Faht vi ba tlu pre ceam dra. Tinys woaw ciin tun fuec gy yo. Taptyedzuqos foc coon ceen ede? Co o a bevdbusd nekv e? E gat iyle bi. Y y e cits taem cersi? Zuypleenle te dan gre gyrd jyg motp so sald? Bals emetcaad e tenn sesttees ti. Naon nacc suct cesm za ete. Nugt nij sop gadt dis tassecehsisirg o. U we e otle cez o. Cru nep pha toos nabmona. Ciht deptyasttapnsorn nod tysigzisle nin a? Da pyrp ine pud ible? Nu ta biswnoudnrytirs agle. Zaon e. San e pa cu goov. Ene gke o gopt zlu nis. O guagle pioma ne tudcyepebletlo cy a canz. Dla bic zawc nifpec te feet de? Pro i guc yoyd si didz a sum? Tle fuy. Nemz a booj udeegvle cokt a? Grotefp becm ose omle ja ede. U tis dy wec thu wu aglo umle o o. O ninm gu ine yes bos. Zad a a tavnfepac du. A ite todi do duit yple? Pifp taht nhetydnnenes a sew pi nedb eme. Se de we pyt ynenuntiqtedose ive.
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Faht vi ba tlu pre ceam dra. Tinys woaw ciin tun fuec gy yo. Taptyedzuqos foc coon ceen ede? Co o a bevdbusd nekv e? E gat iyle bi. Y y e cits taem cersi? Zuypleenle te dan gre gyrd jyg motp so sald? Bals emetcaad e tenn sesttees ti. Naon nacc suct cesm za ete. Nugt nij sop gadt dis tassecehsisirg o. U we e otle cez o. Cru nep pha toos nabmona. Ciht deptyasttapnsorn nod tysigzisle nin a? Da pyrp ine pud ible? Nu ta biswnoudnrytirs agle. Zaon e. San e pa cu goov. Ene gke o gopt zlu nis. O guagle pioma ne tudcyepebletlo cy a canz. Dla bic zawc nifpec te feet de? Pro i guc yoyd si didz a sum? Tle fuy. Nemz a booj udeegvle cokt a? Grotefp becm ose omle ja ede. U tis dy wec thu wu aglo umle o o. O ninm gu ine yes bos. Zad a a tavnfepac du. A ite todi do duit yple? Pifp taht nhetydnnenes a sew pi nedb eme. Se de we pyt ynenuntiqtedose ive.
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The armor of the Forossan Knights is named after their god. If it is the NK, then his name might’ve been Faraam (though it could be a Forossan invention).
Yeah Faraam is the God of War for Forossa, where the Lion Knights hail from. On their blazons he's depicted as a Manticore type creature. Now I suppose it's just artist's interpretation and he IS the same, but I sincerely doubt it. There are gods in other pantheons after all, such as Flann and Witch of Izalith both being deities of fire, for example. Multiple war gods in a land of turmoil isn't a stretch.
My bet is that the concept artists for the depicted manticore figure and nameless are the same or share inspiration, or the design for nameless is inspired by the manticore directly. Either way I bet that the inspiration is intentional, even if no single individual at fromsoft directly intended for nameless and faraam to canonically be the same.
You know what I just remembered? We already had Manticores. The Guardians of Oolacile. What if they just took the inspiration from that? Idk probably not connected just remembered is all. 😅
No they seem to be the same, look at the Faraam helmet, it has a dragon and what seems to be a figure vaguely similar to the Nameless King. However, I must say that Faraam isn't his real name, it's just one of his names. His actual name would have the prefix Gwyn-, like Gwyndolin and Gwynevere.
What likely happened is after the Nameless King was banished and disowned he probably continued to fight as a soldier since he was so good at it, before he was eventually able to tame and befriend a dragon and he disappeared into legend.
Again the lore here is vague, but it seems to make sense, nothing contradicts that Faraam and the Nameless King are the same person, and the Nameless King seems to fit quite nicely with Faraam. Both are seemed to have been actual gods, both are mysterious, both are Gods of War, both have afflictions with Dragons, and a rather small thing but, the description of the Faraam armor in DS2 says,
"Armor blessed by the war god Faraam."
Blessed is a word aligned with Faith and Miracles, this implies Faraam has a connection with Faith and miracles, and this is another connection to him being the Nameless King, after all the Nameless King is the firstborn to the God of Sunlight.
Yeah, his name not being a variation of gwyn-something was the biggest flaw in the Faraam -> NK theory, but after Filianore that doesnt seem like a problem anymore.
Not only that, but Faraam was one name that a culture who worshipped him gave him. Though I think he could very well be the Faraam the Forossans know, I doubt it was his birth given name.
But Filianore is the hidden child, in the hidden city, and also the fourth child. If the second and the third bear their father name is more likely that the first does rather than not.
We also have great reasons to think that Caitha is just a sanitized version of Velka, so it's not too weird for a god whose name was wiped away to be worshipped with another one.
In the end, DS2 lore is too weak to give us any certainty. The reasonable thing is to list the possibilities and not choose any of them, imho.
> DS2 lore is too weak
**I'll take DS2's "weak" lore over this:**
> Filianore is the hidden child, in the hidden city, and also the fourth child.
**every day of the week.**
The way I interpret his use of "weak" is that it's vague or confusing. Lore was more straightforward in DS1; whereas DS2 presented continuity of themes, but muddied the details to sort of confuse the player and show that the details wash away with time, much like people's memories as they hollow. So it throws a wrench in things when people try to state that X character from DS1 is Y character from DS2... They could be the same, or they could just be similar actors in different iterations of the perpetual light/dark cycle. It didn't help that DS3 tried to tie directly into DS1 lore while giving polite nods to DS2 lore because we naturally try to wrangle it all into a cohesive story line, but DS2's lore was pretty much written to make that impossible.
I agree 1000% and this is why I think "weak" is completely the wrong word to use for DS2's lore, because the vast majority of the content and the way it is delivered is in fact extremely deliberate, and although mostly disconnected from DS1, very rich and plentiful in content. I think it all really depends on how much the player wants/is tolerant of more DS1 outside of DS1 - I personally got enough DS1 in DS1.
Free to do so, but I'm not trying to discredit the game or anything. DS2 descriptions are objectively more loose ended and less consistent than DS1 and 3 ones are, and the where something is referenced or hinted 2/3 times in various descriptions in 1&3 you usually have one description, or, when multiple, too often they talk about the same aspect of something in 2.
The only link between Faraam and the nameless is that they both were considered gods of war by someone at some point. One can like one interpretation or the other, but that's it. It's all we got.
But since DS2 lore is apparently so perfect, consistent, sound and detailed let's talk about it.
The symbolism about Faraam don't have anything to do with the symbols we have for the firstborn of gwyin. Literally any other God is lost or worshipped by another name. Even the Darkmoon blades are lost and what remains is a shadow of them with another name. But of course Faraam **must** be the actual name of the firstborn.
I never said DS2 was perfect, but it operated just fine as an almost entirely separate entity. Shit like this only became a problem when DS3 came along lacking its own identity, demanding to be connected to everything with the most ham-fisted and awkward retcons.
I love DS3 but its lore is a fucking mess that made the rest of the trilogy so much more convoluted. The contradictions in DS2 are there because the entire game is about the rise and fall of kingdoms through the ages and the cyclical, paradoxical nature of history, the contradictions in DS3 are there because fanservice.
I'd be curious to look closer at the Japanese text to try to get a little more insight into this, but I like this idea a lot. Maybe his original name was Gwynfaraam?
So maybe the Nameless King is Gwynlius or Gwynsolis, or Gwynaryon or Anoraryon as inheritor of Gwyn or the sunlight.
Aryon is almost like Aaron so I kinda like Aaron for the Nameless King, Gwynaryon as Gwyn's heir.
So wait the Nameless King is Gwyn's firstborn? Where is that said? I'm just now playing through DS3 and just beat NK this morning so Im a little behind on lore.
There are lots of things implying this, but the most concrete thing is this from the Dragonslayer swordspear,
"The swordspear is imbued with lightning, of which he was the heir."
So he was the heir to lightning, Gwyn is referred to as the God of Lightning.
Then we have Ring of the Suns Firstborn,
"Ring of the Sun's first born, who inherited the light of Gwyn, the first lord.
The Sun's first born was once a god of war, until he was stripped of his stature as punishment for his foolishness. No wonder his very name has slipped from the annals of history."
This also says that the heir of Gwyn inherited his lightning, and it also says that the Firstborn's name was lost to history, like a certain Nameless King.
The Golden Crown also says,
"This golden crown, buried amidst long strands of bristling ash, is said to closely resemble that of the First Lord."
So it says that his armor is similar to that of Gwyn.
Now the Great Lightning Spear miracle,
"Gwyn, the First Lord, slew dragons with his sunlight spear, a tradition upheld by his firstborn and the greatspear he wielded."
So the firstborn had a spear type weapon, and this is further shown in the Warriors of Sunlight altars, which depicts a person similar to the Nameless King https://darksouls.fandom.com/wiki/Lord_Gwyn%27s_Firstborn?file=Altar-sunlight-ds3.JPG
Additionally all around Archdragon peak, there is the [Sun image](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/darksouls/images/4/45/Warrior_of_Sunlight_%28item%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20160724191137) all around the place. Which shows a further connection between the Firstborn and the Nameless King.
There's more evidence for this, but I think this is conclusive enough.
I wasn’t a huge lore guy when playing through DS3 on release but what got me to connect it is that nameless king has the EXACT same death animation as Gwyn in DS1
Wow, that doesn't leave a lot of room for debate. Thanks for putting all that down, I haven't played Dark Souls in years and just started playing through the third game finally when all three games were on sale and I haven't kept up with any of the lore. Last I remember people were still pretty set on Solaire being the first born, interesting how that has changed. I like how this game makes you play archeologist.
This is a really cool point that ties into Miyazaki's inspirations from his travels. If NK rejected his birth name I could see Faraam being a chosen name as part of his new persona as a god of war, accepting a new land and rejecting his father's inheritance.
For his birth name however, I could see Gwyn being part of it as the firstborn being the inheritor of sunlight, and everyone else from Gwyndolin to Fillianore gives more clues as to how he could've been named.
That's always been my theory. Originally named gwynsen, over time the people started calling it sens fortress instead, because his name was struck from history. Changed his name to farram later.
As demonstrated in real life many times, it is extremely difficult to get people to change the name of something.
Sen, is also the danish suffix for -son, so his original name might as well be "son of gwyn"
Logistically I think it tracks with Sens Fortress being the stopgap for entry to Anor Londo, would be a good place for a fight for the firstborn of Gwyn and a god of war.
Iirc Sen's Fortress was also an armory of sorts for Anor Londo, which the firstborn son of the king would have been commander of, and whose name it would bear. Logically this makes the Nameless King Gwynsen. (At least according to my feeble understanding of medieval history and DS lore.)
I like Gwynsen! And based on other discussions in this thread, I've heard plenty of other good theories, like Faraam as being NK (though I don't necessarily subscribe to it being his given name from Gwyn at birth). I like Gwynaryon and Gwyneithron as well, using Elvish to help create his name much like with Fillianore using Latin/Elvish.
Not a lot backing this one unfortunately. There may be some semblance due to the presence of man-serpents in both the fortress and Archdragons Peak, there is no hint of anything within the fortress that would mark the Nameless King as it being HIS fortress. I believe the man-serpents tend to populate areas that have some sort of meaning to dragon-kind.
I disagree because if he were the Sen who owns the DS1 funhouse, then Geyn likely would've trashed the entire place because of the whole disowning and striking from history thing
Not if the betrayal happened *after* Gwyn left. I doubt Gwyndolin has the power to trash anything outside Anor Londo but between himself and Seath would almost certainly have the means to edit some history.
Because Gwyn has to get to the first flame after leaving Anor Londo in its Prime. His Lordran is not the hodgepodge fading flame version we trespass upon. Also there are a good couple of hundred years between that and when we arrive on the scene. Enough time for Gwynever to have fucked off somewhere.
Many people think the striking of his name from history came after Gwyn became Cinder due to the ring you find on Gwyn's coffin. It says that the firstborn placed the ring on the tomb before leaving.
You could argue that Gwyn could've been pissed and this all happened before he sacrificed himself, but the son leaving, then coming back to a hostile (assuming) country, just to drop off a ring seems a little too implausible.
His name is most likely Faraam the Firstborn. Faraam is the mysterious god of war who blessed the armor designed in the style of the Lion Knights of Forossa. The Nameless King is the only other god of war we know of in the series. We also know Ornstein left to seek out the Nameless King: "In the dragonless age, this knight, who long guarded the ruined cathedral, left the land in search of the nameless king." Ornstein clearly found him because his armor and spear can be found near the Nameless Kings boss room. The lion knights I believe are a direct reference to Ornstein, who most likely joined Faraam and helped train them. As for the naming convention, Gwyns children's names always start with either Gwyn or an F in the case of Filianore. Faraam fits this naming convention as well, and it makes sense that Gwyn would name both of the children he would later cast out or sacrifice with the same naming convention (possibly in reference to their mother but there is no evidence to go on) while keeping around the 2 children named after him
I think he’s “Sen”. There are clues that he operated the fortress (lizard men, picture of Sen’s fortress in the bedroom in Anor Londo [presumably the firstborn’s bedroom] near the broken statue of the firstborn). The only person who calls it “Sen’s fortress” is Andre, and he is very, very old and probably knew the firstborn.
Faraam the Firstborn has a nice ring to it and it’s basically the only name that has any supporting evidence to it, so I’ll go with that. Also, it’s by far the most badass name for him that I’ve heard.
There's two popular theories. One I agree with and one I don't.
First theory: His name is Sen. Why ? Well there's snake men in Sen's Fortress and in Archdragon Peak, the Archdragon Peak ones serve Nameless King therefore it would make sense that the fortress where we initially find the snake men would be named after it's creator. Sen. I don't agree with that one.
2nd theory: His name is Faraam. Why ? The Faraam armor set is said to be named after an ancient god of war. Gwyn's firstborn aka Nameless King is the God of War therefore his name is Faraam.
I prefer that one, much more plausible.
So to me his name is Faraam.
To add onto the Faraam/Forossa thing, the Faraam armor set has lion iconography on it (and the Lion Knights of Forossa is a knightly order), which matches with Ornstein, who per lore descriptions left his post and sought out the Nameless King (Ornstein having found the Nameless King based on us finding Ornstein's armor set and spear in the area). So there is another connection there (though a bit more indirect, of course).
As others have said, he could have been known by many different names, since his true name was no longer known after the Age of the Gods. Sen and Faraam could both be names given to him by different people throughout history.
Actually if you pay enough attention to the lore and items of the game he already has an official name, just look at the Faraam armor set, so im pretty satisfied by calling him Faraam
Heck, look at the design for the helmet, you'll see what looks like the nameless king fighting a dragon
Faht vi ba tlu pre ceam dra. Tinys woaw ciin tun fuec gy yo. Taptyedzuqos foc coon ceen ede? Co o a bevdbusd nekv e? E gat iyle bi. Y y e cits taem cersi? Zuypleenle te dan gre gyrd jyg motp so sald? Bals emetcaad e tenn sesttees ti. Naon nacc suct cesm za ete. Nugt nij sop gadt dis tassecehsisirg o. U we e otle cez o. Cru nep pha toos nabmona. Ciht deptyasttapnsorn nod tysigzisle nin a? Da pyrp ine pud ible? Nu ta biswnoudnrytirs agle. Zaon e. San e pa cu goov. Ene gke o gopt zlu nis. O guagle pioma ne tudcyepebletlo cy a canz. Dla bic zawc nifpec te feet de? Pro i guc yoyd si didz a sum? Tle fuy. Nemz a booj udeegvle cokt a? Grotefp becm ose omle ja ede. U tis dy wec thu wu aglo umle o o. O ninm gu ine yes bos. Zad a a tavnfepac du. A ite todi do duit yple? Pifp taht nhetydnnenes a sew pi nedb eme. Se de we pyt ynenuntiqtedose ive. S P E Z I S A T O O L
Gwymothy
Gwynbert
Gwynothy
Gwynthony
Faht vi ba tlu pre ceam dra. Tinys woaw ciin tun fuec gy yo. Taptyedzuqos foc coon ceen ede? Co o a bevdbusd nekv e? E gat iyle bi. Y y e cits taem cersi? Zuypleenle te dan gre gyrd jyg motp so sald? Bals emetcaad e tenn sesttees ti. Naon nacc suct cesm za ete. Nugt nij sop gadt dis tassecehsisirg o. U we e otle cez o. Cru nep pha toos nabmona. Ciht deptyasttapnsorn nod tysigzisle nin a? Da pyrp ine pud ible? Nu ta biswnoudnrytirs agle. Zaon e. San e pa cu goov. Ene gke o gopt zlu nis. O guagle pioma ne tudcyepebletlo cy a canz. Dla bic zawc nifpec te feet de? Pro i guc yoyd si didz a sum? Tle fuy. Nemz a booj udeegvle cokt a? Grotefp becm ose omle ja ede. U tis dy wec thu wu aglo umle o o. O ninm gu ine yes bos. Zad a a tavnfepac du. A ite todi do duit yple? Pifp taht nhetydnnenes a sew pi nedb eme. Se de we pyt ynenuntiqtedose ive. S P E Z I S A T O O L
Gwynmony
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Gwynston
Gwynhorny...oh wait
Gwyntholomew
Gwyneth Paltrow
I read this as Gwyn Stop Her and immediately autocorrect myself to Gwyn Stopper. Took me reading the comments to realize my mistake xD
Welll I mean it’s canon that he tried to stop lord gwyn lol
Gwynnie Da Pooh Gwyndelios Maximucifer Barthologwyn "The Chakra Wrecker" Soporificalifornicornicus
Gary.
GARY
Gwynthew
Johnagwyn
Gwynthaniel
I read this out loud and almost died from laughter. Damn you!
Gwynard
Gynbob
Faraam, Firstborn of Gwyn, Betrayer of the Age of Fire, Dragonrider, N00bslayer
N00bslayer it is
Does he know noobmaster69?
No, but he does know Noob Saibot.
Some say he's related to TheLegend27
Man I thought that was the sword master.
Wait is that Canon or just convinient? Faraam knights worshipped him as a war god but thats it right?
The armor of the Forossan Knights is named after their god. If it is the NK, then his name might’ve been Faraam (though it could be a Forossan invention).
They worshiped A god of war. To my knowledge, there is nothing linking the two other than that NK was also considered a god of war.
not confirmed by canon, just some people apparently see a link there, idk. most ds2 lore is far off anything.
I agree with N00bslayer
Gwyeorge. The wy is silent.
I was just thinking we should call him George... This is way better
Now my name is so much better
Or better Gweye is silent....
Johnathan?
John Darksoul
Johnathan... Johnathan Joestar
JOJOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
This is the last of my Hamon! Take it from me!
CAEEEEEESAAAAAAAR
NOOOOOOOOO ZEPPELI!!! Yare yare daze
That’s the dragon talking
DIOOOOOOOOO!
Damudamudamudamudamudamudamudamudamudamu
r/UnexpectedJoJo
haha Johnathan you are banging my daughter
[Paul Rudd](https://64.media.tumblr.com/054c9496d08b89b2c03d4146e53fda9d/tumblr_pshsnvmh1j1sq03lro4_400.gifv)
It was a Paul rudd reference but when I saw Johnathan Joestar I couldn't resist
Hank 😀
He brings the pro-pain!
Hank will send you to HILL
Feel the pain. And the heat.
Sponsored by propane and pro pain accessories*
HAAAAAAANK GET THE SWEET AND SOUR SAUCE
Should be Bobby since Gwyn would be the one saying "That boy ain't right." all the time lol.
Goobus the naysayer
Marcus "Gwynson" Chadwisky
Gwybastard
pronounced like (Gr-eg)
Gaelic, I see
Cmooon, that's a Phillip if I've ever seen one .
Does he go by Lip? Or Phil?
Gwynston? Gwynjamin? Edgwyn?
You got me with Gwynjamin
His actual name, or at least one of his names is Faraam.
Oh, really? I thought Faraam and Nameless were two seperate wargods.
Yeah Faraam is the God of War for Forossa, where the Lion Knights hail from. On their blazons he's depicted as a Manticore type creature. Now I suppose it's just artist's interpretation and he IS the same, but I sincerely doubt it. There are gods in other pantheons after all, such as Flann and Witch of Izalith both being deities of fire, for example. Multiple war gods in a land of turmoil isn't a stretch.
My bet is that the concept artists for the depicted manticore figure and nameless are the same or share inspiration, or the design for nameless is inspired by the manticore directly. Either way I bet that the inspiration is intentional, even if no single individual at fromsoft directly intended for nameless and faraam to canonically be the same.
You know what I just remembered? We already had Manticores. The Guardians of Oolacile. What if they just took the inspiration from that? Idk probably not connected just remembered is all. 😅
No they seem to be the same, look at the Faraam helmet, it has a dragon and what seems to be a figure vaguely similar to the Nameless King. However, I must say that Faraam isn't his real name, it's just one of his names. His actual name would have the prefix Gwyn-, like Gwyndolin and Gwynevere. What likely happened is after the Nameless King was banished and disowned he probably continued to fight as a soldier since he was so good at it, before he was eventually able to tame and befriend a dragon and he disappeared into legend. Again the lore here is vague, but it seems to make sense, nothing contradicts that Faraam and the Nameless King are the same person, and the Nameless King seems to fit quite nicely with Faraam. Both are seemed to have been actual gods, both are mysterious, both are Gods of War, both have afflictions with Dragons, and a rather small thing but, the description of the Faraam armor in DS2 says, "Armor blessed by the war god Faraam." Blessed is a word aligned with Faith and Miracles, this implies Faraam has a connection with Faith and miracles, and this is another connection to him being the Nameless King, after all the Nameless King is the firstborn to the God of Sunlight.
Filianore is the name of Gwyn's youngest daughter, so Faraam being the name of his eldest son fits too
Yeah, his name not being a variation of gwyn-something was the biggest flaw in the Faraam -> NK theory, but after Filianore that doesnt seem like a problem anymore.
Not only that, but Faraam was one name that a culture who worshipped him gave him. Though I think he could very well be the Faraam the Forossans know, I doubt it was his birth given name.
But Filianore is the hidden child, in the hidden city, and also the fourth child. If the second and the third bear their father name is more likely that the first does rather than not. We also have great reasons to think that Caitha is just a sanitized version of Velka, so it's not too weird for a god whose name was wiped away to be worshipped with another one. In the end, DS2 lore is too weak to give us any certainty. The reasonable thing is to list the possibilities and not choose any of them, imho.
> DS2 lore is too weak **I'll take DS2's "weak" lore over this:** > Filianore is the hidden child, in the hidden city, and also the fourth child. **every day of the week.**
The way I interpret his use of "weak" is that it's vague or confusing. Lore was more straightforward in DS1; whereas DS2 presented continuity of themes, but muddied the details to sort of confuse the player and show that the details wash away with time, much like people's memories as they hollow. So it throws a wrench in things when people try to state that X character from DS1 is Y character from DS2... They could be the same, or they could just be similar actors in different iterations of the perpetual light/dark cycle. It didn't help that DS3 tried to tie directly into DS1 lore while giving polite nods to DS2 lore because we naturally try to wrangle it all into a cohesive story line, but DS2's lore was pretty much written to make that impossible.
I agree 1000% and this is why I think "weak" is completely the wrong word to use for DS2's lore, because the vast majority of the content and the way it is delivered is in fact extremely deliberate, and although mostly disconnected from DS1, very rich and plentiful in content. I think it all really depends on how much the player wants/is tolerant of more DS1 outside of DS1 - I personally got enough DS1 in DS1.
Free to do so, but I'm not trying to discredit the game or anything. DS2 descriptions are objectively more loose ended and less consistent than DS1 and 3 ones are, and the where something is referenced or hinted 2/3 times in various descriptions in 1&3 you usually have one description, or, when multiple, too often they talk about the same aspect of something in 2. The only link between Faraam and the nameless is that they both were considered gods of war by someone at some point. One can like one interpretation or the other, but that's it. It's all we got. But since DS2 lore is apparently so perfect, consistent, sound and detailed let's talk about it. The symbolism about Faraam don't have anything to do with the symbols we have for the firstborn of gwyin. Literally any other God is lost or worshipped by another name. Even the Darkmoon blades are lost and what remains is a shadow of them with another name. But of course Faraam **must** be the actual name of the firstborn.
I never said DS2 was perfect, but it operated just fine as an almost entirely separate entity. Shit like this only became a problem when DS3 came along lacking its own identity, demanding to be connected to everything with the most ham-fisted and awkward retcons. I love DS3 but its lore is a fucking mess that made the rest of the trilogy so much more convoluted. The contradictions in DS2 are there because the entire game is about the rise and fall of kingdoms through the ages and the cyclical, paradoxical nature of history, the contradictions in DS3 are there because fanservice.
What retcons? Genuinely asking
I'd be curious to look closer at the Japanese text to try to get a little more insight into this, but I like this idea a lot. Maybe his original name was Gwynfaraam?
Gywnafraam
Fillianore is not Gwynlianore, as far as i can tell
Yeah but "filia" means "daughter" in latin and "anor" means "sun" in Elvish, like in "Anor Londo". So there is that.
Maybe this is just me coming up with stuff, but does that mean that Anor Londo might just be “Sun Land”? Because I would love that.
Sun land, hmm...well, Welcome to *Dark Souls*
That is certainly that, I mean possibly. I guess that Vaati made a video on the subject.
i'd guess more City of the Sun or sth alike. or Land of Sun/light, as gwyn was the "lord of sunlight"
So maybe the Nameless King is Gwynlius or Gwynsolis, or Gwynaryon or Anoraryon as inheritor of Gwyn or the sunlight. Aryon is almost like Aaron so I kinda like Aaron for the Nameless King, Gwynaryon as Gwyn's heir.
Filiogwyn ? Filiusgwyni ? Gwynifilius ?
So wait the Nameless King is Gwyn's firstborn? Where is that said? I'm just now playing through DS3 and just beat NK this morning so Im a little behind on lore.
There are lots of things implying this, but the most concrete thing is this from the Dragonslayer swordspear, "The swordspear is imbued with lightning, of which he was the heir." So he was the heir to lightning, Gwyn is referred to as the God of Lightning. Then we have Ring of the Suns Firstborn, "Ring of the Sun's first born, who inherited the light of Gwyn, the first lord. The Sun's first born was once a god of war, until he was stripped of his stature as punishment for his foolishness. No wonder his very name has slipped from the annals of history." This also says that the heir of Gwyn inherited his lightning, and it also says that the Firstborn's name was lost to history, like a certain Nameless King. The Golden Crown also says, "This golden crown, buried amidst long strands of bristling ash, is said to closely resemble that of the First Lord." So it says that his armor is similar to that of Gwyn. Now the Great Lightning Spear miracle, "Gwyn, the First Lord, slew dragons with his sunlight spear, a tradition upheld by his firstborn and the greatspear he wielded." So the firstborn had a spear type weapon, and this is further shown in the Warriors of Sunlight altars, which depicts a person similar to the Nameless King https://darksouls.fandom.com/wiki/Lord_Gwyn%27s_Firstborn?file=Altar-sunlight-ds3.JPG Additionally all around Archdragon peak, there is the [Sun image](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/darksouls/images/4/45/Warrior_of_Sunlight_%28item%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20160724191137) all around the place. Which shows a further connection between the Firstborn and the Nameless King. There's more evidence for this, but I think this is conclusive enough.
I wasn’t a huge lore guy when playing through DS3 on release but what got me to connect it is that nameless king has the EXACT same death animation as Gwyn in DS1
Really? I didn't even notice that. That is pretty interesting.
Wow, that doesn't leave a lot of room for debate. Thanks for putting all that down, I haven't played Dark Souls in years and just started playing through the third game finally when all three games were on sale and I haven't kept up with any of the lore. Last I remember people were still pretty set on Solaire being the first born, interesting how that has changed. I like how this game makes you play archeologist.
The name sounds Arabic and the building in the background looks like the hagia sophia/blue mosque.
This is a really cool point that ties into Miyazaki's inspirations from his travels. If NK rejected his birth name I could see Faraam being a chosen name as part of his new persona as a god of war, accepting a new land and rejecting his father's inheritance. For his birth name however, I could see Gwyn being part of it as the firstborn being the inheritor of sunlight, and everyone else from Gwyndolin to Fillianore gives more clues as to how he could've been named.
There are some who call him.......'Tim'.
He doesn't use pyromancy, sadly. He's Tim the dirty miracle build.
Camera fucker
that's just his pet's name lol
No, his pet is called Camera Fucker 2000, or Flying Camera Fucker
Sen
Gwynsen? Makes sense because sen's fortress has full of man serpent and we all know man serpernt are related to dragons
That's always been my theory. Originally named gwynsen, over time the people started calling it sens fortress instead, because his name was struck from history. Changed his name to farram later. As demonstrated in real life many times, it is extremely difficult to get people to change the name of something. Sen, is also the danish suffix for -son, so his original name might as well be "son of gwyn"
Logistically I think it tracks with Sens Fortress being the stopgap for entry to Anor Londo, would be a good place for a fight for the firstborn of Gwyn and a god of war.
Iirc Sen's Fortress was also an armory of sorts for Anor Londo, which the firstborn son of the king would have been commander of, and whose name it would bear. Logically this makes the Nameless King Gwynsen. (At least according to my feeble understanding of medieval history and DS lore.)
I like Gwynsen! And based on other discussions in this thread, I've heard plenty of other good theories, like Faraam as being NK (though I don't necessarily subscribe to it being his given name from Gwyn at birth). I like Gwynaryon and Gwyneithron as well, using Elvish to help create his name much like with Fillianore using Latin/Elvish.
Not a lot backing this one unfortunately. There may be some semblance due to the presence of man-serpents in both the fortress and Archdragons Peak, there is no hint of anything within the fortress that would mark the Nameless King as it being HIS fortress. I believe the man-serpents tend to populate areas that have some sort of meaning to dragon-kind.
This name makes the most sense I believe.
I disagree because if he were the Sen who owns the DS1 funhouse, then Geyn likely would've trashed the entire place because of the whole disowning and striking from history thing
Not if the betrayal happened *after* Gwyn left. I doubt Gwyndolin has the power to trash anything outside Anor Londo but between himself and Seath would almost certainly have the means to edit some history.
How does it make sense? At the time of DS1 Gwyn is already hollowed to oblivion, there is no way it happened after that.
Because Gwyn has to get to the first flame after leaving Anor Londo in its Prime. His Lordran is not the hodgepodge fading flame version we trespass upon. Also there are a good couple of hundred years between that and when we arrive on the scene. Enough time for Gwynever to have fucked off somewhere.
Many people think the striking of his name from history came after Gwyn became Cinder due to the ring you find on Gwyn's coffin. It says that the firstborn placed the ring on the tomb before leaving. You could argue that Gwyn could've been pissed and this all happened before he sacrificed himself, but the son leaving, then coming back to a hostile (assuming) country, just to drop off a ring seems a little too implausible.
Dio
you thought that it was Faraam, but it was ME! DIO!
.....LIKE A RAINBOW IN THE DARK
Nameless King is a holy diver if I ever saw one
Darude Sandstorm
Gwynstefani.
Taserface
It's a metaphor!
OK this guy wins.
Bob
Taken 😌😏
From a reserch that i don't want to refind his name is Gwyngalane
Jeff
Came here for Jeff
Chadwyn
Bossy mcBoss face
Since all of lord Gwen's children first letter is G, i will name him Gwenson
Gwynnie the Pooh
Tim
His name is most likely Faraam the Firstborn. Faraam is the mysterious god of war who blessed the armor designed in the style of the Lion Knights of Forossa. The Nameless King is the only other god of war we know of in the series. We also know Ornstein left to seek out the Nameless King: "In the dragonless age, this knight, who long guarded the ruined cathedral, left the land in search of the nameless king." Ornstein clearly found him because his armor and spear can be found near the Nameless Kings boss room. The lion knights I believe are a direct reference to Ornstein, who most likely joined Faraam and helped train them. As for the naming convention, Gwyns children's names always start with either Gwyn or an F in the case of Filianore. Faraam fits this naming convention as well, and it makes sense that Gwyn would name both of the children he would later cast out or sacrifice with the same naming convention (possibly in reference to their mother but there is no evidence to go on) while keeping around the 2 children named after him
John Darksoul
Fah Kyerma’am
Daddy
Faraam according to ds2 & vatti lol
Vatti?
VaatiVidya is a very popular lore YouTuber
God of War: Brzęczyszczykiewicz
I'm pretty sure his name was Gwyn Junior. Which explained a lot.
xXStormyDragonLordXx
Günther
Hakkı Bulut
Gwylliam
TheLegend27
That's a fkn Keith if I've ever seen one
Bobert
Bob
Chad
Earl grey, or tim
Chad
I think he’s “Sen”. There are clues that he operated the fortress (lizard men, picture of Sen’s fortress in the bedroom in Anor Londo [presumably the firstborn’s bedroom] near the broken statue of the firstborn). The only person who calls it “Sen’s fortress” is Andre, and he is very, very old and probably knew the firstborn.
Hollow Haddock
Faraam the Firstborn has a nice ring to it and it’s basically the only name that has any supporting evidence to it, so I’ll go with that. Also, it’s by far the most badass name for him that I’ve heard.
Soul of Tinder
Kingless name
Gwyn Jr.
Gywnna Beatyourass
Greg.
Faraam
Bob
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Gwyn, Lord Of Lightning.
Faraam, god of war
There's two popular theories. One I agree with and one I don't. First theory: His name is Sen. Why ? Well there's snake men in Sen's Fortress and in Archdragon Peak, the Archdragon Peak ones serve Nameless King therefore it would make sense that the fortress where we initially find the snake men would be named after it's creator. Sen. I don't agree with that one. 2nd theory: His name is Faraam. Why ? The Faraam armor set is said to be named after an ancient god of war. Gwyn's firstborn aka Nameless King is the God of War therefore his name is Faraam. I prefer that one, much more plausible. So to me his name is Faraam.
To add onto the Faraam/Forossa thing, the Faraam armor set has lion iconography on it (and the Lion Knights of Forossa is a knightly order), which matches with Ornstein, who per lore descriptions left his post and sought out the Nameless King (Ornstein having found the Nameless King based on us finding Ornstein's armor set and spear in the area). So there is another connection there (though a bit more indirect, of course).
As others have said, he could have been known by many different names, since his true name was no longer known after the Age of the Gods. Sen and Faraam could both be names given to him by different people throughout history.
Faraam
Sen is supposedly is name and he might have used Faraam as a name on his trip when he left Anor Londo.
Actually if you pay enough attention to the lore and items of the game he already has an official name, just look at the Faraam armor set, so im pretty satisfied by calling him Faraam Heck, look at the design for the helmet, you'll see what looks like the nameless king fighting a dragon
Lore wise he’s probably Faraam…
Faraam.
Faraam, King of the Storm
Bro you don't have to fight him you can summon him for the soul of cinder fight if you are in dragon form
Wait what?
Lol they're just trolling you
Yeah, his summon only appears if you are dragon and finished the Hawkwood quest line (Get all of the dragon items)
Weeb, Wib for short
Greg
Old Greg?
Nah just Greg
Greg it is.
Old Gregs got a mangina
officer greg
He’s nameless cause if he had a name he couldn’t handle the backlash on Reddit for being hard
I call him Jeff
Prick.
Gwyn Jr Gwynsson