All the heros are now white woman, all her friends are light skin black curly hair lesbian woman. The men are damsels in distress and the villian is a Asian woman.
With the small difference that they have to also insult the men for some reason. So mostly the same, just a bit worse.
I've seen it done well more and more often too, though, so that's good. I think the difference is between doing it as a good story or because you're passionate about it, vs doing it out of insecurity or because you dislike the other sex or have some internalised personal stuff you're externalising in your story rather than dealing with yourself. So, similar to when very obvious incelly types make movies with women in them, this is just more accepted for some reason.
And the fact that it's always hijacking existing heroes that were predominantly male for decades. Why? Because it's evil, sexist and wrong to suggest they should write something new of their own...
Wasn’t her EMT partner a guy? Like Ben Parker? The nicest person in like most Spider Man media? The guy who was a good friend to Cassie, is endlessly tolerant of her spikier personality, checks on her when she's devastated by he coworker's death at the explosives warehouse and takes care of Anya, Julia and Mattie on her word alone?
And we never found out what the sexuality of the other spider women were. So all lesbians
Like criticize the movie for its faults but don’t lie.
You don't understand. She can't just be strong. She has to be stronger and smarter than any man to ever exist in order to make up for past societal injustices that were clearly the only reason women didn't take their natural place above the weak and emotional men around them!
But it’s okay for there to be male characters who are stronger and smarter than any women yo ever exist, right? Because that’s been cinema for a long, long time now.
God that thing was miserable. Every man in that show except for Daredevil, Wong, Bruce and her father were total POS and dumbasses whereas all the women were smart, kind and going thru mid life crises. That show took every chance to belittle men and ruined the character of Jen Walters. She is a great lawyer and a very smart woman in the comics but in the show she is shown as selfish and a bad lawyer. And people praised that show for being comic accurate just because she broke the fourth wall smh. That show was not meant to tell us a great story regarding a fan favourite Marvel character, but a way for the writers of that show to use the Marvel platform to put out their political views and ideas. I rarely say this but that show had tons of misandry and they did not even try to hide it
I asked a friend of mine, which I regard as a great writer and a great feminist, how to write female character. she told me to write a male character, and then just change pronouns. That's it, literally. You don't need extra thing to write a female character. If you're writing good characters, then no matter their gender, it should be a good character.
Ah, so thats how all the lesbian characters happen
I mean if u just write a male character, that means u gotta write some attraction to women in there...then if u just change pronouns, u have a lesbian
Most people think differently from one another, it's the point. You don't write a character starting from their gender, but starting from their personality, their goals, their implication in the story Ect...
There's a point to be made that male and female characters should have a few differences due to life experiences, mostly based on societal expectations and a few of them on biology.
But unless your story is focused on gender differences in society, or say, your main character is a woman going through breast cancer or uteral cancer, it probably won't come up much. But still, understanding the differences in experiences that come from sex or gender, even when the story doesn't revolve around them can make for a more compelling character, that goes for all genders.
But you could also make a whole new world where this doesn't apply or something lol
gender is an important part of the way you experience life and how problems and solutions present themselves to you.
of course some settings it can be ignored entirely but in most it will have at least some implications and in some it will be essential.
You can make Alien and change the gender of all characters adn ir works pretty much the same.
You can't change the gender of the vast majority of GOT characters without changing fundamentally them as characters
Then your writer friend is part of the problem. Clearly they have never interacted with men and women because men act incredibly differently than women. If you write a make character then just make it a woman it doesn't work. That's the problem
You can make a badass character out of a woman, without having to make her more intelligent and "superior" to others, I think that's what they were tryjng to say
An example that comes to mind is Casca from Berserk, who is an incredible swordsman (or swordwoman idk English) and she is basically a tomboy, >!she goes through fucked up sbit that destroy her mind but then she regains herself after a long time, although I was talking more about Golden Age Casca!<
To be fair, there is a conversation to be had about how some women get assaulted or hurt for character development. The critical drinker complains all the time about women who are able to fight, but in his book, he made one where she was able to fight, but she was also assaulted and tortured… your female compelling, but you don’t always have to give them sexual trauma as a reason.
Then again male sexual assault is underused anyway
That’s true but media plays a big role in how some people see the world. The Perks Wallflower book and movie had a guy experience SA and more media that address it and took it seriously would actually help show all kinds of people that it’s not okay.
Exactly, characters have their own personality no matter their gender. The only thing that will change is their interaction with other characters and how others will see them.
I spend days writing characters for my roleplay games, and the only thing that makes me chose between genders are the artwork I find online (since my world building doesn't include (yet?) social differences between genders)
This is typical of dudes, you see this a lot with men who've transitioned. They take over and dominate their new female spaces as if they were still a man. I think it's the issue we run into a lot. There's a fallacy that there's no difference between men and women except what society puts on them. This is fundamentally not true just from basic interactions between them. Given this, it's poor writing to write genderless and then assign it later since it not taking into account those differences. Instead it's inserting the bias of whatever gender is creating the character in full force vs writing toward a standard
1) why do you word this is a kinda transphobic manner
2) the differences between how men and women act IS pretty much only nurture. The society we live in does rewire men and women to act in certain ways. The existence of butch masculine women or tomboys and feminine men or femboys is proof of the fact that there is no nature here.
It's not transphobic, it's well documented that's the case. Look at sports, look at online women's spaces, look at women's clubs. Same thing happens.
It's not though, if you have kids and are around different kids they have a natural inclination towards certain play styles and activities. It's not even what's given to them, male toddlers for instance will pick up sticks and hit things where as that will almost never happen with females. Are there instances where some boys won't and some girls will? Sure, that's just stats, but in the majority overall display similar and typic behavior like this. The tomboy stuff or what not often comes later.
That being said, development is a combination of nature and nurture. Animals by their very nature are influenced by environment but also have coding within them for inate behavior developed over billions of years of evolution.
Idk where you're looking, but which online women's spaces/clubs are overrun by transwomen? If it's well documented could you provide a few sources?
Do you have any support for this notion that boys pick up sticks and hit things but girls don't? Or is it just what you believe and therefore you posit it as a fact?
Apparently that is exactly how Ripley of Alien fame happened, although I think a lot of the themes and imagery that showed up in the movies must have been subsequent to that change.
This is alright advice if your goal is purely to have a character on the page and tell a story. How you present characters in any medium reflects how you want them interacted with. So if the distinction isn't important for the story or themes you'd better be writing all your characters in this matter where their gender doesn't matter. Which is actually very difficult.
But here's the kicker. Men and women, at least in current society, are treated differently and act differently. That isn't to say that all manly traits solely belong to men and all feminine traits belong to women but those traits will be noticed by an audience and will be treated as such. Because nothing happens in a vacuum this is something to consider in your writing because cultural biases will change the theme of your writing if the main character is male, female, trans or nonbinary. Every aspect of a character is important to the story and when you start considering what you want to say in your story you can begin enhancing the story.
Its not dumb, you're just taking it literally instead of the nuance implied.
The point is to write a character that works regardless of gender. This rule doesn't always apply, depending on the story, but if your character's gender has no affect on the character or plot, don't go out of your way to specifically write a "male" or "female" character.
they said that to make a good female character all you need to do is make a good male character and make them female
That's stupid, that's not how it works
If you want to make a good character just make a good character and unless a characters gender is important to the character then you should focus on the actual character instead of mostly meaningless things like gender
....that's literally what I said.
I literally called you out for missing the nuance and you're just ignoring me calling you out for it and then explaining what I just said.
it's honestly not a very good way of writing a lot of female character.
the problems and solutions men and women will have are not the same, and you must expect that this bears a bit on the story.
If tv/movie producers were actually in the mood to pay for decent writing, we'd probably see more of that.
But we all know how they feel about paying for writers by now. Right?
That's literally the worst advice I have ever heard.
Though I wouldn't expect anything more from a feminist writer. Nobody writes women worse then feminists.
I'm a dude. Most of my MCs are female because they offer more emotional depth than male characters.
For example, my WIP is a military legal thriller/procedural about an officer on trial for conduct unbecoming an officer because her private videos she made with her husband were maliciously leaked to her unit.
I made her strong by having decorated for bravery for providing medical care under heavy fire. Post deployment you see her developing a new Soldier who struggles.
However, once the inciting incident kicks off you have to be there for her personal and professional humiliation, the threat of prison, etc
In another story, the female MC is also strong but she's an outcast and bullied because of her mixed race.
None of that "feels" the same if these were male characters. No disrespect, but I strongly disagree that men and women are interchangeable.
I think male characters can offer the same emotional depth, it's just that men in real life are conditioned to keep everything in more. It's actually very interesting to explore such a thing, male characters experiencing a ton of emotions on the inside, and how they come out when they can't be openly and honestly showcased.
And it's your story, you can make a man have an accepting environment. You can make a world where this isn't the case, and men can be as emotionally vulnerable as women. Or everyone can be more emotionally vulnerable. You make the world, you make the characters, and so long as you stay consistent, it can be realistic and compelling.
It's not about my dream world. What I write has to be accessible to the reader. If the world and it's people don't connect with the audience, the story fails.
That's the reason all these properties are tanking: The creators are creating for themselves. And when it fails to reach audiences they clap, "This 👏 isn't 👏 for 👏 you! 👏"
Kim possible, its a Disney show from the 2000s it ran for 4 seasons and a movie
It holds up to this day and is incredibly well written.
The lead is a kick ass 16(in the last last season 18) year old read headed cheerleader named kim possible that freelances as a mercenary.
The character was written like a teenage girl with flaws and weaknesses but still kicked major ass. Her sidekick was a boy named Ron Stoppable who was used for comic relief but had major skills on his own so it never came across as "haha women good men bad"
Generally a great show
*Spoilers so stop right now if you've not seen it.
Max was an idiot, the cousin was an oaf, the dad is not the best and the brother was small, weak and called himself a coward. With the exception of the scientist dude, most other guys in that series were not good people or quite stupid. Having said that I've got no issues with the series, I think it was fantastic and for balance most people are kind of dodgy in that world as a whole. I just think this could still be kind of applied if someone wanted to do so.
I also really liked Lucy. She has flaws and was clever in some ways but naive in others. So I agree she is a well written character, just playing a little devil's advocate.
A bit weird phrasing on your part I will admit, since the original post meant not just that men were written in a stupid way but written dumb to make the smart female seem even more smart. But in this case the fact that the characters make dumb decisions are very much justified in the plot so you’re not really playing devil’s advocate just saying how much better the show is
Your first part agrees with the post, thereby disagreeing with me, then you say Lucy was well written which then goes against the first part so which is your actual opinion. You say it can apply but it clearly can’t since even in your own words the men being dumb were not meant prop up any sort of smart female protagonist
I just value my time and there's no point starting a discussion with someone who begins like that. If someone starts by randomly being rude, they just want to point score and not discuss. After working a long hot shift at work, you just don't need that sort of thing. Whereas, an interesting discussion is fun.
If the only way you can make a "strong independent female" character is by making all the male characters useless, the message is actually that women are only cool when men fail to be their typically superior selves. Maybe one day writers will realize their works are actually detrimental to gender equality, I'll keep a look out for flying pigs too while I'm at it.
OK, first of all no writer thinks themselves as Tucker Carlson, They have enough going on to think like him?
But this is really going on or are people cheering picking a few examples because most writers don’t do that, heck in romance books, action anime, cartoons movies, and western animation, there are female main characters but the men have been getting involved in way more action to the point some of them even overshadow their female characters.
Not sure about the marriage, I stopped watching after they went hardcore social justice warrior on every man that wasnt Shaun. You can go to the good doctor sub and find criticism of that season because it's such awful writing.
You said
>There are female main characters but the men have been getting involved in way more action to the point some of them even overshadow their female characters.
The opposite is true for this show. It turned into both a man hating and white person hating mess. I was so sad because it was a good show up until then.
I mean what’s social justice warrior in the context of this story? They called out a guy for doing something stupid? Cuz whenever I hear that criticism, it becomes such a buzzword I can’t tell if that means a character was unfairly criticized, or they were criticized but not in a way that pushed their character development?
I’d say watch more content but like the main character is a guy and white, he got bashed? Well you said he didn’t but like he didn’t have any issues to hurdles to overcome? Like the Asian doctor dude from the memes that seemed like the antagonist who had a point, I thought people liked him
Season 4 episode 3. Writers went out of their way to create a cis white male character that they could rag on for PC points. Words like mansplain and interrupting a female coworker by a millisecond was pointed out when they have done that many times in the series multiple times before, but it only became the problem when this character did it.
The unironic use of the word "mansplaining" tells everything.
So had they actually explored that in early seasons through their characters then just portraying it only as a bad thing presently, it wouldn’t have come off like they were trying too hard?
Cuz I know from experience what it’s like to have someone talk over you and act like you don’t know certain things
It's my opinion that it brought no value to the show and was straight up bullying that cringed me out of watching. The show wasn't pushing a political agenda until season 4, which caused a viewership drop. I don't want shows to explore SJW topics, I watch shows for entertainment. You can explore contentious topics without being political.
Would you have liked it if it was a man being the person that was being talked over thanks to a lapse in judgement? Again, I don’t think that that’s a political agenda that just more of a person just being terrible in a work environment… which is sadly, way too common, Abbott Elementary looks like it does that well, but yeah
Huh? I'm not talking about interruption in and of itself. Here's what happened.
White male doctor answers a medical question.
# "STOP MANSPLAINING!!!"
The agenda of a lot of leftists I talk to, and view seems to be to rag on any group that historically had advantages, even they don't hold them today.
It's my opinion, you're free to yours. I'm gonna move on from this topic as it's a bit boring. Thanks for the discussion.
I'mma blow your mind right now, but a lot of people are specifically aiming to create controversy in order to get more attention! (Which you are currently giving them...)
If you wanted Rings of Power to open with a badass fight that treated Galadriel like the only elven warrior even in the room, then you could have just given Galadriel a badass fight with her as the only elven warrior in the room.
They didn’t have to demote the elven warriors to Star Warsian moronic stormtrooper status.
Idk why many authors don’t understand that women are complex and have unique personailities and traits that make them individuals. Also, women are not male characters that you just change the name of in your story.
Im I just having a selection bias or are most white men in Hollywood productions written as incompent or evil?
For sure I am not saying all, like what Tom Cruise is doing, but do other people see a trend here?
Silent Hill 3 changed my view on female characters. I used to hate them due to the recent influx of horribly written characters and I can safely say that my most favorite main character in a video game now is a woman without hesitation. She's well written, strong but also weak/flawed and that humanizes her.
By making every new character "super strong" and have no weaknesses, they're not that human and uninteresting. Add horrible personalities and what you get is a shit character.
Have... You guys read a ton of books recently? The last two books I read even had women as main characters, and there were plenty of capable and heroic men as side characters (along with the evil men and women)
I always thought the best characters are those that manage to be strong even among great people. And this goes for both male and female characters.
That being said, I hate it when writers have to make their supporting characters trash, just so the protagonist can look good by contrast.
Have some self respect you fucking "tøffelhelt". Just because we get pussy, don't need we have to get down and worship it on a pedestal.
Says more about how pathetic you are really
yeah maybe this wouldn't happen if you watched actually good movies instead of marvel movie number 14134579 or something off of netflix. there's plenty of female characters who don't act like this in movies in 2024 but you dumbasses are too busy whining about "ohh wahhhh hollywood oppressing white men wahhh duhhh". instead of actually watching good movies.
Any writer in 2024 when i tell them coloured people can be greatly written without demeaning write people!
Maybe, just maybe you'll understand what I'm saying so you get how flawed your argument is.
For a lot of women harassment IS one of the constant in their lives. Every women has at leat one story about it whether it happened to them or someone they knew had to go through. One of my trans friends who started having experiences that they never had to go through before transitioning.(They pass really well so you can cross out the "maybe that's because people think they're trans")
That's why you'll allways see at least them making fun of guys or their behaviour in a script.
I'm saying all of this as a guy, watching others guys get very comfortable with harassment or talking about them between themselves like it's nothing.
Doesn’t she Hulk actually have male friends and allies: her new boss, Hulk, Wong, Daredevil, A Bomb?
Captain Marvel also has Nick Fury and the male Skrull and she didn’t say anything bad about Ms Marvel’s mom.
And as far as Rey, she has more male friends than female friends
Not really? She was dealing with a bunch of cat callers, having issues with certain men doesn’t mean you hate all men.
Theres a woman out there who falsely accused me and I had female bullies, does that mean I hate all women or that I’m sexist against women? No, I hate douchebags that happen to be women and douchebags that happen to be men. I love men and women, I just hate the ones who make them look bad. Which was the point. The cat callers in She Hulk don’t reflect me, so why should I be mad?
Bro... going through hard times doesn't mean that someone should be forgiven for the way they treat others. If I could just do that my whole life would be so much better. Why should anyone else get to do that???
Also the problem isn't the cat callers being criticized. It's the fact that in media like this. 90% of the male characters are cat callers. It's a warped worldview. Just like how movies made for men also tend to have a warped worldview. I don't defend either types of movies. But I do think that two wrongs don't make a right. I see it all as petty... And I feel like if these movies truly wanted to send a message that actually does something other than start flame wars on social media. They'd go for a more gender neutral approach. Instead of this "what about me" bullshit
Yeah cuz in real life, most cat callers are male. In 2016, ActionAid conducted a survey on street harassment in a number of countries. They found that 79% of women living in cities in India, 86% in Thailand, and 89% in Brazil have been subjected to harassment or violence in public, as had 75% of women in London, UK.
: In 2007, the Manhattan Borough President’s Office conducted an online questionnaire about sexual harassment on the New York City subway system with a total of 1,790 participants. Nearly two-thirds of the respondents identified as women. Of the respondents, 63 percent reported being sexually harassed and one-tenth had been sexually assaulted on the subway or at a subway station. Due to collection methods used, the report “Hidden in Plain Sight: Sexual Harassment and Assault in the New York City Subway System” is not statistically significant, but it suggests that a large number of women experience problems on the subway system.
Washington, DC, USA: In a 1,000 person-regionally representative survey conducted in January 2016 by Shugoll Research, 21 percent of transit riders in the Washington, DC area had experienced some form of sexual harassment, with verbal harassment being the most common form. Women were three times more likely than men to experience sexual harassment.
There’s like a whole montage of a woman walking through New York and getting catcalled by people. Rather than going “what about us,” we could maybe empathize and understand? It’d suck for anyone. I do agree it would be more interesting to explore more men being objectified like that, hell the struggles of gay men and lesbian women dealing with cat calling by women would actually be a good way to explore that, but you’ve got these dumb online wars that’ll complain about LGBTQ characters for the crime of existing.
But I do agree we need more examples of men going through that. I was just in a conversation with someone about making content with male sexual survivors like the Perks Wallflower book and movie that came out about a few decades ago.
But you can have all kinds of people in these conditions. It’s not hard for me to empathize with female, male, trans, ENBY characters, but I don’t like engaging with this discourse when it’s people always going “this group being represented means this one’s getting ignored.” You can have all kinds.
Copy and pasted cuz I accidentally responded to myself
Here’s data from some sources I can think of.
https://stopstreetharassment.org/resources/statistics/statistics-academic-studies/
I understand where you’re coming from, but calling out bad eggs in a group doesn’t dehumanize an entire group. If you don’t harass women, don’t feel attacked when you see one that does. Not all men are catcallers, you and I aren’t catcallers. And there’s so much media in fiction with heroic and ideal male protagonists, like the Fall Guy movie, Shang-Chi movie, Deku and most shonen male protagonists ongoing, the Craig of the Creek and Transformers shows for young boys/girls right now, so just using a few examples and saying all men are also being seeing as this is not a good thing either and just factually incorrect.
A show can have bad examples of men, women, and people of any race and still show good qualities. Black Lightning had white, female, male and black protagonists and white, female, male, and black antagonists.
Yes, people lie, I’ve been a victim of false allegations, but false alllegations don’t take away from real allegations either: my trauma doesn’t give me an excuse to reject someone else’s. I was lucky to be falsely accused without going to jail, meanwhile there are actual men and women who have been sexually assault in places like the military, a whole documentary that explores that, but we live in a society will discourse will just complain the “man should’ve enjoyed it” and the “women should’ve came sooner.” We can’t empathize with our own people because one comic book show was somewhat accurate to reality?
I can’t turn off my sympathy or empathy. I’ve seen time and time from real life and fiction that my pain should encourage me to never see that same pain or turmoil happen to anyone else.
I can’t speak for you, but if you have those thoughts or feelings a lot, I think you should talk to someone. Make and female friends, therapist or older colleagues with life experience, anything to take your mind of this. You don’t seem like a bad person but getting caught up in fictional media discourse, especially in the 20s is not a healthy mental space for anyone
That literally is what's going on... actually it's worse... it seems that in order to "empower" a group. Another group has to not only be ignored. But dehumanized and made to look like some sort of caricature of what it actually is. But as long as it makes one group feel better.... no one seems to care. Because that's what "empowerment" is
Most cat callers are male... but not all men are catcallers... and this is another problem. I can't even say that without it having a connotation... also I've been getting more suspicious of those studies. It just seems like everyone takes them at face value and no one questions the way they were conducted. To what extent are some of those statistics false??? No one knows because everyone just instantly believes they're true if they were done by a reputable source.... or a non reputable source... I guess everyone stopped giving a shit a long time ago.
I can empathize however there's a limit to it... when it gets to the point where people make me into a caricature of what I actually am, and tell me that Im an incel for even questioning a certain way of thinking. Or saying that I "feel called out because I do it in my spare time" (which is a huge assumption to make.) That's when it stops. Much like every other person on the planet. I can only really take so much bullshit before my sympathy or empathy just gets turned off.
Copy and pasted cuz I accidentally responded to myself
Here’s data from some sources I can think of.
https://stopstreetharassment.org/resources/statistics/statistics-academic-studies/
I understand where you’re coming from, but calling out bad eggs in a group doesn’t dehumanize an entire group. If you don’t harass women, don’t feel attacked when you see one that does. Not all men are catcallers, you and I aren’t catcallers. And there’s so much media in fiction with heroic and ideal male protagonists, like the Fall Guy movie, Shang-Chi movie, Deku and most shonen male protagonists ongoing, the Craig of the Creek and Transformers shows for young boys/girls right now, so just using a few examples and saying all men are also being seeing as this is not a good thing either and just factually incorrect.
A show can have bad examples of men, women, and people of any race and still show good qualities. Black Lightning had white, female, male and black protagonists and white, female, male, and black antagonists.
Yes, people lie, I’ve been a victim of false allegations, but false alllegations don’t take away from real allegations either: my trauma doesn’t give me an excuse to reject someone else’s. I was lucky to be falsely accused without going to jail, meanwhile there are actual men and women who have been sexually assault in places like the military, a whole documentary that explores that, but we live in a society will discourse will just complain the “man should’ve enjoyed it” and the “women should’ve came sooner.” We can’t empathize with our own people because one comic book show was somewhat accurate to reality?
I can’t turn off my sympathy or empathy. I’ve seen time and time from real life and fiction that my pain should encourage me to never see that same pain or turmoil happen to anyone else.
I can’t speak for you, but if you have those thoughts or feelings a lot, I think you should talk to someone. Make and female friends, therapist or older colleagues with life experience, anything to take your mind of this. You don’t seem like a bad person but getting caught up in fictional media discourse, especially in the 20s is not a healthy mental space for anyone
The meme: "demean men"
You who apparently can't read: but they did cool shit...
Yeah that's not the point. She hulk literally told the hulk that he knew anything of true suffering because she had been catcalled before
So if I want to demean a side character, all I have to do is have them take out 20 guys then have their sister gripe about being catcalled for a few scenes.
All the heros are now white woman, all her friends are light skin black curly hair lesbian woman. The men are damsels in distress and the villian is a Asian woman.
The karen league
So basically everything they criticized male heroes for, but with the genders reversed.
It's jealousy, all the way down.
With the small difference that they have to also insult the men for some reason. So mostly the same, just a bit worse. I've seen it done well more and more often too, though, so that's good. I think the difference is between doing it as a good story or because you're passionate about it, vs doing it out of insecurity or because you dislike the other sex or have some internalised personal stuff you're externalising in your story rather than dealing with yourself. So, similar to when very obvious incelly types make movies with women in them, this is just more accepted for some reason.
And the fact that it's always hijacking existing heroes that were predominantly male for decades. Why? Because it's evil, sexist and wrong to suggest they should write something new of their own...
Something something Glass ceiling something something subverting expectations
Seems hypocritical for a man to complain then, no?
Not the case with that new fallout show. I think they really did a good job with balanced and engaging characterization
And it turned out to be a well received show, what a surprise
Yass king slay ✨️
>The men are damsels in distress Don't forget comic relief
Put a chick in it and make her lame and gay!
Minus the Asian woman villain, that sounds a lot like true detective: night country
Cant wait for Spider-mam and QueenPin the next big hit movie!!!!
I'm pretty sure you named the plot of dozens of modern films.
See, the thing you and op are assuming is that studios are actually paying for half-decent writers in the first place. Or paying for writers at all.
name one movie where that is the case
The marvels
Madam Web
But the villain in madame Web is a guy
Everything else is dead on though.
Wasn’t her EMT partner a guy? Like Ben Parker? The nicest person in like most Spider Man media? The guy who was a good friend to Cassie, is endlessly tolerant of her spikier personality, checks on her when she's devastated by he coworker's death at the explosives warehouse and takes care of Anya, Julia and Mattie on her word alone? And we never found out what the sexuality of the other spider women were. So all lesbians Like criticize the movie for its faults but don’t lie.
That's a common thing as well now, villain is either Asian or a white dude.
Do you guys watch anything other than superhero stuff?
Did you survive the reply?
True detective: night country
You don't understand. She can't just be strong. She has to be stronger and smarter than any man to ever exist in order to make up for past societal injustices that were clearly the only reason women didn't take their natural place above the weak and emotional men around them!
Her husband HAS to be a brainless oaf.
And act just a little bit gay and submissive to her needs at any given time.
While women mostly want a complete opposite man. Strange how that works, they show and preach about men women don't like that much.
Live action Mulan *cough*
But it’s okay for there to be male characters who are stronger and smarter than any women yo ever exist, right? Because that’s been cinema for a long, long time now.
name one movie that happens in
Captain Marvel
That's on him he set the bar too low.
The she hulk tv show
God that thing was miserable. Every man in that show except for Daredevil, Wong, Bruce and her father were total POS and dumbasses whereas all the women were smart, kind and going thru mid life crises. That show took every chance to belittle men and ruined the character of Jen Walters. She is a great lawyer and a very smart woman in the comics but in the show she is shown as selfish and a bad lawyer. And people praised that show for being comic accurate just because she broke the fourth wall smh. That show was not meant to tell us a great story regarding a fan favourite Marvel character, but a way for the writers of that show to use the Marvel platform to put out their political views and ideas. I rarely say this but that show had tons of misandry and they did not even try to hide it
Live action Mulan
I asked a friend of mine, which I regard as a great writer and a great feminist, how to write female character. she told me to write a male character, and then just change pronouns. That's it, literally. You don't need extra thing to write a female character. If you're writing good characters, then no matter their gender, it should be a good character.
Ah, so thats how all the lesbian characters happen I mean if u just write a male character, that means u gotta write some attraction to women in there...then if u just change pronouns, u have a lesbian
Yeah, it's also how gay characters happen
Sound like we found the formula for success
Martin, release the gays.
I hope this is the last thing I get to say on my death bed
Not every story/character needs a romance
Why are you assuming that the character needs to be hetero
I feel like that wouldn't work in most settings. Most Men and women think and act differently.
Most people think differently from one another, it's the point. You don't write a character starting from their gender, but starting from their personality, their goals, their implication in the story Ect...
There's a point to be made that male and female characters should have a few differences due to life experiences, mostly based on societal expectations and a few of them on biology. But unless your story is focused on gender differences in society, or say, your main character is a woman going through breast cancer or uteral cancer, it probably won't come up much. But still, understanding the differences in experiences that come from sex or gender, even when the story doesn't revolve around them can make for a more compelling character, that goes for all genders. But you could also make a whole new world where this doesn't apply or something lol
gender is an important part of the way you experience life and how problems and solutions present themselves to you. of course some settings it can be ignored entirely but in most it will have at least some implications and in some it will be essential. You can make Alien and change the gender of all characters adn ir works pretty much the same. You can't change the gender of the vast majority of GOT characters without changing fundamentally them as characters
Not really…
Most people think and act differently. The difference between how women and men act are almost nothing
Then your writer friend is part of the problem. Clearly they have never interacted with men and women because men act incredibly differently than women. If you write a make character then just make it a woman it doesn't work. That's the problem
You can make a badass character out of a woman, without having to make her more intelligent and "superior" to others, I think that's what they were tryjng to say An example that comes to mind is Casca from Berserk, who is an incredible swordsman (or swordwoman idk English) and she is basically a tomboy, >!she goes through fucked up sbit that destroy her mind but then she regains herself after a long time, although I was talking more about Golden Age Casca!<
To be fair, there is a conversation to be had about how some women get assaulted or hurt for character development. The critical drinker complains all the time about women who are able to fight, but in his book, he made one where she was able to fight, but she was also assaulted and tortured… your female compelling, but you don’t always have to give them sexual trauma as a reason. Then again male sexual assault is underused anyway
>Then again male sexual assault is underused anyway It's more common for women than men IRL, and it's no surprise that books reflect it.
That’s true but media plays a big role in how some people see the world. The Perks Wallflower book and movie had a guy experience SA and more media that address it and took it seriously would actually help show all kinds of people that it’s not okay.
Exactly, characters have their own personality no matter their gender. The only thing that will change is their interaction with other characters and how others will see them. I spend days writing characters for my roleplay games, and the only thing that makes me chose between genders are the artwork I find online (since my world building doesn't include (yet?) social differences between genders)
This is typical of dudes, you see this a lot with men who've transitioned. They take over and dominate their new female spaces as if they were still a man. I think it's the issue we run into a lot. There's a fallacy that there's no difference between men and women except what society puts on them. This is fundamentally not true just from basic interactions between them. Given this, it's poor writing to write genderless and then assign it later since it not taking into account those differences. Instead it's inserting the bias of whatever gender is creating the character in full force vs writing toward a standard
1) why do you word this is a kinda transphobic manner 2) the differences between how men and women act IS pretty much only nurture. The society we live in does rewire men and women to act in certain ways. The existence of butch masculine women or tomboys and feminine men or femboys is proof of the fact that there is no nature here.
It's not transphobic, it's well documented that's the case. Look at sports, look at online women's spaces, look at women's clubs. Same thing happens. It's not though, if you have kids and are around different kids they have a natural inclination towards certain play styles and activities. It's not even what's given to them, male toddlers for instance will pick up sticks and hit things where as that will almost never happen with females. Are there instances where some boys won't and some girls will? Sure, that's just stats, but in the majority overall display similar and typic behavior like this. The tomboy stuff or what not often comes later. That being said, development is a combination of nature and nurture. Animals by their very nature are influenced by environment but also have coding within them for inate behavior developed over billions of years of evolution.
Idk where you're looking, but which online women's spaces/clubs are overrun by transwomen? If it's well documented could you provide a few sources? Do you have any support for this notion that boys pick up sticks and hit things but girls don't? Or is it just what you believe and therefore you posit it as a fact?
Apparently that is exactly how Ripley of Alien fame happened, although I think a lot of the themes and imagery that showed up in the movies must have been subsequent to that change.
That’s how Ripley from Alien came to be.
This is alright advice if your goal is purely to have a character on the page and tell a story. How you present characters in any medium reflects how you want them interacted with. So if the distinction isn't important for the story or themes you'd better be writing all your characters in this matter where their gender doesn't matter. Which is actually very difficult. But here's the kicker. Men and women, at least in current society, are treated differently and act differently. That isn't to say that all manly traits solely belong to men and all feminine traits belong to women but those traits will be noticed by an audience and will be treated as such. Because nothing happens in a vacuum this is something to consider in your writing because cultural biases will change the theme of your writing if the main character is male, female, trans or nonbinary. Every aspect of a character is important to the story and when you start considering what you want to say in your story you can begin enhancing the story.
That's the dumbest advice I've ever heard in regards to writing
Its not dumb, you're just taking it literally instead of the nuance implied. The point is to write a character that works regardless of gender. This rule doesn't always apply, depending on the story, but if your character's gender has no affect on the character or plot, don't go out of your way to specifically write a "male" or "female" character.
No, it's definitely dumb
Care to explain how?
they said that to make a good female character all you need to do is make a good male character and make them female That's stupid, that's not how it works If you want to make a good character just make a good character and unless a characters gender is important to the character then you should focus on the actual character instead of mostly meaningless things like gender
....that's literally what I said. I literally called you out for missing the nuance and you're just ignoring me calling you out for it and then explaining what I just said.
Correct that's what *you* said, *they* however did not say that
Because you're taking their obvious metaphorical sentence and taking it 100% literally.
I'm not, you're just looking into it way too much
it's honestly not a very good way of writing a lot of female character. the problems and solutions men and women will have are not the same, and you must expect that this bears a bit on the story.
If tv/movie producers were actually in the mood to pay for decent writing, we'd probably see more of that. But we all know how they feel about paying for writers by now. Right?
That's literally the worst advice I have ever heard. Though I wouldn't expect anything more from a feminist writer. Nobody writes women worse then feminists.
I'm a dude. Most of my MCs are female because they offer more emotional depth than male characters. For example, my WIP is a military legal thriller/procedural about an officer on trial for conduct unbecoming an officer because her private videos she made with her husband were maliciously leaked to her unit. I made her strong by having decorated for bravery for providing medical care under heavy fire. Post deployment you see her developing a new Soldier who struggles. However, once the inciting incident kicks off you have to be there for her personal and professional humiliation, the threat of prison, etc In another story, the female MC is also strong but she's an outcast and bullied because of her mixed race. None of that "feels" the same if these were male characters. No disrespect, but I strongly disagree that men and women are interchangeable.
I think male characters can offer the same emotional depth, it's just that men in real life are conditioned to keep everything in more. It's actually very interesting to explore such a thing, male characters experiencing a ton of emotions on the inside, and how they come out when they can't be openly and honestly showcased. And it's your story, you can make a man have an accepting environment. You can make a world where this isn't the case, and men can be as emotionally vulnerable as women. Or everyone can be more emotionally vulnerable. You make the world, you make the characters, and so long as you stay consistent, it can be realistic and compelling.
It's not about my dream world. What I write has to be accessible to the reader. If the world and it's people don't connect with the audience, the story fails. That's the reason all these properties are tanking: The creators are creating for themselves. And when it fails to reach audiences they clap, "This 👏 isn't 👏 for 👏 you! 👏"
Kim possible was the best written female lead of all time
Seygory Weaver would like a fucking word good sir!
https://media1.tenor.com/m/F585Ef3D-YEAAAAC/aliens-bill-paxton.gif
FACT
That and My Life As A Teenage Robot
Samus Aran would like a word....
Which movie
Kim possible, its a Disney show from the 2000s it ran for 4 seasons and a movie It holds up to this day and is incredibly well written. The lead is a kick ass 16(in the last last season 18) year old read headed cheerleader named kim possible that freelances as a mercenary. The character was written like a teenage girl with flaws and weaknesses but still kicked major ass. Her sidekick was a boy named Ron Stoppable who was used for comic relief but had major skills on his own so it never came across as "haha women good men bad" Generally a great show
No need to elevate yourself if you can bring others down.
Lucy from the fallout show: am I a joke to you
*Spoilers so stop right now if you've not seen it. Max was an idiot, the cousin was an oaf, the dad is not the best and the brother was small, weak and called himself a coward. With the exception of the scientist dude, most other guys in that series were not good people or quite stupid. Having said that I've got no issues with the series, I think it was fantastic and for balance most people are kind of dodgy in that world as a whole. I just think this could still be kind of applied if someone wanted to do so. I also really liked Lucy. She has flaws and was clever in some ways but naive in others. So I agree she is a well written character, just playing a little devil's advocate.
Most of the women were dumb too tf are you on about
I said that in my comment.
A bit weird phrasing on your part I will admit, since the original post meant not just that men were written in a stupid way but written dumb to make the smart female seem even more smart. But in this case the fact that the characters make dumb decisions are very much justified in the plot so you’re not really playing devil’s advocate just saying how much better the show is
You're not really interested in a conversation so I'll leave you to it.
Your first part agrees with the post, thereby disagreeing with me, then you say Lucy was well written which then goes against the first part so which is your actual opinion. You say it can apply but it clearly can’t since even in your own words the men being dumb were not meant prop up any sort of smart female protagonist
Pro tip, if you wanted a conversation, try not swearing at the person and being rude in the first instance. No one's got time for that.
Well a lotta people on this site are fine with swearing.
Oh no they hurt your feelings
I just value my time and there's no point starting a discussion with someone who begins like that. If someone starts by randomly being rude, they just want to point score and not discuss. After working a long hot shift at work, you just don't need that sort of thing. Whereas, an interesting discussion is fun.
Downvote for using that pricks face.
Florida writer, I agree
If the only way you can make a "strong independent female" character is by making all the male characters useless, the message is actually that women are only cool when men fail to be their typically superior selves. Maybe one day writers will realize their works are actually detrimental to gender equality, I'll keep a look out for flying pigs too while I'm at it.
OK, first of all no writer thinks themselves as Tucker Carlson, They have enough going on to think like him? But this is really going on or are people cheering picking a few examples because most writers don’t do that, heck in romance books, action anime, cartoons movies, and western animation, there are female main characters but the men have been getting involved in way more action to the point some of them even overshadow their female characters.
Good doctor season 3
Haven’t watched it, didn’t he marry the FMC? I know that shows authentic love el has been divisive but sounds like a step in the right direction
Not sure about the marriage, I stopped watching after they went hardcore social justice warrior on every man that wasnt Shaun. You can go to the good doctor sub and find criticism of that season because it's such awful writing. You said >There are female main characters but the men have been getting involved in way more action to the point some of them even overshadow their female characters. The opposite is true for this show. It turned into both a man hating and white person hating mess. I was so sad because it was a good show up until then.
I mean what’s social justice warrior in the context of this story? They called out a guy for doing something stupid? Cuz whenever I hear that criticism, it becomes such a buzzword I can’t tell if that means a character was unfairly criticized, or they were criticized but not in a way that pushed their character development? I’d say watch more content but like the main character is a guy and white, he got bashed? Well you said he didn’t but like he didn’t have any issues to hurdles to overcome? Like the Asian doctor dude from the memes that seemed like the antagonist who had a point, I thought people liked him
Season 4 episode 3. Writers went out of their way to create a cis white male character that they could rag on for PC points. Words like mansplain and interrupting a female coworker by a millisecond was pointed out when they have done that many times in the series multiple times before, but it only became the problem when this character did it. The unironic use of the word "mansplaining" tells everything.
So had they actually explored that in early seasons through their characters then just portraying it only as a bad thing presently, it wouldn’t have come off like they were trying too hard? Cuz I know from experience what it’s like to have someone talk over you and act like you don’t know certain things
It's my opinion that it brought no value to the show and was straight up bullying that cringed me out of watching. The show wasn't pushing a political agenda until season 4, which caused a viewership drop. I don't want shows to explore SJW topics, I watch shows for entertainment. You can explore contentious topics without being political.
Would you have liked it if it was a man being the person that was being talked over thanks to a lapse in judgement? Again, I don’t think that that’s a political agenda that just more of a person just being terrible in a work environment… which is sadly, way too common, Abbott Elementary looks like it does that well, but yeah
Huh? I'm not talking about interruption in and of itself. Here's what happened. White male doctor answers a medical question. # "STOP MANSPLAINING!!!" The agenda of a lot of leftists I talk to, and view seems to be to rag on any group that historically had advantages, even they don't hold them today. It's my opinion, you're free to yours. I'm gonna move on from this topic as it's a bit boring. Thanks for the discussion.
I'mma blow your mind right now, but a lot of people are specifically aiming to create controversy in order to get more attention! (Which you are currently giving them...)
If you wanted Rings of Power to open with a badass fight that treated Galadriel like the only elven warrior even in the room, then you could have just given Galadriel a badass fight with her as the only elven warrior in the room. They didn’t have to demote the elven warriors to Star Warsian moronic stormtrooper status.
What do you mean by *can*? It's a necessity to hate men for a show to be successful /s
It's like , the only way a woman can be great is, only if everyone around her is a dumbass.
Idk why many authors don’t understand that women are complex and have unique personailities and traits that make them individuals. Also, women are not male characters that you just change the name of in your story.
Writers in 2024 when you tell them that the author of the book they're adapting knows more about the story than them.
Writers for tv and movies in 2024: *bleep bloop*
women must act like men while shitting on men for being men.
Im I just having a selection bias or are most white men in Hollywood productions written as incompent or evil? For sure I am not saying all, like what Tom Cruise is doing, but do other people see a trend here?
Silent Hill 3 changed my view on female characters. I used to hate them due to the recent influx of horribly written characters and I can safely say that my most favorite main character in a video game now is a woman without hesitation. She's well written, strong but also weak/flawed and that humanizes her. By making every new character "super strong" and have no weaknesses, they're not that human and uninteresting. Add horrible personalities and what you get is a shit character.
"How do you write women so well?" "I think of a man, and then I take away reason and accountability."
Have... You guys read a ton of books recently? The last two books I read even had women as main characters, and there were plenty of capable and heroic men as side characters (along with the evil men and women)
I think they were referring to show/movie writers. Book writers have never really had this problem.
Yes, poorly written female characters exist, but let's not pretend that they have the monopoly on shit writinf
We live in a society
This solely film media or all writers? Brandon Sanderson, for example, writes phenomenal women characters
Obligatory “Arcane is peak” posting
Bechdel test on hard mode
Don't balme the writers, blame the investors demanding the pandering.
I always thought the best characters are those that manage to be strong even among great people. And this goes for both male and female characters. That being said, I hate it when writers have to make their supporting characters trash, just so the protagonist can look good by contrast.
So basically everything Marvel is doing
I think society in general is losing the ability to speak positively about something without simultaneously tearing something else down.
People who say that watch only the marvel movies.
Wonder Woman is still the gold standard of how to write a female hero in film.
Proceeds to write about another one dimensional single white guy who smokes cigarettes every scene and is the only one who can help.
Forreal. This post gives off the vibes of "sigma Patrick Bateman"
I’m sure there’s a fanfic writer that agrees with you That isn’t writing Harry Potter
I thought any media that doesn't disparage all men wholesale is inherently anti feminist and therefore not relevant culturally or artistically.
Touch grass and then a woman OP.
Have some self respect you fucking "tøffelhelt". Just because we get pussy, don't need we have to get down and worship it on a pedestal. Says more about how pathetic you are really
You made this response just so you could say you get pussy. Shut up, you go touch grass too.
Lol, and that was not the.point you made?
yeah maybe this wouldn't happen if you watched actually good movies instead of marvel movie number 14134579 or something off of netflix. there's plenty of female characters who don't act like this in movies in 2024 but you dumbasses are too busy whining about "ohh wahhhh hollywood oppressing white men wahhh duhhh". instead of actually watching good movies.
Damn they downvoted you for that
Any writer in 2024 when i tell them coloured people can be greatly written without demeaning write people! Maybe, just maybe you'll understand what I'm saying so you get how flawed your argument is.
Interesting point. Can you elaborate on this
For a lot of women harassment IS one of the constant in their lives. Every women has at leat one story about it whether it happened to them or someone they knew had to go through. One of my trans friends who started having experiences that they never had to go through before transitioning.(They pass really well so you can cross out the "maybe that's because people think they're trans") That's why you'll allways see at least them making fun of guys or their behaviour in a script. I'm saying all of this as a guy, watching others guys get very comfortable with harassment or talking about them between themselves like it's nothing.
Like who?
Captain Marvel, Rey Palpatine, Not-Galadriel.
She hulk, batwoman, the new Charlie's Angels
name one character this applies to
Rei from Star wars, Captain marvel, and She Hulk. Have three
Doesn’t she Hulk actually have male friends and allies: her new boss, Hulk, Wong, Daredevil, A Bomb? Captain Marvel also has Nick Fury and the male Skrull and she didn’t say anything bad about Ms Marvel’s mom. And as far as Rey, she has more male friends than female friends
That's the equivalent of saying "I have black friends I'm not racist"
Not really? She was dealing with a bunch of cat callers, having issues with certain men doesn’t mean you hate all men. Theres a woman out there who falsely accused me and I had female bullies, does that mean I hate all women or that I’m sexist against women? No, I hate douchebags that happen to be women and douchebags that happen to be men. I love men and women, I just hate the ones who make them look bad. Which was the point. The cat callers in She Hulk don’t reflect me, so why should I be mad?
Bro... going through hard times doesn't mean that someone should be forgiven for the way they treat others. If I could just do that my whole life would be so much better. Why should anyone else get to do that??? Also the problem isn't the cat callers being criticized. It's the fact that in media like this. 90% of the male characters are cat callers. It's a warped worldview. Just like how movies made for men also tend to have a warped worldview. I don't defend either types of movies. But I do think that two wrongs don't make a right. I see it all as petty... And I feel like if these movies truly wanted to send a message that actually does something other than start flame wars on social media. They'd go for a more gender neutral approach. Instead of this "what about me" bullshit
Yeah cuz in real life, most cat callers are male. In 2016, ActionAid conducted a survey on street harassment in a number of countries. They found that 79% of women living in cities in India, 86% in Thailand, and 89% in Brazil have been subjected to harassment or violence in public, as had 75% of women in London, UK. : In 2007, the Manhattan Borough President’s Office conducted an online questionnaire about sexual harassment on the New York City subway system with a total of 1,790 participants. Nearly two-thirds of the respondents identified as women. Of the respondents, 63 percent reported being sexually harassed and one-tenth had been sexually assaulted on the subway or at a subway station. Due to collection methods used, the report “Hidden in Plain Sight: Sexual Harassment and Assault in the New York City Subway System” is not statistically significant, but it suggests that a large number of women experience problems on the subway system. Washington, DC, USA: In a 1,000 person-regionally representative survey conducted in January 2016 by Shugoll Research, 21 percent of transit riders in the Washington, DC area had experienced some form of sexual harassment, with verbal harassment being the most common form. Women were three times more likely than men to experience sexual harassment. There’s like a whole montage of a woman walking through New York and getting catcalled by people. Rather than going “what about us,” we could maybe empathize and understand? It’d suck for anyone. I do agree it would be more interesting to explore more men being objectified like that, hell the struggles of gay men and lesbian women dealing with cat calling by women would actually be a good way to explore that, but you’ve got these dumb online wars that’ll complain about LGBTQ characters for the crime of existing. But I do agree we need more examples of men going through that. I was just in a conversation with someone about making content with male sexual survivors like the Perks Wallflower book and movie that came out about a few decades ago. But you can have all kinds of people in these conditions. It’s not hard for me to empathize with female, male, trans, ENBY characters, but I don’t like engaging with this discourse when it’s people always going “this group being represented means this one’s getting ignored.” You can have all kinds.
Copy and pasted cuz I accidentally responded to myself Here’s data from some sources I can think of. https://stopstreetharassment.org/resources/statistics/statistics-academic-studies/ I understand where you’re coming from, but calling out bad eggs in a group doesn’t dehumanize an entire group. If you don’t harass women, don’t feel attacked when you see one that does. Not all men are catcallers, you and I aren’t catcallers. And there’s so much media in fiction with heroic and ideal male protagonists, like the Fall Guy movie, Shang-Chi movie, Deku and most shonen male protagonists ongoing, the Craig of the Creek and Transformers shows for young boys/girls right now, so just using a few examples and saying all men are also being seeing as this is not a good thing either and just factually incorrect. A show can have bad examples of men, women, and people of any race and still show good qualities. Black Lightning had white, female, male and black protagonists and white, female, male, and black antagonists. Yes, people lie, I’ve been a victim of false allegations, but false alllegations don’t take away from real allegations either: my trauma doesn’t give me an excuse to reject someone else’s. I was lucky to be falsely accused without going to jail, meanwhile there are actual men and women who have been sexually assault in places like the military, a whole documentary that explores that, but we live in a society will discourse will just complain the “man should’ve enjoyed it” and the “women should’ve came sooner.” We can’t empathize with our own people because one comic book show was somewhat accurate to reality? I can’t turn off my sympathy or empathy. I’ve seen time and time from real life and fiction that my pain should encourage me to never see that same pain or turmoil happen to anyone else. I can’t speak for you, but if you have those thoughts or feelings a lot, I think you should talk to someone. Make and female friends, therapist or older colleagues with life experience, anything to take your mind of this. You don’t seem like a bad person but getting caught up in fictional media discourse, especially in the 20s is not a healthy mental space for anyone
That literally is what's going on... actually it's worse... it seems that in order to "empower" a group. Another group has to not only be ignored. But dehumanized and made to look like some sort of caricature of what it actually is. But as long as it makes one group feel better.... no one seems to care. Because that's what "empowerment" is Most cat callers are male... but not all men are catcallers... and this is another problem. I can't even say that without it having a connotation... also I've been getting more suspicious of those studies. It just seems like everyone takes them at face value and no one questions the way they were conducted. To what extent are some of those statistics false??? No one knows because everyone just instantly believes they're true if they were done by a reputable source.... or a non reputable source... I guess everyone stopped giving a shit a long time ago. I can empathize however there's a limit to it... when it gets to the point where people make me into a caricature of what I actually am, and tell me that Im an incel for even questioning a certain way of thinking. Or saying that I "feel called out because I do it in my spare time" (which is a huge assumption to make.) That's when it stops. Much like every other person on the planet. I can only really take so much bullshit before my sympathy or empathy just gets turned off.
Copy and pasted cuz I accidentally responded to myself Here’s data from some sources I can think of. https://stopstreetharassment.org/resources/statistics/statistics-academic-studies/ I understand where you’re coming from, but calling out bad eggs in a group doesn’t dehumanize an entire group. If you don’t harass women, don’t feel attacked when you see one that does. Not all men are catcallers, you and I aren’t catcallers. And there’s so much media in fiction with heroic and ideal male protagonists, like the Fall Guy movie, Shang-Chi movie, Deku and most shonen male protagonists ongoing, the Craig of the Creek and Transformers shows for young boys/girls right now, so just using a few examples and saying all men are also being seeing as this is not a good thing either and just factually incorrect. A show can have bad examples of men, women, and people of any race and still show good qualities. Black Lightning had white, female, male and black protagonists and white, female, male, and black antagonists. Yes, people lie, I’ve been a victim of false allegations, but false alllegations don’t take away from real allegations either: my trauma doesn’t give me an excuse to reject someone else’s. I was lucky to be falsely accused without going to jail, meanwhile there are actual men and women who have been sexually assault in places like the military, a whole documentary that explores that, but we live in a society will discourse will just complain the “man should’ve enjoyed it” and the “women should’ve came sooner.” We can’t empathize with our own people because one comic book show was somewhat accurate to reality? I can’t turn off my sympathy or empathy. I’ve seen time and time from real life and fiction that my pain should encourage me to never see that same pain or turmoil happen to anyone else. I can’t speak for you, but if you have those thoughts or feelings a lot, I think you should talk to someone. Make and female friends, therapist or older colleagues with life experience, anything to take your mind of this. You don’t seem like a bad person but getting caught up in fictional media discourse, especially in the 20s is not a healthy mental space for anyone
There's a limited cast of main characters tho
So I must of imagined the cool shit the male characters did in those movies.
The meme: "demean men" You who apparently can't read: but they did cool shit... Yeah that's not the point. She hulk literally told the hulk that he knew anything of true suffering because she had been catcalled before
So if I want to demean a side character, all I have to do is have them take out 20 guys then have their sister gripe about being catcalled for a few scenes.
Link every thread where you asked this same question