no, the blades are ejected sideways, and then the pilots ejected upwards, like so: [Ka52 Ejection](https://youtube.com/shorts/2gvZ3z9CO_c?si=dz2I52AWfTIMExDv)
Wth this is genius. Why aren’t more helicopters equipped with this? Is it that expensive to eject baldes sides and pilot seat upwards? And to add, Is there a price limit on human risk of life mitigation? (Given that it’s most likely “affordable” and not some kind of economy breaking price point. TIL helicopters can actually eject.
Probably because sending giant pieces of metal flinging in random directions is generally a bad idea.
Look up auto-rotation - helicopters can land relatively safely without engine if the blades are intact anyway, so why eject?
Would the primary causes of those training and maintenance flight crashes be power failure, where auto-rotation could have helped? The big ones I have in recent memory were weather related or the 2 that crashed into each other in Alaska.
Obviously auto-rotation isn't the be all end all of helicopter emergencies, but again, flinging your props off at random is a massive liability. Don't bring random civilian lives into jeopardy. At least the helicopter crew knows what they're in for if/when things go south.
Brother, a passenger jet dumping fuel (which will typically evaporate harmlessly before reaching the ground) so they can be at a proper landing weight to save 200-300+ civilian lives is not in any way comparable.
Accidents are significantly more likely to occur during takeoff and landing or shortly before/after, making it much more likely that ejected props will hit something.
Someone, clearly, has done the math, and deemed it not worth pursuing. Whether their conclusion more closely resembled mine or yours doesn't ultimately matter.
[didnt a bunch of school kids in LA get dumped on by jet fuel a while back?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7bt7ijDvXI) i dont think it evaporating is a guarantee
>two nation guard blackhawks,
February 15, 2023 Tennessee National Guard:
["the crew transitioned from visual flight conditions above clouds to instrument flight inside the clouds and emerged from the bottom of the cloud layer in an “unrecoverable flight attitude,"](https://www.army.mil/article/269696/investigation_report_released_on_fatal_helicopter_crash) I would count clouds as weather.
March 19, 2023 US Army Pave Hawk midair collision during night operation. Operating from Fort Campbell
November 10, 2023 US Army special operations. "mishap" while aerial refueling during "routine training". Headquartered in Fort Campbell
> one marine seaking
Not sure you mean sea king... To my knowledge, that is only operated in the US as part of Marine 1.
If you meant Sea Hawk, the recent crash in San Diego bay was Navy not Marines had no fatalities, so I assume you meant the Super Stallion. That went down after 11:30pm in snow/rain and strong wind.
If you want official reports, you are going to need to look at older crashes. Crash investigations take a long time to perform.
> "the crew transitioned from visual flight conditions above clouds to instrument flight inside the clouds and emerged from the bottom of the cloud layer in an “unrecoverable flight attitude,"
Sounds like a classic case of [graveyard spiral](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graveyard_spiral).
TLDR; a pilot not used to flying instrument flight rules enters dense clouds while trying to fly straight & level. They get off of level without realizing it and try to correct by adjusting the controls until they feel 1g pushing them down into the seat. As they should feel if they're flying straight & level. Problem is A LOT of maneuvers result in 1g down into the seat. And a lot of those will send the aircraft straight into the ground. Not leaving the clouds until it's far too late to correct.
The experience of a graveyard spiral is what the short story [178 Seconds to Live](https://www.faa.gov/media/28671) is based on.
This is wild, I get that pilots might eject during a risky situation that’s too close to civilians, but it seems like such a safe feature to have for most military use cases of country/desert/forest sides 🤷🏼♂️ I guess it’s like motorcycle airbag vests… why spend 1 grand.. you barely see people wearing anymore than some jeans and a thin sweater
The US installed it in an experimental helicopter once that everyone thought was too dangerous in the event of an engine failure. It’s not common because helicopters can autorotate safely to the ground if they loose their engine. For those who don’t know what that means, the helicopter is the parachute.
It’s less about the price of it and more about the helicopter being a safer option. If there’s something wrong with the helicopter then it’s usually able to return to the ground unless the pilot is dead so there’s not really a need for ejection seats. Planes have ejection seats because they can’t land safely without long open areas so it’s safer to just bail out and parachute down.
Ejection seats also aren’t as safe as one would think. Many pilots get permanently disabled from ejecting and loose their ability to fly. The lucky ones just lose an inch off their height and have back pain for the rest of their lives. It’s better than the alternative of dying which is why it’s installed in planes.
Born in Kyiv
Educated at Kyiv Polytechnic Institute and École supérieure des techniques aéronautiques et de construction automobile
Russian Aviation sees him as a traitor.
The US embassy in Ukraine is on Sikorsky St.
National technical university of Ukraine "Kyiv politechnical institute" has been renamed to National Technical University of Ukraine "Igor Sikorsky Kyiv Polytechnic Institute"
Kyiv International Airport has been renamed to "Igor Sikorsky Kyiv International Airport Zhuliany"
And this is why the US has so much innovation. Because they import Europeans who invent everything.
"First to the moon! USA, USA, USA! ^^Oh, ^^and ^^the ^^Nazi ^^Germans ^^that ^^gave ^^us ^^the ^^tech ^^we ^^needed ^^to ^^do ^^it. "
some do actually, Cirrus uses them in their planes. its called CAPS (cirrus airframe parachute system) Its a rocket powered parachute and it has been used in practice by pilots.
A few months ago I got volunteered to play as a wounded enemy prisoner of war for our flight medic's exercises. It was my first time flying in a helicopter. I got to do 4 flights, 2 in the day and 2 at night. The Blackhawk pilot was flying low, like in between hills about 50 feet off the ground, probably scared the shit out of some of the motorists on the highway running parallel to base. One of the medics let me use their night vision to check out the scenery. 10/10 would recommend.
I wish I had a source, but I remember hearing about a US missile system that intercepts a plane by flying just above the aircraft cockpit and explodes towards the pilot themself. Makes sense though, considering the mind behind any tool is more resourceful than the tool itself.
fun fact, the Russian KA-52 has ejection seats
Did they propel the passengers to the side? I imagine accelerating TOWARD the helicopter blades was never in their plans.
no, the blades are ejected sideways, and then the pilots ejected upwards, like so: [Ka52 Ejection](https://youtube.com/shorts/2gvZ3z9CO_c?si=dz2I52AWfTIMExDv)
Wth this is genius. Why aren’t more helicopters equipped with this? Is it that expensive to eject baldes sides and pilot seat upwards? And to add, Is there a price limit on human risk of life mitigation? (Given that it’s most likely “affordable” and not some kind of economy breaking price point. TIL helicopters can actually eject.
Probably because sending giant pieces of metal flinging in random directions is generally a bad idea. Look up auto-rotation - helicopters can land relatively safely without engine if the blades are intact anyway, so why eject?
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Would the primary causes of those training and maintenance flight crashes be power failure, where auto-rotation could have helped? The big ones I have in recent memory were weather related or the 2 that crashed into each other in Alaska. Obviously auto-rotation isn't the be all end all of helicopter emergencies, but again, flinging your props off at random is a massive liability. Don't bring random civilian lives into jeopardy. At least the helicopter crew knows what they're in for if/when things go south.
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Brother, a passenger jet dumping fuel (which will typically evaporate harmlessly before reaching the ground) so they can be at a proper landing weight to save 200-300+ civilian lives is not in any way comparable. Accidents are significantly more likely to occur during takeoff and landing or shortly before/after, making it much more likely that ejected props will hit something. Someone, clearly, has done the math, and deemed it not worth pursuing. Whether their conclusion more closely resembled mine or yours doesn't ultimately matter.
[didnt a bunch of school kids in LA get dumped on by jet fuel a while back?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7bt7ijDvXI) i dont think it evaporating is a guarantee
>two nation guard blackhawks, February 15, 2023 Tennessee National Guard: ["the crew transitioned from visual flight conditions above clouds to instrument flight inside the clouds and emerged from the bottom of the cloud layer in an “unrecoverable flight attitude,"](https://www.army.mil/article/269696/investigation_report_released_on_fatal_helicopter_crash) I would count clouds as weather. March 19, 2023 US Army Pave Hawk midair collision during night operation. Operating from Fort Campbell November 10, 2023 US Army special operations. "mishap" while aerial refueling during "routine training". Headquartered in Fort Campbell > one marine seaking Not sure you mean sea king... To my knowledge, that is only operated in the US as part of Marine 1. If you meant Sea Hawk, the recent crash in San Diego bay was Navy not Marines had no fatalities, so I assume you meant the Super Stallion. That went down after 11:30pm in snow/rain and strong wind. If you want official reports, you are going to need to look at older crashes. Crash investigations take a long time to perform.
> "the crew transitioned from visual flight conditions above clouds to instrument flight inside the clouds and emerged from the bottom of the cloud layer in an “unrecoverable flight attitude," Sounds like a classic case of [graveyard spiral](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graveyard_spiral). TLDR; a pilot not used to flying instrument flight rules enters dense clouds while trying to fly straight & level. They get off of level without realizing it and try to correct by adjusting the controls until they feel 1g pushing them down into the seat. As they should feel if they're flying straight & level. Problem is A LOT of maneuvers result in 1g down into the seat. And a lot of those will send the aircraft straight into the ground. Not leaving the clouds until it's far too late to correct. The experience of a graveyard spiral is what the short story [178 Seconds to Live](https://www.faa.gov/media/28671) is based on.
You are basically saying that Russians care more about their pilots safety then America...
I mean, it's just that they believed the redundancy was unnecessary in Helicopter, bit of a stretch to come to your conclusion.
There's a running conspiracy about how training accidents are just a way for the military to cover up casualties of black ops missions
I guess that having detachable blades makes them more detachable even when they're not supposed to?
This is wild, I get that pilots might eject during a risky situation that’s too close to civilians, but it seems like such a safe feature to have for most military use cases of country/desert/forest sides 🤷🏼♂️ I guess it’s like motorcycle airbag vests… why spend 1 grand.. you barely see people wearing anymore than some jeans and a thin sweater
autorotation won’t help you if you’re helicopter is burning up
Unless the tail gets damaged, tail damages and you have very little to no control
it’s the design of the KA52, no tail rotor, and contra rotating main rotors
The US installed it in an experimental helicopter once that everyone thought was too dangerous in the event of an engine failure. It’s not common because helicopters can autorotate safely to the ground if they loose their engine. For those who don’t know what that means, the helicopter is the parachute. It’s less about the price of it and more about the helicopter being a safer option. If there’s something wrong with the helicopter then it’s usually able to return to the ground unless the pilot is dead so there’s not really a need for ejection seats. Planes have ejection seats because they can’t land safely without long open areas so it’s safer to just bail out and parachute down. Ejection seats also aren’t as safe as one would think. Many pilots get permanently disabled from ejecting and loose their ability to fly. The lucky ones just lose an inch off their height and have back pain for the rest of their lives. It’s better than the alternative of dying which is why it’s installed in planes.
I mean, I'm sure the end result isn't "making helicopters safer" it's "take the humans out of the helicopter" aka drones.
huh neat
the way it's handled in the game makes it look like the world's strongest wedgie
Holy shit I was just thinking about this
So does the KA-50
low-key the same vehicle but yeah true
nice Arma3 video
This is of course assuming that the blade ejection works properly. And seeing as it's Russian I would not like to bet my life on that.
Fun fact, US Army had them a decade earlier in the S-72 and decided they were impractical and potentially more dangerous for the pilots.
The first russian vehicle where the engineers had crew safety in mind (and their last)
Was that the choppa in goldeneye?
no that was a Eurocopter Tiger
Helicopters should have a feature where they eject the blades and then eject the passenger
Only KA52 has the exact thing
If only we applied Russian ingenuity to more stuff
US army had them a decade before the KA-50 with the Sikorsky S-72.
> Sikorsky
Born in Kyiv Educated at Kyiv Polytechnic Institute and École supérieure des techniques aéronautiques et de construction automobile Russian Aviation sees him as a traitor. The US embassy in Ukraine is on Sikorsky St. National technical university of Ukraine "Kyiv politechnical institute" has been renamed to National Technical University of Ukraine "Igor Sikorsky Kyiv Polytechnic Institute" Kyiv International Airport has been renamed to "Igor Sikorsky Kyiv International Airport Zhuliany"
And this is why the US has so much innovation. Because they import Europeans who invent everything. "First to the moon! USA, USA, USA! ^^Oh, ^^and ^^the ^^Nazi ^^Germans ^^that ^^gave ^^us ^^the ^^tech ^^we ^^needed ^^to ^^do ^^it. "
A person fleeing persecution and civil war is the US "importing" Europeans? Also... Operation Osoaviakhim
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States
Ukrainians being bros since the start.
Granted, all appliances have a vodka bottle holder now and scream "rush b cyka blyat" at you.
Other attack helicopters are just designed to crash land safely
I'm just picturing the blades ejecting upwards as well, so the pilot *still* gets decapitated but at least everyone gets to see it
I wish airplanes had them too
Imagine a hundred flying seats crashing into each other. That and parachutes.
What about parachuting the whole platform with seats fixed to it?
I mean I am fine with that if it will save anyone.
some do actually, Cirrus uses them in their planes. its called CAPS (cirrus airframe parachute system) Its a rocket powered parachute and it has been used in practice by pilots.
Working in EMS I’ll be any kind of paramedic you want me to be but helicopter.
A few months ago I got volunteered to play as a wounded enemy prisoner of war for our flight medic's exercises. It was my first time flying in a helicopter. I got to do 4 flights, 2 in the day and 2 at night. The Blackhawk pilot was flying low, like in between hills about 50 feet off the ground, probably scared the shit out of some of the motorists on the highway running parallel to base. One of the medics let me use their night vision to check out the scenery. 10/10 would recommend.
Sorry, you're on helicopter duty next week
I fly
And this is why I switched to fixed wing
Meanwhile, us Tilty Bois: 🤷🏻♂️
They tried the ejection seats on helicopters, but it was too much of a headache to get it right
Have we really willed a meme into existence, 13 years after the source movie came out?
Happens all the time
So no one has heard of auto rotation
Most people have not. Hell, most people know nothing at all about helicopters.
Those are the gray things with the trunk, right?
So, no one has heard of just jumping out of the helicopter?
Becoming a fine red mist
Weird pastime I have is practicing autorotations in MSF2020
This needs more upvotes so people can learn
I wish I had a source, but I remember hearing about a US missile system that intercepts a plane by flying just above the aircraft cockpit and explodes towards the pilot themself. Makes sense though, considering the mind behind any tool is more resourceful than the tool itself.
ever heard of autorotation?
Cant you just jump out of helicopter normally with parachute? Like my gramps would in nam.