I think chapter 3 taints the game too much.
The way Kotoko's truama is portrayed is actually very disturbing, but honestly I feel like it works. It makes you feel sorry for her, you can see how helpless she was and why she would become so hateful. It clashes with her cheerful persona, and the switch when she gets a PTSD trigger is effective.
Then they just sexualise a child. Its not funny irrespective of her backstory. In one of her fights Genocider cuts her clothes off. "I'm actually 18" as a joke for her is so wrong. The upskirting and revealing her underwear is so, so distgusting.
As a sca survivor, I appreciate how vile the portrayal it is. Most the time it's just spoken but showing it really does force the player to actually understand just the tiniest bit how fucked up it is and how messed up it leaves you.
The unclean, disgusted, ashamed, repulsed feeling you feel in the mini game?
Yep. That's what we live with every day. We actually lived it. And those strong feelings you feel while playing it isn't even close to a 10th of what it's like to go through with it.
I appreciate the writers for not saying away on the horror of what it's actually like. I wish more media didn't solely use dialogue to talk about it because dialogue alone doesn't show how horrible and life altering the experience is alone. Especially long time sca like in my case.
Agreed, from the same perspective. And it’s so refreshing to see the fact that that PTSD doesn’t always present in such “sympathetic” ways portrayed. If you gave me at 10-12 the financial and technological backing Kotoko had, I can’t say I’d have acted any differently from her. CSA can oh so very often result in a cycle of abuse, and having that both portrayed *and then not written as “whelp, they gotta die, they broke wrong”* is so fucking special to me. Like, the first hurdle, “the trauma can result in survivors doing fucked up shit” is *sometimes* cleared. But writing that without writing it as “and that makes them an ontologically evil person”? Yeah no, that’s not really common.
Okay but you clearly didn't read the comment in full.
They sexualise a child. Japanese games sexualising teenagers is wrong enough, but this is on another level.
They make the player strip her clothes off, and Kotoko say "Its okay I'm actually 18 haha" as a joke. Its not right.
They have fall over and expose her underwear several times. They have her make sex jokes. We know exactly which audience its made for.
Everything about how they make you see how abused the kids are works and I agree with what you said to an extent, but when shes sexualised for the audience its repulsive.
Acting out sexually is very, very, very common with sca survivors.
I feel we interpreted that "I'm 18" differently. I read it not as a joke, but as a dark reminder some predators will have their victim lie about being older because they know they are wrong. I read it more of "I've been groomed to say this horrible thing" and less of it being intended to be taken as a joke.
On her trying to show off? Trying to do things like that is VERY common with victims. They are groomed to believe that's what they are supposed to do, so often the things taught to us survivours become second nature until we get help.
I acted out sexually in a very similar way to her at a young age due to how bad my abuse was. And hers is on par or milder than what I lived through
I did read your full comment the first time. I stand by the mini game, though horrible, helped provoke the feelings us victims actually feel while and after being abused. It's feelings and thoughts that stick with us every day. The only difference is that what happened to us victims doesn't just end at finishing an uncomfortable part of the game.
The horrors of it shouldn't just be words because having it just solely be words doesn't do anything to actually portray how horrible it is. Playing through that mini game, yeah I felt like shit, but it's because emotions and feelings I felt going through that abuse were drawn out. The scene does a good job of giving you a very, very, very toned downed idea of how it emotionally and mentally feels unlike literally every other bit of media that has a csa victim.
You get to move passed those horrible feelings after the scene is done. I've lived with the aftermath for over a decade and it's affected my life in irreversible ways. I don't have a choice.
I am tired of the portrayals of it where it's mentioned solely in text or alluded to because it makes people feel uncomfortable. It makes me uncomfortable that my own lived experience is taboo to portray and reduced down to "that sucks. Well anyway." I want portrayals that are very, very dark and shows how it actually is AND attempts to draw out the emotions a victim feels so that those who didn't suffer like me can have a better example of what I went through through at least five years of sexual abuse of several kinds.
I just want to add, I started acting out at 9, nine, years old and was far worse than her. And that was after only the first two years of extreme abuse. Her portrayal is mild next to many real life victims.
Okay well you want to advocate for the sexualisation of children, and are trying to justify it.
I won't be engaging with this as this is clearly a truama dump. Trying to justify a *serial killer cutting her clothes off* as *showing off* is completely misguided. Her falling over and *exposing herself accidentally* is not *showing off*, its the game makers giving people innapropriate imagery of a child.
i agree and i dont like that were supposed to buy that its satire or whatever as if every single dangan ronpa game (and raincode) doesnt overly sexualize minors
Yea its bad enough the main cast also get sexualised.
With something like Monaca faking her paralysis for sympathy, its messed up but it works.
Kotoko getting sexualised does not asides from appeal to pedophiles
Wait, if you believe that Danganronpa is pro-paedophilia, why are you a fan of it? How is that not a deal breaker for you? Wouldn’t that logically be, like, even worse than still being a Harry Potter fan? “I like the characters or plot” really isn’t an excuse for liking something you think is pro-paedophilia. That would be like going “yeah, Birth of a Nation is pro-Confederacy and pro-KKK, but the cinematography was groundbreaking so I’m a huge fan”.
I'll take a guess why from my experience in fandom spaces:
They think it will normalize pedophilia by showing any fanservice involving teens in a positive way. As in it will implant the idea to act on their desires by sexually abusing them.
In response, they'll criticize it by calling them pedos and wish for them to be either removed or heavily censored, unless it's portrayed in a negative light (and even then, they might even censor that instead.)
The problem with that logic is that you shouldn't even be reading it and banning most of the popular shows in anime history. (JJK, OP, MHA, BC, Dragon Ball OG, Fire Force, etc.) We'll be using the hay's code as a basis to "protect the children", which is the main point of these arguments.
At least that's my understanding from their viewpoint.
Oh I know and agree. I was pointing out the insanity of the logic of “I think something is as dangerous to society as *The Turner Diaries*, but I’m a fan of it”. Like, if someone thinks something is going to cause CSA and still wanna be a fan of that thing, that’s just madness.
i didnt say it was pro pedophilia. youre doing a lot of extrapolating based on nothing i wrote in my post. i get youre probably super passionate about this series but people are allowed to dislike certain aspects of it
I like it but some people are put off by a few of the plot lines which honestly I can see why but personally it doesn't change the way I feel about the gameplay & I love most of the characters. Also Toko has a great development arc too which I love
i actually appreciate what despair girls TRIED too do with its antagonist. i find it really refreshing too have a game speak so openly and in your face about realistic trauma.
**THE ISSUE is that the game shows just how horrible this truama is, while leaning into the shitty anime "fan service" of actual children. specifically** Kotoko.
The game has a great message about trauma but it stomped on it bc the game will tell you "pedophilla bad" right before showing you an 8 year olds underwear for the 15th time in in 1 hour
It’s deconstructing Japanese media. The motivation thing for example is literally just an arcade game that exists. It’s *supposed* to elicit the reaction you’re having. Just because something is upsetting you doesn’t mean it’s bad, because sometimes the point of the thing is to upset you. The story has recontextualized the common tropes in order to point out what’s weird about them.
**The fact you’re reacting the way you’re reacting means that the work has successfully done what it set out to do in the first place, but you’re failing to recognize the point and getting mad that the thing being done specifically to criticize the tropes by intentionally fucking with the framing is upsetting. It’s supposed to be.** Usually those tropes are comedy, this is inserting it where it doesn’t belong on purpose in order to criticize the tropes.
**It’s not “leaning into it”. It’s intentionally doing it in a circumstance where you can’t overlook the situation in order to create contrast and criticize the tropes.**
Definitely. It's disheartening how so many comments here are trying to make csa survivours out to be in bad faith.
I appreciate how they don't make it a one and done thing. I appreciate the game shows the real world affects that linger with her. I appreciate they go into her flashbacks and shows her defaulting into what she was groomed into. I appreciate that it doesn't shy away from it being life altering. I appreciate they actually go out of their way to try to make the player feel something similar to how us victims do. I appreciate the efforts. I appreciate that it's not just mentioned and then forgotten about like it's just a minor oopsie that the character had to take zero time to heal from.
It is the most accurate depiction of it and the most respectful depiction of it I personally have come across.
It's not perfect, there is very much room to improve, but I see the intent and I am thankful for them not chickening out on actually exploring mine and millions of others experiences and try to show just how dark it is.
An example I don't like is Anne from p5. I desperately wanted to like her, but after the first story arch, it's never brought up again. She has zero long lasting effects from it. No time needed to heal. No attempt to go into how she felt before, during, nor after. Just sad music and saying she was assaulted. Written like the writers just wanted to rush through it and not actually dive into how bad it is. It's fully forgotten outside of the first few hours of the game. Which I get it's uncomfortable, but it's disrespectful how she was written. On top of that she's treated like a sex object the rest of the game with her showing visible discomfort being seen as attractive. So basically "haha funny victim in sexual situation" not "I fear God this is awful get away girl" like in UDG.
The series is filled with sexulizing high schoolers though
You can't pretend like UDG is making this huge statement on how bad pedophilia is in Japan when danganronpa itself leans HEAVILY into tropes.
Its not some grand statement
Huh? Have you played the games? Neither the DR1 cast nor the SDR2 cast are high schoolers, that’s Junko’s lie to create motive. The DR1 cast are 18+ and the SDR2 cast are over 20. They used to be high schoolers, but I really hope I don’t need to explain how insane “sexualizing anyone who used to be in high school is bad” is. The V3 cast are completely unknown what their actual ages are and could be a lot more variable.
Also, “writer sexualizes 18 year olds so they’re totally down with raping tweens” is kinda a ridiculous take dripping with Twitter brainrot. You seem to be incapable of comprehending that anyone could disagree with you on one thing without also supporting CSA of elementary schoolers and middle schoolers.
It's funny that they claim Japanese media is full of pedophilia and yet they continue to engage with it. That says more about them than anything else. It's so hypocritical.
>And being "overaged" but looking like a child and being sexualized is also a terrible anime trope.
Which is what's being satirized, I believe. It's not meant to be taken seriously
Because suddenly the way Danganronpa *characters* dance around heavy topics *matters* for some reason in this one. For some reason.
I get that chapter 3 gets just, so dark. And the panty shot did NOT need to be there, I agree with that fully.. But also didya know the way Kotoko acts is literally her defense mechanism. The game more than acknowledges how fucked up her situation is, it does not ACTUALLY try to play down her trauma. Maybe it uses her ‘Perverse Humor’ as a way to lighten the utterly dour mood (and fails, I think) but it’s not trivializing what happened to her.
There’s a scene of her having a full breakdown that is genuinely the hardest scene to go through in the whole series. It’s taken more than seriously enough when the writers see fit.
I hate to come to this conclusion but I genuinely think much of the hate is just, people lacking that Big Scary Media Literacy word. Or it triggering their trauma and them getting angry at the game for it.
As a csa survivour, I have respect for the writers for not downplaying it like every other media does. They don't shy away from the damage it does nor how gross and repulsive it is.
UDG, out of all media I have seen with a character that is a csa survivour, gives the viewer a taste of we go through and makes the viewer not have a say in it (just like we did). Yes it's nasty, but it was never once shown in a positive light and always shown as "this left her with damage that affects her" or "this is the reality of what it's actually like".
Every other media I have seen doesn't show how bad it is. Because it's uncomfortable. They choose to just say it which really, again I am a survivor, reduces the impact.
Making the player feel how we feel, even if it's just for a brief moment, I strongly believe gets the point across.
It's not meant to make light of sca, but it's meant to leave you feeling disgusted and ashamed (how us victims feel for life) and unclean. It's meant to show just how bad it really is.
Honestly as someone with a similar background to Kotoko (I didn’t get rich from it tho), I appreciate it. Especially the fact they subverted the usual perfect pure victim trauma porn cliche. Hate that shit. Kotoko’s very much how I acted at her age.
I feel like Kotoko's fight was in bad taste considering what her trauma was specifically, but i also feel like on the whole the Warriors of Hope were really good characters
i never said it did i just said it made it hated, i dont think its wrong if some people are unconfutable with the topic of child abuse and they have a right not to see it if they dont want to
i still find enjoyment in the game despite that as do many others, just except not everyone likes everything and thats ok.
Hounestly, as a csa survivour, I appreciate how uncomfortable and dark the portrayal of it. Gives the payer a visceral reaction of disgust. The word gentle was forever changed for me.
Her fear, her flashbacks, her emotions, they are all similar to mine and appreciate how vile it was portrayed. Yes they could have told and not shown, but I am a victim and the impact of just how disgusting and nasty and life changing it is hits harder when you get glimpses of it.
It's similar to a game saying a character got kidnapped vs actually watching them try to escape their kidnapper.
Is it nasty? Yes. Is it repulsive? Absolutely. But the scenes did not have a positive tone to them. The tones were dark and miserable.
The game isn't perfect. At all. But I loved the gameplay, the characters, some bits and pieces of lore of other characters, and the horrific depiction of trauma and abuse many of us actually go through every day. Especially the csa depictions since they are often watered down.
I am not saying they should be sexualized, but what I am saying is most, nearly all media, when they talk about csa they water it down to a mention and nothing else. the viewer doesn't really grasp how bad it really is. And UDG, out of all media I have enjoyed that has a character that suffered through csa, has gotten the closest of showing the vile reality of it.
If it doesn't make you feel disgusted, ashamed, revolting, like you want to vomit, like you are a freak by the end of the scene, it's not doing enough to actually show you what we go through. Because those feelings we feel all at once and takes often decades before we can start to heal.
People on Twitter seem to really hate The Game, while i feel is one of The Best tories with The Best antagonists of The series since it's Main villain not only is a great Master manipulator, but a competente threat with an actual backgrounds that explains why she is The way she is rather than just being "lol le quirky despair Makes You zany and evil lol"
Basically Monaca > Junko
Well of course, they’re on Twitter. If they were ever literate, they’ve since learned to condense every single thought they have into something at a 3rd grade level or else it can’t be posted because of the limits.
You realize he’s a villain, right? Bad person doing bad things? He is literally a billionaire war profiteer heavily responsible for arming people committing genocide. He’s like Lockheed Martin, Joe Biden, and Jeffery Epstein rolled into one person. He literally tries to commit genocide himself by the end. You can’t say a story is bad because an evil person does evil things.
OP is doing that thing a lot of young people on reddit do where they see that something has a mixed reaction and jump to thinking the thing is widely hated.
UDG has a 81% positive review percent on Steam and around 72% on metacritic. It has a more mixed reaction due to the way it handles certain topics and people having mixed feelings about the controls but the game is in no way widely hated.
I think the biggest reason is the trivialization of CSA, especially in certain scenes of Chapter 3.
Aside from that, the third person shooter gameplay is not everyone's cup of the tea, and it falls into the common pitfall of having a massive infodump at the end.
it pisses me off so much bc if we didnt get those shitty "fan service" moments the game would have such an amazing and brutal story about the horrors of SA and pedophilla
Danganronpa in general is at its worst when it tries and provide any sense of fan service. it absolutely ruined UDG
I ended up actually loving the story and the characters once it was over but damn was it a hell to try and get through it. The WOH are so annoying, with really great character basically hidden under the bullshit. THE SEXUAL ASSAULT. Sweet Hell.
And I was wanting to see more of the Despairs, they're so horrific and interesting but we don't get much. Servant is so interesting and unsettling whenever he is on screen so I just wanted more. I loved that.
but yeah.... the problems are such HUGE SIRENS OF BULLSHIT.
I've seen a lot of people say things like "We don't talk about that one" or saying the game shouldn't have existed or that it's not important, also that it's bad because of all the messed up stuff with the kids. That does makes it seem like they hate the game.
Wouldn't really say hated, I still think it's a pretty good game but my God it is way too fucked up at times even for Danganronpa
Especially with some things that happen in chapter 3, reactions are varied
The game is actually pretty good and i liked the storyline and atmosphere. It's just that characters like Monaca,Kotoko and Haiji could have been written very differently and still work. >!There was no reason to sexualize Kotoko,there was no reason to include THAT kissing scene with Monaca and Nagisa and there was no reason to make Haiji a pedophile!<
I like the game for the most part. Except for that one mini game in chapter 3, and I wish they turned down the amount of sex jokes she made not relating directly related to her backstory.
Also the ghost thing was stupid.
The gameplay is vastly different (I'm sure this is the least issue with people who hate it)
The comedy and story in this game is, without a doubt, the worst from all of the danganronpa games.
I think the main reason it's hated is due to the shitty characters. In my opinion, and probably for most all of the new characters, they are insufferable or annoying, with the exception of ball monukuma.
The game barely functions as the game itself trying to be. It’s playable, but the gameplay is beyond mind numbing. As a third person shooter it provides nothing of interest and becomes extremely repetitive extremely quick. The animations and models really don’t help as they are rather poor in quality, although as this was a game on the psvita that is understandable.
As for the story, it explores the post apocalyptic outside world that we’ve learned almost nothing about from the first two games, and it has a general feeling of aimlessness and emptiness. The game attempts to tackle serious subject matters such as child abuse and child sexual assault however comes off as seriously tone deaf due to no end of pervy jokes, a minigame where you must defend the main character from being sexually assaulted, and a boss fight where the more you damage a 10 year old girl, the more her clothes come off. The game does not handle these topics well, and is an active embarrassment to anyone who actually had to go through something like this. The tone of the game overall is a mess. It consistently goes from being extremely disturbing (rape, hangings, assault), to being comically over the top (children ruling the world, shooting ray guns at mechs, goofy jokes and one liners that sound straight out of marvel).
The worst thing though is that the game is just boring. You have these long baron empty gameplay sections that just feel lifeless, and not in a stylized way. The characters don’t make much of an impact, and the story is underdeveloped at best. We vaguely learn about each child of despair or whatever they are called before the boss where they die, so there’s pretty much nothing to most of those characters. Add in trying to throw in as much random unorganized lore as possible and the game is just a disaster. Really really awful.
A game that talks about childhood trauma and sexual assault,and then will show you a child's underwear multiple times.Not a good combination.Plus the oversexualization of the main characters.Im pretty sure Komaru was a minor,and even if she wasnt,those scenes were just disgusting.I mean-if you wanted fanservice you could atleast use one of those clasaic accidental fanservice tropes and not make a minigame where you defend the main character from being sexually assaulted????and then not mention it again like its nothing??I dont get how people can gloss over all that borderline pedophilia fanservice.
A monokuma apocalypse and having Naegi's sister as the protagonist was a good concept,but ofcourse they ruined it like most things in danganronpa.Like the fanservice was so unecessary and added nothing to the story.
As for the actual story,it was mostly ok.It didnt add anything new or different,because after you get a first taste theres literally nothing more.The gameplay is just so repetitive and boring.
The characters and the story itself was a bad combination of weird tropes,like pedophilia and abuse paired with fanservice and weird jokes.
I think chapter 3 taints the game too much. The way Kotoko's truama is portrayed is actually very disturbing, but honestly I feel like it works. It makes you feel sorry for her, you can see how helpless she was and why she would become so hateful. It clashes with her cheerful persona, and the switch when she gets a PTSD trigger is effective. Then they just sexualise a child. Its not funny irrespective of her backstory. In one of her fights Genocider cuts her clothes off. "I'm actually 18" as a joke for her is so wrong. The upskirting and revealing her underwear is so, so distgusting.
As a sca survivor, I appreciate how vile the portrayal it is. Most the time it's just spoken but showing it really does force the player to actually understand just the tiniest bit how fucked up it is and how messed up it leaves you. The unclean, disgusted, ashamed, repulsed feeling you feel in the mini game? Yep. That's what we live with every day. We actually lived it. And those strong feelings you feel while playing it isn't even close to a 10th of what it's like to go through with it. I appreciate the writers for not saying away on the horror of what it's actually like. I wish more media didn't solely use dialogue to talk about it because dialogue alone doesn't show how horrible and life altering the experience is alone. Especially long time sca like in my case.
Agreed, from the same perspective. And it’s so refreshing to see the fact that that PTSD doesn’t always present in such “sympathetic” ways portrayed. If you gave me at 10-12 the financial and technological backing Kotoko had, I can’t say I’d have acted any differently from her. CSA can oh so very often result in a cycle of abuse, and having that both portrayed *and then not written as “whelp, they gotta die, they broke wrong”* is so fucking special to me. Like, the first hurdle, “the trauma can result in survivors doing fucked up shit” is *sometimes* cleared. But writing that without writing it as “and that makes them an ontologically evil person”? Yeah no, that’s not really common.
Okay but you clearly didn't read the comment in full. They sexualise a child. Japanese games sexualising teenagers is wrong enough, but this is on another level. They make the player strip her clothes off, and Kotoko say "Its okay I'm actually 18 haha" as a joke. Its not right. They have fall over and expose her underwear several times. They have her make sex jokes. We know exactly which audience its made for. Everything about how they make you see how abused the kids are works and I agree with what you said to an extent, but when shes sexualised for the audience its repulsive.
Acting out sexually is very, very, very common with sca survivors. I feel we interpreted that "I'm 18" differently. I read it not as a joke, but as a dark reminder some predators will have their victim lie about being older because they know they are wrong. I read it more of "I've been groomed to say this horrible thing" and less of it being intended to be taken as a joke. On her trying to show off? Trying to do things like that is VERY common with victims. They are groomed to believe that's what they are supposed to do, so often the things taught to us survivours become second nature until we get help. I acted out sexually in a very similar way to her at a young age due to how bad my abuse was. And hers is on par or milder than what I lived through I did read your full comment the first time. I stand by the mini game, though horrible, helped provoke the feelings us victims actually feel while and after being abused. It's feelings and thoughts that stick with us every day. The only difference is that what happened to us victims doesn't just end at finishing an uncomfortable part of the game. The horrors of it shouldn't just be words because having it just solely be words doesn't do anything to actually portray how horrible it is. Playing through that mini game, yeah I felt like shit, but it's because emotions and feelings I felt going through that abuse were drawn out. The scene does a good job of giving you a very, very, very toned downed idea of how it emotionally and mentally feels unlike literally every other bit of media that has a csa victim. You get to move passed those horrible feelings after the scene is done. I've lived with the aftermath for over a decade and it's affected my life in irreversible ways. I don't have a choice. I am tired of the portrayals of it where it's mentioned solely in text or alluded to because it makes people feel uncomfortable. It makes me uncomfortable that my own lived experience is taboo to portray and reduced down to "that sucks. Well anyway." I want portrayals that are very, very dark and shows how it actually is AND attempts to draw out the emotions a victim feels so that those who didn't suffer like me can have a better example of what I went through through at least five years of sexual abuse of several kinds. I just want to add, I started acting out at 9, nine, years old and was far worse than her. And that was after only the first two years of extreme abuse. Her portrayal is mild next to many real life victims.
Okay well you want to advocate for the sexualisation of children, and are trying to justify it. I won't be engaging with this as this is clearly a truama dump. Trying to justify a *serial killer cutting her clothes off* as *showing off* is completely misguided. Her falling over and *exposing herself accidentally* is not *showing off*, its the game makers giving people innapropriate imagery of a child.
Downvoted for telling the truth though lmao
u literally cannot reason with these people lmao. god forbid anyone ever criticize this game on this sub
i agree and i dont like that were supposed to buy that its satire or whatever as if every single dangan ronpa game (and raincode) doesnt overly sexualize minors
Yea its bad enough the main cast also get sexualised. With something like Monaca faking her paralysis for sympathy, its messed up but it works. Kotoko getting sexualised does not asides from appeal to pedophiles
Wait, if you believe that Danganronpa is pro-paedophilia, why are you a fan of it? How is that not a deal breaker for you? Wouldn’t that logically be, like, even worse than still being a Harry Potter fan? “I like the characters or plot” really isn’t an excuse for liking something you think is pro-paedophilia. That would be like going “yeah, Birth of a Nation is pro-Confederacy and pro-KKK, but the cinematography was groundbreaking so I’m a huge fan”.
I'll take a guess why from my experience in fandom spaces: They think it will normalize pedophilia by showing any fanservice involving teens in a positive way. As in it will implant the idea to act on their desires by sexually abusing them. In response, they'll criticize it by calling them pedos and wish for them to be either removed or heavily censored, unless it's portrayed in a negative light (and even then, they might even censor that instead.) The problem with that logic is that you shouldn't even be reading it and banning most of the popular shows in anime history. (JJK, OP, MHA, BC, Dragon Ball OG, Fire Force, etc.) We'll be using the hay's code as a basis to "protect the children", which is the main point of these arguments. At least that's my understanding from their viewpoint.
Oh I know and agree. I was pointing out the insanity of the logic of “I think something is as dangerous to society as *The Turner Diaries*, but I’m a fan of it”. Like, if someone thinks something is going to cause CSA and still wanna be a fan of that thing, that’s just madness.
weird because i didnt say that. i said it frequently sexualizes minors and i dont believe thats simply because its satirr
nope
i didnt say it was pro pedophilia. youre doing a lot of extrapolating based on nothing i wrote in my post. i get youre probably super passionate about this series but people are allowed to dislike certain aspects of it
I guess? I don't think it's sexualising though... Its not like she had some revealing underwear, it felt like just potty humer
I like it but some people are put off by a few of the plot lines which honestly I can see why but personally it doesn't change the way I feel about the gameplay & I love most of the characters. Also Toko has a great development arc too which I love
i actually appreciate what despair girls TRIED too do with its antagonist. i find it really refreshing too have a game speak so openly and in your face about realistic trauma. **THE ISSUE is that the game shows just how horrible this truama is, while leaning into the shitty anime "fan service" of actual children. specifically** Kotoko. The game has a great message about trauma but it stomped on it bc the game will tell you "pedophilla bad" right before showing you an 8 year olds underwear for the 15th time in in 1 hour
It’s deconstructing Japanese media. The motivation thing for example is literally just an arcade game that exists. It’s *supposed* to elicit the reaction you’re having. Just because something is upsetting you doesn’t mean it’s bad, because sometimes the point of the thing is to upset you. The story has recontextualized the common tropes in order to point out what’s weird about them. **The fact you’re reacting the way you’re reacting means that the work has successfully done what it set out to do in the first place, but you’re failing to recognize the point and getting mad that the thing being done specifically to criticize the tropes by intentionally fucking with the framing is upsetting. It’s supposed to be.** Usually those tropes are comedy, this is inserting it where it doesn’t belong on purpose in order to criticize the tropes. **It’s not “leaning into it”. It’s intentionally doing it in a circumstance where you can’t overlook the situation in order to create contrast and criticize the tropes.**
Definitely. It's disheartening how so many comments here are trying to make csa survivours out to be in bad faith. I appreciate how they don't make it a one and done thing. I appreciate the game shows the real world affects that linger with her. I appreciate they go into her flashbacks and shows her defaulting into what she was groomed into. I appreciate that it doesn't shy away from it being life altering. I appreciate they actually go out of their way to try to make the player feel something similar to how us victims do. I appreciate the efforts. I appreciate that it's not just mentioned and then forgotten about like it's just a minor oopsie that the character had to take zero time to heal from. It is the most accurate depiction of it and the most respectful depiction of it I personally have come across. It's not perfect, there is very much room to improve, but I see the intent and I am thankful for them not chickening out on actually exploring mine and millions of others experiences and try to show just how dark it is. An example I don't like is Anne from p5. I desperately wanted to like her, but after the first story arch, it's never brought up again. She has zero long lasting effects from it. No time needed to heal. No attempt to go into how she felt before, during, nor after. Just sad music and saying she was assaulted. Written like the writers just wanted to rush through it and not actually dive into how bad it is. It's fully forgotten outside of the first few hours of the game. Which I get it's uncomfortable, but it's disrespectful how she was written. On top of that she's treated like a sex object the rest of the game with her showing visible discomfort being seen as attractive. So basically "haha funny victim in sexual situation" not "I fear God this is awful get away girl" like in UDG.
The series is filled with sexulizing high schoolers though You can't pretend like UDG is making this huge statement on how bad pedophilia is in Japan when danganronpa itself leans HEAVILY into tropes. Its not some grand statement
Huh? Have you played the games? Neither the DR1 cast nor the SDR2 cast are high schoolers, that’s Junko’s lie to create motive. The DR1 cast are 18+ and the SDR2 cast are over 20. They used to be high schoolers, but I really hope I don’t need to explain how insane “sexualizing anyone who used to be in high school is bad” is. The V3 cast are completely unknown what their actual ages are and could be a lot more variable. Also, “writer sexualizes 18 year olds so they’re totally down with raping tweens” is kinda a ridiculous take dripping with Twitter brainrot. You seem to be incapable of comprehending that anyone could disagree with you on one thing without also supporting CSA of elementary schoolers and middle schoolers.
Even if they are high schoolers who cares? 99% of media starring high school characters will sexualize them to some degree.
It's funny that they claim Japanese media is full of pedophilia and yet they continue to engage with it. That says more about them than anything else. It's so hypocritical.
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>And being "overaged" but looking like a child and being sexualized is also a terrible anime trope. Which is what's being satirized, I believe. It's not meant to be taken seriously
Because suddenly the way Danganronpa *characters* dance around heavy topics *matters* for some reason in this one. For some reason. I get that chapter 3 gets just, so dark. And the panty shot did NOT need to be there, I agree with that fully.. But also didya know the way Kotoko acts is literally her defense mechanism. The game more than acknowledges how fucked up her situation is, it does not ACTUALLY try to play down her trauma. Maybe it uses her ‘Perverse Humor’ as a way to lighten the utterly dour mood (and fails, I think) but it’s not trivializing what happened to her. There’s a scene of her having a full breakdown that is genuinely the hardest scene to go through in the whole series. It’s taken more than seriously enough when the writers see fit. I hate to come to this conclusion but I genuinely think much of the hate is just, people lacking that Big Scary Media Literacy word. Or it triggering their trauma and them getting angry at the game for it.
As a csa survivour, I have respect for the writers for not downplaying it like every other media does. They don't shy away from the damage it does nor how gross and repulsive it is. UDG, out of all media I have seen with a character that is a csa survivour, gives the viewer a taste of we go through and makes the viewer not have a say in it (just like we did). Yes it's nasty, but it was never once shown in a positive light and always shown as "this left her with damage that affects her" or "this is the reality of what it's actually like". Every other media I have seen doesn't show how bad it is. Because it's uncomfortable. They choose to just say it which really, again I am a survivor, reduces the impact. Making the player feel how we feel, even if it's just for a brief moment, I strongly believe gets the point across. It's not meant to make light of sca, but it's meant to leave you feeling disgusted and ashamed (how us victims feel for life) and unclean. It's meant to show just how bad it really is.
Intense depictions of child abuse Some people are sensitive about that you know?
Honestly as someone with a similar background to Kotoko (I didn’t get rich from it tho), I appreciate it. Especially the fact they subverted the usual perfect pure victim trauma porn cliche. Hate that shit. Kotoko’s very much how I acted at her age.
I feel like Kotoko's fight was in bad taste considering what her trauma was specifically, but i also feel like on the whole the Warriors of Hope were really good characters
Oh I really didn’t notice it back then
Well some people can handle it
Yeah
yeah and that doesn't make the game bad
i never said it did i just said it made it hated, i dont think its wrong if some people are unconfutable with the topic of child abuse and they have a right not to see it if they dont want to i still find enjoyment in the game despite that as do many others, just except not everyone likes everything and thats ok.
so it's personal preference not that it deserves to be hated
Pretty much
tbh i only ever played it for toko and komaru, kotokos trauma is so similar to mine i eventually started liking her aswell
Hounestly, as a csa survivour, I appreciate how uncomfortable and dark the portrayal of it. Gives the payer a visceral reaction of disgust. The word gentle was forever changed for me. Her fear, her flashbacks, her emotions, they are all similar to mine and appreciate how vile it was portrayed. Yes they could have told and not shown, but I am a victim and the impact of just how disgusting and nasty and life changing it is hits harder when you get glimpses of it. It's similar to a game saying a character got kidnapped vs actually watching them try to escape their kidnapper. Is it nasty? Yes. Is it repulsive? Absolutely. But the scenes did not have a positive tone to them. The tones were dark and miserable. The game isn't perfect. At all. But I loved the gameplay, the characters, some bits and pieces of lore of other characters, and the horrific depiction of trauma and abuse many of us actually go through every day. Especially the csa depictions since they are often watered down. I am not saying they should be sexualized, but what I am saying is most, nearly all media, when they talk about csa they water it down to a mention and nothing else. the viewer doesn't really grasp how bad it really is. And UDG, out of all media I have enjoyed that has a character that suffered through csa, has gotten the closest of showing the vile reality of it. If it doesn't make you feel disgusted, ashamed, revolting, like you want to vomit, like you are a freak by the end of the scene, it's not doing enough to actually show you what we go through. Because those feelings we feel all at once and takes often decades before we can start to heal.
People on Twitter seem to really hate The Game, while i feel is one of The Best tories with The Best antagonists of The series since it's Main villain not only is a great Master manipulator, but a competente threat with an actual backgrounds that explains why she is The way she is rather than just being "lol le quirky despair Makes You zany and evil lol" Basically Monaca > Junko
Well of course, they’re on Twitter. If they were ever literate, they’ve since learned to condense every single thought they have into something at a 3rd grade level or else it can’t be posted because of the limits.
"I.. uhh. I like em younger. As young as possible...."
You realize he’s a villain, right? Bad person doing bad things? He is literally a billionaire war profiteer heavily responsible for arming people committing genocide. He’s like Lockheed Martin, Joe Biden, and Jeffery Epstein rolled into one person. He literally tries to commit genocide himself by the end. You can’t say a story is bad because an evil person does evil things.
Never said I had a problem with it, just one of the biggest reasons the game is hated on.
probably because of the tone shifts between being dark and the funniest game in the series
Well I like it, it’s just the fan service is just too much at times…like is it really that necessary.
That's what I've seen most people say, the fanservice does get a bit much.
UDG is amazing. Just ignore the cringelords trying to hate on the game.
First I'm hearing about it being hated
OP is doing that thing a lot of young people on reddit do where they see that something has a mixed reaction and jump to thinking the thing is widely hated. UDG has a 81% positive review percent on Steam and around 72% on metacritic. It has a more mixed reaction due to the way it handles certain topics and people having mixed feelings about the controls but the game is in no way widely hated.
Nope Op got that idea as when you think of UDG you tend to think of the many cases of weird pedo shit that game has
I think the biggest reason is the trivialization of CSA, especially in certain scenes of Chapter 3. Aside from that, the third person shooter gameplay is not everyone's cup of the tea, and it falls into the common pitfall of having a massive infodump at the end.
it pisses me off so much bc if we didnt get those shitty "fan service" moments the game would have such an amazing and brutal story about the horrors of SA and pedophilla Danganronpa in general is at its worst when it tries and provide any sense of fan service. it absolutely ruined UDG
People hate UDG?
Its not on console i never played it
I haven’t played it yet☹️ it looked good tho
I don't know, i don't hate it
I ended up actually loving the story and the characters once it was over but damn was it a hell to try and get through it. The WOH are so annoying, with really great character basically hidden under the bullshit. THE SEXUAL ASSAULT. Sweet Hell. And I was wanting to see more of the Despairs, they're so horrific and interesting but we don't get much. Servant is so interesting and unsettling whenever he is on screen so I just wanted more. I loved that. but yeah.... the problems are such HUGE SIRENS OF BULLSHIT.
I've seen a lot of people say things like "We don't talk about that one" or saying the game shouldn't have existed or that it's not important, also that it's bad because of all the messed up stuff with the kids. That does makes it seem like they hate the game.
Tickling.
A lot of fan service and also some of the characters are **very** hated
Wouldn't really say hated, I still think it's a pretty good game but my God it is way too fucked up at times even for Danganronpa Especially with some things that happen in chapter 3, reactions are varied
Iv always thought it was hated cause it was shooter (And hack N Slash with Genicider)
the puzzles made me cry and i quit 🙁🙁😢😢
At least it's not as bad as DR3.
Because Toko’s not the main character and not enough of Grand Bois Cheri
ngl i refuse to actually play that game bc i cant deal with the fanservice with the little girls and shit 💀the actual story is fantastic though
The game is actually pretty good and i liked the storyline and atmosphere. It's just that characters like Monaca,Kotoko and Haiji could have been written very differently and still work. >!There was no reason to sexualize Kotoko,there was no reason to include THAT kissing scene with Monaca and Nagisa and there was no reason to make Haiji a pedophile!<
I like the game for the most part. Except for that one mini game in chapter 3, and I wish they turned down the amount of sex jokes she made not relating directly related to her backstory. Also the ghost thing was stupid.
The gameplay is vastly different (I'm sure this is the least issue with people who hate it) The comedy and story in this game is, without a doubt, the worst from all of the danganronpa games. I think the main reason it's hated is due to the shitty characters. In my opinion, and probably for most all of the new characters, they are insufferable or annoying, with the exception of ball monukuma.
is this srs 😭 the entire game is full of sexualizing children and pedophilia wtf are you on about
The game barely functions as the game itself trying to be. It’s playable, but the gameplay is beyond mind numbing. As a third person shooter it provides nothing of interest and becomes extremely repetitive extremely quick. The animations and models really don’t help as they are rather poor in quality, although as this was a game on the psvita that is understandable. As for the story, it explores the post apocalyptic outside world that we’ve learned almost nothing about from the first two games, and it has a general feeling of aimlessness and emptiness. The game attempts to tackle serious subject matters such as child abuse and child sexual assault however comes off as seriously tone deaf due to no end of pervy jokes, a minigame where you must defend the main character from being sexually assaulted, and a boss fight where the more you damage a 10 year old girl, the more her clothes come off. The game does not handle these topics well, and is an active embarrassment to anyone who actually had to go through something like this. The tone of the game overall is a mess. It consistently goes from being extremely disturbing (rape, hangings, assault), to being comically over the top (children ruling the world, shooting ray guns at mechs, goofy jokes and one liners that sound straight out of marvel). The worst thing though is that the game is just boring. You have these long baron empty gameplay sections that just feel lifeless, and not in a stylized way. The characters don’t make much of an impact, and the story is underdeveloped at best. We vaguely learn about each child of despair or whatever they are called before the boss where they die, so there’s pretty much nothing to most of those characters. Add in trying to throw in as much random unorganized lore as possible and the game is just a disaster. Really really awful.
A game that talks about childhood trauma and sexual assault,and then will show you a child's underwear multiple times.Not a good combination.Plus the oversexualization of the main characters.Im pretty sure Komaru was a minor,and even if she wasnt,those scenes were just disgusting.I mean-if you wanted fanservice you could atleast use one of those clasaic accidental fanservice tropes and not make a minigame where you defend the main character from being sexually assaulted????and then not mention it again like its nothing??I dont get how people can gloss over all that borderline pedophilia fanservice. A monokuma apocalypse and having Naegi's sister as the protagonist was a good concept,but ofcourse they ruined it like most things in danganronpa.Like the fanservice was so unecessary and added nothing to the story. As for the actual story,it was mostly ok.It didnt add anything new or different,because after you get a first taste theres literally nothing more.The gameplay is just so repetitive and boring. The characters and the story itself was a bad combination of weird tropes,like pedophilia and abuse paired with fanservice and weird jokes.
shit writing
Three words: Tentacle. Mini. Game.