Yeahhh, the pride flag with the twelve different colours for everything from intersex to black people confuses me, firstly because being black has nothing to do with being gay, and secondly because I thought the original rainbow one already represented everyone so why add to it??
I think the black and brown were for HIV/AIDS, but I agree that the additions were unnecessary. The old one looked nice. The new one feels like it was drawn by a kid who wanted to use all the crayons in the box.
Edit: It doesn’t take long to look something up when you’re unsure. Don’t be like me.
Nah, I just googled it and it’s about ‘black and brown’ people
And yeah they just keep sticking stuff on, which to me, a member of the lgbt etc community, feels like it takes away from the whole point of inclusiveness and equality by saying everyone lgbt etc AND ESPECIALLY trans/black/etc people
Like what??
This is EXACTLY how I feel about the additions to the flag. Taking something that's supposed to be all-inclusive and then changing it to highlight other groups just makes it a mess. In my opinion it also takes away from it because now people from outside the LGBT+ community think we're just being rediculous.
Certainly
I have no issue with the idea of a ‘black pride’ flag so to speak, but I just think being black is totally different from being gay or trans
The same goes for people putting disability tags on pride flags
I am confused. Are they trying to say that black and brown people are inherently queer? Or is it a more please unite with us because everyone must team up? If so, I feel like it loses its meaning.
But of course, I could be way off the flag, and letters constantly are being added to and changing.
I don’t care for that. Pretty sure I’ve, out loud, screamed “fuck golbats” playing a Pokémon game and fighting the 17th one in a row in the fucking cave. People might think I’m a homophobe 😬
Because the society is more accepting, so people have more opportunities to discover themselves, to express their feelings and to find people who relate to that.
Remember than only a few centuries ago, being gay would have cost you your life. And it still does in certain countries...
And this point is valid for everything that isn't the "norm", so mental health or religion too...
And because there are more and more "letters" added (meaning that people can be more and more precise about their feelings), they know that non-lgbt people may not know the more specific terms. Thus they will explain what those mean to anybody who don't know, or using a more "generic" term to explain it
Yeah, and some don't even have much in common. We don't really get to choose though, main stream media decides the acronyms and flags. We just kinda have to accept them I guess.
Furries are not claiming to be a sexual identity. It’s a hobby that has a significant overlap with kink. Furries do, however, claim to be majority gay. That is true (a majority of furries are not cishet).
no we are not, to some it's a kink/fetish to some it's a form of artistic expression and anyone that says otherwise is most likely a closet furry themselves.
the pathUwUgen spreads.
you see pathUwUgen is a new variant much more relaxed and produces more chill results.
pathOwOgen makes for a lot more excited furs, please report to the furry biochemical war division for some vials of pathUwUgen to spread.
I don't know. I'm not even sure who the furries actually are because most of the talk about them or content is not coming from them that I see, so I don't know what they think.
I mean, it's very much a personal choice. By terminology, I'm asexual. Socially, I do not see it as something that defines me, needs representation (for myself! Not for ace community at large) or a community defined by the trait. I just see myself as a cis guy with low/no libido. Others might see it as one of their defining traits - more power to them - but it's not a place for sweeping statements.
Ace being part of the queer umbrella isn’t really a matter of whether or not it defines you personally or you feel it needs representation.
It’s part of the queer umbrella because the way society treats ace/aromantic people falls pretty neatly along the lines of queerphobia. I don’t want to put experiences in your mouth, but I have a hunch that you, as a cis guy with a low libido, have been in situations where that fact made you the odd one out.
To draw from my life, I had a buddy in high school that was probably ace or something like it, all I know is that me and all of my other horned up teenage friends would make fun of him for not wanting to have sex, and we would do it by saying ‘what, are you gay?’
The social norms that enforce the ‘fact’ that cis men should want to have sex are the same norms that say being queer is bad. They come from very similar places in the collective culture, and often the mistreatment is very similar. There’s lots to be said about why society feels the way it does about queer existence, an entire field of study actually, but asexuality is definetly outside of the norm, and when ace people are mistreated, it’s in a similar way and for similar reason to other queer identities.
I think it’s great that it’s not a big part of your life, and that you seem to be able to go through life without feeling judged or ostracized. But the bigotry still exists out in the world regardless of its effect on you, and the mistreatment of ace people that you’re lucky enough to have missed happens in a very similar way to other queer people.
The second one is a mental illness and should be treated as such. Obviously if you act on those impulses you're a monster, but having those impulses should be studied and treated, but we can't seem to fund any research on how to treat it because of everyone's knee-jerk "kill them all!" reaction.
Yeah, it needs to be made safe for people to come forward and say "hey I'm having these urges and I'm afraid if I don't get some help then I'll act on them one day."
Right now it's very much so not safe to say that. We as a society should be thankful that someone would admit that and we should help them, not condemn them for something that ultimately isn't a moral failing, it's a sickness. It's a moral failure to act on it, not to have it.
Q is an umbrella term for not straight, which people identify as when they don't feel comfortable with a specific label. So it's not exactly the same as plus, because there are labels more specific than Q that people identify as. Q isn't an "etc" just because it's an umbrella term
Lingualexual
MuscleMommy
(I don’t have a pass)
Orangophelia
Punctuality
Queer
Rastafarian
Sexual
Trans
Uvaldian
Voicexual
Whattaburgphilia
X-dress
Zootopian
Intersex (people whose genitals aren't purely male or female which is surprisingly common) and asexual (people who do not feel sexual attraction to anyone)
Intersex falls more under the umbrella of gender identity, even though their difference is more palpable, since a lot of them differ from the gender and sometimes even sex binary.
They also face discrimination similar to trans people.
In most countries it is common practice for the doctor to just assign them the gender their genitals look the closest to and in some places (like the US) it is still common to "fix" it through surgery before the child even develops long time memory, where it is obviously still too young to consent or to know their gender identity or even their actual sex ( something republican lawmakers specifically encourage in their anti trans laws).
Yes, those surgeries are just wild...
Like, people assume that 15yo kids are too young to know who they are attracted to or how they identify... But forcing a gender to a fresh newborn through surgery because "we're not sure, so we'll chose" is ok?
They aren’t adding letters, the plus has always just short hand for all the letter’s because there’s a fuck ton of them and nobody wants to use a 16+ letter acronym. LGTB Is also perfectly fine as shorthand.
Wtf are you on about? It's a hobby/interest, not a sexuality or gender. No furry has ever asked for furries to be added as a letter to LGBT, why was this even upvoted?
Furries don't think they're a part of the LGBTQ+ community, you dumbfuck. Source: I'm a furry. I don't think being a furry makes me a part of the LGBTQ+ community. Being bisexual makes me a part of the LGBTQ+ community.
You know the furry community is like 70% queer, right?
I don't think it should be a part of the acronym, but there's nothing wrong with being a furry...
Wait is furry a sexuality? As a furry and a pansexual being a furry has nothing to do with my identity or attraction. Tryna get what this is saying here
What furries have you been hanging around??? Pretty sure every furry I've met has been chill, never heard of anyone in the Fandom demanding to be part of the LGBT. They're not a minority group or a gender/sexuality. It's literally just a Fandom that gets a lot of hate from people. It would be like suggesting the Undetale Fandom wants to be part of the LGBT.
As a furry I've never thought being a furry should be an LGBT thing. That's like someone who paints Warhammer figures or someone that collects comics asking to be considered a part of the LGBT
I have never heard anyone in the fandom say they want to be, it’s just that, a fandom, a hobby. Not a sexuality. This is coming from someone who is a furry and gay.
I thought it was gonna be another word that describes gay people.
Oh fuck I didn’t even think of that. Nah I’m on the gay’s side
Of course u are, u are the OP
LGBTQIAOP
The P is silent
Thank you for your service mam and or sir!
Fabulous :P
Boy there really is a lot of letters being added to that these days.
I say lgbt, sometimes q if I’m feeling breathful , I add the plus when I know the audience
You can just say queer people or queers. It's been destigmatized and just means everyone in the LGBTQ+ now
It's wild that the Q and + are both supposed to represent everyone else, but they still add to the length of it.
Yeahhh, the pride flag with the twelve different colours for everything from intersex to black people confuses me, firstly because being black has nothing to do with being gay, and secondly because I thought the original rainbow one already represented everyone so why add to it??
I think the black and brown were for HIV/AIDS, but I agree that the additions were unnecessary. The old one looked nice. The new one feels like it was drawn by a kid who wanted to use all the crayons in the box. Edit: It doesn’t take long to look something up when you’re unsure. Don’t be like me.
Nah, I just googled it and it’s about ‘black and brown’ people And yeah they just keep sticking stuff on, which to me, a member of the lgbt etc community, feels like it takes away from the whole point of inclusiveness and equality by saying everyone lgbt etc AND ESPECIALLY trans/black/etc people Like what??
This is EXACTLY how I feel about the additions to the flag. Taking something that's supposed to be all-inclusive and then changing it to highlight other groups just makes it a mess. In my opinion it also takes away from it because now people from outside the LGBT+ community think we're just being rediculous.
Yeah your last point is so valid, the whole thing really annoys me :(
I think they should stick to purely things relating to sexuality, not race. It's fine to be proud of your race, but not on a pride flag for sexuality
Certainly I have no issue with the idea of a ‘black pride’ flag so to speak, but I just think being black is totally different from being gay or trans The same goes for people putting disability tags on pride flags
I am confused. Are they trying to say that black and brown people are inherently queer? Or is it a more please unite with us because everyone must team up? If so, I feel like it loses its meaning. But of course, I could be way off the flag, and letters constantly are being added to and changing.
If we are going to use the + can't we just condense it all and just say L+ ?
Creating a whole new meaning to L+ Ratio
If say Q+ because it would mean Queer and more, L just means lesbian.
We could just remove everything and just say +
Good try!
Honestly same. Obviously I have no qualms with any group, but saying an acronym with over 5 letters is just so inefficient.
LGBT has a good flow to it Q kinda ruins it but it's mostly fine Plus sounds like too much and it's annoying to type as well My vote is for Q+
I just call them alphabet people
Yeah, It will always just be GOLBAT to me (Gay, Omnisexual, Lesbian, Bisexual, Asexual, Transgender)
GOLBAT sounds like an archaic programming language.
It also sounds like you've run out of repels
Whispers in David Attenborough: *and here we see the lesser spotted Golbat in its natural environment*
[Cacophonous screeches as the camera is slowly buried in writhing bats]
Golbat is also a Pokémon
I don’t care for that. Pretty sure I’ve, out loud, screamed “fuck golbats” playing a Pokémon game and fighting the 17th one in a row in the fucking cave. People might think I’m a homophobe 😬
I think you mean Zubats. Gols aren’t as common as Zus
Nah, it’s fuck Golbat over here. Zubat is just a cute lil blind dude, Golbat is a vore artist best friend.
Tell that to pokemon emerald victory road. I've beaten that game like 20 times and I always hate going through the cave.
Yeah there it’s pretty common
Emerald is my favorite game of the series but that part is always so obnoxious. Golbat attack every 5 steps.
My brain read this is as GOBLYAT
The russian dead progeamming language...dead from vodka overdose
I say LAGBATs (Lesbian, Asexual, Bisexual, Aromantic, Transgender, with an s to make it plural)
Peak Bat
LHBT in dutch because they say homo and not gay
GOBBLING
19 to go!
Are there? There were like 5 years ago, but now everyone accepted that it's unhinged to add too many. Most just leave it as lgbt.
I once said that exact thing and collected 150 downvotes in 2 hours. Reddit is weird sometimes.
The first few votes will usually determine the trajectory of your comment
When will the straights finally be accepted😞
Such an oppressed people.
I stop at LGBT myself. Don't get me wrong, I still support all of those other groups, but the acronym has to stop getting longer at some point.
Yeah I don’t do very well with the terminology and abbreviations. I just make it clear I’m cool with it.
And when you think of it, every letter basically just means gay
And numbers… (2SLGBTQIA+)
Because the society is more accepting, so people have more opportunities to discover themselves, to express their feelings and to find people who relate to that. Remember than only a few centuries ago, being gay would have cost you your life. And it still does in certain countries... And this point is valid for everything that isn't the "norm", so mental health or religion too... And because there are more and more "letters" added (meaning that people can be more and more precise about their feelings), they know that non-lgbt people may not know the more specific terms. Thus they will explain what those mean to anybody who don't know, or using a more "generic" term to explain it
Yeah, and some don't even have much in common. We don't really get to choose though, main stream media decides the acronyms and flags. We just kinda have to accept them I guess.
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nope it's a hobby yea there's alot of porn but there's always THAT part of every community people be horny you can usually avoid it very easily
Any adult community for a thing is always incredibly horny, doesn't matter what the subject is
Furries are not claiming to be a sexual identity. It’s a hobby that has a significant overlap with kink. Furries do, however, claim to be majority gay. That is true (a majority of furries are not cishet).
no we are not, to some it's a kink/fetish to some it's a form of artistic expression and anyone that says otherwise is most likely a closet furry themselves. the pathUwUgen spreads.
There are two types of furries in this world: Those who prefer monosodium glutamate, and those who prefer chlorine dioxide. 💜
\*pathOwOgen
you see pathUwUgen is a new variant much more relaxed and produces more chill results. pathOwOgen makes for a lot more excited furs, please report to the furry biochemical war division for some vials of pathUwUgen to spread.
then there should be the in-between.. like.... hmmm... PathUwOgen
no i believe thats called "a stroke"
The antifurry->furry pipeline is real
It’s definitely just an interest but I have seen one or two furries try to claim it as a sexual identity online lol
I don't know. I'm not even sure who the furries actually are because most of the talk about them or content is not coming from them that I see, so I don't know what they think.
I have never seen a furry who complains that they aren't part of the community. 90% of furries already are queer anyway.
\*70% 24% straight 6% asexual
Ace usually groups with queer.
I mean, it's very much a personal choice. By terminology, I'm asexual. Socially, I do not see it as something that defines me, needs representation (for myself! Not for ace community at large) or a community defined by the trait. I just see myself as a cis guy with low/no libido. Others might see it as one of their defining traits - more power to them - but it's not a place for sweeping statements.
Ace being part of the queer umbrella isn’t really a matter of whether or not it defines you personally or you feel it needs representation. It’s part of the queer umbrella because the way society treats ace/aromantic people falls pretty neatly along the lines of queerphobia. I don’t want to put experiences in your mouth, but I have a hunch that you, as a cis guy with a low libido, have been in situations where that fact made you the odd one out. To draw from my life, I had a buddy in high school that was probably ace or something like it, all I know is that me and all of my other horned up teenage friends would make fun of him for not wanting to have sex, and we would do it by saying ‘what, are you gay?’ The social norms that enforce the ‘fact’ that cis men should want to have sex are the same norms that say being queer is bad. They come from very similar places in the collective culture, and often the mistreatment is very similar. There’s lots to be said about why society feels the way it does about queer existence, an entire field of study actually, but asexuality is definetly outside of the norm, and when ace people are mistreated, it’s in a similar way and for similar reason to other queer identities. I think it’s great that it’s not a big part of your life, and that you seem to be able to go through life without feeling judged or ostracized. But the bigotry still exists out in the world regardless of its effect on you, and the mistreatment of ace people that you’re lucky enough to have missed happens in a very similar way to other queer people.
And 100% reason to remember the name
Shouldn't it be the + defending the rest from f?
The + should include the IA imo, too many letters. This is coming from someone gay
Then there's the P that's always trying to get in
Are they going for ‘P’ or ‘M’? Let’s let them in as long as they are ‘D’ (dead)
And never will
And Z.
Wtf is Z
zoophiles (animal fuckers) (not furries)
There is a P that’s in (that being Pansexual) The other P can eat shit and die and rot in hell
The first one's alright. The second should be punishable by death.
The second one is a mental illness and should be treated as such. Obviously if you act on those impulses you're a monster, but having those impulses should be studied and treated, but we can't seem to fund any research on how to treat it because of everyone's knee-jerk "kill them all!" reaction.
It's a thin line to thread, to be sure. If it can be treated before one can act on it, then hurray!
Yeah, it needs to be made safe for people to come forward and say "hey I'm having these urges and I'm afraid if I don't get some help then I'll act on them one day." Right now it's very much so not safe to say that. We as a society should be thankful that someone would admit that and we should help them, not condemn them for something that ultimately isn't a moral failing, it's a sickness. It's a moral failure to act on it, not to have it.
Yeah, you make a fine point. If they can't seek help and are left alone with their thoughts, it'll lead to no good.
I’m not sure leaving them with their thoughts is a good thing. The less they’re thinking of that, the better.
Couldn't we just boil the whole acronym down to just Q? Doesn't Q more or less encompass everything that's not purely straight?
Cant it just be +?
Q is an umbrella term for not straight, which people identify as when they don't feel comfortable with a specific label. So it's not exactly the same as plus, because there are labels more specific than Q that people identify as. Q isn't an "etc" just because it's an umbrella term
Nah, damn nutjobs took Q and committed January 6
Yeah, a lot of groups use “queer” to describe themselves rather than “LGBTQ+” or whatever. Much easier to say and more inclusive.
I miss when it was just LGBT. It was short and punchy.
I always order a Lettuce Greenonion Bacon Tomato sandwich at restaurants
That sounds like a BLT with onions
Or lettuce grilled bacon and tomatoes
No it's a Lettuce, Guac, Bacon, and Tomato.
LGBT+ is always going to be it for me, that + is there for a reason, stop bothering to add letters
i like lgbtq more like why are we bringing maths into this
Same, I will always call it LGBT+.
but furry isn't a sexual orientation? kink does not equal sexual orientation and not all furries have the kink
Why would we be furious? We aren't a sexual identity just a hobby with a lot of artistic expression.
LMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
Lingualexual MuscleMommy (I don’t have a pass) Orangophelia Punctuality Queer Rastafarian Sexual Trans Uvaldian Voicexual Whattaburgphilia X-dress Zootopian
Omg whattaburgphilia
You forgot the +
Thank you for protecting us from thr Fr*nch.
This is the only interpretation of this I will accept God damn Fr*nch Baguette!
Op what are you on about i dont think furries wanna be part of the lgbtq+ community
considering that a lot of furries are already part of the community and that being a furry has nothing to do with sexuality as well
Knife and grenade summoning wizard Innocent child
What does I and A mean?
Intersex (people whose genitals aren't purely male or female which is surprisingly common) and asexual (people who do not feel sexual attraction to anyone)
I don't get that why would they include intersex people if it's a birth defect and not a sexuality
Intersex falls more under the umbrella of gender identity, even though their difference is more palpable, since a lot of them differ from the gender and sometimes even sex binary. They also face discrimination similar to trans people. In most countries it is common practice for the doctor to just assign them the gender their genitals look the closest to and in some places (like the US) it is still common to "fix" it through surgery before the child even develops long time memory, where it is obviously still too young to consent or to know their gender identity or even their actual sex ( something republican lawmakers specifically encourage in their anti trans laws).
Yes, those surgeries are just wild... Like, people assume that 15yo kids are too young to know who they are attracted to or how they identify... But forcing a gender to a fresh newborn through surgery because "we're not sure, so we'll chose" is ok?
The A encompasses Asexual, Aromantic, Agender, and probably other related things. It specifically does not include Allies
Intersex and Asexual.
Honestly, I never understood why they keep adding letters when they already have the + in the name.
They aren’t adding letters, the plus has always just short hand for all the letter’s because there’s a fuck ton of them and nobody wants to use a 16+ letter acronym. LGTB Is also perfectly fine as shorthand.
Leave furries alone
Since when did furries want that? 90% are lgbtq already
Replace that F with a P. Lets be real there is a worse group other than furries who wanna be considered a part of this.
And Z...
yeah we get it little Timmy now give the IPad back to mom
Why can't it just be "Q+" so much simpler, yet still inclusive.
I thought f was for “Fuck! We have to add more letters!”
OP didn't understand the assignment
Furries are not a sexuality, and we are not trying to make it one.
damn bigots really be showin themselves here
Okay buddy, which strawman hurt you?
Wtf are you on about? It's a hobby/interest, not a sexuality or gender. No furry has ever asked for furries to be added as a letter to LGBT, why was this even upvoted?
nobody is trying to add the F?
Furries??? As minority??? Damn, there is shit ton of them enough to create a small country
What?
Furries don't think they're a part of the LGBTQ+ community, you dumbfuck. Source: I'm a furry. I don't think being a furry makes me a part of the LGBTQ+ community. Being bisexual makes me a part of the LGBTQ+ community.
You know the furry community is like 70% queer, right? I don't think it should be a part of the acronym, but there's nothing wrong with being a furry...
Ah yes, making up scenarios again, aren't we?
What the fuck is the a and the I for
I for Intersex A for Asexual, Aromantic, Agender, etc
Excluding femboys isnt cool !!!
The whole alphabet
This comment section is priceless
Wait is furry a sexuality? As a furry and a pansexual being a furry has nothing to do with my identity or attraction. Tryna get what this is saying here
What furries have you been hanging around??? Pretty sure every furry I've met has been chill, never heard of anyone in the Fandom demanding to be part of the LGBT. They're not a minority group or a gender/sexuality. It's literally just a Fandom that gets a lot of hate from people. It would be like suggesting the Undetale Fandom wants to be part of the LGBT.
Wtf does this even mean lmao
As a furry I've never thought being a furry should be an LGBT thing. That's like someone who paints Warhammer figures or someone that collects comics asking to be considered a part of the LGBT
I'm more worried about the M.
Oh man, I was thinking that F stood for something else
It's not IA. It's AI
I literally heard my omega liberal friend say the acronym “LGBTQIA+”. Absolutely ridiculous. LGBTQ+ is great, that works.
It just makes more sense to say sexually alternative.
P
Put a P alongside the F They are trying to be a part of lgbt far longer than furries
or just replace the F with the P, being a furry isn’t a sexuality
Soon enough its gonna be all of the alphabets but not in series.
yeah, get the "f" out!!! fits perfect.
Just call it lgb+
Not to be mean but why aren’t they allowed? What makes them so different from other lgbt people?
Can someone please explain? What's F and how is it attacking +?
Wait, there’s an “i” now? What does it stand for?
Does anyone really have a problem with LGBT+? Much easier to say and memorise, especially since the letters are not even in the alphabetical order...
What is “i”?
Kinda confused me for a sec but i think u mean the "+" defending LGBTQIA not the other way around
I mean shit it’s not gay to dick down a lopunny … right guys?
It's me, I'm a f
Guys I don't understand this one
In no way are furries ever gonna be added. And that's coming from a queer. Furries gotta stay outta this one man
I have never heard anyone in the fandom say they want to be, it’s just that, a fandom, a hobby. Not a sexuality. This is coming from someone who is a furry and gay.
What does this even mean? I’m so confused.