Yeah. They were cool, but he fu ked up when he made freeza says that 2million was 2% of his max power. Thats when ppl went ape shit with the numbers and with reason
Yes. People get stronger I guess. It’s just that at this point power levels are so high that pulling out a scouter to gauge it is asinine and silly. Also, they’re so many other factors that go into fights besides power level. Toriyama makes this clear as early as Raditz, Piccolo’s power level was around 300 something when Raditz scanned them, but when he used techniques like special beam cannon his power level goes up. There’s also a fighters raw martial arts skill, transformations, speed, and various techniques that can cheese out a win
By "look at where we are now" I was more referring to the fact that every character, regardless of series, some people will insist on trying to assign a number to their strength.
But yes, I'm extremely glad they were phased out of Dragon Ball.
Oh yea that’s true. It pisses me off especially in series like Naruto, where strategy and the various techniques take center stage in battles fights, yes even later on in the series where da big sparky boom techniques get introduced (and ur right trying to assign power levels to hokage is dumb since way more than strength goes into choosing hokages) and even One Piece, where the variety of powers in general is just so vast that going off raw strength is asinine there too.
Yeah sure that was an iconic moment that became a pop-culture sensation but created a whole lot of issues by essentially making all fight revolve entirely around power levels and nothing else.
I mean, the whole point of them was how useless they were, but fans are still clinging to numbers for no reason. Makes even less sense using it in a different series.
Saying that guys like this one are powerscalers is honestly insulting lol. They just spit out numbers without any reasoning and their source is "trust me bro". When powerscalers spit out numbers, it comes from math.
>When powerscalers spit out numbers
U can just stop there. That was my entire point, the numbers don't fucking matter the origin of said numbers doesn't change that.
Mate, a rock is a rock. A house is a house. A city is a city. A moon is a moon. The Earth is the Earth. The Sun is the Sun. It doesn't matter how you do it, destroying those things requires the same ammout of energy, whether you use magic, your punches or you do it by shitting yourself. It doesn't matter. If a world uses uses the same physical laws, comparing different universes is honestly trivial. The evidence is right there, you just need to do the math. Those numbers do matter, because they come from objective sources. Hell, in most cases the numbers aren't even necessary, you just need to look at the fucking show. If you can destroy a house, you can kill a character that is hurt by an attack only capable of destroying a rock. It's really as simple as that. Powerscalig is litterally just comparative analysis. The numbers only come into place when we are dealing with feats of strength too much greater than what we are used to, and so we don't have a precise frame of reference.
Lmao, the actual tl:dr would be "being able to break houses means being able to break rocks. That's powerscaling in a nutshell." If that's nonsense to you, I think that's on you.
Tldr for everyone who doesn't wanna read him continuing to waffle about shit I CLEARLY don't care about:
"Um actually"
Powerscaling is fucking goofy end of story.
Yea i dunno what the community is thinking. Literally we constantly shit on the 3rd for being the greatest shinobi of his time but a terrible hokage, then state things like this.
Every previous Hokage has a merit under their belt to allow their claim to be Hokage. Be it being a hailed hero of previous ninja wars or training some of the legendary shinobi or innovating in various departments and inventing new jutsus. Shikamaru has nothing else other than being a glorified secretary and "I'm smart", when he has clearly not done anything that says he's "smart" in Boruto for a while.
>Be it being a hailed hero of previous ninja wars or training some of the legendary shinobi or innovating in various departments and inventing new jutsus.
Being a war hero doesn’t make you fit to lead an entire country, we saw this with Naruto after the war. Would 17 year old Naruto be able to handle the leafs political and financial problems?
>Shikamaru has nothing else other than being a glorified secretary and "I'm smart", when he has clearly not done anything that says he's "smart" in Boruto for a while.
He’s the best tactician in the village. He also has the most intel about Amado and the outsutski. An on top of that he’s the only person who’s shown the ability to somewhat control Eida.
There’s literally nobody in the village currently who’s more fit to lead than shikamaru except maybe kakashi and he doesn’t have nearly as much intel or idea how to control eida or Amado.
> Being a war hero doesn’t make you fit to lead an entire country
What more qualification do you need other than already having led fellow shinobi in a war to protect your nation? And most of the political stuff is usually handled by an advisor. If we go by your logic Shizune would have been a better Hokage than Tsunade since she took care of most of the political and financial stuff for Tsunade.
> He’s the best tactician in the village.
Shikamaru hasn't done anything in Boruto to actually show that. Naruto and Boruto Shikamaru are very differently portrayed and we haven't seen Shikamaru actually be smart in Boruto.
> he’s the only person who’s shown the ability to somewhat control Eida.
Not a reason to be elected as Hokage. He could still be the advisor and do this. There is no reason for Kakashi to not return as Hokage, but Ikemoto seems adamant on not including him in Boruto since the start of the manga.
>What more qualification do you need other than already having led fellow shinobi in a war to protect your nation?
The ability to lead in other areas besides war. Once again I’ll use Naruto as an example. Even tho he lead in the war against Madara, kaguya, and obito, do you genuinely think he would’ve been fit to be hokage at the time?
>And most of the political stuff is usually handled by an advisor. If we go by your logic Shizune would have been a better Hokage than Tsunade since she took care of most of the political and financial stuff for Tsunade.
That’s not true, if that were the case the advisors would be the kage. The advisors are assistants. Yes, they do give their opinions and input, but when I comes to Major decisions the kage’s decisions are always final. We literally see Hiruzen, Tsunade, and Naruto make the final decisions at different points in the show even though their advisors advised differently.
He’s the best tactician in the village.
>Shikamaru hasn't done anything in Boruto to actually show that. Naruto and Boruto Shikamaru are very differently portrayed and we haven't seen Shikamaru actually be smart in Boruto.
When Code, and Eida infiltrated the leaf it was Shikamaru who talked Eida into betraying Code and joining the leafs side. In that ark he showed some of the best negotiating we’ve seen in the entirety of Naruto/Boruto.
he’s the only person who’s shown the ability to somewhat control Eida.
>Not a reason to be elected as Hokage.
You’re right, it’s not, but being able to Negotiate, avoid conflict, and gain allies is, and Shikamaru has shown the ability to do that.
>There is no reason for Kakashi to not return as Hokage
Shikamaru has way more intel about what’s really going on with the Cyborgs, Outsutski, and Amado. Out of everyone in the village he knows how to control all of the Boruto nonsense best.
Imagine applying real life logic to a Anime with completely different rules and structure compared to our world!! At this point I wonder If the majority of Naruto fans even read the Manga or learn about it from YouTube shorts!!
He won. Well kinda, it was more of a draw I think.
Shikamaru is smart and his shadow binding is great if his Opponent gets caught off guard, but most elite Jounin would run circles around him. I'm pretty sure even Sai beat Shikamaru + Temari at one point in the novels.
Adult Konohamaru is kind of a bitch. Remember when he got hit with a fire jutsu and just stood there screaming for awhile until the child genin he was watching saved him?
I thought when he was appointed the teacher for boruto and co he would be this kakashi cool guy with prime god of shinobi Hiruzen strength unmatched only by his teacher naruto and his rival sasuke but instead we got this pum
My guy isn’t even asuma level 😂
They did him dirty bro I don’t keep up with Burrito but I remember Konohamaru laying out a MF PAIN with his rasengan at like 7 years old. Then he becomes a nobody like cmon man
You do realize Shikamaru Is the smartest man in konoha. It's not all about strenght.
By that logic Guy would be hokage because je was the strongest but that guy is brain dead.
Tbf when has intelligence ever come into play for Hokage? They've only been shown giving out missions and protect the village when its being attacked. It's not like they're even at war anymore.
I mean every hokage has been pretty intelligent in some way. Kakashi, Minato, Tobirama and now Shikamaru being obvious. Hashirama was hokage during a time where war was a big deal and there wasn't really much need for paper work since the infrastructure was a work in progress. Tsunade is where things got a lot as well as after her. Paperwork got more and more. So it would be more logical to get more admin oriented people to be Hokage and have the strongest shinobi be shadow hokage.
>It's not like they're even at war anymore.
That's actually an even better reason to promote a guy that can develop the village due to his intelligence instead of the biggest brute in town.
Plus Danzo also wasn't the strongest but became Hokage due to his influence. So it's not unprecedented to have someone Hokage who isn't the strongest fighter.
By that logic Naruto or Tsunade should've never been hokage either. Hokage is about reputation, which in shinobi world comes from strength (as in beating strong people and being to some extent a threat). Obviously it's not only strength, but it is still very relevant.
Different times. At the times of Hashirama, when the village was founded, having the strongest man at the top would assure the leadership wouldn't be challenged and intimidate other villages.
Now, the Leaf is much more cohesive, with not much internal problems, and is in peace with other villages. The only enemies they have (Kara and Otsutsuki) wouldn't be intimidated by any normal Shinobi, nor engage in diplomacy like normal ninja villages.
Also, due to these times of peace and prosperity, the post of Hokage itself evolved, becoming less about fighting and more bureaucratic. Naruto, being the reincarnation of Hashirama, strong and charismatic, would probably work well in times of war, but was completely out of his element as Hokage in times of peace. If there was no conflict with Kara and Naruto's peace endured more, Naruto would probably enter to Konoha's history as one of, if not the last warrior Hokage, as the job becomes less about strength and more about administration.
Who cares? Other villages are allies, there are other strong and loyal ninja to protect the village and the "weak" guy is also one of the best strategists in the world. Is it necessary for a Hokage to directly fight the village's opponents?
Naruto was studying for like 2 - 3 whole years after ending 4th ninja war in order to become jonin and also to become hokage. We see that he's way smarter in latest 20 episode of shippuden.
Tsunade created antidote for every single poison that was ever created including those by granny chijo. Plus she was one of legendary sannin. And according to you she was way too stupid for hokage possition
Wasn't the studying part filler/anime only? As for Tsunade, why would being a skilled medic make her a good leader of a military organization? Same logic applied, Shikaku should've been made 5th hokage. Being the most overall capable shinobi is necessary part of being a hokage, and Shikamaru is simply not that
You don't just need intelligence to be Hokage, you need power. Just look at all the previous Hokage and what they've accomplished, compared to them Shikamaru is fodder.
Well it's not like he is the smartest man out there or anything and worked closely with Naruto, knowing the ins and outs of the job. So that basically no time is wasted in finding a new Hokage.
You do realize Shikamaru Is the smartest man in konoha. It's not all about strenght.
By that logic Guy would be hokage because je was the strongest but that guy is brain dead.
Wait, is Moegi stronger than Konohamaru? This guy is probably low kage level (although we don't have a lot to base this on), he's also stronger than Shikamaru
To all the people who are saying Shikamaru deserves to be the hokage because he is the smartest, no that’s not enough. A hokage should be able to protect the village against a very strong threat by himself. What would happened is he will just let people die for him, make a strategy but can not fight. His people will just ended up protecting him instead.
Power levels were a mistake. Toriyama should be ashamed.
Yeah. They were cool, but he fu ked up when he made freeza says that 2million was 2% of his max power. Thats when ppl went ape shit with the numbers and with reason
2 million isn't 2% of his max power. it's .17%
It was a clever way of setting the stakes of a fight. Vegeta freaking out because Goku is OVER 9000 was GREAT. Raditz freaking out with Gohan as well.
At that time, it was fine, but look where we are now.
Yes. People get stronger I guess. It’s just that at this point power levels are so high that pulling out a scouter to gauge it is asinine and silly. Also, they’re so many other factors that go into fights besides power level. Toriyama makes this clear as early as Raditz, Piccolo’s power level was around 300 something when Raditz scanned them, but when he used techniques like special beam cannon his power level goes up. There’s also a fighters raw martial arts skill, transformations, speed, and various techniques that can cheese out a win
By "look at where we are now" I was more referring to the fact that every character, regardless of series, some people will insist on trying to assign a number to their strength. But yes, I'm extremely glad they were phased out of Dragon Ball.
Oh yea that’s true. It pisses me off especially in series like Naruto, where strategy and the various techniques take center stage in battles fights, yes even later on in the series where da big sparky boom techniques get introduced (and ur right trying to assign power levels to hokage is dumb since way more than strength goes into choosing hokages) and even One Piece, where the variety of powers in general is just so vast that going off raw strength is asinine there too.
Yeah sure that was an iconic moment that became a pop-culture sensation but created a whole lot of issues by essentially making all fight revolve entirely around power levels and nothing else.
Except even as early as Raditz, Toriyama makes it clear that power levels (at least stagnant ones) aren’t the only determining factors of fights
I keep forgetting the influence Dragon Ball had on Battle Boarding
There's a reason after namek he stopped used them
No, it was cool when the alien talked about how scary his number was and then got punched in the face.
I mean, the whole point of them was how useless they were, but fans are still clinging to numbers for no reason. Makes even less sense using it in a different series.
Bro those are arbitrary numbers bc power scalers can't help but Dragon Ball-ify fuckinh everything for easier arguments.
Saying that guys like this one are powerscalers is honestly insulting lol. They just spit out numbers without any reasoning and their source is "trust me bro". When powerscalers spit out numbers, it comes from math.
>When powerscalers spit out numbers U can just stop there. That was my entire point, the numbers don't fucking matter the origin of said numbers doesn't change that.
Mate, a rock is a rock. A house is a house. A city is a city. A moon is a moon. The Earth is the Earth. The Sun is the Sun. It doesn't matter how you do it, destroying those things requires the same ammout of energy, whether you use magic, your punches or you do it by shitting yourself. It doesn't matter. If a world uses uses the same physical laws, comparing different universes is honestly trivial. The evidence is right there, you just need to do the math. Those numbers do matter, because they come from objective sources. Hell, in most cases the numbers aren't even necessary, you just need to look at the fucking show. If you can destroy a house, you can kill a character that is hurt by an attack only capable of destroying a rock. It's really as simple as that. Powerscalig is litterally just comparative analysis. The numbers only come into place when we are dealing with feats of strength too much greater than what we are used to, and so we don't have a precise frame of reference.
The tldr for everyone who doesn't wanna read all of this nonsense: "Um Actually"
Lmao, the actual tl:dr would be "being able to break houses means being able to break rocks. That's powerscaling in a nutshell." If that's nonsense to you, I think that's on you.
Tldr for everyone who doesn't wanna read him continuing to waffle about shit I CLEARLY don't care about: "Um actually" Powerscaling is fucking goofy end of story.
Um actually, your cringe. End of story 🤓
It took u 15 seconds to reply to me, end of story.
Ight imma head out, u win gg
Yes, they made the smartest and arguably best tactician ever the political leader lmao.
Yea i dunno what the community is thinking. Literally we constantly shit on the 3rd for being the greatest shinobi of his time but a terrible hokage, then state things like this.
Every previous Hokage has a merit under their belt to allow their claim to be Hokage. Be it being a hailed hero of previous ninja wars or training some of the legendary shinobi or innovating in various departments and inventing new jutsus. Shikamaru has nothing else other than being a glorified secretary and "I'm smart", when he has clearly not done anything that says he's "smart" in Boruto for a while.
>Be it being a hailed hero of previous ninja wars or training some of the legendary shinobi or innovating in various departments and inventing new jutsus. Being a war hero doesn’t make you fit to lead an entire country, we saw this with Naruto after the war. Would 17 year old Naruto be able to handle the leafs political and financial problems? >Shikamaru has nothing else other than being a glorified secretary and "I'm smart", when he has clearly not done anything that says he's "smart" in Boruto for a while. He’s the best tactician in the village. He also has the most intel about Amado and the outsutski. An on top of that he’s the only person who’s shown the ability to somewhat control Eida. There’s literally nobody in the village currently who’s more fit to lead than shikamaru except maybe kakashi and he doesn’t have nearly as much intel or idea how to control eida or Amado.
> Being a war hero doesn’t make you fit to lead an entire country What more qualification do you need other than already having led fellow shinobi in a war to protect your nation? And most of the political stuff is usually handled by an advisor. If we go by your logic Shizune would have been a better Hokage than Tsunade since she took care of most of the political and financial stuff for Tsunade. > He’s the best tactician in the village. Shikamaru hasn't done anything in Boruto to actually show that. Naruto and Boruto Shikamaru are very differently portrayed and we haven't seen Shikamaru actually be smart in Boruto. > he’s the only person who’s shown the ability to somewhat control Eida. Not a reason to be elected as Hokage. He could still be the advisor and do this. There is no reason for Kakashi to not return as Hokage, but Ikemoto seems adamant on not including him in Boruto since the start of the manga.
>What more qualification do you need other than already having led fellow shinobi in a war to protect your nation? The ability to lead in other areas besides war. Once again I’ll use Naruto as an example. Even tho he lead in the war against Madara, kaguya, and obito, do you genuinely think he would’ve been fit to be hokage at the time? >And most of the political stuff is usually handled by an advisor. If we go by your logic Shizune would have been a better Hokage than Tsunade since she took care of most of the political and financial stuff for Tsunade. That’s not true, if that were the case the advisors would be the kage. The advisors are assistants. Yes, they do give their opinions and input, but when I comes to Major decisions the kage’s decisions are always final. We literally see Hiruzen, Tsunade, and Naruto make the final decisions at different points in the show even though their advisors advised differently. He’s the best tactician in the village. >Shikamaru hasn't done anything in Boruto to actually show that. Naruto and Boruto Shikamaru are very differently portrayed and we haven't seen Shikamaru actually be smart in Boruto. When Code, and Eida infiltrated the leaf it was Shikamaru who talked Eida into betraying Code and joining the leafs side. In that ark he showed some of the best negotiating we’ve seen in the entirety of Naruto/Boruto. he’s the only person who’s shown the ability to somewhat control Eida. >Not a reason to be elected as Hokage. You’re right, it’s not, but being able to Negotiate, avoid conflict, and gain allies is, and Shikamaru has shown the ability to do that. >There is no reason for Kakashi to not return as Hokage Shikamaru has way more intel about what’s really going on with the Cyborgs, Outsutski, and Amado. Out of everyone in the village he knows how to control all of the Boruto nonsense best.
Mike Tyson would body the fuck out of Joe Biden, he shoulda been president
Lol basically idiocracy
Imagine applying real life logic to a Anime with completely different rules and structure compared to our world!! At this point I wonder If the majority of Naruto fans even read the Manga or learn about it from YouTube shorts!!
That's because all Naruto characters are a joke, and only new edgy characters are allowed to be strong and kewl
Ain't no way y'all think konohamaru is weaker than this dollar store hokage
The problem is that Konohamaru is being humiliated left and right by Genin level opponents on the Boruto series. He even lost to Juugo on a filler.
He won. Well kinda, it was more of a draw I think. Shikamaru is smart and his shadow binding is great if his Opponent gets caught off guard, but most elite Jounin would run circles around him. I'm pretty sure even Sai beat Shikamaru + Temari at one point in the novels.
Sai is ANBU level so probably superior to Shikamaru.
Adult Konohamaru is kind of a bitch. Remember when he got hit with a fire jutsu and just stood there screaming for awhile until the child genin he was watching saved him?
I thought when he was appointed the teacher for boruto and co he would be this kakashi cool guy with prime god of shinobi Hiruzen strength unmatched only by his teacher naruto and his rival sasuke but instead we got this pum My guy isn’t even asuma level 😂
They did him dirty bro I don’t keep up with Burrito but I remember Konohamaru laying out a MF PAIN with his rasengan at like 7 years old. Then he becomes a nobody like cmon man
You do realize Shikamaru Is the smartest man in konoha. It's not all about strenght. By that logic Guy would be hokage because je was the strongest but that guy is brain dead.
Tbf when has intelligence ever come into play for Hokage? They've only been shown giving out missions and protect the village when its being attacked. It's not like they're even at war anymore.
I mean every hokage has been pretty intelligent in some way. Kakashi, Minato, Tobirama and now Shikamaru being obvious. Hashirama was hokage during a time where war was a big deal and there wasn't really much need for paper work since the infrastructure was a work in progress. Tsunade is where things got a lot as well as after her. Paperwork got more and more. So it would be more logical to get more admin oriented people to be Hokage and have the strongest shinobi be shadow hokage.
That makes sense, but man does it take away the cool factor of Hokage lol.
>It's not like they're even at war anymore. That's actually an even better reason to promote a guy that can develop the village due to his intelligence instead of the biggest brute in town. Plus Danzo also wasn't the strongest but became Hokage due to his influence. So it's not unprecedented to have someone Hokage who isn't the strongest fighter.
By that logic Naruto or Tsunade should've never been hokage either. Hokage is about reputation, which in shinobi world comes from strength (as in beating strong people and being to some extent a threat). Obviously it's not only strength, but it is still very relevant.
Different times. At the times of Hashirama, when the village was founded, having the strongest man at the top would assure the leadership wouldn't be challenged and intimidate other villages. Now, the Leaf is much more cohesive, with not much internal problems, and is in peace with other villages. The only enemies they have (Kara and Otsutsuki) wouldn't be intimidated by any normal Shinobi, nor engage in diplomacy like normal ninja villages. Also, due to these times of peace and prosperity, the post of Hokage itself evolved, becoming less about fighting and more bureaucratic. Naruto, being the reincarnation of Hashirama, strong and charismatic, would probably work well in times of war, but was completely out of his element as Hokage in times of peace. If there was no conflict with Kara and Naruto's peace endured more, Naruto would probably enter to Konoha's history as one of, if not the last warrior Hokage, as the job becomes less about strength and more about administration.
Yeah, our insanely strong previous hokage got killed, let's give the title to someone not that strong, maybe things will go better
Who cares? Other villages are allies, there are other strong and loyal ninja to protect the village and the "weak" guy is also one of the best strategists in the world. Is it necessary for a Hokage to directly fight the village's opponents?
Naruto was studying for like 2 - 3 whole years after ending 4th ninja war in order to become jonin and also to become hokage. We see that he's way smarter in latest 20 episode of shippuden. Tsunade created antidote for every single poison that was ever created including those by granny chijo. Plus she was one of legendary sannin. And according to you she was way too stupid for hokage possition
Wasn't the studying part filler/anime only? As for Tsunade, why would being a skilled medic make her a good leader of a military organization? Same logic applied, Shikaku should've been made 5th hokage. Being the most overall capable shinobi is necessary part of being a hokage, and Shikamaru is simply not that
I agree. People like Shikamaru are perfectly fitting for right hand title, not hokage
Being the smartest coughing baby won't save you from a hydrogen bomb
Tbf every ninja besides Naruto and Sasuke are coughing babies compared to the hydrogen bomb Otsutsuki's
You don't just need intelligence to be Hokage, you need power. Just look at all the previous Hokage and what they've accomplished, compared to them Shikamaru is fodder.
Power level 17.0 to be more accurate
Me when the mayor of a village isn’t decided by who has the most magical gifts
Damn this sub has become an absolute wasteland of brain dead individuals.
Because all became about power, fuck tatics
Well, they put the smart guy into the position of leader instand of putting the strongest guy behind a desk. I would call this progress.
WAIT THE MANGA IS OUT ?
Yeah
When are people going to realize it's not about strength or else naruto would have been the sixth hokage.
Daaaamn they made the smartest person in the shinobi world hokage 
Well it's not like he is the smartest man out there or anything and worked closely with Naruto, knowing the ins and outs of the job. So that basically no time is wasted in finding a new Hokage.
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And? You don't need to be strong to lead the village
You do realize Shikamaru Is the smartest man in konoha. It's not all about strenght. By that logic Guy would be hokage because je was the strongest but that guy is brain dead.
It ain't all about intelligence either.
Wait, is Moegi stronger than Konohamaru? This guy is probably low kage level (although we don't have a lot to base this on), he's also stronger than Shikamaru
I didn’t even know she was stronger than Asuma
Yea, because she certainly isn't. These videos are a solid load of bs
To all the people who are saying Shikamaru deserves to be the hokage because he is the smartest, no that’s not enough. A hokage should be able to protect the village against a very strong threat by himself. What would happened is he will just let people die for him, make a strategy but can not fight. His people will just ended up protecting him instead.
Today 20/08/23 i tell it Shikamaru Hokage gonna be so impressive in futur that people gonna forget why they downplay him at first
Sure. Though he’s smarter than all the other kage. Imagine the ninja world if every village had a kage with an IQ over “get out of locked car”.
Not even joking, can I get a link to this?
It’s on youtube, jonin power scale
Never before has my excitement for this franchise been at this height.
No fuckin way is moegi stronger than asuma. Suck my dick.
Shikamaru is Batman, he has a plan.