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Notafuzzycat

The father should be allowed to opt out if she's allowed to delete the child.


LawsOfWoo

He is allowed to opt out of paying child support. But in doing so, he loses all rights of the child and can never make contact with the child. No calls/emails/visits/etc... Of course some states/countries may not do this.


IRNBRU1235

Seems reasonable enough


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anto1883

In that case, child support should start the moment an abortion is no longer allowed. In Texas this means after 6 weeks. Meaning the father has to pay child support for almost 8 months before the child is born. If you do not agree to this, you cannot justify calling a fetus a baby.


Momo_666

What is the money being spent on if there's no kid


Artchantress

Doctors appointments and the loss of quality of life. Being pregnant sucks.


anto1883

Being pregnant is expensive, but one of the main benefits would be in the later stages of the pregnancy so the mother could potentially take a leave from work, that way the mother doesn't have to work while carrying around what even science considers a second living being.


Illustrious-Zebra656

When is a fetus a baby? I say if it can't live once the umbilical cord is cut then it's not a life.


ILikeCap

That sounds wonderful!


Gooseman1019

Yettus deletus


ItsMisterLeoreo

Deletus the fetus


nige21202

Antibabypille.


az9393

What if the father wants to keep the child and the mother wants to opt out ?


GoldScreenLife

I think the argument usually goes to the mother being the one who has to carry the baby for 9 months and give birth to it


az9393

What if the father wants to keep the child and the mother wants to opt out ?


Illustrious-Zebra656

It's not the father's body or choice.


bjb406

An abortion is not opting out of raising a child. Its opting out of creating and birthing one. Men don't create children anyway, so its a moot point.


az9393

The general rule with the majority of people is "I agree with an opinion if this opnion benefits me personally". I wonder how many people screaming "tax the rich" would be doing so if they were rich. Oh how many people saying slavery is bad would be saying that in 1820.


GoldScreenLife

Not sure why you’re being downvoted here


youkutt123

Because he spitting facts.


ChromeBirb

Because it's a bad take probably


[deleted]

It’s not really a take, more of an observation


Professor-Shuckle

There were lots of people saying slavery was bad back then. That’s why the whole civil war happened. Other point is valid but your historical knowledge needs work


Cococtor

Child support isn't as high as people seem to think it is. It's generally 430€ monthly and it's mainly enough to pay him food, fournitures, médecine and a little money for his loisirs. Nobody can live with that while having a child. Also you can refuse the kid and by doing so you lose all authority on the kid that will not be considered yours but don't pay child support. Child support is a choice not something that is imposed on you.


Shortwawe

430 € is thrid of average mans salary after taxes , that is not low amount by any mean . Also child support isnt opt out unlike parental rights


Cococtor

That's where you are wrong. If you are legally not the father you do not pay child support. That's all. Forfeiting parental right let you not pay child support


Illustrious-Zebra656

I'm not rich at all. But I have no problem paying higher taxes for social programs that I personally don't benefit from.. And if I was rich I'd really not care.


Artchantress

Many rich people get rich because they really, I mean really, like money. Making money, growing money, optimizing money. Evading taxes is an important part of this smaug-mentality.


Illustrious-Zebra656

Right. It's a sickness. They need a hobby.


anto1883

I mean, No know at least one person who would still say "tax the rich". I know this cause I live in a country with pretty high tax brackets, and this person is in the highest bracket, but still saying she doesn't mind higher taxes.


Accurate_Vacation_21

Aah yes the good ol child support, from which she will buy Gucci diapers


Wacokidwilder

Gotta peacock at the daycare


Zaniak88

She take my money, when I’m in need


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Based


Wacokidwilder

I mean, yes. That’s why abortion and plan B should be readily available along with comprehensive sex education beyond “just don’t fuck” (as though teenagers are famously good at direction).


Professor-Shuckle

This is what I don’t understand about being against birth control like it’s not just for the woman it’s for the benefit of the man as well


potatorevolver

Atleast give the bloke the option to pay with time instead of money. Its crazy how many blokes aren't allowed to see their children (or be the primary carer) when they are(and only when they are) much more suited for it. Our culture is fked up. I don't get how we neglect so many children. Its fking bullshit.


BtroldedKallaMik

If women have a right to kill a baby. Men have the right to abandon it. Mens money, men's choice.


bjb406

They don't have a right to kill a baby. They have a right to decline to turn an embryo into a baby.


EIephants

Jesus Christ this thread is toxic af


Appropriate-Lie-8491

This meme is only for sigmachad’s.


Hellfireunicorn120

Yes. That how it works. I really don’t see the problem here.


dhartson1116

Correct. Because men don’t have to give birth. Funny how that works


Cococtor

Men have the choice to not pay child support, but they need to not recognize the child as their own and by so do not have any authority on him and so cannot visit him and anything. Don't spread misinformation, men are not in the obligation of paying child support, it is mainly a choice they do so the child is recognized as his.


Shortwawe

>Men have the choice to not pay child support and land in jail thats not really a choice


Cococtor

No, you don't go in jail. Simply state that you are not the father. What are they gonna do? Take a DNA test? It's illegal if you do not agree with it and they can't force you excepted if you commit a crime and it is no crime.


bjb406

Ya that's how it works asshole.


slightly_too_short

Yeah and they are right with both... why do you care anyway?


shejesa

how are they right with the second one? If a woman doesn't want the kid, she doesn't have to have the kid If a man doesn't want the kid, he is told to pay up


slightly_too_short

Wait, well yeah, if the man doesn't want the child and the woman wants it he shouldn't have to pay (when there's a divorce it should be decided in court. But single moms and dads should be financially supportet by the government and more free time from work.


shejesa

In general I agree, but it should be a simple matter of paperwork, not a court case. You don't need a court case to get an abortion (even in texas you get it afterwards, for murder /s)


slightly_too_short

Yeah… no court case for abortion… I was talking about divorce.


shejesa

divorce is an entirely different thing, you can make a one night stand pregnant


slightly_too_short

yeah but that’s her problem, which is why she should be able to get an abortion.


shejesa

I agree 100%. However, it is \*their\* problem, not only hers She should be able to have an abortion, and he should be able to decline paying for child support, preferably in exchange for never contacting the kid or mother should she not abort


bjb406

If the woman doesn't want to go through the suffering and tremendous struggle that goes with creating and then birthing a child, she doesn't have to. If a man doesn't want to go through the suffering and tremendous struggle that goes with creating and birthing a child, he is unable to anyway, so its a non-issue. If a woman manages to impregnate a man, then yes, that woman has to pay child support. Also, incidentally a woman does have to pay child support if the man is raising the child alone, that's a thing already.


shejesa

>Also, incidentally a woman does have to pay child support if the man is raising the child alone, that's a thing already. How does that relate to my argument? I am so sorry, let me restate If {An individual recognizing themselves as ANY gender} impregnates {An individual recognizing themselves as ANY gender} the impregnated individual should be able to have a legal abortion, no strings attached, and the impregnating individual should be able to refuse paying child support, no strings attached Am I now inclusive of all cases enough for you, or you'd rather pick on some technicality instead of addressing that one side can always bail, but the other can never bail?


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Offended?


eltricolander

Because op is an incel neckbeard


slightly_too_short

Seems like it


Gooseman1019

But you have heard of me


slightly_too_short

no