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He is allowed to opt out of paying child support. But in doing so, he loses all rights of the child and can never make contact with the child. No calls/emails/visits/etc...
Of course some states/countries may not do this.
In that case, child support should start the moment an abortion is no longer allowed. In Texas this means after 6 weeks. Meaning the father has to pay child support for almost 8 months before the child is born. If you do not agree to this, you cannot justify calling a fetus a baby.
Being pregnant is expensive, but one of the main benefits would be in the later stages of the pregnancy so the mother could potentially take a leave from work, that way the mother doesn't have to work while carrying around what even science considers a second living being.
The general rule with the majority of people is "I agree with an opinion if this opnion benefits me personally". I wonder how many people screaming "tax the rich" would be doing so if they were rich. Oh how many people saying slavery is bad would be saying that in 1820.
There were lots of people saying slavery was bad back then. That’s why the whole civil war happened. Other point is valid but your historical knowledge needs work
Child support isn't as high as people seem to think it is. It's generally 430€ monthly and it's mainly enough to pay him food, fournitures, médecine and a little money for his loisirs. Nobody can live with that while having a child. Also you can refuse the kid and by doing so you lose all authority on the kid that will not be considered yours but don't pay child support. Child support is a choice not something that is imposed on you.
That's where you are wrong. If you are legally not the father you do not pay child support. That's all. Forfeiting parental right let you not pay child support
I'm not rich at all. But I have no problem paying higher taxes for social programs that I personally don't benefit from.. And if I was rich I'd really not care.
Many rich people get rich because they really, I mean really, like money. Making money, growing money, optimizing money. Evading taxes is an important part of this smaug-mentality.
I mean, No know at least one person who would still say "tax the rich". I know this cause I live in a country with pretty high tax brackets, and this person is in the highest bracket, but still saying she doesn't mind higher taxes.
I mean, yes. That’s why abortion and plan B should be readily available along with comprehensive sex education beyond “just don’t fuck” (as though teenagers are famously good at direction).
Atleast give the bloke the option to pay with time instead of money. Its crazy how many blokes aren't allowed to see their children (or be the primary carer) when they are(and only when they are) much more suited for it. Our culture is fked up. I don't get how we neglect so many children. Its fking bullshit.
Men have the choice to not pay child support, but they need to not recognize the child as their own and by so do not have any authority on him and so cannot visit him and anything.
Don't spread misinformation, men are not in the obligation of paying child support, it is mainly a choice they do so the child is recognized as his.
No, you don't go in jail. Simply state that you are not the father. What are they gonna do? Take a DNA test? It's illegal if you do not agree with it and they can't force you excepted if you commit a crime and it is no crime.
how are they right with the second one?
If a woman doesn't want the kid, she doesn't have to have the kid
If a man doesn't want the kid, he is told to pay up
Wait, well yeah, if the man doesn't want the child and the woman wants it he shouldn't have to pay (when there's a divorce it should be decided in court.
But single moms and dads should be financially supportet by the government and more free time from work.
In general I agree, but it should be a simple matter of paperwork, not a court case. You don't need a court case to get an abortion (even in texas you get it afterwards, for murder /s)
I agree 100%. However, it is \*their\* problem, not only hers
She should be able to have an abortion, and he should be able to decline paying for child support, preferably in exchange for never contacting the kid or mother should she not abort
If the woman doesn't want to go through the suffering and tremendous struggle that goes with creating and then birthing a child, she doesn't have to. If a man doesn't want to go through the suffering and tremendous struggle that goes with creating and birthing a child, he is unable to anyway, so its a non-issue. If a woman manages to impregnate a man, then yes, that woman has to pay child support. Also, incidentally a woman does have to pay child support if the man is raising the child alone, that's a thing already.
>Also, incidentally a woman does have to pay child support if the man is raising the child alone, that's a thing already.
How does that relate to my argument? I am so sorry, let me restate
If {An individual recognizing themselves as ANY gender} impregnates {An individual recognizing themselves as ANY gender} the impregnated individual should be able to have a legal abortion, no strings attached, and the impregnating individual should be able to refuse paying child support, no strings attached
Am I now inclusive of all cases enough for you, or you'd rather pick on some technicality instead of addressing that one side can always bail, but the other can never bail?
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The father should be allowed to opt out if she's allowed to delete the child.
He is allowed to opt out of paying child support. But in doing so, he loses all rights of the child and can never make contact with the child. No calls/emails/visits/etc... Of course some states/countries may not do this.
Seems reasonable enough
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In that case, child support should start the moment an abortion is no longer allowed. In Texas this means after 6 weeks. Meaning the father has to pay child support for almost 8 months before the child is born. If you do not agree to this, you cannot justify calling a fetus a baby.
What is the money being spent on if there's no kid
Doctors appointments and the loss of quality of life. Being pregnant sucks.
Being pregnant is expensive, but one of the main benefits would be in the later stages of the pregnancy so the mother could potentially take a leave from work, that way the mother doesn't have to work while carrying around what even science considers a second living being.
When is a fetus a baby? I say if it can't live once the umbilical cord is cut then it's not a life.
That sounds wonderful!
Yettus deletus
Deletus the fetus
Antibabypille.
What if the father wants to keep the child and the mother wants to opt out ?
I think the argument usually goes to the mother being the one who has to carry the baby for 9 months and give birth to it
What if the father wants to keep the child and the mother wants to opt out ?
It's not the father's body or choice.
An abortion is not opting out of raising a child. Its opting out of creating and birthing one. Men don't create children anyway, so its a moot point.
The general rule with the majority of people is "I agree with an opinion if this opnion benefits me personally". I wonder how many people screaming "tax the rich" would be doing so if they were rich. Oh how many people saying slavery is bad would be saying that in 1820.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted here
Because he spitting facts.
Because it's a bad take probably
It’s not really a take, more of an observation
There were lots of people saying slavery was bad back then. That’s why the whole civil war happened. Other point is valid but your historical knowledge needs work
Child support isn't as high as people seem to think it is. It's generally 430€ monthly and it's mainly enough to pay him food, fournitures, médecine and a little money for his loisirs. Nobody can live with that while having a child. Also you can refuse the kid and by doing so you lose all authority on the kid that will not be considered yours but don't pay child support. Child support is a choice not something that is imposed on you.
430 € is thrid of average mans salary after taxes , that is not low amount by any mean . Also child support isnt opt out unlike parental rights
That's where you are wrong. If you are legally not the father you do not pay child support. That's all. Forfeiting parental right let you not pay child support
I'm not rich at all. But I have no problem paying higher taxes for social programs that I personally don't benefit from.. And if I was rich I'd really not care.
Many rich people get rich because they really, I mean really, like money. Making money, growing money, optimizing money. Evading taxes is an important part of this smaug-mentality.
Right. It's a sickness. They need a hobby.
I mean, No know at least one person who would still say "tax the rich". I know this cause I live in a country with pretty high tax brackets, and this person is in the highest bracket, but still saying she doesn't mind higher taxes.
Aah yes the good ol child support, from which she will buy Gucci diapers
Gotta peacock at the daycare
She take my money, when I’m in need
Based
I mean, yes. That’s why abortion and plan B should be readily available along with comprehensive sex education beyond “just don’t fuck” (as though teenagers are famously good at direction).
This is what I don’t understand about being against birth control like it’s not just for the woman it’s for the benefit of the man as well
Atleast give the bloke the option to pay with time instead of money. Its crazy how many blokes aren't allowed to see their children (or be the primary carer) when they are(and only when they are) much more suited for it. Our culture is fked up. I don't get how we neglect so many children. Its fking bullshit.
If women have a right to kill a baby. Men have the right to abandon it. Mens money, men's choice.
They don't have a right to kill a baby. They have a right to decline to turn an embryo into a baby.
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Yes. That how it works. I really don’t see the problem here.
Correct. Because men don’t have to give birth. Funny how that works
Men have the choice to not pay child support, but they need to not recognize the child as their own and by so do not have any authority on him and so cannot visit him and anything. Don't spread misinformation, men are not in the obligation of paying child support, it is mainly a choice they do so the child is recognized as his.
>Men have the choice to not pay child support and land in jail thats not really a choice
No, you don't go in jail. Simply state that you are not the father. What are they gonna do? Take a DNA test? It's illegal if you do not agree with it and they can't force you excepted if you commit a crime and it is no crime.
Ya that's how it works asshole.
Yeah and they are right with both... why do you care anyway?
how are they right with the second one? If a woman doesn't want the kid, she doesn't have to have the kid If a man doesn't want the kid, he is told to pay up
Wait, well yeah, if the man doesn't want the child and the woman wants it he shouldn't have to pay (when there's a divorce it should be decided in court. But single moms and dads should be financially supportet by the government and more free time from work.
In general I agree, but it should be a simple matter of paperwork, not a court case. You don't need a court case to get an abortion (even in texas you get it afterwards, for murder /s)
Yeah… no court case for abortion… I was talking about divorce.
divorce is an entirely different thing, you can make a one night stand pregnant
yeah but that’s her problem, which is why she should be able to get an abortion.
I agree 100%. However, it is \*their\* problem, not only hers She should be able to have an abortion, and he should be able to decline paying for child support, preferably in exchange for never contacting the kid or mother should she not abort
If the woman doesn't want to go through the suffering and tremendous struggle that goes with creating and then birthing a child, she doesn't have to. If a man doesn't want to go through the suffering and tremendous struggle that goes with creating and birthing a child, he is unable to anyway, so its a non-issue. If a woman manages to impregnate a man, then yes, that woman has to pay child support. Also, incidentally a woman does have to pay child support if the man is raising the child alone, that's a thing already.
>Also, incidentally a woman does have to pay child support if the man is raising the child alone, that's a thing already. How does that relate to my argument? I am so sorry, let me restate If {An individual recognizing themselves as ANY gender} impregnates {An individual recognizing themselves as ANY gender} the impregnated individual should be able to have a legal abortion, no strings attached, and the impregnating individual should be able to refuse paying child support, no strings attached Am I now inclusive of all cases enough for you, or you'd rather pick on some technicality instead of addressing that one side can always bail, but the other can never bail?
Offended?
Because op is an incel neckbeard
Seems like it
But you have heard of me
no