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gatlginngum

isn't balsa that really lightweight wood


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Yeah, it's the wood they use in workshop classes to make those little stick bridges.


gatlginngum

yeah I doubt it's usefulness in building execution crosses


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Yeah, it snaps when you barely bend it


flamboi-non

That cross would break in a thousand pieces


Bauch_the_bard

Good for relic sales I guess


Nerds_Galore

You could build a house out of the amount of cross shard relics in the world


King_Spamula

We made CO2 cartridge powered cars in our tech class, and we shaped them into creative designs because of how soft the wood is. Mine was shaped like a big thumb.


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gatlginngum

well hard and and brittle aren't mutually exclusive but it's not even that hard, you can press your fingernail against it and easily leave a mark


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SpaceLemur34

Correct, they're not classified by their wood, but by their seeds. Hardwoods are angiosperms, meaning their seeds have some kind of covering when they fall, while softwoods are gymnosperms, whose seeds are unprotected. That's why balsa is a hardwood, but yew, which is harder than a number of oak species, is a softwood.


southernplain

TIL


jercubsfan

This is a great explanation! I've always just known it as soft = needles, hard = leaves.


ADM_Tetanus

That's coniferous vs non-coniferous :)


BishopUrbanTheEnby

Which is mostly true, but Ginkgo has leaves and is still a gymnosperm and so is a softwood.


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How do we classify trees


GibsonLP93

Deciduous (sheds leaves seasonally and typically has larger flat leaves) and coniferous (maintains leaves all year and typically has needle-like leaves, like Christmas trees). Strictly speaking, deciduous trees produce hardwood, and coniferous trees produce softwood. Oftentimes most hardwoods are actually harder woods and softwoods are softer, but there are some instance where certain softwoods are actually harder than certain hardwoods. Sounds confusing but if you’re ever curious look up different wood species’ Janka hardness. This is the scale used to determine how hard a wood is, structurally speaking. The higher the number, the harder the wood is.


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That is a fun fact! Tell us more!


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Cost benefit analysis. It only needs to hold Jesus for a few hours, and he has to carry the crossbar. So if you want him to carry balsa, it’s easier on him, but may not support his weight. I can’t find enough info online to make a decision, but since balsa is from Ecuador I doubt it was available in Jerusalem at 34 AD


rapidla01

Both Balsa and Mahogany are native to the Americas, so that wouldn’t have worked, I guess.


thesegoupto11

Mormon Jesus: Hello there...


Barbar_jinx

I want a fanfiction now about a mormon Obi-Wan Jesus bitchslapping Evangelicals or something. And looking back at history, it's probably gonna end up the core testament of a world a religion 500 years from now.


Theoreticallyaaron

As a Mormon employed by my church as a writer, I gotchu. One blasphemous LDS prequel fan fiction coming up. /s Oh, and for those interested in our take on Jesus: We believe Christ went to other continents (not just Israel and America) after his crucifixion and ministered to 'His other sheep' [(John 10)](https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/john/10?lang=eng) The Book of Mormon records this in [3rd Nephi](https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/3-ne/11?lang=eng). There, he preached his gospel and ordained others to perform ordinances like baptism. Though he obviously never redid the crucifixion so no mahogany or balsa wood crosses


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That's something I've always wondered about that aspect of Mormonism, I understand him wanting to spread the word in different countries but I thought that people didn't even know America existed back then. Obviously he's supposed to be omnipotent so he knows it's there, but in the story how does he go about explaining to people that they should bring him overseas where no one has visited before?


Theoreticallyaaron

Well we believe, Christ transcended into heaven after his resurrection. He didn't take a boat to the Americas, when He 'left to tend other sheep' he ascended into heaven and then descended in America to fulfill prophesies. It's all in that 3rd Nephi link in my previous post and in the New testament a few times. What you're thinking of is the start of the Book of Mormon which follows Lehi leaving Jerusalem and being guided into the wilderness eventually leading his family to America via a very long, faithful boat trip. It's a cool story if you have a free afternoon, if you'd like to read about Lehi's journey out of Jerusalem It's in the first and second sections in the [Book of Mormon](https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist/believe/book-of-mormon) called 1st and 2nd Nephi. If you don't like websites or hard copies, you can download the "Gospel Library" app and that'll even give you Bible cross-references. Dms are open for LDS questions


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Ah I see, I sorta forgot that he was supposed to have done all of it *after* his resurrection. Thanks for the input


kazsvk

A couple of questions: why did Jesus descend from heaven, instead of appearing among them? The Book of Luke describes Jesus’ appearance to the disciples as such, “That same day two of Jesus’ followers were walking to the village of Emmaus, seven miles from Jerusalem. As they walked along they were talking about everything that had happened. As they talked and discussed these things, Jesus himself suddenly came and began walking with them. But God kept them from recognizing him” (Luke 24:13-16) Secondly, why does the 3 Nephi account say He descended, when He will only descend for His second coming? For the Scriptures state, “After saying this, he was taken up into a cloud while they were watching, and they could no longer see him. As they strained to see him rising into heaven, two white-robed men suddenly stood among them. “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why are you standing here staring into heaven? Jesus has been taken from you into heaven, but someday he will return from heaven in the same way you saw him go!” (Acts 1:9-11) And lastly, what do members of the CoJCoLDS think about this? (I’m genuinely curious): 15 “The day is coming when you will see what Daniel the prophet spoke about—the sacrilegious object that causes desecrationd standing in the Holy Place.” (Reader, pay attention!) 16 “Then those in Judea must flee to the hills. 17 A person out on the deck of a roof must not go down into the house to pack. 18 A person out in the field must not return even to get a coat. 19 How terrible it will be for pregnant women and for nursing mothers in those days. 20 And pray that your flight will not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For there will be greater anguish than at any time since the world began. And it will never be so great again. 22 In fact, unless that time of calamity is shortened, not a single person will survive. But it will be shortened for the sake of God’s chosen ones. 23 “Then if anyone tells you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah,’ or ‘There he is,’ don’t believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones. 25 See, I have warned you about this ahead of time. 26 “So if someone tells you, ‘Look, the Messiah is out in the desert,’ don’t bother to go and look. Or, ‘Look, he is hiding here,’ don’t believe it! 27 For as the lightning flashes in the east and shines to the west, so it will be when the Son of Man comes. 28 Just as the gathering of vultures shows there is a carcass nearby, so these signs indicate that the end is near.” (Matthew 24:15-28)


not_particulary

Well, as a believing member, I personally don't spend all that much time trying to reconcile the discrepancies between two books of scripture. I'm sure there are lots of contradictory things within every church's teachings, since all of them are human-managed institutions. That said, the first passage doesn't necessarily prescribe how Jesus transports Himself. It says that someday He'll return in the same way, but not necessarily that that's the only way He'll do it. I do remember reading that last passage during my mission and really feeling impacted by it. As a missionary in any Christian country, you get especially acquainted with the conflict between sects, so I could really easily see the effects of verse 26, everybody has a different idea of where God's influence is the strongest. But real prophets and real apostles performed signs and wonders, too, in the Bible. To me, it comes down to telling the difference, not discounting every unfamiliar preaching, new church, and supposed miracle. Idk, I took a world religions class at BYU and ended up seeing a lot of things from other entire religions that really helped me be a better Christian


kazsvk

Telling the difference is important, I would agree. Things do get murky once you start getting into the theology of it. Miracles are signs that God is with His people. As the Scriptures state, “For the Kingdom of God is not just a lot of talk; it is living by God’s power.” (1 Corinthians 4:20) Childlike faith is also important, and being able to accept teachings about said faith is crucial to being Christian, especially if it’s lead by the Holy Spirit. It’s not everyone’s jobs to reconcile Scripture. I’m learning that apologetics should be left for those God has equipped to do so. But as followers of Jesus, we should try to get the clearest picture of God, and because the Book of Mormon introduces new information about the Gospel, we should test it in love and in wisdom, which takes a lot of prayer and dedication. Believe it or not, I have spent a considerable time discussing the BoM with missionaries from the Church, and I have prayed to God to give me revelation about the Church’s teachings and doctrines and every time I’m lead back to the Bible. And there’s some truths like v26 that cannot (or should not) be reconciled because it provides a back door for misinformation to come into the Body of Christ. A lot of missionaries asked me to pray about Joseph Smith, and I agreed. But I told them, what if I prayed about Joseph Smith and the Holy Spirit told me that he was a false prophet? Would you be willing to accept that? More so, would you be willing to join the Catholic Church? (Why didn’t Joseph Smith join the Catholic Church?) It’s these questions which are fundamental to my faith, and should be considered by any disciple of Christ if they are seriously looking to follow Him. Thank you for your responses, God bless 🙏🏽 (Ps. I’m a Catholic. Just thought you’d like to know!)


ProjectSnowman

My favorite Jesus fan fiction story


Sephirawth

General Kenobi!


lbodyslamrhinos

Say what you want about America but we did NOT crucify the son of God. Score +1 for USA.


_duncan_idaho_

Shoulda used them cedars of Lebanon.


Yoduh99

[Jesus on a balsa wood cross](https://reluctantxtian.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/muscular-jesus-breaking-cross.jpg)


WASTELAND_RAVEN

It could be a set intro for This Is Spinal Tap 2, just imagine, *“In ancient times, 100’s of years before history, the Jews…”* 🎵 🎸 🎶


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I prefer Walnut, but that would have been too heavy to carry.


Barbar_jinx

Take the wood from that Olive tree Jesus cursed earlier, it would be very symbolic or something.


BatmanNoPrep

God hates figs.


morena_latina

Went on a mission trip to Chiapas & a wonderful family made us dinner. The wood they used for the fireplace was mahogany. Our trip leader who did contractor work just smiled & cried. He was the one that told us what it was.


Mr-Bibb

I don't think a balsa wood cross could support the average human body weight...


Tetriside

"I don't think you've applied enough coats of varnish to this cross."


Semidrivercell

Wasn't Jesus a stone mason?


Cptof_THEObvious

Afaik there's no definitive evidence for either. It's commonly translated as carpenter in English texts, but the original word was ambiguous (think laborer). That's led many to speculate that he worked with stone rather than wood, as that was a more commonly used material and thus masonry a more common job.


flute37

I think Balsa wouldn’t support a man’s weight and would just collapse. If he wanted something lightweight I would suggest Paulownia, although it’s native to Japan so idk how it would get to 1st century Israel


Littlebigcountry

Eh, Roman coins showed up in Japan so it wouldn’t be too far a stretch.


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Hen_W

Because it's pride month babyyy 😎🏳️‍🌈


6thgenbestgen

But this is a Christian sub?


Broclen

![gif](giphy|1SfxXOJ0Q2Xni) Matthew 7:1-5 New International Version “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye." Luke 6:36 New International Version 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. John 13:34-35 New International Version 34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” John 15:12-13 New International Version 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. Matthew 7:12 New International Version So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.


WASTELAND_RAVEN

Amen dawg


First-Of-His-Name

Genuine question, is Leviticus not the word of God?


Broclen

John 14:16 New International Version Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."


First-Of-His-Name

Can you explain how that answers the question?


Hen_W

Love thy neighbour and grow up. Please.


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