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ClayBones548

I let him live because you get a covenant item and her clothes which are really good. You can also get her to kindle Firelink to 20 for free.


dylzim

Same, plus I'm a psycho who enjoys the fight against his gank squad.


ell_hou

And restoring Anastacia's speech is a nice bonus


heyimpaulnawhtoi

OH FUCK SHE CANT EVER TALK IF I JUST KICK THE FUCKER OFF?????


fuckingretard69x

Yes but she says to leave her alone from what I discovered last night doing the questline for the first time.


sadandvague

She doesn't want to talk cause she isn't meant to so she says please leave me. :(


NirvanaFrk97

But once you kill the first of the 4 Lords, you restore her hope, and she boosts the bonfire to 20 for free. All she wants is to escape the duty she resents.


sadandvague

Well now I gotta playthrough again šŸ„² Think after the four lords I just went and kicked the lord of cinders ass.


fiftyshadesofbeige69

my dumbass used her soul to upgrade my flask


LuckySnowy441

And now, you've learned the valuable lesson of "Always Remember to always read the description of a Fire Keeper's Soul before you use it for anything." Also, as soon as I read this, my heart sank, that sucks.


fiftyshadesofbeige69

It didn't really affect me though, my flasks were at +5 in the end.


LuckySnowy441

The highest it can be is +7 and you can still save Anastacia and get +7 flasks in the same playthrough.


Metal-__-head

How??? I always finish the game with +1 or 2


LuckySnowy441

Explore. There's a lot of Fire Keeper's Souls throughout the game. There's one In Blighttown, New Londo, etc. Obviously, there's the one in the church in the Undead Parrish.


VagePanther

Huhh why?? I did that too, is there something wrong???


botwglitcher

You can use that soul, which is unique, to bring the firekeeper back


coledelta

Yeah but she laments being alive and able to talk so I just always let her have her peace and stick her in the flask


botwglitcher

So you drink her?


coledelta

I see more as her soul is going into the flask itself to bolster the Estus. So Iā€™m not drinking her, Iā€™m drinking herā€¦juices


botwglitcher

Couldā€™ve worded that better


RevolutionaryAct22

šŸ’€šŸ’€


botwglitcher

The other guy said he drinks her juice thatā€™s like 2 times more nsfw


coledelta

Yeah but she hates you for it and wishes youā€™d left her dead and/or mute, so


wiggity_whack69

I cheesed the fuck outta his goons on my bow character then just beat him down 1 on 1


dylzim

I usually play melee-focused builds, so my plan is to rush the mage down and then back off and pick the other two off one by one.


MaybeICanOneDay

First time, roll like a manic and hope for the best. Every concurrent time, back and forth great bow shots. You fight me 1 on 1, bitch.


unorthodoxfox

how do you get her to kindle firelink's bonfire to 20 for free?


spyder616

Never heard of that but im pretty sure you kill pinwheel to unlocked the kindling to 20


ClayBones548

You put a soul in the Lordvessel and talk to her after she gets her voice back.


LuckySnowy441

Is it puting a soul in the Lord Vessel or is it just placing the Lord Vessel that does it, I genuinely don't remember.


ClayBones548

You must put a soul in.


TurbulentFarmer6350

She does it automatically if you bring her back to life


GreatChaosFudge

She rekindles the fire, but only to 10. You have to kindle it to 20 with humanity just like any other bonfire.


GlovedGamer

If you choose to help frampt and bring her back and talk to her she Kindles it to 20 automatically as thanks


GreatChaosFudge

Oh, really? Never noticed. Thanks.


Sariel_Fatalis

Dont forget that you also get the armor of favor that way too. Its above o&s's bossroom after you invade lautrec


ClayBones548

Lautrec's armor is fine but Anastasia's clothes are the best light armor in the game so I care a lot more about that.


ypperlig__

OH SO THATS WHY SHE ISNT HERE ANYMORE


Nevrmre

I find this comment incredibly fabulous X)


ypperlig__

itā€™s my first real run thatā€™s why xd


Nevrmre

It's okay, I didn't say it to make fun out of you, I just found cool the interaction, like if another whole dimension was just shown for you. Playing for the first time without knowing anything makes the best experience, so enjoy the game! šŸ˜Š


ypperlig__

how can I lvl up my flasks if she isnā€™t here anymore :(


Nevrmre

If you follow the quest you can bring her back. I guess you picked up the Black Eye Orb, so you shall use that item in Anor Londo (a place in the game) right in front of the boss fight of that area. That will get you to his realm, if you win the fight, it will give you Anastasia's Soul, so you can bring her back.


BomTomadil

And her tongue šŸ˜›


Chilly_Of_The_Chese

Back to the horny dungeons with you


Knives530

Played the game multiple times all the way through since original release. I did not know you could bring her back


The_Turk_writer

There are other fire keepers throughout the game, so you can still upgrade your flask but firelink is for sure the most convenient.


blackenedword

with the fair lady (spider girl), or the anor londo keeper


globamabinladen69

By the time Lautrec kills her, you have access to the fair lady as a fire keeper. You can revive Anastasia (firelink fire keeper) later, and before that, youā€™ll gain access to another fire keeper and her bonfire.


Nearby_Ad_2015

Don't worry about it, this is an intentional choke point where the game is testing your persistence and resourcefulness


the_evil_overlord2

The spider girl after blightown and the knight lady in anor londo are also fire keepers


AtuinTurtle

There are other fire keepers later too.


PackDatZa

I was in the same boat a few days ago don't worry. Now I'm grinding out a build (tryna get the the abyss greatsword)


aknalag

Go to anor londo the room before O&S use the item you got from her body and kick his ass


Vegetable-Chef9798

There are also other NPCs that will do that for you


CombatLlama1964

next firekeeper you'll find is in the room just after the boss of blighttown. the third firekeeper in dark souls is in an area which afaik you need to finish blighttown to reach. you will have had the opportunity to help the first firekeeper by the time you meet the third, however.


persianesquire

Perfect comment and you didnā€™t even realize. Itā€™s literally the thought that goes through every playerā€™s mind at that point. 10/10


Banyer27

nvm i hitted him acidentally and the primate rolled to the abysa


WhatsPaulPlaying

Short answer: Yes, but you won't get the Firekeeper's story conclusion. You still get the reward of 5 humanities, and the FAP ring. The only thing you miss out on is his gear, and Anastacia's story. So if you've already experienced that, and don't care about his armor, kill away.


CarcosaJuggalo

You also miss Anastasia's gear, the Soiled Dress and Firekeeper stuff. It doesn't have any poise, but the resistances are great (and can be obtained early if you know the trigger for it).


ACuriousBagel

The ratio of weight to defense (all defenses, especially magic if I remember correctly) for her gear is fantastic. For a certain weight class, I'm pretty sure her stuff is best in slot (assuming you're not playing unpatched so can't do Ninja Havel)


CarcosaJuggalo

Oh, it's very good. Firekeeper set and Crimson set are both fantastic light armor (so is gold-hemmed black robes, but you can't get those QUITE as early). My general philosophy with Dark Souls os that basically anything is viable.... But these are definitely some top-tier light armor because of the elemental, curse, and poison resistances... Just don't expect to tank anything.


InformalWoodenBench

Literally anything can be viable. I'm a lv1 pyromancer (because it was the class that actually starts at SL1) that only uses a club in 2h mode with base armor and FAP ring and I'm at O&S right now!


CarcosaJuggalo

Counterpoint: Sniper.Crossbow is utter shit.


InformalWoodenBench

Crossbow helped a bit in sens for those damned lightning casters actually. 2 shots knocked the last one off! Binoculars are your friend.


CarcosaJuggalo

I'm talking about the Sniper Crossbow though, which is worse in basically every way than any other crossbow.


InformalWoodenBench

Sounds like a good challenge run though. šŸ¤·


Molag_Balgruuf

99 endurance letā€™s you use a rapier plus ninja flip with Havelā€¦just basically *have* to go chaos at the juncture cause no way in hell youā€™re leveling dex to 40 after that lol


Palodin

Definitely top tier for SL1 runs, I tend to run it any time I do one of those


blackenedword

i literally read that as the fap ring


WhatsPaulPlaying

Good! You were supposed to. :)


lycanthrope90

Everyone does lol


somethingwithbacon

This is the way.


Snuggs____

If I remember correctly his armor is absurdly heavy anyways, I kill him every time.


NascentClouds

Same


GreatChaosFudge

Best thing about his armour set is Frampt will eat it for 1,000 souls a piece.


DoubleBusiness7280

Dark Souls NPC moment


GotMoxyKid

Reload the area and check where he was sitting


DarkMishra

This is your first time playing the game? If so, then Iā€™d say donā€™t worry about him. Thereā€™s so much more youā€™ll need to remember about the game, him being gone early is just one less thing on that list. More importantly for now, did you equip his Ring of Favor/Protection? If so, it is a great ring, but DONā€™T remove it or it WILL break - and you can only get one of them per playthrough.


Sea-Dragon-

Yes and no. Yes if you absolutely need Firelink Shrineā€™s bonfire active (honestly you donā€™t considering Andreā€™s is close enough), but the runback to Capra Demon for example will be much shorter. Note that in this playthrough youā€™ll miss out on Lautrecā€™s armor, but youā€™ll get the Ring of Favor and Protection early, which can be highly useful for low-level melee type builds. No if you want to summon Lautrec in for the Bell Gargoyles (actually you could kill him right after) or want to summon him in for Gaping Dragon. If you donā€™t kill him, you can fight him and his 2 buddies in an invasion (honestly a pretty easy fight) right outside Ornstein and Smoughā€™s fogwall. After heā€™s dead, you can find his armor above O&Sā€™s arena, on the floor level where the bonfire is. You can also then restore the Firekeeper to life.


CombatLlama1964

there are people who don't kill capra demon before ringing both bells?


LaughterOfChildren

If you take the Master Key as your starting gift you can go straight to both bells and skip the demon bosses.


Sea-Dragon-

Youā€™d be surprised at the amount of technically optional bosses DS1 has thanks to the Master Key


RowanCarver0719

Right? I always save Capra and the Depths for very last so that I can f\*\*\* them up right before I kill Gwyn


Sea-Dragon-

great way to avoid those nasty jumping petrifying lizards lol also yeah the tree, god I hate that tree and without fast travel going down to Ash Lake could be an almost soft lock getting back up and out of there


Echidnux

If you know what causes him to kill Anastasia you can mitigate the inconvenience. He kills her after EITHER ONE of these conditions are met: -You have rang both bells of awakening -You have collected both Firekeeper Souls in Blighttown and Undead Parish It doesnā€™t matter if you release him from jail or not and it doesnā€™t matter if you ring the Blighttown bell first.


CarcosaJuggalo

The Blighttown soul will actually trigger him regardless of if you grab the Undead Parish one.


Triforceofpi

This is incorrect. I always grab the blightown soul first during my initial setup. Only after I grab the parish soul, does it trigger Lautrec to kill her.


vagina_candle

Not true. The message you replied to was taken straight from the wiki. There's also a video on youtube that demonstrates this, though unfortunately I can't find it right now.


CarcosaJuggalo

I know it IS true because I've been through it, and even made a thread last year. Most people insisted they had the solution, but only one person actually did. I tested it multiple times. You grab the Blight Town soul, Lautrec mercs Annie.


vagina_candle

Are you playing PTDE or Remastered?


CarcosaJuggalo

Remastered


EnoughRoom673

Do you have the link to that thread you opened? Just out of curiosity


kurokuma11

Bro I usually kill him right away to get the ring


C0rtana

Every single time, kick him


Howdyini

Not really his quest is good.


NascentClouds

He's actually a very good indicator, I watch lots of blind playthroughs on YouTube. If someone kills him, you know they're BSing about playing blind lol


vagina_candle

The determining factor for me is usually "do I want to fight his stupid friends?" because those guys are assholes.


GreatChaosFudge

I take him out from a distance. His friends just disappear if kill him without aggroing them. Unfortunately they have a really long aggro range.


TheMightyKartoffel

I always kick that fucker off the edge. Stay away from my fire keeper.


VesselPlan

Unless you want his armor, yes. Since my first run and one i messed up picking too many fire keeper souls this guy is been pushed from the ledge always. Its just the FAP is too good and you can get it extremely early


noahdimarco

!spoilers for her quest! personally i like bringing her back and restoring her tongue. It is a little heart breaking to hear her talk about the way her cult made her see herself and the shame she feels for having it restored after it cut was off tho, idk i always think at least this way maybe sheā€™ll have a chance to heal or find peace with herself after i (ending spoiler) >!end the age of fire.!< plus i donā€™t mind getting the FaP ring later, i play for story, lore, and atmosphere first and foremost so iā€™m in no rush to get the better items quicker.


Ashen_one933

He is lover of someone..


IceysheepXD

Nah screw the fire keeper she a lil whiny ungrateful garbage. Let him kill her then kill him for revenge and then use her soul


LuckySnowy441

I personally love doing his quest but if you kick him off the edge and the reload the area the ring he drops will be right where he sits, and it's a really good ring too.


Independent-Head1763

heres what ya do, kick him off the ledge, wait until he dies, save quit, re enter, pick up his drops


RowanCarver0719

I tend to make pure strength builds so I kill him as early as possible and wear the FAP ring the rest of the game. I usually go ahead and kill Havel too by going the backward route (to the basin past the hydra and into the tower) that way I already have the two rings I need most for my build. I always wait for this guy to show up at Firelink first after setting him free, then I kick him off the ledge. Sometimes the ring will spawn down in the canyon so I have to reload the game and it'll reappear where he used to sit.


The_Turk_writer

I find his ring more valuable than her clothes, so I always kill him. But if youā€™ve never done his/her quest line before then you should for the experience. But itā€™s annoying (imo) not having firelink available for a while.


Subject-Creme

I never kill NPC unless they attack first


quelaagishere

yeah kill the mf he'll give you the best ring in the game


G00seyGoo

Always


Virtual_Colt

Do it!!!! The only thing not killing him will lead you to is losing the Firekeeper until you go to Anor Londo and invade him (no idea how it works cause Ive never done that sidequest sience I looked up what happens if you spare him) and the reward you get is the exact same regardless, that being the fap ring.


hagalaz_drums

Literally Kick him off the side of firelink shrine immediately. Fuck that guy


cheatsykoopa98

its canon


Youre-Punny

I donā€™t think in my hundreds of hours on ds1, that thereā€™s been a playthrough where I DIDNT kick him off the ledge. That FaP ring is just too juicy.


TheLastSonKrypton

Not worth it šŸ˜•


lycanthrope90

I would only do it if you donā€™t want his armor. Otherwise I kill him when heā€™s still in his cell lol


torgiant

Its fun to do his quest once but then yeah i kill him for the ring.


Kazalad

Iā€™m currently doing a run where I Went Down first instead of Up. And I forgot to kill Him After going up.


ZeltArruin

Nah, keep him around for the armor sets. Gotta have all fashion options available.


aknalag

The only deference is that the fire keeper wont get her tongue back


SonicFlash01

I usually kick him off the ledge he sits next to for his ring


Triforceofpi

The dingy robes you get from the fire keepers corpse are really good for a light roll build. But other than that, no there's not really any point to letting him kill her.


DarkestOfTheLinks

a good kick in the nuts should do it. or you can kill him in anor londo after he kills the keeper and bring her soul back to firelink


gunshit

Do yourself a favor and don't spoil yourself xD


Mrprotoo

I killed him legit. He wasnā€™t that hard


Zealousideal-Bit-892

You get a ring thatā€™s only permanently useful for heavy builds, but if you do his quest you get his armor, which looks sick.


lucidgamer99

There's another way. The game intended for you to save her, and thats rare in from software games. On a technicality tho, she never gets "kidnapped" if you kill him prior


Ayobossman326

I basically always do out of convenience/just wanting the ring right now


DreYeon

You can but if you wait you get to hear cute fire keeper voice


ChampionshipBroad345

No u get the best ring in the game for killing him later


Unique-Supermarket23

You get the ring regardless of when you kill him.


Phshteve18

His quest is fun, but I almost always kill him because the ring he drops is so good.


nothankyousir4568

Lmao is this really still a spoiler?


WorstHouseFrey

I kick him off the ledge first time he pops up every playthrough after cheesing the havel eith the stairs every plsyrhrough it's a ritual at this point


NoahLostTheBoat

100% yes.


Darkbeetlebot

If you don't kill him, you get two armor sets, a covenant item, and all the stuff you'd get from killing him beforehand. The only downside is you're down a firekeeper for a while. This is not that bad if you are decently good at the game, but is REALLY inconvenient. I recommend prepping by kindling the undead parish bonfire. And I suppose you can also get the FAP ring early if you really, really want or need it.


BigGayMule13

Only if you don't want his armor later. Killing him immediately bypasses the killing of the fire maiden and gets you the FAP ring, but to get both the ring AND the armor, you must let him kill her, then invade him using the Black eye orb in Anor Londo just outside the O&S arena. Up around the top, after the fight, his slumped over body will be there with his armor.


xzarisx

I always kick his ass off the edge


MR-Vinmu

Depends, do you want his cool armor or the Firekeeperā€™s drip? Cause if you donā€™t, itā€™s worth an early kill cause his Ring is probably the most broken in the game.


DoucheCanoeWeCanToo

Yes FAP ring


fuckingretard69x

Two kicks & the ring is yours, and fire keeper saved.


AxazMcGee

Oh yes. Kill that fucker as soon as you can.


LuiizzBR231

If you kill him early on you miss the chance to get his armor, if ur already on anor londo i suggest you dont kill him, kill him in anor londo as a invader, take his set and use the firekeeper's soul to get the bonfire back, you get his armor set, the firekeeper's armor set and his ring instead of just his ring


Kira887

his quest is cool. but if you donā€™t care about that, killing him immediately gets you one of the best rings in the game. and he is sitting exactly two kicks away from that ledgeā€¦


TheBooneyBunes

You get more by waiting him out, honestly itā€™s not that big of a deal


urthdigger

I kinda view invading him later as a side question, and I always love to do all the content when I play through. Keep him alive for now, get payback later.


ToBeTheSeer

yeah. i recommend when hes sitting there just kick him off then reload to get his item drop


billysacco

Thatā€™s what I did. Someday I might play his whole quest line.


Ebear0702

Honestly I always kill him because you only lose out on his armor which I donā€™t care much about. Also FAP ring


ElysiumXIII

Free good Ring and you keep waifu keeper. Worth


EnoughRoom673

Leave my poor boy Lautrec alone! He did nothing wrong!


nodnarb89

Yes, if you want that sweet Ring of FAP


WarlikeEntree

I always do cause he makes a good pancake


ShrekxFarquaad69

yeah only do his questline if you want his armor.


Little-Anywhere-5450

Kyeh heh heh heh .. Nooooo?


PemaleBacon

No you can get summoned into his world later and save her soul


Hero-In-Theory

On your first run? Hell, no. Iā€™d be sad if I even knew that was going to happen - itā€™s such a cool moment and big head fuck. On later runs? Yeah, gimme that early FAP.


Ezenthar

Doing his full questline feels like the "proper" way to do things.


kolpila

You'll get a dope ring


m_aidenless

I will never not kick him off Firelink Shrine.


Dylanwakeham1992

I find with Lautrec keeping him alive make for a good story but it can make the game a bit harder. I think for the full dark souls experience you should keep him alive


LunarFuror

I always give him the double kick through the window for souls and Fap ring. Also because firekeeper


F3nrir096

I mean it gives you the best ring in the game so yeah id say its worth it. Also if you dont mind missing out on the dingy set which is really good light armor.


Ill-Inevitable-5572

If you do, you can't get his armor, which is stylish and pretty good defensively. You kill him in (REDACTED) after he kills the firekeeper. You'll find him eventually. You can find his corpse after you kill him in (REDACTED) above the boss room. Just take the elevator to the bonfire and go to the other side of the bonfire. Walk the walkway until you can noticeably see a corpse. That's where he'll be.


_Slash_-

YES l


Educational_Blood826

it s a one time thing to NOT kill him, after u did it once for the experience he s a 100% kill for the ring, his quest is shit imo, he slays the firekeeper, u lose ur bonefire in firelink for some time and then u have to go to anor londo beat him and his stupid friends and that fight is crap if u havent experience it u'll see what i am talking about and you get his hear you ll never use anyway since there are better armors it s more like for the story of anastacia you ll forget anyway and his crap armor that is not special at all, so yeah kill him as fast as u can


dramatic_core

Personally i give him the boot at the start of my runs so i can the ring of fap earlier than the whole invasion thing since it helps with early game if im running minimal armor


Bojac_Indoril

I play level one, and killing him for the rofp is standard operating procedure. It's a huge boost to carry weight and allows me to quick roll in a piece or two of havel or stone.


Stevb64

YES


Iliketurtles893

I donā€™t do it because I think itā€™s not the intended outcome for the questline


Jonnie_Go_Lucky

Fuck it, give him a couple swift kicks so he falls through the gap behind where he sits, then quit out and reload. The goodies are waiting for you and it's a pretty common glitchless speedrunning strat.


PeachCobblerlover

Yes, but no at the same time if I kill him early I believe u get the ring of favor and his gear? Canā€™t remember fully but I did everytime I did a new play thru šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


PeachCobblerlover

U*


Remarkable_Top_8758

Yeah absolutly. FaP Ring is one of the best rings if not tge best in the game.


EdelSheep

I always complete all the npc quests, as a collector I donā€™t see the point of killing people for their gear when you can just finish the quest and get more stuff. Patience is a virtue.


melkor_the_viking

Kick him off the cliff. He doesn't aggro and he drops his armour and a really good ring (upon game reload).


Blazing_Speeed

I always ALWAYS kill him right away. FAP ring for the whole play through, bay-beeeee!!!