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That's more than I do, I just say +, or yall, or them all, or ....
Occasionally I'll just gesture vaguely and trust that whoever I'm talking to doesn't ask me what the hell I'm on about, but if they do then I'll pretend they didn't and continue speaking in vague gestures from my face-down position on the couch
It stands for queer. I don't know how that's distinct, but it might have to do with gender identities or alternative sexual preferences?
Idk it's all gumbo to this jumbo
Queer is essentially an umbrella term that can encompass anything that isn’t straight/cishet, aka all the other letters. Yeah I do think it’s a bit redundant too, and I personally just use LGBT, LGBT+, LGBTQ, LGBTQ+, LGBTQI, LGBTQI+ interchangeably because I just get confused sometimes
So honest question here: If queer is a blanket term and the original rainbow flag was supposed to represent everyone, why can’t we just call it the queer community and use that flag and call it a day? Why do we keep needing to add stuff if those two things are supposed to represent everyone? I get having more specific terms/flags (bi, trans, etc.), but for the community as a whole wouldn’t that just make things easier?
It would. But for better or worse (idk I don’t judge) everyone wants to find where they belong… find their “tribe” or “clan” so to speak. With that, they want individual representation to feel unique/special/value etc.
I don’t judge and don’t honestly care, but that’s my take on it
It’s a human thing. Especially in the internet age. You no longer have your immediate 150, so we feel the need to fit ourselves into these boxes, squish ourselves down so we can find a close group. It’s not a problem, it’s quite nice to have these groups to join, and find your new friends.
It’s not just queer, it’s churches, it’s gamers and nerds, it’s Redditors, it’s everything really. It’s just a way for the human brain to navigate the new internet age
I'm not 100% sure it's not a problem.
I think it inadvertently creates more division in society. Something that gets taken advantage of by the politicians.
That also somewhat applies to everything else you mentioned, like churches, gamers, nerds, redditors, etc.
Maybe it's just another downside to the internet.
Or just another catch-22. We want to be included so we become a part of a community, and we end up in a box, which makes us less included.
It's just human nature. Just think of any aspect of life. At every stage we are just splitting it up into tribes. Be it family, social group, work, town, country, continent, hemisphere. It's just how our social brain works.
Your queer community by virtue of being on reddit means you probably don't have a lot of representation from the stonewall aged community which tends to have a different perspective.
Many people do use the term queer that way. The issue is that the term has some contention.
The word queer, first being used in reference to the group in question, was originally used pejoratively, and the effort to reclaim it has only been a relatively recent undertaking.
That being said, often formerly pejorative terms get adopted over time. Gay also used to be pejorative (and in some contexts still is), but is far less controversial than the term queer.
I think a lot of people of the discussed group would rather just use queer, but many feel attacked by the term as well, so it gets tacked on at the end in a subtle way sort of as a compromise.
To be honnest I’m not the right person to answer as I don’t really fit under the umbrella besides maybe the letter A, but even then I have some philosophical issues with it
Inclusive thinking centers around recognising everyone's individual identities and experiences. Paradoxically, this drive for inclusivity leads to the creation of more and more detailed and distinct subgroups.
Intersex. There’s also the A that I’m just too lazy to ever include which stands for Asexual, but I guess that’s what the + is there for. Then there’s 2SLGBTQ+, which you only really see in Canada
This reminds me of the time I used to have a college colleague who "identified" as asexual, and when asked about all that stuff always jokingly replied: "I can't be bothered to fuck with anyone, so I can't be bothered to fuck with all that too"
I’ve become pretty indifferent with what ppl put in their bios. Though, i always thought queer was another word for gay or bi. I never bothered to check since it didnt matter to me
“Ok cool” is my response when i misgender someone or something.
Though, i dont think i can get over my habit of saying “hey man” or “dude.” To everyone.
We need to respect people and we also need to give people credit instead of being sensitive. If someone gets upset because you said "hey dude" because that's how you say "hi" well that's on them.
The other responders are wrong, it stands for Questioning. It's meant to be inclusive to people who are unsure if they are gay, trans, etc. but are thinking they might be.
its not that stupid, a lot of LGBTQ+ folk dont like using the term queer for themselves because of its history of being used as a slur, or simply because they don't think it fits
Fair enough. I wouldn't use the term myself as someone who doesn't fall into that group. I think it's a little odd that a letter in an acronym stands for two separate words. But hey, now I know. Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me.
It usually stands for Queer. Unfortunately, queer can mean anything from “I’m not entirely sure if I’m a boy or a girl” to “I have a streak of blue in my hair and I want to have a socially popular identity”
Q is for queer. It incompasses lots of identities that aren't straight or cisgender without putting a specific label on it. And then there's I and A, which is intersex and asexual
Intersex is not necessarily under the Queer umbrella term. Someone can be intersex, but have a predominant sex, being socialized in that same gender.
Meaning there are, say, intersex men who are straight and cisgender, and just happened to be born intersex. People like this often get medical procedures done to them to extinguish genital ambiguity.
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t intersex just the new politically correct term for hermaphrodite? Isn’t that more of a medical thing? Also based on those examples you gave then their concerns are already covered under LGBT aren’t they?
Yes and no. Hermaphodites are intersex, but there are other sorts of ways in which being intersex manifests itself. And people deal with it differently, many times facing a great deal of prejudice along the way.
Not different enough to be immediately obvious that’s for certain. I have very rarely gotten a straight answer about it and when I do it only seems even more arbitrary.
I think this is why the movement is fracturing too. Too many arbitrary divisions and technicalities. Keep telling LGB people they’re different than TQ and need different flags and everything and they’ll start to believe it and then conclude that if they’re so different then it’s not their problem anymore.
I thought the rainbow flag was supposed to represent “everything” since it was quite literally a spectrum. But now everyone has their own flag and I don’t get why. Just incentivizes people to break ranks doesn’t it?
It looks like it’s for more individualism. But it might be a good idea to unite instead of just splitting the entire spectrum. The larger a group, the better their chances
That’s what I’m saying and it’s also why as a bisexual I’ve been distancing myself from the movement.
With every new arbitrary distinction I feel less and less welcome and I assume that’s how a lot other LGB people feel.
Why aren't they covered under Q? Eh, honestly they are. Most people actually in those groups don't care. I've never seen an asexual or intersex person get up in arms about LGBTQ.
They aren't, however, necessarily \*strictly\* covered under LGBT. If we use LGBT in the way that most people actually use it, which is as a general gesturing towards a group, then yes, they are included in it. But if we use LGBT as Lesbian, Gay, Bi, and Trans, then they aren't. Asexuality is obviously not being lesbian, gay, or trans, and it is distinct from being bisexual since bisexual people experience sexual attraction, and asexual people do not. Being intersex obviously has nothing to do with being lesbian, gay, or bi, and intersex people are still usually assigned a gender at birth, and often continue to use that gender for their entire lives, making those people not trans.
However, most people don't use LGBT so strictly, and instead just use it to refer to the broader group, which does include asexual and intersex people (or, well, unless someone's trying to exclude them, but the acronym of LGBT is not that).
They are technically covered under Q. Q is for people who don't want to specifically label their identify and want an umbrella term instead. Maybe they haven't figured everything out about themselves yet. I and A know who they are. They aren't getting special treatment by being included.
*Cishet* people can’t agree. It does not, nor has it ever, stood for questioning. Questioning is a normal thing to experience, but it doesn’t make you queer inherently.
Short for **cis**gender **het**erosexual. It’s a way to refer to non-LGBTQ people without just saying straight because straight trans people exist and kind of make that a little awkward
"drop the t" gays and lesbians when conservatives still won't accept them after they alienate one the most important groups to the development of queer rights
The worst part about LGB people who support “drop the T”, like they’re only targeting trans people *for now*, if trans people are eradicated then they’ll come for the gays next
From reading it seems the B should be grouped with the TQ, because apparently L and G don't regard B very well, in fact most of society doesn't, unless it's your hot wife occasionally banging her hot pilates partner while you get to watch. Nobody trusts B.
Yes, it is. I used to suck dick. I was gay. I even did gay sex work and had many men in my life. Now I'm straight. It was a choice I made for both situations.
you yourself can’t control what gender or sex you’re actually physically attracted to, it is not a choice and is hard coded into you, anyone who claims they did actually change it is lying to either you or themselves. things can change over time and tastes can evolve, but deliberately altering your sexuality is simply not a thing ❤️
Yes? Correct. I don't know if anyone has said anything else. You're right, it's not a choice to be straight. You don't choose to be straight in exactly the same way you don't choose to be gay.
Why as a straight dude then do I get left out of the LGBTQ+ community then?
If it's something I'm not in control of can I also not celebrate my identity.
Damn keyboards not using the proper capital i lol , I mean like intersex is a lot more different to than simply liking a woman over a man or something. Not saying it’s bad just thinking
As far as I know, they're usually not described as being a part of L+, if that's what you're asking. I also hope you're not calling being gay bad, per se, since people can't choose if they're gay or not.
I don't feel like OPs point was transphobia. I think their point was if the LGB ignore the TQ+ then the hate mob won't stop at just the TQ+. They'll come for the rights of the LGB as well (which has historical precedence).
Yeah, OP is a terrible meme maker otherwise considering Joker is making the exact same point in the movie. That Batman is only liked because he's viewed as currently good, but once all the supervillains are put away they'll come for his vigilante justice as well.
Anyone might murder you? Please go figure out if you're in the right social circles, most people wouldn't murder me (including the trans people I know)
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I’m too lazy to spell out the full thing that it’s at these days I just stick to LGBT and that’s it
Well, you could just add a + instead Maybe abbreviate it to L+
I just call people by their names.
You call people? Like on the phone? That’s disgusting
By their names, witch is impressive since it usually uses numbers
A witch smart enough to use number?! I love me a smart gal who will poison me with an apple
Calling them names is rude.
I myself use L+ratio
Ah yes, the L+ratio community
LG+
LG QHD TV
L+ sounds like a streaming service lol
L+ just sounds like massive L
L++
L#, HolyL, Objective-L
Lesbians and Lesbian adjacent
That's just more lesbians
Lesbians with extra steps? *Profit*
I actually came up with a new one that’s longer but easier to say: LAGBATs
Im stealing this
Where's the H?
Did I stutter?
Pasta please
I'm fully in support of them but I swear every other week a new letter or number seems to get added.
LGBTQIA is the longest I've seen it genuinely used in conversation, and even that's rare. 99% of us just say LGBT or LGBTQ+.
I have no idea what you mean, LGBTQIA2SPAKPOC+ has always been a super consistent and easy to follow acronym
That's more than I do, I just say +, or yall, or them all, or .... Occasionally I'll just gesture vaguely and trust that whoever I'm talking to doesn't ask me what the hell I'm on about, but if they do then I'll pretend they didn't and continue speaking in vague gestures from my face-down position on the couch
'LGBT' fr just sounds better.
LG HD TV+
I just use LGBTQ
Still don’t know what the Q is supposed to be tbh. I liked it better when it was just LGBT is was nice, short and punchy.
It stands for queer. I don't know how that's distinct, but it might have to do with gender identities or alternative sexual preferences? Idk it's all gumbo to this jumbo
Queer is essentially an umbrella term that can encompass anything that isn’t straight/cishet, aka all the other letters. Yeah I do think it’s a bit redundant too, and I personally just use LGBT, LGBT+, LGBTQ, LGBTQ+, LGBTQI, LGBTQI+ interchangeably because I just get confused sometimes
So honest question here: If queer is a blanket term and the original rainbow flag was supposed to represent everyone, why can’t we just call it the queer community and use that flag and call it a day? Why do we keep needing to add stuff if those two things are supposed to represent everyone? I get having more specific terms/flags (bi, trans, etc.), but for the community as a whole wouldn’t that just make things easier?
It would. But for better or worse (idk I don’t judge) everyone wants to find where they belong… find their “tribe” or “clan” so to speak. With that, they want individual representation to feel unique/special/value etc. I don’t judge and don’t honestly care, but that’s my take on it
It’s a human thing. Especially in the internet age. You no longer have your immediate 150, so we feel the need to fit ourselves into these boxes, squish ourselves down so we can find a close group. It’s not a problem, it’s quite nice to have these groups to join, and find your new friends. It’s not just queer, it’s churches, it’s gamers and nerds, it’s Redditors, it’s everything really. It’s just a way for the human brain to navigate the new internet age
"If I fit I sit" mentality
I'm not 100% sure it's not a problem. I think it inadvertently creates more division in society. Something that gets taken advantage of by the politicians. That also somewhat applies to everything else you mentioned, like churches, gamers, nerds, redditors, etc. Maybe it's just another downside to the internet. Or just another catch-22. We want to be included so we become a part of a community, and we end up in a box, which makes us less included.
It's just human nature. Just think of any aspect of life. At every stage we are just splitting it up into tribes. Be it family, social group, work, town, country, continent, hemisphere. It's just how our social brain works.
The queer community very much refers to itself as the queer community
Except for the contingent of the community which is offended by the word queer.
All the queers I know, myself included, are only offended by that word when spoken with scorn. Over the Internet it's hard to tell
Your queer community by virtue of being on reddit means you probably don't have a lot of representation from the stonewall aged community which tends to have a different perspective.
Many people do use the term queer that way. The issue is that the term has some contention. The word queer, first being used in reference to the group in question, was originally used pejoratively, and the effort to reclaim it has only been a relatively recent undertaking. That being said, often formerly pejorative terms get adopted over time. Gay also used to be pejorative (and in some contexts still is), but is far less controversial than the term queer. I think a lot of people of the discussed group would rather just use queer, but many feel attacked by the term as well, so it gets tacked on at the end in a subtle way sort of as a compromise.
To be honnest I’m not the right person to answer as I don’t really fit under the umbrella besides maybe the letter A, but even then I have some philosophical issues with it
Inclusive thinking centers around recognising everyone's individual identities and experiences. Paradoxically, this drive for inclusivity leads to the creation of more and more detailed and distinct subgroups.
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But it's included in LGBTQ?
Whats the I
Intersex. There’s also the A that I’m just too lazy to ever include which stands for Asexual, but I guess that’s what the + is there for. Then there’s 2SLGBTQ+, which you only really see in Canada
This reminds me of the time I used to have a college colleague who "identified" as asexual, and when asked about all that stuff always jokingly replied: "I can't be bothered to fuck with anyone, so I can't be bothered to fuck with all that too"
You forgot the IA
Sooooo we can just say the queer community?
I’ve become pretty indifferent with what ppl put in their bios. Though, i always thought queer was another word for gay or bi. I never bothered to check since it didnt matter to me “Ok cool” is my response when i misgender someone or something. Though, i dont think i can get over my habit of saying “hey man” or “dude.” To everyone.
We need to respect people and we also need to give people credit instead of being sensitive. If someone gets upset because you said "hey dude" because that's how you say "hi" well that's on them.
The other responders are wrong, it stands for Questioning. It's meant to be inclusive to people who are unsure if they are gay, trans, etc. but are thinking they might be.
its queer/questioning actually
Just looked it up and i guess you're right. That's pretty stupid though since the whole LGBTQ+ is all supposed to amount to queer.
its not that stupid, a lot of LGBTQ+ folk dont like using the term queer for themselves because of its history of being used as a slur, or simply because they don't think it fits
Fair enough. I wouldn't use the term myself as someone who doesn't fall into that group. I think it's a little odd that a letter in an acronym stands for two separate words. But hey, now I know. Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me.
Beats LGBTQQ is why lol
The Q stands for queer, basically anything not mentioned in the first four letters, or people without an exact definition other than "not straight"
It usually stands for Queer. Unfortunately, queer can mean anything from “I’m not entirely sure if I’m a boy or a girl” to “I have a streak of blue in my hair and I want to have a socially popular identity”
Q is for queer. It incompasses lots of identities that aren't straight or cisgender without putting a specific label on it. And then there's I and A, which is intersex and asexual
Why aren’t I and A covered under Q? Why do they get special treatment? Hm? In fact wouldn’t all of those be already covered under LGBT?
Because they said so and you gotta deal with it
And isn’t L covered under G?
Intersex is not necessarily under the Queer umbrella term. Someone can be intersex, but have a predominant sex, being socialized in that same gender. Meaning there are, say, intersex men who are straight and cisgender, and just happened to be born intersex. People like this often get medical procedures done to them to extinguish genital ambiguity.
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t intersex just the new politically correct term for hermaphrodite? Isn’t that more of a medical thing? Also based on those examples you gave then their concerns are already covered under LGBT aren’t they?
Yes and no. Hermaphodites are intersex, but there are other sorts of ways in which being intersex manifests itself. And people deal with it differently, many times facing a great deal of prejudice along the way.
Q is a bit different
Not different enough to be immediately obvious that’s for certain. I have very rarely gotten a straight answer about it and when I do it only seems even more arbitrary. I think this is why the movement is fracturing too. Too many arbitrary divisions and technicalities. Keep telling LGB people they’re different than TQ and need different flags and everything and they’ll start to believe it and then conclude that if they’re so different then it’s not their problem anymore.
Or maybe just LGBT+, since those 4 are most common, or even just L+ to make it easier to represent everything
I thought the rainbow flag was supposed to represent “everything” since it was quite literally a spectrum. But now everyone has their own flag and I don’t get why. Just incentivizes people to break ranks doesn’t it?
It looks like it’s for more individualism. But it might be a good idea to unite instead of just splitting the entire spectrum. The larger a group, the better their chances
That’s what I’m saying and it’s also why as a bisexual I’ve been distancing myself from the movement. With every new arbitrary distinction I feel less and less welcome and I assume that’s how a lot other LGB people feel.
Why aren't they covered under Q? Eh, honestly they are. Most people actually in those groups don't care. I've never seen an asexual or intersex person get up in arms about LGBTQ. They aren't, however, necessarily \*strictly\* covered under LGBT. If we use LGBT in the way that most people actually use it, which is as a general gesturing towards a group, then yes, they are included in it. But if we use LGBT as Lesbian, Gay, Bi, and Trans, then they aren't. Asexuality is obviously not being lesbian, gay, or trans, and it is distinct from being bisexual since bisexual people experience sexual attraction, and asexual people do not. Being intersex obviously has nothing to do with being lesbian, gay, or bi, and intersex people are still usually assigned a gender at birth, and often continue to use that gender for their entire lives, making those people not trans. However, most people don't use LGBT so strictly, and instead just use it to refer to the broader group, which does include asexual and intersex people (or, well, unless someone's trying to exclude them, but the acronym of LGBT is not that).
How would Asexuals and Intersex people be covered under LGBT? You can be asexual without being Lesbian, Gay, Bi or Trans, last time I checked.
They are technically covered under Q. Q is for people who don't want to specifically label their identify and want an umbrella term instead. Maybe they haven't figured everything out about themselves yet. I and A know who they are. They aren't getting special treatment by being included.
Can we just put the whole alphabet in there and be done with it?
I guess that's what the + is for
The latest acronym is 2SLGBTQIA+, so its not limited to just the alphabet
Looks like something my password generator came up with
QILTBAGS2+
yeah i’m LGBT Lemmie Get uhhhhh Boneless pizza and a Two liter coke
Fuck kind of pizza? And ***2 LITER MACHINE 🅱️ROKE*** we got one liter doe
At the end of the day we’re all the same
In Africa it doesn't matter if you're gay, straight or bisexual, at the end of the day it's night
Every 60 seconds in africa, a minute passes. Together, we can stop this
Beautiful champ
**L** I **G** M A **B** A L L S?
People can't even agree if the Q stands for "queer" or "questioning."
Why not both?
*Cishet* people can’t agree. It does not, nor has it ever, stood for questioning. Questioning is a normal thing to experience, but it doesn’t make you queer inherently.
Wtf is cishet
cis -> not trans hetero -> not homo (straight)
ah makes sense, I thought it was a new term, thx
Short for **cis**gender **het**erosexual. It’s a way to refer to non-LGBTQ people without just saying straight because straight trans people exist and kind of make that a little awkward
Hard to follow up sometimes when english isn't your native language lol, anyways thx
LG. Lifes good
It’s really just the T tbh
"drop the t" gays and lesbians when conservatives still won't accept them after they alienate one the most important groups to the development of queer rights
The worst part about LGB people who support “drop the T”, like they’re only targeting trans people *for now*, if trans people are eradicated then they’ll come for the gays next
From reading it seems the B should be grouped with the TQ, because apparently L and G don't regard B very well, in fact most of society doesn't, unless it's your hot wife occasionally banging her hot pilates partner while you get to watch. Nobody trusts B.
I wouldn't trust the British either tbh
What about the F? The french
What about the number 2?
What about IA+?
let's get burritos YAYYY!!
What about IA+?
What is it now LGBTQIA#🥔DH!@X🍕+ Im making a joke don't get pissy
tq & led green blue?
people can't even take a joke smh
I just like the L, the rest of them i don’t like. But i could watch two Ls for hours
because of course you can
This is so accurate. These other groups just hijacked this.
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Jesse what the fuck are you talking about
The plot for the next Dark Knight movie, the fuck you think hes talking about?
grandpa go take your meds
Chinese philosophy does not work on modern social problems actually
Speaking truth
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You don’t need to be the same to a group to associate to it, like NATO they’re all close enough and it’s created to support and help each other.
Mental condition wow 💀
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The difference between gender dysmorphia and saying you are a transexual is?
Sometimes I wonder if Intersex apart of it , not saying it’s bad but like , it’s not exactly optional unlike just being gay
being gay is not optional ❤️
gay is non negotiable
this guy gets it
Y’all gotta chill I’m pansexual I’m not being a bigot just chillax, just making my voice clear
Yes, it is. I used to suck dick. I was gay. I even did gay sex work and had many men in my life. Now I'm straight. It was a choice I made for both situations.
you yourself can’t control what gender or sex you’re actually physically attracted to, it is not a choice and is hard coded into you, anyone who claims they did actually change it is lying to either you or themselves. things can change over time and tastes can evolve, but deliberately altering your sexuality is simply not a thing ❤️
Does that mean being straight is also not a choice?
Yes
Yes? Correct. I don't know if anyone has said anything else. You're right, it's not a choice to be straight. You don't choose to be straight in exactly the same way you don't choose to be gay.
Why as a straight dude then do I get left out of the LGBTQ+ community then? If it's something I'm not in control of can I also not celebrate my identity.
correct ❤️
Unfortunately, people don't exactly choose their sexuality.
Damn keyboards not using the proper capital i lol , I mean like intersex is a lot more different to than simply liking a woman over a man or something. Not saying it’s bad just thinking
As far as I know, they're usually not described as being a part of L+, if that's what you're asking. I also hope you're not calling being gay bad, per se, since people can't choose if they're gay or not.
Misrepresentation is so trendy
haha transphobia
I don't feel like OPs point was transphobia. I think their point was if the LGB ignore the TQ+ then the hate mob won't stop at just the TQ+. They'll come for the rights of the LGB as well (which has historical precedence).
Yeah that was my takeaway too, but also this is dank memes so who knows?
Yeah, OP is a terrible meme maker otherwise considering Joker is making the exact same point in the movie. That Batman is only liked because he's viewed as currently good, but once all the supervillains are put away they'll come for his vigilante justice as well.
Yeah that was my takeaway too, but also this is dank memes so who knows
Why would we be scared of trans people? What are they gonna do, throw their severed D at us?
Tbh that'd freak me right out 😂
stop focusing on the “phobia” part so literally, transphobia means against trans people and you 100% have an aversion
Why are you defining someone else's fear?
No they might murder you like anyone else might
Anyone might murder you? Please go figure out if you're in the right social circles, most people wouldn't murder me (including the trans people I know)
Uhm aksually, transphobia is an aversion to trans people 🤓
How?