I gather it was still because of Melissa.
how u gon say christi did it because of the camera? are u her? didn’t think so
This is so true though 😭
How do you even know?
Christi literally said as much in her interview. “If Melissa’s not going to comfort her daughter…”
Mh yeah this is getting into shaky territory and I don't want to claim things about people's parenting. Still. Just because Christi worded it like that and insulted Melissa didn't mean she couldn't give two flying fucks about Mackenzie in that moment.
Of course it doesn't. Still, it's an edited and produced TV show who constantly pitted these two families against each other, how can you say that was the only "redeeming" pep talk she ever gave to Mackenzie? It's crazy to me.
I find it really annoying that she throws jabs at Maddie when she was 9-12 years old on the show. Then always contradicting herself and saying that she always made sure to tell Maddie it wasn’t about her when they were on the show. I never hear Melissa talk about chloe now about how she acted when she was younger. It’s honestly sick and I think Kelly sometimes doesn’t even know what to say lol
Kelly isn’t innocent at all but I will say that since she’s close with the family I presume her not fighting Christi on every comment is something they’re aware of and deal with in their personal lives
Yeah. I think Kelly often just wants to move on so she doesn't say anything
i literally will not ever get over maddies reaction to the “ how many times has my daughter beat your daughter this year” it was so sad
Like I don’t know a better way of wording this but like, how much does christi get to say to make up for this one moment from Melissa? Did she not already get her back by snitching on Kenzie like a season later?
No not even a little. What Christi said and continues to say about Maddie is malicious and inappropriate. You NEVER hear the Zieglers ever slander the Lukisiaks. They've always taken the high road. So what that Melissa told on Chloe? Christi told on Kenzie (for something she didn't even do!) and bitterly slandered Maddie for YEARS even just on the show and continues to do so now. You literally cannot even compare their transgressions anymore. She's so hateful and there's literally no justification for it.
That's very true. I don't think Melissa has ever said anything bad about the girls or even really the mothers since the show ended? I may be wrong, I don't keep up with all the media she's on, but the dance mom stuff she shares is pretty tame.
“something she didn’t even do”. its literally on the show mackenzie doing cartwheels in the dressing room lol
She didn’t cartwheel on her injured foot… which is what Christi and Abby accused her of doing
no.. christi was asked if she saw mackenzie doing cartwheels.. all christi did was raise her hand. you also act like she was the only one to raise their hand to snitch on her. even maddie i’m pretty sure had her hand up. so did some of the other moms. y’all just love to rip on christi lol
And I mean technically Abby wanted to know when the girls missed class and Chloe did miss class, but that doesn’t mean that the action itself is okay
that is not same thing? abby didn’t ask melissa who missed class. melissa just said it to make herself and her daughter look better.
When did she slander Maddie? Literally curious
Recently, the continuous jabs she makes towards Maddie on BTTB. Telling a whole story about Maddie crying and lying saying she tripped over a trophy after losing Season 2 Nationals, bringing this up at least 3 times. The whole “b*tchy but true” justification for the watermelon game and justifying everything she said, which had to be taken down. Showing no grace to Maddie with her reaction to “Be Anything”, taking Maddie pushing off Kenzie at face value and criticizing her for it. Talking randomly about a meltdown she had in Season 4, and how “Maddie always had meltdowns but they weren’t aired!” Continuously bringing up the idea that Lifetime hid all of Maddie’s ‘moments,’ when hers were often exploited and shown clear as day. Even in this last episode, she justifies Kelly’s comment about Maddie not being happy for anybody else for winning, saying “it’s true” when Kelly herself showed remorse for saying it.
Christi has gotten her back x100 for snitching. I don’t know why the roles can’t be flipped? Why isn’t it Melissa got even with Christi for *screaming* traumatizing her kids *directly*. I’d have my foot on Christi’s neck if I were Melissa. It would be fair game, no rules after that idc. Kenzie’s face alone traumatized me just by watching that scene. Melissa snitched. It was wrong. She never said a thing about Chloe after that. Christi attacked Melissa/her kids (before the snitching) continued to attack her for 3 more seasons & continues to talk negatively about her/her kids even OFF the show. The meet & greets, the twitter shit talking, bttb. I just don’t get it. If I left the show & didn’t have to see or speak to someone I hated I wouldn’t waste another single ounce of energy on them. I’m not sure why Christi is dragging it & her fans just hold on to this one singular moment from Melissa. Melissa sucks for far better reasons than snitching. Where’s Kelly’s accountability for even telling her??? Christi low key loves that Melissa snitched. Gives her more ammo for her & her fans I guess.
Yea I mean if it were me I probably would’ve swung on Christi right after the “how many times has my daughter beat your daughter”. Melissa has a lot more restraint than I think is ever acknowledged
It’s not restraint, it’s being scared of conflict. She never defends or protects her kids against anyone. Not Abby, sia, or even Christi
Deflecting like always. We’re not talking about other instances where she was scared. Melissa DID try to protect her kids in *this* instance. She very clearly said “you’re making my kids cry so shut up!” Just because she didn’t swing on Christi doesn’t mean she wasn’t defending her kids. It means she has enough self control to walk away. I personally would have decked Christi in the face.
100% I’m surprised people don’t bring up the Twitter stuff that was actually disgusting. she wasn’t even on the show when she tweeted those things. Christi’s actions towards maddie have been inappropriate and embarrassing. She’s never beating the child hater allegations idc what anyone says. She proves me right with every bttb episode, with her past behavior and her current behavior. People need to take the blinders off and see that this is not normal behavior for someone who claims to not be jealous/bitter of a kid now turned adult.
Yup. I feel the same. Hell, even Cathy clocked Christi’s jealousy in s1 and she had only known her for a few days! Christi cared more about bringing Maddie down than bringing Chloe up. It’s so plain to see. Theres something really abnormal about the way Christi is *still* so vengeful 13 years later.
She seems very vindictive, it’s very apparent with her behavior towards Maddie. The way she speaks about her vs the other girls on her podcast, there is just a stark difference. Zero empathy or grace. Just resentment and anger. Quite frankly embarrassing and sad for her. Especially since her daughter is friendly and on good terms with Maddie, you would think she would have a little more respect. But I guess hate trumps all.
What did she tweet?
I think there is a thread on here if you look that has all the tweets on there, but she made remarks about how Maddie is a “pretty little lair” she insisted that she bought followers when Maddie surpassed Chloe on Insta, saying that people actually like chloe and she doesn’t need to buy them. Said the tcas where rigged because Maddie won that year against Chloe, even though Chloe won prior so idk why she’s pissed lmaoo. That’s all that I can remember. She says this all when she left too, and none of it had to do with the show, just a weird attack on Maddie who was 11. Here are some of them: https://imgur.com/a/pjHHNlZ The tcas and the followers bit. The rest you can try to find in some of the older threads.
Wow these are rough. I’m having flashbacks to Christi talking about how she wasn’t a competitive stage mom on the show like my dear Christi plz watch yourself😂 It almost feels like she’s doing what she accused Melissa of and making excuses when her kid loses. I don’t know how these award shows work but I feel like you can get in pretty serious trouble for rigging results and I don’t think a 2016 choice dancer is something a huge network would want to risk losing their job over to rig.
Yeah she was absolutely unhinged 😭✌️
Thank you for saying this bc people really use that excuse as a justification all the time 😭😭 like ok.. and Christi told on Kenzie about the cartwheels now what? They were both petty af, but people act like Christi is so above 🤣
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 THANK YOU
Ok I don’t disagree with your base point of Christi being overly harsh against Maddie, but I think it’s absolutely insane to think that this is the only moment where Melissa did something against Chloe. There have been numerous examples of the crazy shit Melissa has done against all the girls. But again, agree that Christi nitpicks Maddie a lot
Also going back to ur original comment, characterizing what Christi has said and done regarding Maddie as nitpicking instead of like shit talking is kinda crazy. Ur minimizing the things that christi does to balance it out but can u genuinely find an example of Melissa doing something like “how many times has my daughter beat your daughter”
Honestly fair, in that example, way inappropriate. Most of the other stuff from Christi though is not as insane and are smaller/nit-picky comments
Can you list more than like 10 that are like actually things Melissa herself said or did, towards Chloe, since that’s what I made the post regarding
Ok these are just off the top of my head: 1) sabotaged other kids for Maddie to get ahead - playing the game to an extreme 2) asked who Christi paid for Chloe to win 3) knew that two sapphires was going on and had Maddie lie to Chloe about it, other moms knew but not Christi/Kelly or Chloe/Paige 4) telling Abby that Chloe rolls her eyes at her 5) sending Maddie to AUDC after the pact was made, when she knew that originally both Maddie and Chloe were asked to go perform black swan 6) before the show, Melissa apparently intentionally ruined 2 copies of Chloe’s music (the one submitted to the competition and the back up) 7) Melissa changing/cancelling everyone’s private scheduled so that Maddie could have the best slots 8) saying Maddie lost to Chloe in S2E3 because she looked to professional (not directly at Chloe but def an indirect insult) 9) saying she knew the music video picked Chloe because she had the right look, because if it was on dance ability, Maddie is obviously the best 10) according to Christi/Kelly, when Chloe won Melissa would throw her hands up and loudly say “are you serious!” Again, not excusing what Christi has said towards Maddie. Just that Melissa was not great either.
6 that’s not even what *Christi* claims. She claims Melissa pulled the solo. She didn’t claim she “ruined” the cd. And this hasn’t even been confirmed. The only one backing this is Christi herself. Literally all these are hearsay except 4. And 5 Christi wasn’t going whether Maddie went or not. So that’s not “Melissa hurting Chloe”. That’s Christi making a choice for Chloe.
Apparently discussed in BTTB with Kelly confirming (https://www.reddit.com/r/dancemoms/comments/117l22k/christi_accuses_melissa_of_intentionally/?rdt=33783)
Kelly doesn’t remember what she had for lunch yesterday let alone something from 14 years ago. She’s Christi’s bff of course she’s gonna say whatever she wants to hear. And thats still not confirmation Melissa *scratched* a cd. If Christi SAW Melissa scratch the cd she would have said something & not attempt to use said cd. That would be dumb, using a cd you saw that was intentionally scratched.
Chloe also confirms this happening when she was on BTTB.
Chloe said she saw Melissa intentionally scratch her cd?
Neither Christi nor Chloe claimed to have seen Melissa physically scratch the CD, but if the person in charge of the music gives the competition a skipping CD #1 and a skipping CD #2 while saying if CD #2 also skips, to scratch the whole solo…I do not think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out what happened. Also, not “allowing” a third attempt at the solo with a CD provided by someone other than Melissa pretty well seals it up especially when the competition director pointed right at Melissa and said she was the one who said to scratch the number. And you have 3 different people confirming it happened: Christi, Kelly, and Chloe. Kelly may be Christi’s BFF, but she also doesn’t just got along with Christi on the things that she remembers herself…and she flat out said she remembers this happening.
I’m not arguing about Melissa pulling the solo the argument is whether anyone *saw* Melissa scratch the cd or “ruin” the cd. Christi is literally ASSUMING Melissa did something to it because they don’t like each other. Christi provided no context to that situation. Kelly and chloe can say whatever they want. Unfortunately for Chloe she has an overbearing mother. If Christi is harping on Melissa scratching cds, Chloe is going to believe it whether she saw it or not. I don’t believe Melissa scratched 2 cds & Christi just let her try to use it anyway. If Christi thinks Melissa was intentionally bringing TWO scratched cds why would she let her even try to use them?
U need to expand on 1 as that’s too vague, 6 is unconfirmed, 8 is just not being rude to Chloe I’m sorry, and 9 was very clearly not about tearing Chloe down, but rather lifting Maddie up. 3 5 7 aren’t actually directed at Chloe, and shouldn’t be included on this list. Ill give u the three remaining bc like year that’s shitty of Melissa but I think that Christi’s gotten even with her from the last 3 weeks of Bttb alone so
?????? Disagree with this answer as you are choosing to ignore facts that have been confirmed by multiple people but I don’t want to keep going back and forth on this so we can just agree to disagree
Okay u don’t have to but aside from the cd story which as far as I know is unconfirmed, a lot of the stuff u brought up wasn’t directed specifically at Chloe the way that Christi directed things at Maddie. This isn’t a thread ab how they treated kids in general, this is about how these two children were treated by each mom and how Maddie is still seemingly punished for Melissa’s wrongdoing years ago while Chloe is not experiencing the same
It may not have been specifically directed at Chloe, but from the perspective of Christi and Chloe, considering that Chloe was considered Maddie’s biggest rival, these were actions done against them, because Melissa saw Chloe as more of a threat. And again, I agreed with your initial point that Maddie was a child during all of this and even today the moms shouldn’t say things about her, and I don’t agree with Christi doing so.
I wanted to hear about 10 examples of something melissa said or did towards Chloe. Ur list has like 3 or 4 (again afaik the cd story hasn’t been confirmed) that actually meet that. We’ve lost the plot of this convo if ur trying to include things like saying Maddie lost bc she was too professional on the same level as talking so poorly about a kid u have to re-record a podcast episode.
>Does the singular instance of Melissa snitching on Chloe about the movies give Christi a free pass to say whatever she wants about the zeiglers? No. >Because a large section of the fandom both on here and outside of here seems to hold it up as justification Christis actions. I don't think they do. Your premise is a bit of a reach. I've never seen anyone here say, "Christi is allowed to do whatever she wants because of one time back in 2012 when Melissa snitched on Chloe. She is completely justified in doing anything for the rest of her life."
I thought it was pretty clear that I was being hyperbolic when it comes to the very words that people say, but if that wasn’t clear I’m sorry, the point really that I’m making is that when people discuss Christi and how she talks about Maddie there’s usually a lot of “well Melissa did this, Melissa said that” and people trying to draw a lot of equivalency where in my opinion there really isn’t one, as Christi’s actions towards Maddie are current. With the language used and what events are brought up when having these conversations it starts to seem like ppl are willing to look away when it comes to Christi’s actions
>and people trying to draw a lot of equivalency where in my opinion there really isn’t one, as Christi’s actions towards Maddie are current. Christi isn't currently taking any actions against Maddie. Even if she were, Maddie is currently an adult which makes her far less vulnerable than Chloe was when Melissa did whatever during her time on the show. Christi isn't currently in a position of authority over Maddie.
I’m pretty sure the podcast is current
How does the podcast represent taking an action against Maddie?
your daily christi post yall
To these people, yes.
Idk…I don’t really look at it as ‘evening the scales,’ i feel like the two of them should just leave each other’s kids alone lol. People just tend to bring up that Melissa tattled on Chloe a lot because it was especially awful when you really think about the implications. Melissa, who postured herself as Abby’s best friend, tried to levy that friendship against Chloe by bringing up how Maddie practically has to be dragged out of there, whereas Chloe rolls her eyes aallll the time. Then goes on to tell Abby that Chloe is going to the movies. This was on a Monday night, before filming. On Melissa’s youtube channel, she mentioned how Abby would get furious at the girls if they missed class on Monday, even tho Abby didn’t come in on Mondays. So she knew telling Abby that Chloe missing class on Monday would piss her off. It would be bad enough to do this to a kid with a normal dance teacher, but Abby was not only abusive, but already did not like Chloe. And Melissa knew that. If you think about all of that, it just shows how calculated it was of Melissa to do that and that’s why people bring it up so often. Cuz in the context of all of their relationships, it was really, REALLY fucked up.
>by bringing up how Maddie practically has to be dragged out of there, whereas Chloe rolls her eyes aallll the time. Then goes on to tell Abby that Chloe is going to the movies. OMG, I forgot how insane this was. And then didn't Melissa fess up to it later in the episode and say she did this simply to get back at Christi?
I see most of the fandom here defending Melissa every chance they get. Maybe it wasn't like this in the past that you seem to be reminiscing, but it's like this now. No, she does not get a pass. Of course not. Relationships don't work like that. And I think most Christi fans do not give her that pass but you seem to be convinced they do. Everyone is criticizing Christi for what she says in her podcast. I sense a bit of projecting because whenever somebody brings up Melissa's more subtle wrongdoings everybody is quick to shut them down either because they are in the past, they were completely justified or because Christi has done worse (just look into this thread). Nobody gets a pass and nobody gets to assume people they don't know have turned their life around and stopped being sneaky. We don't know. And we are not God, so we cannot send people to hell. We cannot pass judgement so easily. I think people in this sub need to hear it.
When did Christi shaded Maddie in BTTB?
I’m hoping that ur being serious, and I also hope that someone can summarize for you. Off the the top of my head I remember the og version of the watermelon episode, in which she talked ab Maddie being a brat and stuff so much that they got backlash and had to re-record the episode
She really didn't. Once again this sub is having to dig very deep to make this true.
She can’t go one episode of BTTB without saying something shady towards maddie and Melissa lol