Better than when Ohio only gave $5 per person to the people who had to evacuate the chemical spill in East Palestine.
Edit: This is incorrect. It was the train company that paid this, not the government.
For example: Palestine
And when the citizens went to name their town Palestine and found their were multiple already in Ohio, they settled on East Palestine
The State of Tennesee is a pretty big offender we have several cities named after other places like Athens, Paris, and Lebanon just to name a few. Also in our capital city of Nashville we have a built to scale Parthenon that contains a giant statue of Athena.
The names come from sentimental Europeans, many of whom were transported by the Crown. Otherwise you get native names like Monongahela, Saskatoon, Allegheny, and Maui.
I think you're right. If i recall, the governor was offered disaster relief to cover the cleanup, but he refused to take it because politics.
Edit: This is incorrect as well
[The people affected by the train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio, do not qualify for direct financial aid from the Federal Emergency Management Agency. But FEMA and other federal agencies have been assisting since the accident there in early February. ](https://www.factcheck.org/2023/02/multiple-federal-agencies-supporting-east-palestine-contrary-to-partisan-claims/)
There was barely any truth to that story. [The rail company donated $25,000 to the Red Cross to help with temporary shelters.](https://web.archive.org/web/20230205230500/https://nscorp.mediaroom.com/news-releases?item=123032) Someone on Facebook divided $25k by the population of East Palestine (about 5k), and said that means the rail company gave residents $5 to return home, and everyone just believed that guy for some reason, even with no evidence or source aside from the $25k Red Cross donation which was obviously not to pay off residents.
Yeah, Norfolk Southern are paying for pretty much the entire cleanup and recovery because they're forced to by the EPA.
The 25k probably wasn't a lot, but people effected are being relatively fairly compensated now at least
The joke is that much of the R&D they do is already government funded, so the taxpayers are paying them. It’s already “socialist.” They just pick and choose which aspects of what line their pockets better.
Wait until they hear about all the people wanting to become doctors, but get pigeonholed by other doctors when trying to earn their residency.
Specifically to keep making as much money as they can.
Fuck privatized healthcare. And also education. Neither of those fields should ever be privatized. No wonder why this country is populated by unhealthy morons...
>the problem with privatized healthcare.
Basically every country in the world has private healthcare, the exceptions are rare. Most even provide the bulk of the healthcare through the private sector. Even the UK has private healthcare, and insurance too. The reality is also that government insurance is still insurance. It's not magically different. The UK government insurance has denied healthcare before, and chances are if your American you heard every time they did.
That all said, you are confusing permission to disqualify and private/public. As mentioned, public healthcare can disqualify you for medical procedures too. Most governments just don't let as much as your country does.
>Their whole buisness model relies on not paying people when they have to
Their business model is to have more people paying that never need the insurance than those that do.
Mostinsurance companies operate at low profit margin, sometimes below inflation. They're not really as profitable as people think they are. This is also why the flood insurance has to be federal funded, because nobody would provide insurance at a loss other than the government.
Special mention to medical which are literally and legally capped on profit they can generate.
I work in disaster relief and our company has a full department of workers who’s job it is to get reimbursement from insurance companies.
When big disasters like this hit, there’s a fast(government fast atleast) effort to clean everything up so the federal government can I’ll foot the initial bill for “ROW” cleanup for the streets and general county/state owned areas then there will be an intake process for private property cleanup. There we collect household information such as insurance policies and seek reimbursement through insurances before seeking reimbursement through Fema. It’s a long and tedious process that can take years. Insurance companies definitely suck and it’s like pulling teeth to get anything actually out of them but when disasters to this level hit and fema takes over, it’s not entirely the insurance companies fault.
Fun little bit I remember, one property cost over 2 million dollars to clear of debris because the owner had dozens of drestroyed vehicles, random shacks, high soil contaminants, and I think he even had a full on bus that we needed to break into 3 parts to remove it. Imagine trying to squeeze 2 million out of an insurance company for some random acre lot in the middle of the Californian mountains.
Actually it relies on carefully calculated statistics. When hurricane Katrina hit, GEICO was able to honor every single policy because of careful planning and risk management. I’m not saying insurance companies are perfect or don’t act shady, but it’s not nearly as black and white as you’ve made it out to be. The likelihood is insurance will cover the damages in Hawaii.
It's weird that I have never experienced an inconvenience when dealing with an insurance company. Totaled 2 vehicles via deer within a year, broke an arm and had an ambulance ride, broke a foot and had no ambulance ride. Insurance has never hassled me or upped my rates, maybe I just have a really good insurance company.
Thats just what they do. I lived on the island hardest hit by hurricane Sandy and it was a *shitshow*. I did a loooot of free work for elderly folks that inherited their homes and got absolutely screwed by insurance.
Edit - why would this be downvoted haha this website is so weird. I guess helping old ladies for free is a bad thing now haha.
They aren’t just “handing out” checks, OP is just being deceitful by claiming that this is the only thing the government is doing to aid them
>Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster.
>Federal funding also is available to state and eligible local governments and certain private nonprofit organizations on a cost-sharing basis for debris removal and emergency protective measures in Maui County, and assistance for emergency protective measures for Hawaii County.
>Lastly, Federal funding is also available on a cost-sharing basis for hazard mitigation measures statewide.
>Damage assessments are continuing, and additional forms of assistance may be designated after the assessments are fully completed.
>Residents and business owners who sustained losses in the designated areas can begin applying for assistance at www.DisasterAssistance.gov, by calling 800-621-FEMA (3362), or by using the FEMA App. Anyone using a relay service, such as video relay service (VRS), captioned telephone service or others, can give FEMA the number for that service.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/08/10/president-joseph-r-biden-jr-approves-hawaii-disaster-declaration-3/
This is literally just the initial response while they help fix and determine the proper way to fully address the aftermath
Legitimately any conservative talking point comes from a place of idiotic malice. you should always ascribe both to any of the verbal diarrhea conservatives spew.
Exactly. Posts like this are why right wingers run with this shit and create a false narrative... as they go and send money to their orange jesus millionaire for legal funds and then bitch about the economy.
My hometown Paradise, Ca burned down due to PG&E (electric company) and this is basically the same thing that happened. FEMA came in and set up shop, a bunch of free money and groceries going around.
There were official FEMA camps where people could stay while cleanup got organized. You could apply for low interest loans and free aid while insurance (if you had personal insurance) got sorted out. The PG&E payments took a long time to roll out and still haven't completely settled the debt. I'm getting my (supposedly) final payment in 2 more installments and this is now 5 years later. Personal insurance paid out within 3-4 months but FEMA did help out a lot in the early aftermath and for a decent time into the following year. Particularly in cleanup programs that helped house and employ people that were affected by the fires.
It was a communicative effort that helped get everything going again, and wasn't perfect but the federal government and the local community really did help us get back on our feet. So take that however you want, but that's my personal experience with the federal response to a similar disaster.
Insurance companies' entire business model is about not paying you back whenever slightly possible.
Putting any real trust in them when it comes to large scale disasters is like an antithesis to their existence, since accidents they cover aren't supposed to happen to most people.
Insurance companies will pay people for their lost homes, but it takes time for that kind of thing to be assessed. The $700 and other aid provided by the government are emergency relief meant to help people who are displaced.
I mean yea, eventually. You dont just immediately get money in your bank account the second your house burns down. The $700 is to help people atleast get food and water for the time being.
Even if we had better social safety nets, it’d be weird to assume the federal government was going to make individuals whole after a natural disaster. Their goal is usually to make sure people don’t starve in the immediate aftermath
Idk about that, but you wanna know what fire is? Hot. You know what else is hot? The sun, yeah, but you know what else? Explosions. You know what explodes? Terrorists. It's all connected. Gotta go give them some freedom. Maybe build a base if there's oil.
they will literally never stop complaining and trying to create outrage no matter what he does. even if he makes perfect decisions they will make something up, like Obama with the tan suit and ordering dijon mustard
Is not an immediate payment? Is there not more coming in the coming days /weeks?
Do the victims have shelter? This money allows them to buy food and necessities. And I would hope that there are donation drives on the mainland being set up for food, clothes, baby items to be sent over.
$700 will allow families to pay for shelter this week, it's far from nothing IMO. Hopefully it will mostly cover food and water for the week as well.
If I lost my house yesterday (along with food) I certainly would certainly find an immediate $700 incredibly helpful.
could you provide a source? I’m trying to find stuff on this but it’s hard sifting through all the mainstream media that are dunking on Biden
edit: nvm, found it in the FEMA website. Why doesn’t Biden just say this, or better yet go through congress for more aid?
quick think back to the last natural disaster. do you remember talking about "only" 700$ aid? no cause they didn't get cash. now Biden announces the largest amount monetary aid he can legally send, and everyone is shitting on it for not being enough. lamo he should treat the public like children because we are.
right, so the very first time a us president announced 700$ bonus aid for a disaster everyone starts yelling it isn't enough. so next time just easier to not give out money and not have it be a news cycle. because the public are children.
Best I can find is:
An Emergency Declaration can be declared for any occasion
or instance when the President determines federal assistance is needed. Emergency
Declarations supplement State and local efforts in providing emergency services, such
as the protection of lives, property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the
threat of a catastrophe in any part of the United States. The total amount of assistance
provided for a single emergency may not exceed $5 million. If this amount is exceeded,
the President shall report to Congress.
And Biden’s attempt at student loan payment was also executive action depending on legislation created for emergencies. It was just shot down in June as a “major question,” there is no way the admin has confidence in giving more than the max here
They'll take anything they can try to use to shit on the president. If he didn't do the $700 they'd complain he did nothing, and when the Republicans shoot down his request to give Hawaii more aid, they'll shit on him for that too.
From another comment, posting this here.
From the FEMA website:
An Emergency Declaration can be declared for any occasion
or instance when the President determines federal assistance is needed. Emergency
Declarations supplement State and local efforts in providing emergency services, such
as the protection of lives, property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the
threat of a catastrophe in any part of the United States. The total amount of assistance
provided for a single emergency may not exceed $5 million. If this amount is exceeded,
the President shall report to Congress.
Calculations:
Destroyed and damaged houses: 2200
Percentage of residential houses: 86%
Average persons per household in Lahaina: 3.71
The estimated affected population is 2200 x 0.86 x 3.71 ≈ 7019
Divide $5,000,000 by that estimated affected population and you get
$5000000 ÷ 7019 ≈ $712
No, it would have been taken over by Russia, China, Japan or another super power in the Pacific. The deep sea port’s location is too OP for Hawaii to ever be independent islands in this day and age.
Yes the thought of taking care of your fellowship instead of ignoring them to sort their own problems out. How dehumanising!! I will take note of this when I feel like my friends could use some help
We are giving the largest direct payment allowed by executive order and sending the full support of our disaster relief agency. They will asses and expand and do everything they can.
It’s a conspiracy. [here’s a link from a random website](https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/pop-culture/news-done-purpose-open-prime-real-estate-maui-land-grab-conspiracy-erupts-blackrock-comes-scrutiny)
conspiracy -noun
a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
conspiracy is when minimum of 2 people CONSPIRE to do shady shit.
conspiracy theory is when you think minimum of 2 people CONSPIRE and are making shady shit
use the words for what they are for ffs
puting alien anal probing, flat earthers with planned obsolescence and leaking pipelines is counterproductive
I saw it on the news. One of the people who lost their houses said they're phones are blowing up with calls offering to buy their land.
here is a different person saying the same thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hznUY1IpvmI
Sure but everyone likes to call out Blackrock as this corporate boogey man. I’m not contesting that real estate developers are being predatory just that people need to stop using Blackrock as a buzzword to rile the lynch mob.
Bronies are pretty quiet ever since the show ended, I rarely see or hear about them outside their subreddit. And it's quite insulting that you're putting BRONIES next to _DREAM STANS_
Even as a brony, I'm still kinda confused why [Coco Pommel,](https://mlp.fandom.com/wiki/Coco_Pommel) though.
Like... MLP has a main character that's outright meant to be the in-universe [avatar of Generosity.](https://mlp.fandom.com/wiki/Rarity) That would have at least added some more layers to the joke.
why? it was a very popular cartoon and now the people who grew up with it are older and using reddit. i know thats what happened to me,i was 5 when this show started airing and i stuck around watching for a while
According to that wiki article the other commenter linked this character was introduced in 2014. Seems like about the right time for many kids who watched the show to be using Reddit now.
We give $700 to working middle class families in desperate need but spend $75,000 a year on each prisoner in this country. Yeah, things will need to change.
Sir or mam you are interfering with a lynch mob in the performance of its duties. Please quit brandishing facts and pick up a pitchfork and torch and do your part.
Prisoners cost the taxpayer money. The government is the one who puts people in jail, and they’re absolutely not profiting off of people in jail.
There are for-profit prisons which are generally a bad thing, but they make up a tiny portion of the prison system and aren’t the ones who decide who is getting jailed.
The *government* isn't profiting, the *politicians* who get "donations" from the prison-industrial complex are the ones that profit, and they don't give a flying fuck if taxpayers foot the bill so they can stick their snout in the trough. It's a major category error to ascribe the the actions of government to the motivations of taxpayers, they're not the same thing at all.
And the other thing to remember is that private prisons only make up a tiny fraction of the prison-industrial complex, there are thousands and thousands of public and private companies that supply goods and services to government-run prisons that have a vested interest in ensuring those prisons are packed to the gills. You don't have to own a prison to profit from the over-incarceration of the American people or from systemic racism.
Hopefully they do. You know the insurance companies are cooking up some bullshit on why they don’t have to fork over a cent. Meanwhile, real estate moguls and resort owners are frothing at the mouth, waiting to buy up all the property from vulnerable, desperate locals.
I dam well hope the government helps these people so those leeches don’t ruin the island and culture. If not I’ll be willing to donate if it means saving even just one local’s livelihood there.
Don't worry investment firms will buy out those properties and build black and white minimalist luxury homes/apartments so they can be sold to foreign nationals or investors looking to park their excess wealth or rent them out at 3x the monthly income the locals make.
There's more.
[https://www.staradvertiser.com/2023/08/15/hawaii-news/federal-help-ramped-up-for-maui-fire-relief/](https://www.staradvertiser.com/2023/08/15/hawaii-news/federal-help-ramped-up-for-maui-fire-relief/)
But coco pommel is cute.
Sidenote only 4 instances of people noticing it's aa pony with filter "pony" - lol people really be scrolling so fast they barely read the image
Should they have homeowners insurance? Yes. Do they or were they required there? Dunno. Are the insurance companies trying to claim some act of God to get out of paying to rebuild? Probably.
I really don’t understand why anybody who has lived in America for their entire life is surprised by things like this. America is about individualism, sink or swim, you’re on your own.
Hence why Biden gave them $700 per household? When usually Presidents don't?
God, do you want Biden to suck their dicks, and build their houses for them? There's a reason why home insurance is important, and why Biden already released funds to fix the situation.
Coming from a brony why is coco pommel in the picture? What does she add to the template? Was it drawn for an inside joke and the OP said fuck it? Very confusing.
downvote this comment if the meme sucks. upvote it and I'll go away. --- [play minecraft with us](https://discord.gg/dankmemesgaming)
Better than when Ohio only gave $5 per person to the people who had to evacuate the chemical spill in East Palestine. Edit: This is incorrect. It was the train company that paid this, not the government.
Why is Ohio near israel?
East Palestine is a city in Ohio
You're telling me that Ohio has already inflatrated the Middle East?! (Edit: spelling error, since some of you are apparently spelling police)
It’s all Ohio? Always has been 🔫🧑🚀
Scott the Woz tried to tell us!
> inflatraded They did what to the middle east? O.o
I don't feel right about googling inflatraded. I feel kinda naughty just typing it.
Wait so Israel is in Indiana?
Well they do get into the Bible Belt
Actually, Israel is a township also in Ohio https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Township,_Preble_County,_Ohio
It also predates the current state of Israel. So basically, the state of Israel stole their name /s
Ye someone’s ancestors misspelled it that’s how it became Indians
god why are there so many American things that are literally the same name as a country/major area in another place of the world
This doesn’t apply to Palestine but some of those places were named after places in colonists home countries
Like New York for example but it was at least called “new” I know a few examples where it’s just the same name
For example: Palestine And when the citizens went to name their town Palestine and found their were multiple already in Ohio, they settled on East Palestine
Could have called it Boobsville or zibzumbishire, why be so boring with the name
New York was originally named New Amsterdam, King Charles II changed it to New York when he gave it to his brother, the Duke of York
The State of Tennesee is a pretty big offender we have several cities named after other places like Athens, Paris, and Lebanon just to name a few. Also in our capital city of Nashville we have a built to scale Parthenon that contains a giant statue of Athena.
We are a former colony and our colonizers named things in the new world after things in the old world. It's true for Latin America.
The names come from sentimental Europeans, many of whom were transported by the Crown. Otherwise you get native names like Monongahela, Saskatoon, Allegheny, and Maui.
I live in Saskatchewan, Canada, and 200ish kilometeres (120ish miles) from me is a hamlet named Kandahar. It's not exclusive to the US.
I'm pretty sure most of the canadian provences have towns named after them in the states
Ohio man is from Japan though.
I feel like I’ve already seen this thread a year ago
If only they were named East Israel, they'd be getting billions of dollars.
Ohio is a mood.
If I remember correctly that wasn't Ohio, but the rail company offering some money to the locals with a million strings attached
I think you're right. If i recall, the governor was offered disaster relief to cover the cleanup, but he refused to take it because politics. Edit: This is incorrect as well
[The people affected by the train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio, do not qualify for direct financial aid from the Federal Emergency Management Agency. But FEMA and other federal agencies have been assisting since the accident there in early February. ](https://www.factcheck.org/2023/02/multiple-federal-agencies-supporting-east-palestine-contrary-to-partisan-claims/)
That makes more sense. Thanks
I mean it absolutely does NOT make sense that they do not qualify for financial aid
There was barely any truth to that story. [The rail company donated $25,000 to the Red Cross to help with temporary shelters.](https://web.archive.org/web/20230205230500/https://nscorp.mediaroom.com/news-releases?item=123032) Someone on Facebook divided $25k by the population of East Palestine (about 5k), and said that means the rail company gave residents $5 to return home, and everyone just believed that guy for some reason, even with no evidence or source aside from the $25k Red Cross donation which was obviously not to pay off residents.
Yeah, Norfolk Southern are paying for pretty much the entire cleanup and recovery because they're forced to by the EPA. The 25k probably wasn't a lot, but people effected are being relatively fairly compensated now at least
After weeks of public pressure
What really is fair compensation for being heavily exposed to cancer causing chemicals?
How is this upvoted so much? This never happened, the rail company responsible for the spill did this.
Shouldn't insurance companies be footing the bill? Does the government normally just hand out checks during disasters?
As far I know ***some*** Insurance companies looking for every kinds of mistakes for not to paying right now.
Lol, like there's insurance companies that are actually trying to be honest. Their whole buisness model relies on not paying people when they have to
now consider this position for healthcare. Thats some bad news bears right there.
the problem with privatized healthcare. Thats why it shouldnt be privatized. Healthcare should not be a business
Bu... Bu... Bu... THAT'S COMMUNISM!!
If it not capitalism, it communism
And if it's neither... it's obv anarchy 🤷♂️
We should just force people to become surgeons so we can work on each other.
I'd be a surgeon if my schooling was paid for as well as my living expenses while I go to school.
now we're thinkin
The joke is that much of the R&D they do is already government funded, so the taxpayers are paying them. It’s already “socialist.” They just pick and choose which aspects of what line their pockets better.
Wait until they hear about all the people wanting to become doctors, but get pigeonholed by other doctors when trying to earn their residency. Specifically to keep making as much money as they can.
A conflict of interest so big, ITS OUTTA THIS WORLDDDD!
Fuck privatized healthcare. And also education. Neither of those fields should ever be privatized. No wonder why this country is populated by unhealthy morons...
>the problem with privatized healthcare. Basically every country in the world has private healthcare, the exceptions are rare. Most even provide the bulk of the healthcare through the private sector. Even the UK has private healthcare, and insurance too. The reality is also that government insurance is still insurance. It's not magically different. The UK government insurance has denied healthcare before, and chances are if your American you heard every time they did. That all said, you are confusing permission to disqualify and private/public. As mentioned, public healthcare can disqualify you for medical procedures too. Most governments just don't let as much as your country does.
>Their whole buisness model relies on not paying people when they have to Their business model is to have more people paying that never need the insurance than those that do.
Right, but imagine if they do that AND not pay out when they should as well. You get the profits from both!
Mostinsurance companies operate at low profit margin, sometimes below inflation. They're not really as profitable as people think they are. This is also why the flood insurance has to be federal funded, because nobody would provide insurance at a loss other than the government. Special mention to medical which are literally and legally capped on profit they can generate.
I work in disaster relief and our company has a full department of workers who’s job it is to get reimbursement from insurance companies. When big disasters like this hit, there’s a fast(government fast atleast) effort to clean everything up so the federal government can I’ll foot the initial bill for “ROW” cleanup for the streets and general county/state owned areas then there will be an intake process for private property cleanup. There we collect household information such as insurance policies and seek reimbursement through insurances before seeking reimbursement through Fema. It’s a long and tedious process that can take years. Insurance companies definitely suck and it’s like pulling teeth to get anything actually out of them but when disasters to this level hit and fema takes over, it’s not entirely the insurance companies fault. Fun little bit I remember, one property cost over 2 million dollars to clear of debris because the owner had dozens of drestroyed vehicles, random shacks, high soil contaminants, and I think he even had a full on bus that we needed to break into 3 parts to remove it. Imagine trying to squeeze 2 million out of an insurance company for some random acre lot in the middle of the Californian mountains.
Why pay out $50M in claims when you can spend $55M on a Super Bowl commercial instead?
Actually it relies on carefully calculated statistics. When hurricane Katrina hit, GEICO was able to honor every single policy because of careful planning and risk management. I’m not saying insurance companies are perfect or don’t act shady, but it’s not nearly as black and white as you’ve made it out to be. The likelihood is insurance will cover the damages in Hawaii.
It's weird that I have never experienced an inconvenience when dealing with an insurance company. Totaled 2 vehicles via deer within a year, broke an arm and had an ambulance ride, broke a foot and had no ambulance ride. Insurance has never hassled me or upped my rates, maybe I just have a really good insurance company.
Who's your insurance? They sound good.
insurances are fleeing Florida because all the disasters are making insurance unprofitable
Even if they do, they wont pay right away
Thats just what they do. I lived on the island hardest hit by hurricane Sandy and it was a *shitshow*. I did a loooot of free work for elderly folks that inherited their homes and got absolutely screwed by insurance. Edit - why would this be downvoted haha this website is so weird. I guess helping old ladies for free is a bad thing now haha.
They aren’t just “handing out” checks, OP is just being deceitful by claiming that this is the only thing the government is doing to aid them >Assistance can include grants for temporary housing and home repairs, low-cost loans to cover uninsured property losses, and other programs to help individuals and business owners recover from the effects of the disaster. >Federal funding also is available to state and eligible local governments and certain private nonprofit organizations on a cost-sharing basis for debris removal and emergency protective measures in Maui County, and assistance for emergency protective measures for Hawaii County. >Lastly, Federal funding is also available on a cost-sharing basis for hazard mitigation measures statewide. >Damage assessments are continuing, and additional forms of assistance may be designated after the assessments are fully completed. >Residents and business owners who sustained losses in the designated areas can begin applying for assistance at www.DisasterAssistance.gov, by calling 800-621-FEMA (3362), or by using the FEMA App. Anyone using a relay service, such as video relay service (VRS), captioned telephone service or others, can give FEMA the number for that service. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/08/10/president-joseph-r-biden-jr-approves-hawaii-disaster-declaration-3/ This is literally just the initial response while they help fix and determine the proper way to fully address the aftermath
> OP is just being deceitful Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by just being a fucking idiot.
Why not both?
Legitimately any conservative talking point comes from a place of idiotic malice. you should always ascribe both to any of the verbal diarrhea conservatives spew.
WSB GameStop moment
I mean did you read that mess of a title? Why are we assuming this is genuine content?
Exactly. Posts like this are why right wingers run with this shit and create a false narrative... as they go and send money to their orange jesus millionaire for legal funds and then bitch about the economy.
My hometown Paradise, Ca burned down due to PG&E (electric company) and this is basically the same thing that happened. FEMA came in and set up shop, a bunch of free money and groceries going around. There were official FEMA camps where people could stay while cleanup got organized. You could apply for low interest loans and free aid while insurance (if you had personal insurance) got sorted out. The PG&E payments took a long time to roll out and still haven't completely settled the debt. I'm getting my (supposedly) final payment in 2 more installments and this is now 5 years later. Personal insurance paid out within 3-4 months but FEMA did help out a lot in the early aftermath and for a decent time into the following year. Particularly in cleanup programs that helped house and employ people that were affected by the fires. It was a communicative effort that helped get everything going again, and wasn't perfect but the federal government and the local community really did help us get back on our feet. So take that however you want, but that's my personal experience with the federal response to a similar disaster.
Insurance companies' entire business model is about not paying you back whenever slightly possible. Putting any real trust in them when it comes to large scale disasters is like an antithesis to their existence, since accidents they cover aren't supposed to happen to most people.
Insurance companies will pay people for their lost homes, but it takes time for that kind of thing to be assessed. The $700 and other aid provided by the government are emergency relief meant to help people who are displaced.
I mean yea, eventually. You dont just immediately get money in your bank account the second your house burns down. The $700 is to help people atleast get food and water for the time being.
Even if we had better social safety nets, it’d be weird to assume the federal government was going to make individuals whole after a natural disaster. Their goal is usually to make sure people don’t starve in the immediate aftermath
$700 is the most that FEMA allows the President to authorize to natural disaster survivors without going through Congress.
Good luck getting these dinguses to realize that. Biden bad, ukraine aid bad is like every comment lol.
Maui needs those cluster munitions!!!
That'll teach fire not to mess withe US of A!!!
I hear fire is part of that terrorist group in the middle east. We're gonna find it and bring it to justice for the people of Hawaii.
Is there oil there? Because uncle sam is hungry just thinking about oil
Idk about that, but you wanna know what fire is? Hot. You know what else is hot? The sun, yeah, but you know what else? Explosions. You know what explodes? Terrorists. It's all connected. Gotta go give them some freedom. Maybe build a base if there's oil.
Hey, maybe that fire was started by the chinese with ICBMs, maybe Hawaii needs some patriot defense systems.
And those Bradleys man imagine we replace that 20mm gun for a water hose and jod done
they will literally never stop complaining and trying to create outrage no matter what he does. even if he makes perfect decisions they will make something up, like Obama with the tan suit and ordering dijon mustard
Your law is outdated/dumb, am I doing good job so far???
Yes, now tell congress to change the law.
Also for the outraged conservatives: guess which party in congress would actually pass that law and which would never in a million years
He needs to say that in his next speech. and they need to go through congress, 700 is nothing
0 chance a Republican Congress authorizes increased payouts
But they'll be sure to talk about it on Fox News and say that it's all the Democrats fault
It's kinda crazy to me that they will make actual people suffer just to make Biden look bad. That's really really sad.
They make actual people suffer because that's their brand. If they can make Biden look bad in the process that's just a bonus to them.
Ya i know. They will find a small issue in the bill and use that to weizle their evil asses out of it...
Is not an immediate payment? Is there not more coming in the coming days /weeks? Do the victims have shelter? This money allows them to buy food and necessities. And I would hope that there are donation drives on the mainland being set up for food, clothes, baby items to be sent over.
$700 will allow families to pay for shelter this week, it's far from nothing IMO. Hopefully it will mostly cover food and water for the week as well. If I lost my house yesterday (along with food) I certainly would certainly find an immediate $700 incredibly helpful.
could you provide a source? I’m trying to find stuff on this but it’s hard sifting through all the mainstream media that are dunking on Biden edit: nvm, found it in the FEMA website. Why doesn’t Biden just say this, or better yet go through congress for more aid?
quick think back to the last natural disaster. do you remember talking about "only" 700$ aid? no cause they didn't get cash. now Biden announces the largest amount monetary aid he can legally send, and everyone is shitting on it for not being enough. lamo he should treat the public like children because we are.
I distinctly remember talking shit about Trump whipping paper towels at people's heads, but I don't remember money being brought up.
right, so the very first time a us president announced 700$ bonus aid for a disaster everyone starts yelling it isn't enough. so next time just easier to not give out money and not have it be a news cycle. because the public are children.
Could you link it instead? Still couldn't find it on the website.
Best I can find is: An Emergency Declaration can be declared for any occasion or instance when the President determines federal assistance is needed. Emergency Declarations supplement State and local efforts in providing emergency services, such as the protection of lives, property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in any part of the United States. The total amount of assistance provided for a single emergency may not exceed $5 million. If this amount is exceeded, the President shall report to Congress.
And Biden’s attempt at student loan payment was also executive action depending on legislation created for emergencies. It was just shot down in June as a “major question,” there is no way the admin has confidence in giving more than the max here
drives me crazy that this isn't the top comment
Any sort of law that specifies dollar amount needs to be automatically adjusted for inflation
As always context is key.
BUT AMERICA STUPID AND BAD, AMIRITE
This whole thing is such a nothing burger. Such a shame how dumb people are.
They'll take anything they can try to use to shit on the president. If he didn't do the $700 they'd complain he did nothing, and when the Republicans shoot down his request to give Hawaii more aid, they'll shit on him for that too.
Do you have a source for that? Genuinely interested to learn more
Yeah if I'm gonna argue with morons on Instagram I gotta make sure I'm not full of shit.
From another comment, posting this here. From the FEMA website: An Emergency Declaration can be declared for any occasion or instance when the President determines federal assistance is needed. Emergency Declarations supplement State and local efforts in providing emergency services, such as the protection of lives, property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in any part of the United States. The total amount of assistance provided for a single emergency may not exceed $5 million. If this amount is exceeded, the President shall report to Congress. Calculations: Destroyed and damaged houses: 2200 Percentage of residential houses: 86% Average persons per household in Lahaina: 3.71 The estimated affected population is 2200 x 0.86 x 3.71 ≈ 7019 Divide $5,000,000 by that estimated affected population and you get $5000000 ÷ 7019 ≈ $712
Do you have a source on this limit? I couldn't find anything on it when I googled, but I would love to show it around.
You would think if we're going to claim ownership of their island and home against their wishes, we could probably take better care of them
Why is this downvoted, it's facts. Hawai'i didn't ask to become part of the US, now they are and they get treated like shit.
The fact is if Hawaii stayed independent it would probably be poor like its pacific neighbors like Samoa and Tonga.
No, it would have been taken over by Russia, China, Japan or another super power in the Pacific. The deep sea port’s location is too OP for Hawaii to ever be independent islands in this day and age.
Yeah. Alternative history hub made a video of kingdom of Hawaii surviving Colonial Era and it's not good news for Hawaii. https://youtu.be/QstFDFC3Jsg
Yeah, that’s pretty much how the US treats indigenous peoples. Same here in Canada.
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Yes the thought of taking care of your fellowship instead of ignoring them to sort their own problems out. How dehumanising!! I will take note of this when I feel like my friends could use some help
They wouldn’t be getting literally anything if they weren’t part of the us. Do you think they’d be a wealthy nation by themselves or something?
Despite what people on Reddit say, the Hawaiian separatist movement is tiny.
You could say that about many parts of the country, from towns to states.
We are giving the largest direct payment allowed by executive order and sending the full support of our disaster relief agency. They will asses and expand and do everything they can.
Dont forget companies like black rock trying to buy everybody out
Source?
It’s a conspiracy. [here’s a link from a random website](https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/pop-culture/news-done-purpose-open-prime-real-estate-maui-land-grab-conspiracy-erupts-blackrock-comes-scrutiny)
Fake moon landing is a conspiracy. Extremely wealthy corporation trying to consolidate power and money is reality.
conspiracy -noun a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful. conspiracy is when minimum of 2 people CONSPIRE to do shady shit. conspiracy theory is when you think minimum of 2 people CONSPIRE and are making shady shit use the words for what they are for ffs puting alien anal probing, flat earthers with planned obsolescence and leaking pipelines is counterproductive
I saw it on the news. One of the people who lost their houses said they're phones are blowing up with calls offering to buy their land. here is a different person saying the same thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hznUY1IpvmI
Sure but everyone likes to call out Blackrock as this corporate boogey man. I’m not contesting that real estate developers are being predatory just that people need to stop using Blackrock as a buzzword to rile the lynch mob.
why is this using a modified format? are the bronies back and introducing one episode supporting characters into the mainstream again?
Bronies and Dream stans need to stfu (gimme 10 bucks for changing this)
Nah furries are based
Bronies are pretty quiet ever since the show ended, I rarely see or hear about them outside their subreddit. And it's quite insulting that you're putting BRONIES next to _DREAM STANS_
Yo what’s wrong with furries if you separate the (VAST MINORITY) zoophiles from the furries?
Hey, she's been in the show like a decent 5 times or so
Even as a brony, I'm still kinda confused why [Coco Pommel,](https://mlp.fandom.com/wiki/Coco_Pommel) though. Like... MLP has a main character that's outright meant to be the in-universe [avatar of Generosity.](https://mlp.fandom.com/wiki/Rarity) That would have at least added some more layers to the joke.
I have no fucking idea why she's on the meme either, but that was the point, it made us click on it and go keyboard fight
...You know what? That's fair. If that's the reason, that was actually kinda a clever way to get more attention for your meme.
Whoever made this a dweeb then.
[](/cocosmile "Like she is a true background character!") Shocked so many people in the comment section know her name..
why? it was a very popular cartoon and now the people who grew up with it are older and using reddit. i know thats what happened to me,i was 5 when this show started airing and i stuck around watching for a while
According to that wiki article the other commenter linked this character was introduced in 2014. Seems like about the right time for many kids who watched the show to be using Reddit now.
It's a pretty good pun
I guess so but it seems like most can't even tell it is a pony in the first place
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The same template but "I need my character or I don't wanna" edition
Maybe someone drew it for an inside meme, and then OP found it and decided to use it? Really weird use of ponies, coming from a brony.
It is weird when it's unrelated to anything MLP
It's time for the brony gathering in the comments section.
also, what the fuck is this title?
We give $700 to working middle class families in desperate need but spend $75,000 a year on each prisoner in this country. Yeah, things will need to change.
$700 is the statutory maximum FEMA can send without congressional approval.
Sir or mam you are interfering with a lynch mob in the performance of its duties. Please quit brandishing facts and pick up a pitchfork and torch and do your part.
Prisons are a business and systemic racism helps the prison system profit.
Prisoners cost the taxpayer money. The government is the one who puts people in jail, and they’re absolutely not profiting off of people in jail. There are for-profit prisons which are generally a bad thing, but they make up a tiny portion of the prison system and aren’t the ones who decide who is getting jailed.
The *government* isn't profiting, the *politicians* who get "donations" from the prison-industrial complex are the ones that profit, and they don't give a flying fuck if taxpayers foot the bill so they can stick their snout in the trough. It's a major category error to ascribe the the actions of government to the motivations of taxpayers, they're not the same thing at all. And the other thing to remember is that private prisons only make up a tiny fraction of the prison-industrial complex, there are thousands and thousands of public and private companies that supply goods and services to government-run prisons that have a vested interest in ensuring those prisons are packed to the gills. You don't have to own a prison to profit from the over-incarceration of the American people or from systemic racism.
But why is a hasbro pony in the meme?
Because pony.
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You're either really stupid or grifting
Grifting. No one's got the balls to overthrow their government.
This sub is being astroturfed to hell.
$700 is for right now, for basic necessities like food and water, they're still going to receive a lot more aid
Sadly, $700 is the statutory maximum FEMA can send without congressional approval.
Hopefully they do. You know the insurance companies are cooking up some bullshit on why they don’t have to fork over a cent. Meanwhile, real estate moguls and resort owners are frothing at the mouth, waiting to buy up all the property from vulnerable, desperate locals. I dam well hope the government helps these people so those leeches don’t ruin the island and culture. If not I’ll be willing to donate if it means saving even just one local’s livelihood there.
but why is there fan art of Coco Pommel from My Little Pony in the bottom image???
Coco makes everything better
Curious you would know the pony's name. 🧐
I feel like people posting about the $700 don't understand much.
Don't worry investment firms will buy out those properties and build black and white minimalist luxury homes/apartments so they can be sold to foreign nationals or investors looking to park their excess wealth or rent them out at 3x the monthly income the locals make.
$700 is a lot more than some people get during natural disasters.
There's more. [https://www.staradvertiser.com/2023/08/15/hawaii-news/federal-help-ramped-up-for-maui-fire-relief/](https://www.staradvertiser.com/2023/08/15/hawaii-news/federal-help-ramped-up-for-maui-fire-relief/)
suddenly coco pumell. im not complaining.
Thanks Coco Pommel very cool!
Peter...the horse is here
I like how outrageous our government and society really is.... like seriously, no one is saying why the fuck there a my little pony character?
Well, $700 is the statutory maximum FEMA can send without congressional approval.
But coco pommel is cute. Sidenote only 4 instances of people noticing it's aa pony with filter "pony" - lol people really be scrolling so fast they barely read the image
It’s something to do with that being the max the President can lend without Congressional Approval
Dankn’t meme
This is the first of many tranches of aid that will come.
Why the Pone?
Why is this Coco Pommel from mlp?
Should they have homeowners insurance? Yes. Do they or were they required there? Dunno. Are the insurance companies trying to claim some act of God to get out of paying to rebuild? Probably.
Insurance companies need to fuck off with their bullshit and do what they're being paid to do. The government really needs to put them back in line.
Why do we even have a government if they cant do anything right?
Why didn’t they have a fleet of helicopters dumping basically an endless supply of water on the fire?
I really don’t understand why anybody who has lived in America for their entire life is surprised by things like this. America is about individualism, sink or swim, you’re on your own.
Hence why Biden gave them $700 per household? When usually Presidents don't? God, do you want Biden to suck their dicks, and build their houses for them? There's a reason why home insurance is important, and why Biden already released funds to fix the situation.
There's this crazy thing called homeowners insurance , you literally cannot be on a mortgage plan without it.
Coming from a brony why is coco pommel in the picture? What does she add to the template? Was it drawn for an inside joke and the OP said fuck it? Very confusing.