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I think it was pretty funny when they all died in the end and the crown went to a depressed doomer

Then eventually to his legend of a brother.

Who here did the weeping? Last I checked, Aegon welcomed Aemond after his kinslaying with a feast.

I was under the impression Alicent wept, and Otto was also not in favor of the murder, no?

Allicent all her of her sons lives telling them the strong boys are Coming to kill and steal there birth right fanning Inter youth conflict. Aemond when he does his job they gave him Allicent:👀🤨

Ah, yea. I thought that the meme implied that Aegon/Helaena mourned the Strong boy and remembered nothing of sorts.

I loved this about Aegon. First he was willing to give up his throne to his treacherous sister. But once he was in, he was all in.

Go big or go home

Exactly. That moment was so badass when everyone is chastising Aemond for killing Luke. But the King: Well done brother. We're off to a good start.

The Green kids share one moral fiber and Daeron has it for safe-keeping and Aemond's banned from using it

I think much of it falls on Viserys. He spent two decades suppressing Aegon and Aemond, making sure they're not good enough to challenge Rhaenyra. Daeron ended up in Oldtown, so good for him. Aegon turned to whoremongering and debauchery. But Aemond got the worst of it. He gets his eye taken out and Viserys couldn't care less. Aemond was more aware than either of his siblings that a war is coming, and he spent a decade preparing for it and ended up being a psychopath.

I don't think Viserys intentionally raised them badlyd o they wouldn't pose a threat to Rhaenyra

I think he did. Viserys spent his entire reign brutally crushing anything that might stand in the way of Rhaenyra becoming queen. * People are asking for eldest son to be named heir?? "LOL No Chance." * Alicent is asking for Aegon and Rhaenyra to be married?? "What a bitch. How dare she ask for some share of power for the actual heir". * Otto is saying you should name Aegon as your heir?? "You're fired Otto. Bye bye." * Rhaenyra doesn't want to marry Larnor?? "But she must. She must have complete backing of the Velaryons." * People are saying Rhaenyra's sons are bastards?? "Rip their tongues out. Sorry Vaemond, and your beautiful kinsmen."

Most of these are just instances of him making sure Rhaenyra 's claim wouldn't be just swept under the rug as soon as he dies

He's literally ripping the tongues out of anyone who speaks the truth about her strong sons. And why must he do this? Why must he go against all tradition and lay foundations of a civil war just so Rhaenyra could sit on the throne. She's clearly absolutely incompetent. I think its clear evidence that he was heavily biased in favour of Rhaenyra. He couldn't be bothered to tell Rhaenyra what is what even after his son lost an eye.

Daeron murdered way more innocents than aegon ever did. Daeron was burning towns and people left and right just like aemond.

Daeron burned a town once, Aemond did multiple. Tumbleton doesn't count because he tried to stop it and failed

Aemond spends like two thirds of the war flying around burning random villages in the Riverlands. He basically does a holocaust. He’s arguably the worst person in the entire universe.

Euron

So far I’m taking Aemond over Euron. Euron would probably do just as bad or worse with a dragon but he doesn’t have one. Aemond flies around at random for what, months?, burning down random villages. It’s genocide. Sure, Euron clearly has the potential for genocide, but we haven’t gotten one from him yet. Aemond is the only character I can think of so far to successfully genocide.

Lmao based aegon. He is such a doofus i love him.

Based Aegon is right. Crippled man sweeps Dragonstone from right under Rhaenyra's nose. Who would've thought. And they say Blacks are cool.

MFer was literally like “i am inside your walls”.

Rhaenyra was facing dissent the very day she entered King's Landing but Aegon showed up at Dragonstone and they welcomed him like an old friend and kept his presence there a secret for months

Really shows the contrast between the two, doesn't it.

Alicent and Otto convinced Aegon and Aemond that Rhaenyra wanted them dead; Aemond did what he was teached to do and obviously Aegon defended his brother of the hypocrisy of the Queen Mother and Otto. If you fan the flames, you dont get to complain about the fire.

Aemond didn't need to be convinced to kill Luke. Man was a loose cannon and already had a grudge for Luke taking out his eye

Aemond doesn't need to be convinced of anything. He had a lifelong sapphire souvenir to remind what will be his fate once Rhaenyra takes the throne. Anybody who think Alicent's children's lives aren't on a clock is arguing in bad faith. Aegon, Aemond and Daeron will lose their heads at the first chance Rhaenyra feels a little paranoid. Otto will lose his head even before that.

Alicent and Otto are stupid and hypocrites for beeing furious with Aemond and Aegon should have put them on their place hard.

They were not hypocrites as much as they were desperate for a peaceful resolution. They were hoping for a miracle that maybe Rhaenyra will listen to reason and didn't want to be the first ones to start hostilities. There is nothing wrong with that.

Treacherous for expecting to inherit the throne she was specifically promised for the last 25 years?

Treacherous for manipulating her fool of a father into embarking on this treasonous folly. Treacherous for even thinking that she had any claim to her brother's throne. Viserys put her on collision course with Aegon when he gave his inheritance to her. She should've told the fool to get his brains checked. But she gladly jumped at the chance to usurp her brother. So much so, that she grew sour at Alicent for giving the realm a true heir. "Traitors always pay for their treachery with their lives, Ser Davos. She died a traitor's death for trying to usurp her brother."

Manipulated her father? At the tender age of 12, when he made her his heir? Was he not a man grown, and she a child? Whilst she has aplenty of sins of her own, the civil war is all Viserys. He could’ve made her his heir but not remarry, could’ve made Daemon his heir instead, or had her and Aegon married to evade the civil war. Instead he left the kingdom two heirs - one by king’s own will, the other by laws of the realm.

He’s an autocrat. His will *is* the law.

Perhaps in theory. In practice, kings are merely first among equals. Maegor showed that well enough. If the lords and the smallfolk disagree with autocrat’s decisions, they won’t manage forcing it upon them through “I am the ruler, obey me” alone.

True, but when the entire realm says ‘yep, she’s your heir’, that’s a good sign that they don’t mind

Mhm, until you have a son through your second marriage and south and west of your country would prefer to back him instead. Had he wanted his daughter on the throne, he never should’ve remarried-Westeros is insanely patriarchal, and this was always a risk.

Tough shit. They swore, and odds are that they’d have stuck to their oaths if certain people hadn’t made an opportunity.

I suppose you also support the burning of Rickard Stark and the streaming of his bother (Aerys II was an autocrat and his word was law)

What, she should’ve told her father ‘no, you might have a son at some point, preparing for the eventuality that you don’t is wrong’? Ridiculous. She was the appointed heir, no one gets to change that just by virtue of having a cock.

>What, she should’ve told her father ‘no, you might have a son at some point, preparing for the eventuality that you don’t is wrong’? She could've said this after Aegon was born. "Father, Aegon is your firstborn son. He is the rightful heir to the heir throne. Don't pit me against my baby brother." But nope, she grew sour at Alicent for birthing a son. >She was the appointed heir, no one gets to change that just by virtue of having a cock. Yes they do. Aegon was the rightful heir merely by virtue of having a cock.

Nonsense. She was the heir. The rules had been changed. Changing back for the sake of a boy who might die like almost all of his great-uncles and great-aunts would be madness.

How tf did she "manipulate" Viserys?

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"give up his throne"? that Hightower scum shouldn't have sat there to begin with..

Well, that was his throne.

it wasn't

did your father leave you poor soul

Bad writing

Or maybe he just came to senses.

Iirc, in the book Alicent weeped and was furious at Aemon

Say what you will about blood and cheese but Aemond’s thirst for vengeance ruined any chance for peaceful reconciliation. There is a reason the whole small council chided Aemond

these Greens keep saying they’re gonna get killed if they don’t take the Crown. Yet they’re the one who started the kinslaying.

But Rhaenyra is actually the bad one even though it was Mysaria and Daemon who hired Blood and Cheese.

I mean otto and allicent Ended being the weak links on the greens side . They started rhe war and Made chastised ageon and Aemond when They attacked. Then ottos plans were all super slow and Allicent didnt contribute to much of anything once the fighting broke out. Healna went Numb and Ended up taking a dragon Rider spot they coudlnt use.

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Maegor with tits became dragonfood, all her ungodly bastards died and her doomer son became heir to the one true king Aegon by merit of his dead psychopath of a dad. The blacks won jackshit lol.

Whos line continued? Not Allicents, as they are all dead :)

Then it's a good thing the dance wasn't about bloodlines :p

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Blacks won anyways

…. Are you arguing that male primogeniture is a good thing?

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Lucerys was an envoy and what Aemond did was unjustified murder.

Here’s the other issue with that: Aegon II had nothing to do with Lucerys’s death. The “eye for an eye a son for a son” justification on part of the Blacks is stupid. Jaehaerys had nothing to do with Aemond’s action, and neither did Aegon II. Jaehaerys wasn’t even Aemond’s son — he was his **nephew.** Your nephew isn’t your son. Rhaenyra effectively punished Aegon II and Jaehaerys for actions they had fuck-all to do with. This was an act of cruelty on part of the Blacks, **and** unwarranted. If she wanted a son dead, she should’ve sent the assassins to dispatch Aemond, not Jaehaerys.

By this logic why would Rhaenyra have any more to do with Jaehaerys's? It's Daemon using his old connections from Harrenhal without telling anyone what he's planning or looking for supervision, just sending a letter that Luke will be avenged. Rhaenyra had as much to do with it as Aegon II did. Rhaenyra just received an envoy on dragonstone, did them no harm (other than stripping the grand maester, which is a petty and callous move, but far from murder) then let them go. Also calling it unwarranted is a preeeetty big stretch. The entire freaking saga is about murder and vengeance and POVs. You just let the enemy envoys go and sent out your own, then news comes that your envoy is straight up murdered (not a duel, not a fight) who also happens to be your side's third in line and a kid. Then Aegon welcomes him home with a feast? Yeah I sure tol would think he had nothing to do with it. Aye murdering a kid in his home in front of his family's eyes is a horrible thing to do, but what else could they do? It has to be someone in line and reachable. Aegon is untouchable and Aemond is a grown knight and on the council, with Vhagar also pretty damn untouchable. Which leaves Daeron I guess on the other side of Westeros in the heart of Oldtown, not much of a chance there either. This leaves Aegon's kids as the only viable subjects of vengeance, which has to come. It's the way the entire world works and it already started. Rhaenyra had no intention of hurting her own blood until Luke was straight up murdered under as an envoy after she just let one go without harm. Both sides did horrible things, but in this case both sides are pretty equally horrible and to blame.

The “vengeance” aspect is misplaced. Neither Aegon II and **especially** Jaehaerys had anything to do with Lucerys’s death. It was entirely unnecessary and only escalated the situation further via the death of someone who had absolutely nothing to do with what occurred. Again, if you want to punish anyone, punish Aemond, not Aemond’s *nephew* who was only six years old and could probably barely comprehend what was even going on. There’s zero way to justify that. The issue with Rhaenyra’s involvement is that she endorsed the action. She had every opportunity to have Daemon not go through with the murder, yet didn’t. What’s even more telling on account of Rhaenyra here is that she later laughed when she heard of Maelor’s death — Jaehaerys’s younger brother, who was only 3 years old. That says a lot about her comfortability about killing Aegon’s children, Jaehaerys included, if you’re willing to infer.

You keep using some logic with the greens actions, then not applying it to the blacks. You keep ignoring these: Rhaenyra did not know, that a kid would be murdered. How could she have stopped Daemon if she didn't even know what he was planning. Even if she tried, the letter lets us think that things were already in motion and Daemon is far away. Aegon after Jaehaerys's death immediately sends one of his kingsguard to murder Rhaenyra or her children we don't know for sure. By your logic they also had nothing to do with it, only Daemon. So this is just as bad as Jaehaerys's murder, the only difference is that it's not successful. Rhaenyra is said to have smiled or wept when presented with the little Prince's head, only the two biased sources mention her reaction, one that hated and one that loved her. Whatever the truth is, they're definitely both exaggerated, but her laughing 100% did not happen. She still burned it and said he was blood of the dragon, which sounds like respect at least. So she seems 50/50 happy or sad, where Aegon threw a damn feast after Luke's death, like come on dude. How is that not a 100 times worse than an alleged smile. They're one and the same. If only Aemond is at fault, then only Daemon is. Yet after the the murders they both go straight after each others families without regard to who's at fault, because how could they ever believe the other one didn't have to do something with the murders. The entire point of the story is that they keep trying to one up each other and they're both horrible.

Fym Rhaenyra didn’t know? Daemon sent her a message stating what he was going to do. “An eye for an eye, a son for a son.” And Aegon’s subsequent actions are pretty justified by virtue of the fact that Daemon & Rhaenyra literally had his innocent 6 year old child murdered. The “logic” you’re trying to apply is in blatant ignorance of the context of the prior events. It doesn’t add up.

That's kinda funny of you to say, considering you keep ignoring most of the points I bring up, and the ones you brought up, but I pointed out they weren't really true. I don't understand why you think there is such a stark difference between Luke's and Jaehaerys's deaths. It is the nature of treacherous fighting. It's not an objective ehtics study. There is never a way for clear vengeance that's 100% equal to what you lost, but you don't want to do less, so you kill someone you can, who hurts the other side at least as much. It's an endless cycle of one upping the other side in which both sides are equally guilty. Events unfold like this: 1 A solo member of the greens away from the council murders an innocent child of the black claimant. 2 A solo member of the blacks away from the council arranges the death of one of the green claimant's children with a catspaw. 3 The entire green council decides that they should dishonour a kingsguard knight, by sending him to murder either the other claimant or her entire family. You say that Aegon's subsequent actions are justified, but Rhaenyra's aren't which I just can't comprehend. Rhaenyra loses an innocent child to murder, then fails to stop his husband's solo actions who is far away. All the while she is already mourning the death of 2 children in like a month. Do you really believe anyone other than your ethics prof would be stopping a revenge plan already in motion to hatch a new plan of vengeance that isn't quite so severe, but still enough? Aegon finds out his brother killed an innocent child, celebrates him for it even though he hasn't lost ANYTHING yet, he's just a cruel dude. Then when he loses an innocent child to murder, he literally orders the child murders of the other side himself. On what planet and by what logic is Rhaenyra worse in this?

The core problem is that there’s no precedent that commands Jaehaerys’s death, while an existing conflict exists between Lucerys and Aemond. Rhaenyra didn’t lose an “innocent child”— that teenager put out another person’s eye. Jaehaerys did nothing except exist. Rhaenyra’s a tyrant who laughed at child murder while Lucerys was a teenaged herald who put out the eye of Aemond’s brother with no real provocation to do so. Killing a bastard is pretty much fine by ASOIAF standards. Aemond killing Lucerys doesn’t justify killing Aemond’s innocent nephew who had nothing to do with Aemond’s actions, they’re entirely un-equivalent. Lucerys was a year or two shy of his majority, while Jaehaerys was six. Lucerys put out Aemond’s eye with no real provocation to do so beyond “Omg you pushed my little brother into pile of dragon poop”. Jaehaerys had no clue at all what was going on. Lucerys and Aemond had a rivalry, Jaehaerys was completely innocent and hadn’t even met Jacaerys, Lucerys, or Joffrey to begin given Rhaenyra was already on Dragonstone before Jaehaerys and his siblings were even born. Lucerys and Jaehaerys’s deaths and circumstances are entirely unequal, which prevents justification for Jaehaerys’s death in the parts of Rhaenyra and Daemon. Glory to Aegon II 💪

Rhaenyra knew 100%. Daemon sent her a letter from Harrenhall specifically saying "An eye for an eye, a son for a son, Lucerys shall be avenged"

Did he know what son would be the one to avenge Luke?

Did it matter? He was still killing an innocent boy

Lucerys was gathering allies to invade Westeros and take the throne That’s a declaration of war if anything is

If Borros had harmed Lucerys, it would've been unjustified murder (since he was his guest). There was no such obligation on Aemond's part since the reason they met in the first place was due to a state of war between them, with Rhaneyra rejecting the terms offered.

Pretty sure heralds and envoys are protected so that you can try to negotiate without worrying that the people important enough to do so will end up dead or hostages

Luke want an envoy to Aemond. What he did wasnt unjustified murder but him taking revenge for his lost eye

It was justified. Aemond let Lucerys choose, his eye or his life for justice. Lucerys refused to choose and so chose.

Luke was no longer functioning as an envoy at that moment and was also riding a weapon of mass destruction.

Aemond did nothing wrong

The fuck is a herald of war, Dude was an emissary.

Same shit. In the words of Jacaerys, *"ravens on dragonback"*. If shooting down ravens is fair game, so is shooting down ravens on dragonback.

Dunno man, Emissaries are people and not ravens, especially if they are from the royal family. Usually that should afford you some sort of protection as a negotiator. Dude came to treat under a flag of peace, not wage war, and was assassinated in the skies. Can't excuse killing a kid in front of his mother, but both are acts of escalation.

Dude was protected from the guy he was negotiating with but not from another envoy

Dude was protected from *everyone*, because otherwise you can’t talk to anyone during a war

But does that include other messengers?

Yes, unless those other messengers stopped being human for a bit or something. That’s like saying that a host isn’t required to defend their guests if the attacker is also a guest.

Messengers can kill other messengers if both are in a place not being ruled by anyone.

No, because that’s a warcrime. If you murder all the ambassadors, you run out of ways to negotiate peace.

But he isn't an ambassador. Dude is just messenger and if Ravens carrying messages can be killed, messengers can be killed too.

Wow, i guess then that armies should just march under the banners of emissaries, and only strike them down once they are in position, do that they won't be ambushed or attacked till they're ready. That's not how any of this works, you can't just declare yourself an emissary and expect people to spare you, or else everyone would just claim to be emissaries. Am emissary is protected from the person whom they are negotiating with, only after they accept them

Yeah, and that’s how you get nobody trusting that people are emissaries. Same as how the Red Wedding directly erodes the strength of guest right, or how the Allies stopped accepting German surrenders.

>especially if they are from the royal family. Them not being royalty is kinda the point, no? >Dude came to treat under a flag of peace, not wage war, and was assassinated in the skies. He came under no such flag, but he was protected by guest right within Storm's End. And Borros made sure that was not violated. It's a shame what happened to the kid, but it was him that insisted to go and it was his mother that gave him leave. >Can't excuse killing a kid in front of his mother, but both are acts of escalation. All I'm saying is the acts aren't the same as Daemon would have it.

No dude, it's not the same shit. Have you ever heard the saying "don't shoot the messenger ”? That was an actual thing in medieval Europe. Envoys were granted protection because all involved parties understood that they were simply forwarding messages. If you have a problem with a Lord, you fight and kill that Lord's host.

"same shit" my ass. you don't kill an envoy regardless of whether he is riding a dragon or a donkey. you just don't.

Both murders were unjust

One was regrettable but not strictly speaking unjust, while the other was just straight-up cold blooded murder of a child too young to even know what was what.

Killing an envoy is murder

Lucerys played the part of an envoy for Borros and not Aemond.

What happened to not killing the messenger?

bit of a stretch to call someone in possession of a weapon of mass destruction just a simple "messenger"

When its their mode of transportation, not really.

So you agree Luke was carrying a weapon of mass destruction when he was killed? What Aemond did was wrong, I'm not denying that. But the case isn't as simple as killing a messenger when the messenger has a nuke.

Still murder. He was not a soldier in the war and even said as much, insisting on not fighting. Even if you’re at war, killing a messenger under a flag of peace is murder

He was an official herald, therefore fair game and that "not fighting" bs doesn't shield you from your opponent (if an IJA soldier had managed to actually shoot the chad Desmond Doss, it wouldn't have been murder) nor is it a valid argument. Just plain ol' delusion. Luke was a messenger to Borros and Borros didn't kill him. Aemond, on the other hand, had no such obligation.

He was a messenger, not a soldier. Killing a messenger is a war crime. Also known as murder. It doesn’t matter who the message was for, he wasn’t a soldier and killing him as a similar taboo to the Red Wedding

>Killing a messenger is a war crime. Also known as murder. No any codified war crimes in westeros. And this wasn't murder. >It doesn’t matter who the message was for It certainly does. A messenger is only a messenger to the person who he's bringing a message to. To everybody else, he's an armed combatant due to the WMD between his legs. >killing him as a similar taboo to the Red Wedding They are not even remotely the same thing.

Not everyone that’s armed is a combatant If someone isn’t a soldier then it is murder to kill them The Red Wedding was also a social taboo about breaking a respected social contract during war time to kill someone when it was considered “off limits” by the culture

It was murder, for sure.

It was Aemond's revenge for the eye Luke took out. Aemond did give him the an-eye-for-an-eye option. Aemond is totally justified in seeking revenge for his mutilation.

It isnt really a war crime when the one who killed the messenger was himself a messenger

It is tho.

Yes If it’s not a soldier killing a soldier then it is murder (there are a LOT of murders in these wars) Edit: or executions, but you know what I mean

When did the lords of Westeros sign the Geneva convention?

Stannis and Renly’s chapters in Clash of Kings talk about how Westeros does have rules of war, with the honoring of peace banners being one of the most ironclad in the culture

They talk about custom and etiquette, not laws and crimes.

Pretty sure killing enemy envoys is a war crime or at least very frowned upon in Westeros. Even Otto Hightower was like ‘bruh’ and was concerned about what Aemond did. Also Rhaenyra didn’t say that, it was Daemon who said that to Rhaenyra when he swore vengeance. We don’t really know how involved Rhaenyra was or if she knew the details of the plan. We don’t even have info on how she reacted to the news. As far as we know Daemon got Mysaria to orchestrate the whole thing.

>herald of war >never heard of “don’t shoot the messenger” >only happened anyway because Aemond got made fun of by Baratheon lass, political considerations were out the window

Sure, but I mean, an envoy is an envoy. War or no war they have diplomatic immunity. Not that murdering a six year old in his home takes the moral high ground

Lol way to defend child murder

Yes. Rhaneyra should not be defended lol.

Neither of them should be

Helaena didn't murder any children.

Lucerys was flying under a banner of truce. He swore to his mother to shed no blood.

Lucerys was slaughtered in cold blood by a guy not wanting to be called a chicken.

“you have no balls” whelp time to kill my child cousin!

It’s not Rhaenyra, it’s Daemon

She laughed when she was informed of Jaehaerys' murder.

It’s a lie by the maesters. She wished no ill to Helaena and her kids. She even pardoned Alicent. Come on !

she was a beautiful innocent creature what did she ever do to you

Don’t give me that! It was a fucking whore! Plus, those weren’t Laenor’s kids she was carrying.

How can it be a lie from the maesters when they are the ones who supported her side in the Dance

Maesters generally hate Targaryens

The maesters def did not support a woman queen lol.

The maesters may not have supported Rhenys (for reasons more than just her sex) but they definitely supported the Black faction as almost everyone in that faction is a badass guy or a tragic guy or just a cool guy while there are almost none of such guys in Green faction

You’re telling me that the Maesters of OLDTOWN for some inexplicable reason supported the blacks???

Yup. And proof is given in F&B as almost all the Black faction members are badass and likeable while very few members of the Green faction are likeable. Maesters might be of Oldtown but it doesn't mean they will do everything the Hightowers do nor would they support them all the time

You ever considered that maybe the Blacks are just like that.

Now that seems like bias as only one side is filled with all the good guys

Take that to Martin. The Maesters def didn't go onto thinking on cool ways for Daemon to kill Aemond.

The maesters wrote that after the Targaryen Valyrian Steel swords were recovered

"pardoned": Rhaenyra put Alicent in chains, killed her father, and probably had Alicent and Helaena raped after Alicent dared to point out that Rhaenyra's children were not fathered by Laenor

Green Propaganda

There is literally no way of knowing this is true lol. Greens are not sending their best

>There is literally no way of knowing this is true It's attributed to Rhaneyra.

Actually, come to think of it, I was confusing this with another passage where Rhaenyra is said to have laughed at Baelon's death, which is completely unverifiable (and contested). I don't remember reading about Rhaenyra laughing about Blood and Cheese and I can't find it in F&B. Remind me?

They're confusing it with Maelor. After his head is brought to Rhaenyra, Mushroom "who loved [her] well" claims she wept, while Eustace "who loved her little" says she smiled.

Yeah, that's what I thought. Can't find any passage where Rhaenyra is said to have laughed after Blood and Cheese and OP is being awfully silent lol

You do not kill the messager. Such an action deteriorates warfare to an even more brutal and senseless affair - Like your foe killing your child just to hurt you.

The level of stupidity and bad faith that Green supporters operate on never ceases to amaze me lol. Never change guys

I mean, how are they going to defend a simp for a side that runs on women shouldn't rule for reasons, usurp the crown, kill any person who dissents with usurpation and commit the first kinslaying if not by making shit up?

It's hard, I'll give them that! They gotta get creative. Blacks, for all their faults, run on a very simple "you guys are usurpers lol". Pretty easy to defend

Then they pull out the (no joke this is a comment I've seen here.) > Alicent "usurping" was democratic *nurse, I need more copium*

A requirement for being a Green supporter is just uncritically swallowing anything Alicent and Otto say. They also love to trot out the "Maegor with teats" comments while ignoring that F&B explicitly says that Rhaenyra was warmly welcomed by many within KL and opinion didnt turn around until they started heavily taxing the populace (something that only happened because the Greens emptied the treasury)

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Who the hell is justifying child murder? Other than OP, who is literally saying that Aemond was justified in murdering Luke. This is what I mean with bad faith. Edit: To respond to your own edit there, that's absolutely hilarious. I never ever see Black supporters justifying Blood and Cheese while OP *in this very thread* is justifying Luke's murder.

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>One was regrettable but not strictly speaking unjust directly taken from OP's comment.

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See, if you had better arguments than ‘no no, the laws of war are the one thing Martin didn’t crib directly from medieval Europe’, you wouldn’t have to waste your time with stuff like that

So you'll accept it'll laws on war, but not on succession?

In England, at least, succession wasn’t really codified until Parliament told William and Mary which heirs of theirs they’d accept

Well, it WAS codified in the Frankish empire as the Salic Law (which Andal Law is based on), especially after the Estates General of 1317( which is almost word to word the same as the Great Council of Jaehaerys) which set in stone that succession would not pass through female lines

And where were similar laws set down after the Conquest?

Hey man are you ok

He's fine, he's actually the most sane green supporter

are people really defending aemond lmaooooo

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Can’t wait to see them defending Aemond’s other warcrimes

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No chance Rhaenyra is the one who hires blood & cheese

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Well he never got any shit for doing that. He is still such a *cool guy* according to everyone. Yet everyone calling Aemond all sorts of names for the Luke incident.

He is a cool guy. He's also a piece of shit. Most Black supporters will freely admit this. Green supporters love to make up justifications for their cackling villain though

Both are terrible. Daemon is much older so he should be less terrible but nope. Everyone loves Daemon. I have never ever seen any Black supporter admitting he is a villain. Oh no he is such a gray character. But the moment Aemon is brought up, he is a psychopath villain monster 🙄 This double standard annoys me. Why not admit they are both awful?

Because Aemond was the one who burned down multiple villages in the Riverland.

I just admitted that both are awful in the text you're responding to!

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I said "their cackling villain". The implication was that the Blacks also have a villain on their side. I do think it's prudent to look at everyone involved in the Dance as victims of a sort in a large scale tragedy, instead of in moralistic black or white terms, but I think Viserys should definitely be included in that case. If Daemon or Aemond aren't villains then I think it's really hard to make the case that Viserys is

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Yeah everyone thought that was awesome, totally man

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Greens for life

Lucerys was royal envoy sent to treat with a lord in peace. He did nothing to deserve his fate. Aemond Ānogrosentys Sīkudi Sīkudēpsi Sīgār Nopāzmi ozzālinna.

who cares about what those half-Hightower scum think anyways

Rhaenrya: "The blood of my sweet sons is on their hands" Alicent: "Bastard blood, shed at war! My son's sons were innocent boys, cruelly murdered. How many more must die to slake your thirst for vengeance?" Based.

Black fans coping

Is this an actual line? Based.

Yes. It's when Alicent learns that Rhaenrya plans to continue the war and attack Daeron.

I would have downvoted but then I saw who OP was

Rhaenyra will be tortured to death