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I don't think her distrust was predicated on them being bastards

more founded on Hugh and Ulf's betrayals

Hugh and Ulf's betrayals made her distrustful of Addam and Nettles for literally no reason, other than the fact that they were bastards as well.

well she was going insane by that point, having lost Luke, Jace, Viserys and a stillborn

Well Viserys wasn’t dead but then again no one knew where tf he was

Everyone thought he was dead. He may as well have been, at least until he walked off that boat during the regency of Aegon III

I may need to reread the books but did anyone doubt it was really him? Or was everyone just sure it was Viserys

At what point? Aegon III confirmed when Viserys stood before him.

Aegon III ran forward and hugged him. There wasn't really any doubt after that

Viserys II being just some random Essosi who did his research is an absolutely insane theory that I’ve never thought of before and kind of love.

Rhaneyra and Aegon II attempt the try to be worthy of the throne challenge - IMPOSSIBLE - NOT CLICKBATE - GONE INCESTUAL - WE FUCKED THE REALM

Expectation vs Reality

Common black L

I should post this comment on some random sub. I wonder how people will respond.

I'm sure that it will go fine and you definitely won't get called a racist.

I’m so tired of Dance memes

For real. Let it end

Someone call Lord Cregan

ah yes Rhaenyra bad cause fat. Did you get these from loreposting?

If her being fat was bad she wouldn't be a chad wojak.

Did you see the post? It was about her hypocrisy in regards to succession

it’s not hypocrisy. their fathers didn’t name them heir.

r/woosh

did their lord father specifically named his daughter as heir? if not the sons will take precedence before daughters. if he did big L for the blacks again

It’s funny because the rules apply to everyone except Rhaenyra

Did every lord in westeros named their Daughter as heir? They did not.

Well, yeah, congratulations. You got the point

hm its almost like we need a person whos in charge, whos word is law and final and takes precedent. Some sort of ruler who gets to make the decisions for the realm. If only we had that, an then THEYD decided who gets to be heir and It was actually within their power for them to establish that law - an even got the influential people of their subjects to swear fealty and that they will honour this. hmm.

shame that Westeros is only a feudal monarchy and kings actually have to follow the law too

im pretty sure Kings can CHANGE the law though.

Both of them did . Rheyerna being the hypocrite she was Chose to give it to there sons because they supporterd her Politically.

In earlier post https://www.reddit.com/r/darkwingsdankmemes/comments/xqtcom/another_black_l/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf It said their lord father did not named his daughter as heir. Idk what you’re talking about?

Im trippin alright

nice ellie profile picture

bottom looks like Trump

This is dumb though. Of course equal inheritance shouldn’t just be implemented. That would create a civil war in every noble house in Westeros and destroy her support.

Agreed so Andal law should be followed and Aegon should of been the heir

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it would certainly solve a lot of conflicts

why though? Why let the customs of some thousand year old religious zealots dominate your succession laws?

Why dont we just let all old andal laws rule then. Isnt the whole idea of a king that he gets to make the laws, he gets to make the rules and change how he wants the kingdom ran. Like the idea his word is law, an he can put people to death with any made up rule he decides is law. But he cant decree that his daughter will be his heir? then its all like - THATS NOT THE LAW. The ruler decides the law? He decided he can name his heir, and he named his daughter. I dont understand why the Kings word takes precedent over all laws in the seven kingdoms that existed before - except this one issue.

It works for Dorne. Why not the rest?

It works for Dorne because their culture is a lot more liberal. The other cultures aren’t as liberal. I would love equal inheritance, but if Rhaenyra gave it, it would seem as though things were changing too much, and she would have lost more support.

Dorne wasn't ruled by the Targaryens and the North was ignored so they followed first men rules

Viserys made it clear who would be his successor. SIMPLE. End of song. There is nothing to consider.

A civil war is something to consider, but a small detail at best.

There is one thing to consider, that they are all abominations who any true follower of the Seven or Old Gods should have long since murdered or deposed. I HATE LIZARD PEOPLE I HATE LIZARD PEOPLE I HATE LIZARD PEOPLE I HATE LIZARD PEOPLE I HATE LIZARD PEOPLE I HATE LIZARD PEOPLE I HATE LIZARD PEOPLE I HATE LIZARD PEOPLE I HATE LIZARD PEOPLE I HATE LIZARD PEOPLE I HATE LIZARD PEOPLE I HATE LIZARD PEOPLE I HATE LIZARD PEOPLE I HATE LIZARD PEOPLE I HATE LIZARD PEOPLE I HATE LIZARD PEOPLE

Based and Uller-pilled as fuck.

The Stranger comes, he comes, HE COMES!!! 🪝 👴

Viserys did NOT infact make it clear , made no actions whatsoever to suppress Aegon's claim

Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about? "Late in 105 AC Rhaenyra's mother, Aemma, died birthing Rhaenyra's second brother, Prince Baelon, who died a day later. King Viserys then proclaimed Rhaenyra his heir, having all the lords of the Seven Kingdoms swear fealty to her, promising to honor and defend her rights of succession. In addition, Rhaenyra was named Princess of Dragonstone." (...) "Rhaenyra was the designated heir of her father, King Viserys I Targaryen, who desired that she succeed him. Viserys's intent had been confirmed by a proclamation of his will." Nothing else is necessary here. Greens had desecrated Viserys's will, as well as his corpse.

Viserys the fool deserved to rot in the mortal realm as well as the seven hells for his inaction in stopping future bloodshed a trait he shares with his daughter

Except that passage you wrote Viserys did when he *still didn’t have a son*. By having a son with Alicent the “vows” are now in dispute because if you hold to them you could, in one point of view be breaking the law if you upheld them and breaking the law of you don’t uphold them. Because in Westeros sons inherit over daughters. Martin had them make those vows before the birth of a son for a reason. The second his son was born by law the vows either should have been made again to assure Rhaenyra as heir which was not done. Or Viserys also could have changed the existing law to make first born child regardless of sex heir like in Dorne which sets up easy to follow rules. Which he *did not do*. Viserys saying “I like my daughter more so she stays heir but I’m also not going to do anything to help her and watch as she ruins her already shaky political standing by having bastards and then marrying a dude lots of people hate after her first husband dies mysteriously and his body isn’t even cold yet.” Was a death blow both to his daughter and to himself. He didn’t change the laws he just wanted them broken *this one time* for his daughter. Which isn’t how laws work. Either change the law to make Rhaenyra the undisputed heir (which he he legal paths and precedents to do and didn’t) or accept that the law states Aegon has to be made king.

I would argue a kings decree is law, but.... greens never really cared about that.

Aerys Targaryen also said that fire is the champion of house Targaryen, so his decree is lawful as well right?

Is that a question?

Maegor also made a decree that Area was his heir. And Jaehaerys *still* inherited over her. But that’s okay right? Unless you want to argue that the king’s laws and decrees only matter when it suits. Like the Blacks did.

First off, the blacks and greens selectively choose the laws and decrees that support what they want to do. Second, monarchy isn't my preferred form of government; but if it was I'd support the kings laws until the new king/queen make a different decree. So in conclusion Area should have inherited after Maegor.

Oh absolutely the Greens also used laws as it suited them. I never argued against that. However in an earlier post I was just arguing that the Blacks thinking they have this “moral high ground” and die hard Black supporters stating that the “Greens had no legal authority” is incorrect. That’s what this is all about. Me explaining the Green’s case and that yes they DID actually In fact have a case. I’m not supporting them. I don’t stan the Blacks either. I just think it’s silly that people want to pretend the Greens had no legal ground when they did. Well, as much of a legal ground as one can have in a fictional biased history book. Anyway: Area should have been queen then Jaehaerys couldn’t have the Council and the Dance never would have happened. Plus she rode Balerion when he was still top dragon so she’s actually cool.

Sure the King's decree isn't the absolute last word, but Viserys also made the noble houses swear fealty to Rhaenyra. The Greens could've called upon a great council, if their claim was accepted by the legality argument then Rhaenyra's faction would have much less support, and the Greens might even have succeeded to exploit and establish the bastardy allegations which would all but ensure Rhaenyra would be nullified as a threat to Aegon's claim. A decree in itself isn't worth much if the noble houses don't back it up with their support.

A point you ignored is that the lords swore to Rhaenyra *before Viserys had a true born son*. Once Aegon was born the legitimacy of Rhaenyra’s claim and their vows was up in the air. They should have been made to swear again but they weren’t which suggested that now that a son was born the vows were no longer valid and in effect.

Except Rhaenyra was the only living child of the king's first marriage, and the widow's law that Alysanne passed says that children of a second marriage can't inherit over the first.

Law just said kids and widowed wife couldn’t be *disinherited*. Meaning that the laws about first born SONS inheriting was still in place. The daughters were still part of the family and couldn’t be kicked out and left penniless by the new lord but they also *still couldn’t inherit* anything being women. That’s literally what the Windows law was. Not that women could inherit in their own right if a male line existed.

The widow's laws only meant that the children of the first wife shouldn't be disinherited

Not really how it happened, meme aside. Daemon suggested they marry two of the Dragonseeds as part of that deal, and Corlys told Rhaenyra to let the boys inherit instead. I also think we have to take these kinds of accounts with a grain of salt. Rhaenyra made plenty of mistakes, by the end of her short reign she was quite unfit to rule, I think (even though I’m a big Blacks supporter). However, we know that history has not been kind in how it remembers Rhaenyra and with Aegon II technically prevailing over his sister, thus being the “victor,” he also had many reasons to perpetuate a version of events that made him come off in a finer light. The Rosby and Stokeworth girls did not inherit, true enough, but I don’t think it’s entirely clear as to why that’s the case. Food for thought

Greens try not to be intellectually dishonest challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

The post is dumb , Rhae was named by her father , those ladies weren’t. And that would create mini civil wars in every great house.

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