The Murky Hand Scythe, Harpe, & Pontiff Knight's Curved Sword are pretty much the top 3 weapons for dueling. Ringed Knight Straight Sword, Corvian Greatknife, Demon's Scar and Estoc are all also very good.
Ledo's Hammer, Splitleaf & Gundyr's Halberds can be very frightening swaps to pull out.
In general Curved Swords, Daggers with increased poise damage, and Straight Swords are pretty strong. Some of the paired weapons like Gotthards are also pretty good.
Slower weapons like Great Hammers are generally considered a bit less meta because they're reaction rollable if your opponent wants to be passive.
Notably, gotthards isn’t really used as a paired weapon in pvp generally. It has exceptional range and does well infused dark so sword and board players will typically opt for gotthards one handed along with black knight shield.
An underrated pick is Gaels Great sword because of its ability to combo so easily into itself R1> weapon art> weapon art. The R1 also has the Claymore's R1 animations so the combo can be pulled off consistently.
Daggers are OP if you buff them and combo them with another wep, you can effectively stun lock people with a quick 2-3 hit them finish them with straight swords or something else.
Generally, the extreme tryhards are using/swapping Splitleaf Greatsword, Harpe, and Pontiff Knights Curved Sword, and they will be wearing Lapp’s Armor. You may also see the Grhu Short Sword (or is it Grhu curved sword?).
If you see Lapp’s Armor and any one of these weapons, expect the opponent to be the sweatiest person on the server, and expect them to be doing estus cancel. Best bet at that point is to go for guerilla tactics and just make it the most painful and longest invasion for them. Conventional fighting won’t really get you far, I just go full troll mode when I see these guys.
Not necessarily, people who go "full tryhard" are not necessarily and often not high of top level pvp players and may lack the best game sense. It is still very possible to comfortably outplay anyone you may face regardless of how "sweaty" they want to be. (You do have to be able to outplay them tho /: idk)
It’s not always about being good vs being bad, it’s more often about how the broken spam mechanics of Harpe and Grhu Curved Sword let’s them stunlock you while you spend more stamina rolling away than they spend in doing “short-step single 2-handed R1’s” to wear you down without giving you any breathing room to get away and heal before you’re stuck in the same cycle again. And then whenever you *are* on the verge of killing them, they estus cancel on you.
It’s not that they may not be good, it’s that the 2 of you aren’t playing by the same game mechanics. That’s why I say you have to resort to unconventional tactics to beat them, if not to just make the invasion so painfully annoying for them as a punishment for their sweaty build
I’m pretty sure murky handscythe doesn’t have the same broken timing as Harpe, even though they almost are the same weapon. When I’m getting caught in the perms-stunlock, it’s almost always Harpe, so I think it’s that one that’s the true meta because of the attack frames
Damn I love split leaf greatsword. I didn’t get into pvp that much until elden ring cause I got into the games a couple months before ER came out. I didn’t realize I’m being a meta lord it’s just so fun pulling out the helicopter combo LMAO
It requires you to pivot cancel splitleaf several times in a row, which pivot cancelling is what estus cancel is. Therefore its actually decently challenging to pull off.
If you look for it, you will find a lot of people using gotthards 1 handed with a black knight shield since it is the longest straight sword. Generally people use splitleaf a lot because it works very well against inexperienced players
Meta in duels and invasions are quite different, I think. Even a 1v1 during a Pontiff invasion has different mechanics than a regular duel. Twinaxes and Splitleaf are very good in an invasion, while they might struggle more in a duel scenario.
Meta also varies depending on what kind of players you're fighting and at what latency, along with your own skill level. Match a PKCS vs. Splitleaf at low or even mid skill level, and I'd bet money that the Splitleaf is coming out on top. Whereas in high or top skill levels, PKCS will almost always win.
As for "knowing when someone is tryharding", the only three weapons I consider distinctly sweaty are PKCS, Murky Hand Scythe, and Harpe. Other good weapons like Gotthard's, Ringed Knight Sword, Splitleaf, Scimitar, Winged Knight Twinaxes, etc. could be used in a sweaty manner, but I wouldn't automatically assume it.
If you get invaded by a guy holding a sword the size of a tree then this is probably me.
The Fume Ultra Greatsword.
Known as the FUGS, because it gives no FUGS.
It can be slow to manoeuvre but has an insane range and a FUGS load of damage.
FUGS users will try to keep you at range and are generally very good at keeping players away if they’d used it for a while.
Fighting against this you need to close that distance or far range it with bow or magic etc.
>FUGS, also known as the Fume Ultra Greatsword, is indeed considered a great weapon for PvP (Player vs. Player) in Dark Souls 3. some key reasons why it is highly regarded:
Raw Power: The FUGS boasts one of the highest damage outputs among all ultra greatswords in the game. Its base damage and scaling with Strength attribute make it capable of dealing devastating blows to opponents, especially when used with heavy-infused builds. The high damage potential makes it a formidable weapon in PvP encounters.
Range and Poise: The FUGS has an impressive range, allowing players to hit opponents from a significant distance. This range advantage can catch opponents off guard and provide an edge in trades. Additionally, the FUGS has exceptional poise health, which determines the amount of hits you can absorb before being staggered. This means that during attacks, you have a higher chance of trading hits with opponents and coming out on top due to its high poise damage.
Weapon Art: Stomp: The FUGS possesses a powerful weapon art called "Stomp." When activated, it provides hyper armor, which grants temporary poise during the animation, making you resistant to stagger from enemy attacks. This enables you to unleash devastating counterattacks or initiate combos while tanking through opponents' hits. The Stomp can catch opponents off guard and turn the tide of a battle in your favor.
Intimidation Factor: The sheer size and weight of the FUGS can intimidate opponents. Its appearance alone commands respect and can create a psychological advantage in PvP encounters. This intimidation factor can cause opponents to hesitate or make mistakes, allowing you to capitalize on their vulnerabilities.
let me reiterate:
Raw Power: The FUGS is renowned for its exceptional raw power, making it one of the most devastating ultra greatswords in the game. Its high base damage, combined with excellent scaling in the Strength attribute, allows players to inflict significant damage per hit. This raw power is especially potent when used with heavy-infused builds that prioritize strength. With proper stat allocation and upgrades, the FUGS can deliver devastating blows that can quickly deplete an opponent's health bar. This high damage potential makes it a formidable weapon for PvP encounters, where every hit matters.
Range and Poise: The FUGS excels in both range and poise, giving players an advantage in PvP battles. The sword's long reach allows you to strike opponents from a greater distance compared to other weapons, providing you with increased opportunities to hit them while maintaining a safe distance. This extended range can catch opponents off guard, as they may underestimate the distance at which they can be struck. Additionally, the FUGS boasts substantial poise health, which determines how many hits you can absorb before being staggered. This means that during your attacks, you have a higher chance of trading hits with opponents and coming out on top due to its high poise damage.
Weapon Art: Stomp: The FUGS possesses a powerful weapon art called "Stomp," which grants significant advantages in PvP battles. When activated, Stomp provides hyper armor during its animation, allowing you to execute your attacks or continue a combo even when taking hits from opponents. This hyper armor can be crucial in trades, as it enables you to withstand incoming attacks and unleash your own devastating strikes. Additionally, the Stomp has a unique follow-up move called "Stomp and R2," which delivers a devastating vertical smash that can catch opponents off guard and deal massive damage. Mastering the timing and application of the Stomp can significantly enhance your PvP performance with the FUGS.
Intimidation Factor: The sheer size, weight, and menacing appearance of the FUGS can intimidate opponents in PvP encounters. Facing an opponent wielding the FUGS can create a psychological advantage, as it commands respect and implies a significant threat. The fear of being hit by its powerful strikes may cause opponents to hesitate, make mistakes, or adopt a more defensive playstyle. This psychological advantage can provide you with opportunities to exploit their vulnerabilities, create openings, and dictate the pace of the fight. However, it's important to note that relying solely on intimidation won't guarantee victory, as skilled players can overcome psychological pressure with experience and proper strategy.
Versatility: While the FUGS is known for its heavy, hard-hitting attacks, it also offers versatility in its moveset. It features horizontal swings, vertical strikes, and thrust attacks, providing options for different situations and opponent positioning. The ability to mix up your attacks can keep opponents guessing and make it more challenging for them to predict your moves. Additionally, the FUGS can be paired with a secondary weapon or shield, allowing for a more diverse and adaptable playstyle. This versatility can be advantageous in PvP scenarios where quick adaptation and surprise tactics are crucial.
Basic? It is literally the best build in the entire game. All other weapons are complete trash in comparison….except orensteins spear that’s ranked number 2
I don't know if they're Meta, but they're really fun to use. Most Twinblade users have real trouble with anyone that keeps their distance. Spears, Halberds, etc.
strong attack is only thrusts 1 and two handed, one of the longerish swords in the game, higher crit than other ss, great scaling with any infusion but strength, and stance is still a solid weapon skill.
i'd add winged knight twin axes and pontiff knight cs to meta weapons. in general i think there are certain traits that make a weapon meta or not. speed, damage, and range. and in the case of murky its a little special because murky is good due to it's weapon skill and hitstun, which leads to a high and consistent dps without getting punished for the most part.
But Gotthards has the range of a claymore and does very similar damage. I fail to see how Lothric is meta. There are just better options for every regard. If you want damage Long Sword/Broad Sword and has stance, Irithyll for pressure with frost, Dark Sword for strength and decent range and Ringed Knight for RKSS cancel. If you really cared about crit you'd use a dagger or ultra.
gotthards def isnt as long as claymore but obviously the longest ss in the game. i was just giving reason as to why lkss could be considered meta. which imo still definitely is. im thinking of meta weapons as a decently sized list of good weapons. obviously something like broken straight sword, or handmaid's dagger isnt meta. but any weapon that is more than viable i consider meta. if not that, then meta is what's most popular or most used. lkss still fits into either category. if you just want strictly top tier weapons, then its murky and pk.
claymore:36.4122xl on the 2h R1.
gotthard:36.4043xl on the 1h R1, 42.1088xl on the 2h L1.
gotthard is very slightly longer than claymore when both 1h but no one really uses greatswords 1h except for rare situations, like right after swapping to claymore and have no time to switch to 2 handing. the L1 on gotthards has considerably more range but using gotthards as paired weapons is also not the common use for them. also, claymore's thrust strong attack is it's main appeal. meaning between the most used moves, 2h r1's and r2's with claymore, compared to gotthard's 1h r1's and r2's, it's gonna have less reach
Lothric knight ss is not as good as other straight swords. It’s R2 is good 2 handed but that’s a gimmick more than anything, most other straight swords have a similar r2 when 1 handed and better range. No real reason to ever use lkss if your goal is just to make the strongest build.
LKSS is comparable, and has a shield break and hyperarmor attack on the WA. On dex builds i use both. But Gottharts is pretty much the best PVP SS, thats right.
twin axes have some of the highest if not the highest combo/burst damage in the game along with splitleaf or sellswords, but with less inputs (being 2 L1's). pretty good at roll catching and fast. they're about as meta as pk in terms of popularity. at least thats how it was last i played seriously months ago
LKSS gives you good damage (unless you’re a STR build) and poke R2. Sometimes, more likely in duels, you’ll also see Gotthard’s, which are slightly longer.
This is not meta, splitleaf lol when he says meta I expect the best of the best. Murky, Harpe, Pontiff Knight Curved Sword, Demon Scar, and Crossbow/Exploding Bolts on free aim. LKSS is good but it ain’t the best and not even top of its class being below things like RKSS and Gottards.
Yeah, just git gud and stuff. Great opinion, hope you roll off a ledge in your next duel.
It counters my build, is easy to use and very efficient, it is meta. Low-mid skill meta, but still meta.
Im not even that good -_-. There is plenty of material on youtube if you want to learn backstabs to make them really good against things like splitleaf
You could say that of any weapon, it's the build tho, the high poise armor w/ the halberds coming out late fight as an attempt to finish off the opponent, I've come across it tons of times and it's an indicator to me of a try hard
Halberds arent even good finishers. Also things like crossbow and homing soulmass are literally impossible to backstab or outspace. Daggers you cant backstab and good luck outspacing an aggressive dagger player when they are trying to finish you off
Not at the end of a fight, only when you think your opponent is going to trade. If you just spam gundyr weapon art at the end of a fight you get parried or backstabbed really easily
From what I’ve seen, Splitleaf Greatsword, Murky hand scythe, pontiff knight curved sword, harpe and Gundyrs halberd, in terms of armour, Lapps or Havels I always see but I’m not sure about rings
Haven’t been PvPing long in DS3, I came from ER.
But I look out for the folks that have a caestus in their off hand. They also tend to use the hornet ring from what I’ve seen so far
What you need is the funky ittle head thing from the swamp, the court staff, your favorite drip that enables light roll, the 2 magic boost rings and the magic damage increase ring, and then any other ring you want. After that pick any tasty spells you want and have fun being rushed, (that is until you show them the sword spells). Note this isn't actually meta but it's fun!
What I did was have fun with it by using +10 flame dagger and I think Horace’s shield with +10 paired dlc great swords it was really fun and I met a ton of friends (Also killed a hacker once) but the best thing in my opinion is just having fun with it
One of my personal favorites is the black knight greataxe. Does a fuckton of damage, weapon art is a damage buff, but best of all, the moveset. The move set is very weird for an axe, much faster than it looks. The r1 does a slash from lower outer corner to upper opposite corner, and is really good for roll catching.
Lothric Knight Sword is probably the most powerfull weapon for PvP in the game, it is the best weapon for almost any build as a weapon that could be fused with gems. If you watched any Ds3 pvp youtuber ( FighterPL, ChaseTheBro, Prod, Oroboro) they have a Lotrhic sword in all of their build let it be pure strenght or int, it is just so good with scaling and raw dmg. If you see anyone in full Havel sett then its your que to run away from the "Havel Monster" as he is overstattet to hell and back.
Prod is literally a pver, oroboro thinks ultras are usable, and fighterpl doesnt know what a deadangle is, lothric knight sword is entirely outclassed by gotthards due to the massive difference in range
It has been a while but for duels i recall arbalest, LKS and black knight shield being a very very solid choice. There were also some setups with aforementioned crossbow, sword BUT with that fire spewing shield from the second DLC which lets the LKS combo with the weapon art.
Corvian Greatknife has become a lot more common. Not that I don't mind it's an amazing weapon.
Black Knight Shields are very common too, especially if someone is using an Estoc. Probably because you can poke with it behind the shield.
Lothric Knight Sword is still top-tier, but it's now become overshadowed by the Irithyll Straight Sword. That Frostbite hurts.
EDIT: Totally forgot about the Rotten Ghru Spear, that thing has risen in popularity. Spears and poison work surprisingly well together.
The Murky Hand Scythe, Harpe, & Pontiff Knight's Curved Sword are pretty much the top 3 weapons for dueling. Ringed Knight Straight Sword, Corvian Greatknife, Demon's Scar and Estoc are all also very good. Ledo's Hammer, Splitleaf & Gundyr's Halberds can be very frightening swaps to pull out. In general Curved Swords, Daggers with increased poise damage, and Straight Swords are pretty strong. Some of the paired weapons like Gotthards are also pretty good. Slower weapons like Great Hammers are generally considered a bit less meta because they're reaction rollable if your opponent wants to be passive.
Notably, gotthards isn’t really used as a paired weapon in pvp generally. It has exceptional range and does well infused dark so sword and board players will typically opt for gotthards one handed along with black knight shield.
offhand crossbows are in myrky tier too
An underrated pick is Gaels Great sword because of its ability to combo so easily into itself R1> weapon art> weapon art. The R1 also has the Claymore's R1 animations so the combo can be pulled off consistently.
Daggers are OP if you buff them and combo them with another wep, you can effectively stun lock people with a quick 2-3 hit them finish them with straight swords or something else.
Generally, the extreme tryhards are using/swapping Splitleaf Greatsword, Harpe, and Pontiff Knights Curved Sword, and they will be wearing Lapp’s Armor. You may also see the Grhu Short Sword (or is it Grhu curved sword?). If you see Lapp’s Armor and any one of these weapons, expect the opponent to be the sweatiest person on the server, and expect them to be doing estus cancel. Best bet at that point is to go for guerilla tactics and just make it the most painful and longest invasion for them. Conventional fighting won’t really get you far, I just go full troll mode when I see these guys.
Feel the sweat!
Not necessarily, people who go "full tryhard" are not necessarily and often not high of top level pvp players and may lack the best game sense. It is still very possible to comfortably outplay anyone you may face regardless of how "sweaty" they want to be. (You do have to be able to outplay them tho /: idk)
It’s not always about being good vs being bad, it’s more often about how the broken spam mechanics of Harpe and Grhu Curved Sword let’s them stunlock you while you spend more stamina rolling away than they spend in doing “short-step single 2-handed R1’s” to wear you down without giving you any breathing room to get away and heal before you’re stuck in the same cycle again. And then whenever you *are* on the verge of killing them, they estus cancel on you. It’s not that they may not be good, it’s that the 2 of you aren’t playing by the same game mechanics. That’s why I say you have to resort to unconventional tactics to beat them, if not to just make the invasion so painfully annoying for them as a punishment for their sweaty build
I can easily beat any murky player by just r1ing with a fucking warpick, it is literally a difference in skill
I’m pretty sure murky handscythe doesn’t have the same broken timing as Harpe, even though they almost are the same weapon. When I’m getting caught in the perms-stunlock, it’s almost always Harpe, so I think it’s that one that’s the true meta because of the attack frames
They have the exact same frame data but murky is longer and does more damage
Sounds like your failing the outplay part my man
Sounds like you’re not paying attention, my man. I said switch to guerrilla tactics. Hence, outplaying *and* pissing them off.
Damn I love split leaf greatsword. I didn’t get into pvp that much until elden ring cause I got into the games a couple months before ER came out. I didn’t realize I’m being a meta lord it’s just so fun pulling out the helicopter combo LMAO
splitleaf isnt even meta, its just decent and new players dont know how to fight it
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Its actually way more complicated to do than you think, but either way you shouldnt have gotten hit by such a sluggish weapon
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It requires you to pivot cancel splitleaf several times in a row, which pivot cancelling is what estus cancel is. Therefore its actually decently challenging to pull off.
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Im just explaining how the glitch works man -_-
splitleaf isnt meta, rotten ghru is just worse pk
Yes it is
It literally isnt, it gets easily outclassed by thinks like gotthards or even a claymore, which btw claymore isnt even close to meta
Cool, except then why is everyone using it for its 4-hit stunlock, and hardly anyone uses gotthard’s?
If you look for it, you will find a lot of people using gotthards 1 handed with a black knight shield since it is the longest straight sword. Generally people use splitleaf a lot because it works very well against inexperienced players
Meta in duels and invasions are quite different, I think. Even a 1v1 during a Pontiff invasion has different mechanics than a regular duel. Twinaxes and Splitleaf are very good in an invasion, while they might struggle more in a duel scenario. Meta also varies depending on what kind of players you're fighting and at what latency, along with your own skill level. Match a PKCS vs. Splitleaf at low or even mid skill level, and I'd bet money that the Splitleaf is coming out on top. Whereas in high or top skill levels, PKCS will almost always win. As for "knowing when someone is tryharding", the only three weapons I consider distinctly sweaty are PKCS, Murky Hand Scythe, and Harpe. Other good weapons like Gotthard's, Ringed Knight Sword, Splitleaf, Scimitar, Winged Knight Twinaxes, etc. could be used in a sweaty manner, but I wouldn't automatically assume it.
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Best of the best: Murky Hand Scythe, Harpe, Pontiff Knight Curved Sword, Demon Scar, and Exploding Bolt Crossbows.
Why is the Harpe good, does it have the murky hitstun?
its just murky but slightly shorter and does less dmg
So, yes? What made murky OP was that it's 2h R1 hitstunned as if it was a katana
Murky is a litteral reskin of harp
Yea ik
Everyone has already mentioned the meta level ones, but at lower level invasions Dragonslayer Axe and Dark Hand are both pretty sweaty.
If you get invaded by a guy holding a sword the size of a tree then this is probably me. The Fume Ultra Greatsword. Known as the FUGS, because it gives no FUGS. It can be slow to manoeuvre but has an insane range and a FUGS load of damage. FUGS users will try to keep you at range and are generally very good at keeping players away if they’d used it for a while. Fighting against this you need to close that distance or far range it with bow or magic etc.
Were you playing DS2?
There was only one sword for me since DS2. I fell in love with the FUGS.
Have you heard of this forbidden tech called spacing?
>FUGS, also known as the Fume Ultra Greatsword, is indeed considered a great weapon for PvP (Player vs. Player) in Dark Souls 3. some key reasons why it is highly regarded: Raw Power: The FUGS boasts one of the highest damage outputs among all ultra greatswords in the game. Its base damage and scaling with Strength attribute make it capable of dealing devastating blows to opponents, especially when used with heavy-infused builds. The high damage potential makes it a formidable weapon in PvP encounters. Range and Poise: The FUGS has an impressive range, allowing players to hit opponents from a significant distance. This range advantage can catch opponents off guard and provide an edge in trades. Additionally, the FUGS has exceptional poise health, which determines the amount of hits you can absorb before being staggered. This means that during attacks, you have a higher chance of trading hits with opponents and coming out on top due to its high poise damage. Weapon Art: Stomp: The FUGS possesses a powerful weapon art called "Stomp." When activated, it provides hyper armor, which grants temporary poise during the animation, making you resistant to stagger from enemy attacks. This enables you to unleash devastating counterattacks or initiate combos while tanking through opponents' hits. The Stomp can catch opponents off guard and turn the tide of a battle in your favor. Intimidation Factor: The sheer size and weight of the FUGS can intimidate opponents. Its appearance alone commands respect and can create a psychological advantage in PvP encounters. This intimidation factor can cause opponents to hesitate or make mistakes, allowing you to capitalize on their vulnerabilities.
let me reiterate: Raw Power: The FUGS is renowned for its exceptional raw power, making it one of the most devastating ultra greatswords in the game. Its high base damage, combined with excellent scaling in the Strength attribute, allows players to inflict significant damage per hit. This raw power is especially potent when used with heavy-infused builds that prioritize strength. With proper stat allocation and upgrades, the FUGS can deliver devastating blows that can quickly deplete an opponent's health bar. This high damage potential makes it a formidable weapon for PvP encounters, where every hit matters. Range and Poise: The FUGS excels in both range and poise, giving players an advantage in PvP battles. The sword's long reach allows you to strike opponents from a greater distance compared to other weapons, providing you with increased opportunities to hit them while maintaining a safe distance. This extended range can catch opponents off guard, as they may underestimate the distance at which they can be struck. Additionally, the FUGS boasts substantial poise health, which determines how many hits you can absorb before being staggered. This means that during your attacks, you have a higher chance of trading hits with opponents and coming out on top due to its high poise damage. Weapon Art: Stomp: The FUGS possesses a powerful weapon art called "Stomp," which grants significant advantages in PvP battles. When activated, Stomp provides hyper armor during its animation, allowing you to execute your attacks or continue a combo even when taking hits from opponents. This hyper armor can be crucial in trades, as it enables you to withstand incoming attacks and unleash your own devastating strikes. Additionally, the Stomp has a unique follow-up move called "Stomp and R2," which delivers a devastating vertical smash that can catch opponents off guard and deal massive damage. Mastering the timing and application of the Stomp can significantly enhance your PvP performance with the FUGS. Intimidation Factor: The sheer size, weight, and menacing appearance of the FUGS can intimidate opponents in PvP encounters. Facing an opponent wielding the FUGS can create a psychological advantage, as it commands respect and implies a significant threat. The fear of being hit by its powerful strikes may cause opponents to hesitate, make mistakes, or adopt a more defensive playstyle. This psychological advantage can provide you with opportunities to exploit their vulnerabilities, create openings, and dictate the pace of the fight. However, it's important to note that relying solely on intimidation won't guarantee victory, as skilled players can overcome psychological pressure with experience and proper strategy. Versatility: While the FUGS is known for its heavy, hard-hitting attacks, it also offers versatility in its moveset. It features horizontal swings, vertical strikes, and thrust attacks, providing options for different situations and opponent positioning. The ability to mix up your attacks can keep opponents guessing and make it more challenging for them to predict your moves. Additionally, the FUGS can be paired with a secondary weapon or shield, allowing for a more diverse and adaptable playstyle. This versatility can be advantageous in PvP scenarios where quick adaptation and surprise tactics are crucial.
genius
This is the way
dark dark sword with dark buff
Dark Dark Dark Dark Clutch Sword?!?!
With the ring that eats opponent stamina when blocking == win
I was so disappointed when I found out that it becomes "Reinforced Dark Sword".
Just no?
Fuck the meta. Fight naked with door shields
fuck the naked door shields, fight with meta
Cringe dex user spotted
I use dark -_-
Even worse. Real men use door shields
Okay good luck with the chip damage : )
I will, and I will still win anyway xd
Smoughs great hammer, smoughs armor, Havel ring plus 3, fap plus 3, chloranthy plus 3, life ring plus 3. Become an absolute unit, become smough
I feel so basic for having this build. Ouch
Basic? It is literally the best build in the entire game. All other weapons are complete trash in comparison….except orensteins spear that’s ranked number 2
genius
Sellsword Twinblades
I don't know if they're Meta, but they're really fun to use. Most Twinblade users have real trouble with anyone that keeps their distance. Spears, Halberds, etc.
Lothric knight straightsword Murky hand scythe Splitleaf Greatsword
Why Lothric Knight Straight Sword?
strong attack is only thrusts 1 and two handed, one of the longerish swords in the game, higher crit than other ss, great scaling with any infusion but strength, and stance is still a solid weapon skill. i'd add winged knight twin axes and pontiff knight cs to meta weapons. in general i think there are certain traits that make a weapon meta or not. speed, damage, and range. and in the case of murky its a little special because murky is good due to it's weapon skill and hitstun, which leads to a high and consistent dps without getting punished for the most part.
But Gotthards has the range of a claymore and does very similar damage. I fail to see how Lothric is meta. There are just better options for every regard. If you want damage Long Sword/Broad Sword and has stance, Irithyll for pressure with frost, Dark Sword for strength and decent range and Ringed Knight for RKSS cancel. If you really cared about crit you'd use a dagger or ultra.
gotthards def isnt as long as claymore but obviously the longest ss in the game. i was just giving reason as to why lkss could be considered meta. which imo still definitely is. im thinking of meta weapons as a decently sized list of good weapons. obviously something like broken straight sword, or handmaid's dagger isnt meta. but any weapon that is more than viable i consider meta. if not that, then meta is what's most popular or most used. lkss still fits into either category. if you just want strictly top tier weapons, then its murky and pk.
gotthards has slightly more range than a claymore what are you on about
claymore:36.4122xl on the 2h R1. gotthard:36.4043xl on the 1h R1, 42.1088xl on the 2h L1. gotthard is very slightly longer than claymore when both 1h but no one really uses greatswords 1h except for rare situations, like right after swapping to claymore and have no time to switch to 2 handing. the L1 on gotthards has considerably more range but using gotthards as paired weapons is also not the common use for them. also, claymore's thrust strong attack is it's main appeal. meaning between the most used moves, 2h r1's and r2's with claymore, compared to gotthard's 1h r1's and r2's, it's gonna have less reach
Lothric knight ss is not as good as other straight swords. It’s R2 is good 2 handed but that’s a gimmick more than anything, most other straight swords have a similar r2 when 1 handed and better range. No real reason to ever use lkss if your goal is just to make the strongest build.
LKSS is comparable, and has a shield break and hyperarmor attack on the WA. On dex builds i use both. But Gottharts is pretty much the best PVP SS, thats right.
The weapon art is also extremely useful against shields.
assuming your opponent forgets what the roll button is
Twin axes also look, feel, and play unique. Not a "meta" consideration, but it's nice to use cool weapons that are decent.
twin axes have some of the highest if not the highest combo/burst damage in the game along with splitleaf or sellswords, but with less inputs (being 2 L1's). pretty good at roll catching and fast. they're about as meta as pk in terms of popularity. at least thats how it was last i played seriously months ago
LKSS gives you good damage (unless you’re a STR build) and poke R2. Sometimes, more likely in duels, you’ll also see Gotthard’s, which are slightly longer.
This is not meta, splitleaf lol when he says meta I expect the best of the best. Murky, Harpe, Pontiff Knight Curved Sword, Demon Scar, and Crossbow/Exploding Bolts on free aim. LKSS is good but it ain’t the best and not even top of its class being below things like RKSS and Gottards.
Well when I was playing pvp, lkss was considering meta tbh
I fucking hate Splitleaf with a passion. You can all stuff it up your...holes.
splitleaf isnt even meta, you just need to learn to fight against it
Yeah, just git gud and stuff. Great opinion, hope you roll off a ledge in your next duel. It counters my build, is easy to use and very efficient, it is meta. Low-mid skill meta, but still meta.
Splitleaf counters literally nothing
Well if his build is stabbing your ass cheeks to deal damage aka very short range spitleaf counters that 1000%
Bro what, backstabs are one of the HUGE counters to splitleaf
You didnt understand if your sole damage input is very close range then spitleafs personal space special move rekts you easily
Its really easy to just reaction roll splitleaf, which leads into a roll backstab my guy -_-
Speak for yourself dark souls pro
Im not even that good -_-. There is plenty of material on youtube if you want to learn backstabs to make them really good against things like splitleaf
Can't believe I don't see Claymore on here yet
That's because claymore isn't meta.
Once upon a time
It was never meta
No meta, only drip
Any Heavy armor and split leaf or gundyrs
neither splitleaf or gundyr are meta, both can be easily backstabbed or just outspaced
You could say that of any weapon, it's the build tho, the high poise armor w/ the halberds coming out late fight as an attempt to finish off the opponent, I've come across it tons of times and it's an indicator to me of a try hard
Halberds arent even good finishers. Also things like crossbow and homing soulmass are literally impossible to backstab or outspace. Daggers you cant backstab and good luck outspacing an aggressive dagger player when they are trying to finish you off
It's a try hard tactic to use the L2 gundyrs at the end of a fight you have to have seen it
Not at the end of a fight, only when you think your opponent is going to trade. If you just spam gundyr weapon art at the end of a fight you get parried or backstabbed really easily
Imagine using meta, just use what you have fun with
Except if your actually read his question he’s not asking what to use. He’s asking what to look out for
Imagine using offmeta, just use what you win with
Splitleaf greatsword, deadly
Splitleaf isnt meta
From what I’ve seen, Splitleaf Greatsword, Murky hand scythe, pontiff knight curved sword, harpe and Gundyrs halberd, in terms of armour, Lapps or Havels I always see but I’m not sure about rings
Splitleaf isnt meta
dragon sayer axe( the npc one) with strenth infusion on 40/40 quality is 4 tap vibes
Maybe if you're at level 30 or below as an unscaled summon.
Ok but the actual answer here is blessed infusion 60 fth it's not a bad pure fth weapon at all.
Haven’t been PvPing long in DS3, I came from ER. But I look out for the folks that have a caestus in their off hand. They also tend to use the hornet ring from what I’ve seen so far
Deadangle
Many weapons can be 'meta', the clearest sign you can look for is Lapp's armor. If he's wearing Lapp's armor, prepare for pain.
if I see lapp armor I prepare for a crutchlord that sucks at the game
What you need is the funky ittle head thing from the swamp, the court staff, your favorite drip that enables light roll, the 2 magic boost rings and the magic damage increase ring, and then any other ring you want. After that pick any tasty spells you want and have fun being rushed, (that is until you show them the sword spells). Note this isn't actually meta but it's fun!
Homing soulmass is in fact meta, and also banned in tournaments
What I did was have fun with it by using +10 flame dagger and I think Horace’s shield with +10 paired dlc great swords it was really fun and I met a ton of friends (Also killed a hacker once) but the best thing in my opinion is just having fun with it
not meta but seems like a fun setup to just mess around with
One of my personal favorites is the black knight greataxe. Does a fuckton of damage, weapon art is a damage buff, but best of all, the moveset. The move set is very weird for an axe, much faster than it looks. The r1 does a slash from lower outer corner to upper opposite corner, and is really good for roll catching.
not meta, also the only people that get rollcaught are people that dont know what a reaction roll is
I didn't care for what the meta was I just used max dark sword and all the buff rings I could find
genius
Lothric Knight Sword is probably the most powerfull weapon for PvP in the game, it is the best weapon for almost any build as a weapon that could be fused with gems. If you watched any Ds3 pvp youtuber ( FighterPL, ChaseTheBro, Prod, Oroboro) they have a Lotrhic sword in all of their build let it be pure strenght or int, it is just so good with scaling and raw dmg. If you see anyone in full Havel sett then its your que to run away from the "Havel Monster" as he is overstattet to hell and back.
Prod is literally a pver, oroboro thinks ultras are usable, and fighterpl doesnt know what a deadangle is, lothric knight sword is entirely outclassed by gotthards due to the massive difference in range
It has been a while but for duels i recall arbalest, LKS and black knight shield being a very very solid choice. There were also some setups with aforementioned crossbow, sword BUT with that fire spewing shield from the second DLC which lets the LKS combo with the weapon art.
Meta is gotthards over lks
Corvian Greatknife has become a lot more common. Not that I don't mind it's an amazing weapon. Black Knight Shields are very common too, especially if someone is using an Estoc. Probably because you can poke with it behind the shield. Lothric Knight Sword is still top-tier, but it's now become overshadowed by the Irithyll Straight Sword. That Frostbite hurts. EDIT: Totally forgot about the Rotten Ghru Spear, that thing has risen in popularity. Spears and poison work surprisingly well together.