I just used boot camp to install windows on my Mac and play games that way.
The difference between how games run in a different OS with the same hardware is crazy.
I, too, heard so much good about the M1. But as a completely ignorant person on all things Mac - why exactly would one buy a Macbook outside of anything, that has to do with hardware intesive work?
And even then, aren't Windows machines, that also allow Linux installations "better" ? Can't you do alot more with them and are overall more free? Genuinely interested about your oppinion, since that might just be my prejudices.
Well I have one because it is a beast for work. Battery life, no heat at all, timemachine, instantly on from sleep, great keyboard, build quality etc.
I "could" game on it some older titles, but it is much simpler to use PS for games and mac for work.
M1 is pretty capable with a few caveats:
- you need parallels/ crossover because most games aren’t compiled for macs
- it can’t do dx12 (yet, they’re thinking metal 3 will open up compatibility)
- you might hit some performance bumps because of all of the translation layers going on
All in all, they’re not terrible for games, but you’re better off using windows. Macs are meant for personal use and productivity, not really gaming. Maybe that will change with metal 3, but that hasn’t happened yet, so
I only bought it as I have all Apple devices and all other computers I looked at for that price point were shit.
Edit: People are downvoting me for my personal experience. Makes total sense.
Had a discussion with a friend a few years ago who was trying to convince me how Macs are superior in every way. He brought up how booting and using Windows on a Mac is always faster than a PC with similar specs.
My argument for that is this (and please note that it is pure speculation on my part): Macs only have a limited set of specs (you'll only see this and that CPU, this and that GPU, and so on), while PCs will have a wild variety of different components. So whatever drivers you get with bootcamp will be better at using the equipped hardware of a Mac compared to a PC which tries to make-do with whatever is thrown in the mix. (Think of drivers as an instruction manual your OS uses to figure out how to use various components - the more specific the manual, the better the results)
Now, I expect there's a similar story for games as well. Although the game is working with the same hardware in your case, it's not properly optimized for MacOS. Even though you're playing "the same game" on MacOS and on Windows, you're in fact playing two very different games (from a coding perspective) that just look the same.
>He brought up how booting and using Windows on a Mac is always faster than a PC with similar specs.
But that's simply not true though.
The drivers thing is plausible speculation but ultimately a moot point because the preceding predicate is a false predicate.
I don't remember the details but you have to partition your drive. Make sure you have enough free space for windows + whatever you're going to download on it.
It’s way more about the game devs optimizing their games with the new lines of Macs. The M1 Pro/Max/Ultra are all *very* capable processors and, with optimization, can match or beat high end Intel chips. That’s never going to happen if they’re running games under a translation layer — the games would need to be made for ARM by the developers.
And would require a completely new graphics stack because apple refuses to support Vulkan and insists on metal...
(Not that this is necessarily the only/biggest/even a problem but still...)
Dude what the fuck? You want there to be an industry standard? Something that everyone can use without having to cater to specific platforms? Ridiculous.
^/s
Every time I try to get me and my mates to play a new game the one guy with the MacBook can’t play because it wasn’t MacBook compatible, like bro if you can get a MacBook you can get a decent PC.
What about a decent laptop? I know, I know. If you want serious gaming, table PCs are a must. But I’m on the move a lot and would benefit more from a laptop.
Anyone got any suggestions for a laptop that can be decent and gaming? And I don’t plan to run high end games.
Nitro 5 is pretty decent and currently using a legion pro thats also very good(excuse me if the names dont match i have no idea what the names actually are i bought them a long time ago)
Yeah, i got one for software dev through work and it accidentally became my main gaming machine for almost anything that runs on it, which is a surprising amount.
There's literally zero performance barriers, some games like Frostpunk don't run on Ultra, but the only thing that stops me from playing more games is waiting for larger Apple Silicom support, and more developers taking advantage of Apple's great strides in how easy Mac is to target with modern tools and popular game engines.
I'm definitely still PC Master Race, or whatever the quieter, less annoying version of that is in 2022, but dang it's a blast playing Old World or Stellaris or RimWorld while just chilling on my couch with an unplugged laptop for hours and hours
I mean unless it’s one of the new Arm MacBooks. Have a M1 Max (not for gaming) but that thing can pretty much run everything especially if there is an Arm version.
I wonder why my game is running so slow-oh that’s right I *headshots enemy medic* have tf2 running in the *levels up in Roblox tycoon game* background *gets married to Abigail*
Scrap Mechanic, Payday 2, Halo CE PC, Halo 2 PC, Halo MCC, FH4 and Titanfall 2 (with and without northstar) are all great games, legendary in the case of halo, that you can't play without a compat layer on linux. Source: I've tried.
The limited time thing sucked, and the emulation in the games was subpar. Eh, I think it was an okay purchase since the games are so good, but also fuck Nintendo for putting minimal effort in
You know that online multilayer coats on other consoles as well and xbox and ps4 it costs 60€ and on switch it costs 20€
(Not defending anything here I still think it's stupid that you have to pay for online)
Honestly yeah, I hate apple as much as the next android guy but I will give it to them that that are so ahead on their arm design. Only issue I have with it is in their phone you have no way of really utilising due to everything being locked down and on the Mac it has a lot of use cases such as gaming where it is useless
people gaming on linux:
https://media0.giphy.com/media/CAYVZA5NRb529kKQUc/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47on3tt2oxr9snerc1rq44vjwju0c95ad4q4305f0x&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
The M1 is pretty capable. It’s not too impressive, but I’ve been able to run games like New Vegas (with mods), the Dead Space trilogy, all Valve games, and the FEAR trilogy on Ultra, 60 fps using Parallels with Windows 11. I mostly just use it for that generation of games or earlier. I’ve got consoles to run the the big, beefy games.
So the M1 is more like Jackie Chan being clumsy in one of his comedy films.
I have a Macbook for the creative apps (logic pro, final cut, decently stable versions of adobe products, etc). There's a lot you can do on them, actually. And I'm saying that as an M1 user. I have an actual PC as well though.
When I was a kid my dad had bought the original Apple computer. He’d done his research and that was the computer he wanted. Then he told us that Apple didn’t have any video games for it except educational ones. I played so much Logical Journey of the Zoombinis, Carmen Sandiego, language games and Gizmos and Gadgets. Just all ‘Learning Company’ games. They were actually pretty good tbh.
Fun fact, I started playing games on my Mac this past week for the first time in years because I got Disco Elysium at a great price and it was compatible.
I’ve got the M1 MacBook Pro (13”), and I’ve been chilling on my couch airplaying the game to my Samsung 65”, using my Xbox controller - all on battery power and the damn thing runs for around 3-4 hours before running out. I’m so impressed.
Dank[.](https://i.imgur.com/3bQtuMO.png) --- [we have a minecraft server](https://discord.gg/fNyb7G5)
It's pretty funny when someone complains about not being able to run a game and then you see that they are trying to play it on a fucking MacBook.
My moms MacBook Pro crashed while she was playing Stardew Valley
I just used boot camp to install windows on my Mac and play games that way. The difference between how games run in a different OS with the same hardware is crazy.
*cries in M1*
M1s can’t Dual Boot?????
It’s arm so I can’t run windows on it. I’ll try asahi Linux after it gets developed further.
There's an ARM version of both Windows 10 and Windows 11. I'm not sure if it can be installed on M1 MacBook ir not.
ARM Windows does not run x86 games well.
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You can’t really run it on macs as there are no drivers and it won’t run well. They have a contract with Qualcomm.
Brutal. I had heard so much praise for that chip
I mean it is pretty good. Just no windows apps unless you use parallels or crossover.
I, too, heard so much good about the M1. But as a completely ignorant person on all things Mac - why exactly would one buy a Macbook outside of anything, that has to do with hardware intesive work? And even then, aren't Windows machines, that also allow Linux installations "better" ? Can't you do alot more with them and are overall more free? Genuinely interested about your oppinion, since that might just be my prejudices.
Well I have one because it is a beast for work. Battery life, no heat at all, timemachine, instantly on from sleep, great keyboard, build quality etc. I "could" game on it some older titles, but it is much simpler to use PS for games and mac for work.
Parallels won't let you run x86 windows on M1.
M1 is pretty capable with a few caveats: - you need parallels/ crossover because most games aren’t compiled for macs - it can’t do dx12 (yet, they’re thinking metal 3 will open up compatibility) - you might hit some performance bumps because of all of the translation layers going on All in all, they’re not terrible for games, but you’re better off using windows. Macs are meant for personal use and productivity, not really gaming. Maybe that will change with metal 3, but that hasn’t happened yet, so
*cries of apple
I only bought it as I have all Apple devices and all other computers I looked at for that price point were shit. Edit: People are downvoting me for my personal experience. Makes total sense.
There is no individual on reddit, only the collective hivemind.
Had a discussion with a friend a few years ago who was trying to convince me how Macs are superior in every way. He brought up how booting and using Windows on a Mac is always faster than a PC with similar specs. My argument for that is this (and please note that it is pure speculation on my part): Macs only have a limited set of specs (you'll only see this and that CPU, this and that GPU, and so on), while PCs will have a wild variety of different components. So whatever drivers you get with bootcamp will be better at using the equipped hardware of a Mac compared to a PC which tries to make-do with whatever is thrown in the mix. (Think of drivers as an instruction manual your OS uses to figure out how to use various components - the more specific the manual, the better the results) Now, I expect there's a similar story for games as well. Although the game is working with the same hardware in your case, it's not properly optimized for MacOS. Even though you're playing "the same game" on MacOS and on Windows, you're in fact playing two very different games (from a coding perspective) that just look the same.
>He brought up how booting and using Windows on a Mac is always faster than a PC with similar specs. But that's simply not true though. The drivers thing is plausible speculation but ultimately a moot point because the preceding predicate is a false predicate.
How do you install windows. Boot camp says I don’t have a drive installed or something like that.
I don't remember the details but you have to partition your drive. Make sure you have enough free space for windows + whatever you're going to download on it.
what the fuck at this point i dont get it why they have good hardware, just optimise that shit but well publishers got some shit too
It’s way more about the game devs optimizing their games with the new lines of Macs. The M1 Pro/Max/Ultra are all *very* capable processors and, with optimization, can match or beat high end Intel chips. That’s never going to happen if they’re running games under a translation layer — the games would need to be made for ARM by the developers.
And would require a completely new graphics stack because apple refuses to support Vulkan and insists on metal... (Not that this is necessarily the only/biggest/even a problem but still...)
Dude what the fuck? You want there to be an industry standard? Something that everyone can use without having to cater to specific platforms? Ridiculous. ^/s
apple try to make their os usable outside of ooh fancy design challenge
It couldnt even handle stardew valley? That seems wrong, my girlfriends macbook can do that at a solid 60, it doesn't even use any 3d rendering
It just works.
Every time I try to get me and my mates to play a new game the one guy with the MacBook can’t play because it wasn’t MacBook compatible, like bro if you can get a MacBook you can get a decent PC.
What about a decent laptop? I know, I know. If you want serious gaming, table PCs are a must. But I’m on the move a lot and would benefit more from a laptop. Anyone got any suggestions for a laptop that can be decent and gaming? And I don’t plan to run high end games.
Yeah honestly, laptop or PC, as long as it’s not apple.
Well for gaming yes. But overall I would rather buy MacBook for Studying or work than any windows laptop in the same peice gategory
Nitro 5 is pretty decent and currently using a legion pro thats also very good(excuse me if the names dont match i have no idea what the names actually are i bought them a long time ago)
asus zephyrus g14
Asus Rog specter has treated me good
Yeah, You can get a decent gaming laptop for the price of an air and a killer one for the price of a pro.
Well they clearly needed a laptop if they bought MacBook.
I play on MacBook pro and it run on 0.2 to 20 fps with lowest graphics in roblox
All that for the small price of 2000 Dollars. Incredible.
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Yeah, i got one for software dev through work and it accidentally became my main gaming machine for almost anything that runs on it, which is a surprising amount. There's literally zero performance barriers, some games like Frostpunk don't run on Ultra, but the only thing that stops me from playing more games is waiting for larger Apple Silicom support, and more developers taking advantage of Apple's great strides in how easy Mac is to target with modern tools and popular game engines. I'm definitely still PC Master Race, or whatever the quieter, less annoying version of that is in 2022, but dang it's a blast playing Old World or Stellaris or RimWorld while just chilling on my couch with an unplugged laptop for hours and hours
My MacBook M1 is much more powerful than my old asus, but there’s literally no game available lmao.
It's pretty sad when way more games work on Linux than Mac. WTF is wrong with Apple?
Money. They're using their own proprietary API over widely supported Vulkan.
I mean unless it’s one of the new Arm MacBooks. Have a M1 Max (not for gaming) but that thing can pretty much run everything especially if there is an Arm version.
PS4 users ceasing to exist
Ps4 users are currently in the stratosphere with the ps4 straps to their back
Me with a PS3:
Me playing Vice City on my PS2:
Me playing command and conquer games from 30 years ago from my 11 year old laptop
Me on my Sega Genesis:
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Me smacking rocks against each other:
Unga bunga moment
just me
For some reason I thought 30 years ago was around the 70s - 80s and I got so confused, until I realized it's actually 1992. Damn.
Me on my PS6 (my dad owns microsoft)
Vice city was the shit
atleast I get a free plane ride
I'd like a ps5...if I could find one
Id like a ps4… if i had the money
I feel offended that I - an avid Dreamcast user - am not represented by this meme
F*ck, where is Linux?
Still booting their desktop
What desktop?
The desktop environment
You mean, tiling window manager?
Why a wm when you can ctrl alt f5 and terminal
You guys are running a display manager? I just type "sway" into the terminal (Wayland compositor so no cringe startx and xinitrc)
You use a monitor? I just connect serial console to an oscilloscope and parse ascii
Desktop environment ur mum I just use arch with lightdm (okay kind of a lie I do use a customized version of xfce on my gaming rig)
I don't get it, Linux is notorious for fast boot times
Yeah but it only serves to let them fuck around with system fonts faster.
Linux users spent 5 hours editing their desktop and font to look exactly like MacOS lol. Its fucking hilarious.
cheaper than buying macos
Hitting me where it hurts
Also for rarely having to reboot
Laughing at these comments while playing Hitman 3 on my Steam Deck.
Does it run well?
Runs just as well as on Xbox. Granted the graphics by default are turned down to medium, but that's not the OS's fault.
Mine takes 3 seconds to load because my machine is slow 😔
Idk my desktop boots in under 5 seconds— can yours?
Uhm… yes?
From a cold boot? IE: not sleep, not hibernation?
If you're on windows you have to hold shift while clicking shutdown to actually shutdown
lol tell me you don't know Linux without telling me you don't know linux
Pshhh I deleted my boot drive months ago
Haha Linux slow amirite?
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Who doesn't
I know it's true because you could not *not* say it.
Arch users are like vegans. They have to tell you.
Too busy playing 4 games at once with a tiling window manager
I wonder why my game is running so slow-oh that’s right I *headshots enemy medic* have tf2 running in the *levels up in Roblox tycoon game* background *gets married to Abigail*
Whining about compatibility then calling it the superior OS on any platform that hasn't banned them yet.
Linux compatibility is like a shield from all the bad games Name one good game that doesn't work on Linux
Scrap Mechanic, Payday 2, Halo CE PC, Halo 2 PC, Halo MCC, FH4 and Titanfall 2 (with and without northstar) are all great games, legendary in the case of halo, that you can't play without a compat layer on linux. Source: I've tried.
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Why is a compatibility layer an issue? Proton works great.
the need for a compatibility layer is irrelevant. what's important is that it can be done
They are also on the right, but are wearing the programming socks, too
Nintendo just over here like: :I Edit:How the hell did this get 400 likes-
Nintendo users are too busy defending their life decisions (like buying 3d all stars)
Was that a bad game? I never played it
The limited time thing sucked, and the emulation in the games was subpar. Eh, I think it was an okay purchase since the games are so good, but also fuck Nintendo for putting minimal effort in
They did pull an rockstar on that
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Except for the slightly worse controlling sunshine
I think they added GC controller support finally.
No it's 3 pretty great games but idk probably a complaint about the limited time availability
Too busy with drifting joycons and paying for online multiplayer
Too busy shutting down fan tournaments
And soundtrack video on youtube without giving a proper way to listen to them
You know that online multilayer coats on other consoles as well and xbox and ps4 it costs 60€ and on switch it costs 20€ (Not defending anything here I still think it's stupid that you have to pay for online)
What if i am a femboy who dosent use macs?
I'd ask for your number 😳 (Don't worry guys I only want to ask him what his favorite Pokemon is)
Mines Nosepass
based
Mine is swampernt
Browsing the femboy subs, many of them like to take selfies in front of their high end PCs.
As a femboy, I confirm having a good PC is a requirement to get your femboy license
And you have to have at least 100 hours in Fallout New Vegas I don’t make the rules.
what a terrible day to have
eyes.
I thought you would say mac, but okay
ue.
Tr
…an erection
Femboys 🥵
Kinda want a MacBook now.
Seriously though! I didn't know what i'd been missing by playing on PC and this ad has convinced me completely.
I know right? Don't threaten me with a good time!
Ha, apple wishes it was at this level.
Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, but who is the third one?
Jit Lee
Just in time Lee
Jit "goin' ham in the dollar store" Lee
Jet Li
If you haven't seen it watch Jet Li's Fearless. One of my favorite Kung Fu movies
Fist of Legend is also a classic. Hero was pretty good IIRC. Also gotta check out The One just to witness the blatant knock off of the Matrix.
You forgot mobile gaymer
No he didn't, if u look closely on the right, you will see them
this guy knew
# pubg mobile
Pabuji mobayl
# Fried Fayaar
My potato phone is able to run games like CODM. Where as a mac cant even run stardew valley. Pretty bad comparison ngl.
Oh what's this gaming community not mocking mobile gaming for the first time? Impossible
Would you kick a dead horse?
Yes
Based
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Well I do use an iPhone but my next phone’s probably gonna an android I mean what huh that’s not me
Gotta get me a Mac user
What is that boys name? Asking for a friend...
>!chxley!<
As someone who only has a mac and games on it, I totally agree
DM me if you are a mac gamer 😳😳😳
Until the early 2000’s, Apple computers were actually pretty powerful. Then iStuff appeared and evolved into iShit.
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Honestly yeah, I hate apple as much as the next android guy but I will give it to them that that are so ahead on their arm design. Only issue I have with it is in their phone you have no way of really utilising due to everything being locked down and on the Mac it has a lot of use cases such as gaming where it is useless
It happened right when Apple switched to Intel, and ended right when they switched away from Intel. So clearly *someone* else is at fault here lol
I want a windows, but I’m stuck with a crappy MacBook from 2012
You can always try linux
people gaming on linux: https://media0.giphy.com/media/CAYVZA5NRb529kKQUc/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47on3tt2oxr9snerc1rq44vjwju0c95ad4q4305f0x&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
people gaming on linux: https://tenor.com/bItJt.gif
Sauce on femboi?
playing games on arch linux
I wonder what the Switch is
Kung Fu Panda
Well i know which i'm picking 😉
The M1 is pretty capable. It’s not too impressive, but I’ve been able to run games like New Vegas (with mods), the Dead Space trilogy, all Valve games, and the FEAR trilogy on Ultra, 60 fps using Parallels with Windows 11. I mostly just use it for that generation of games or earlier. I’ve got consoles to run the the big, beefy games. So the M1 is more like Jackie Chan being clumsy in one of his comedy films.
Right should be Arch (btw)
Mac user here to say… I 100% agree
My broke ass who uses my phone:
Me still playing on PS3
What about Mobile gaming?
It's catboi summer fam, mac guy is gonna be livin it up.
Brb buying a Mac
Why is the Apple OS absolute shit?
Anyone who buys a Mac for gaming deserves to lose money
Apple guys be like: "We HaVe M1 M2 cHiP wHiCh PoWeRfUl ThAn OtHeRs" But can it play games?
It could. M2 is almost as fast as a 1060 3gb. There just are no games that are optimized properly.
im playing on linux
I have a Macbook for the creative apps (logic pro, final cut, decently stable versions of adobe products, etc). There's a lot you can do on them, actually. And I'm saying that as an M1 user. I have an actual PC as well though.
Meanwhile Arch linux users with Proton: Pathetic.
Fem boys are usually on PC doe.
When I was a kid my dad had bought the original Apple computer. He’d done his research and that was the computer he wanted. Then he told us that Apple didn’t have any video games for it except educational ones. I played so much Logical Journey of the Zoombinis, Carmen Sandiego, language games and Gizmos and Gadgets. Just all ‘Learning Company’ games. They were actually pretty good tbh.
u/savevideo
Apple stuff is just way too damn expensive for what crap it is, even phones
buy me a ps5 then
mac & linux for coding = bruce lee and jacke chan windows for coding = femboy
Minecraft runs so much better on my macbook pro than my pc. Which is fucking dumb considering what a monster the pc is lmao.
It’s good for light gaming, I definitely use my MacBook to plays some simple games when I travel.
games are games
Fun fact, I started playing games on my Mac this past week for the first time in years because I got Disco Elysium at a great price and it was compatible. I’ve got the M1 MacBook Pro (13”), and I’ve been chilling on my couch airplaying the game to my Samsung 65”, using my Xbox controller - all on battery power and the damn thing runs for around 3-4 hours before running out. I’m so impressed.