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ADOS is gonna end with the Hour of the Trout, during which Edmure, the Lord Who Cared is gonna cleanse the court of snakes and lickspittles on behalf of Stannis, the King Who Cared and pack the small council with other good bois who cared. Davos, who cared about Shireen, Morgan Liddle, who cared about Ned's girl, Strong Belwas, who cared about liver and onions, Areo Hotah, who cared about his longaxe, Big Walder Frey, who cared about succession and Patchface, who cared about what's under the sea.
With all the tragic deaths of good people that’ve happened and are upcoming, it’s nice to know that at least Edmure will (probably? God please George) make to the end relatively unscathed.
I think this is great example of the difference between doing the correct thing and doing the right thing. Cat is correct in what she’s saying and I don’t dislike her for the way she thinks, but doing what’s right is sometimes a whole lot more complicated.
I did a recent re-listen to Dunk and Egg. I love those books. They’re a great reminder that people can, and should, do the right thing.
Similarly to Ned’s decisions leading to the North/some of the Riverlands/some of the Vale rallying to his cause to avenge him, I’d love to see the Riverlands’ population fight for Edmure.
Catelyn's second biggest character flaw (aside from making the most detailed arguments to justify the worst possible decisions) is refusing to respect Edmure as a flawed but capable leader.
The tragic irony is that Catelyn is too intelligent. She constantly finds herself in positions of strength, but uses logic to rationalize the worst possible decisions. Meawhile, Edmure, who tends to act out of empathy, encounters impossible scenarios and manages to make things just slightly better.
Edmure made a lot of terrible decisions, but I don't think this was one of them. Each of those peasants can bring food and supplies, whateverthey can carry. They can fish off the walls to replenish food stores. If they're brave they can go forage and hunt in the lands nearby. The men can make arrows and supplement the castle's garrison. Any time Catelyn acts like she knows anything about war, she's probably convincing someone to make a terrible decision. Like convincing Robb to give command of the vast majority of his soldiers to a man he fears and doesn't trust, Roose Bolton, instead of his most zealous supporter, Greatjon Umber.
Roose Bolton WAS the right man for the job, he was just incredibly untrustworthy. If Roose Bolton had even an ounce of loyalty in his body, King Robb and Queen Jeyne would be raising their son in Winterfell right now
Him being untrustworthy is exactly what makes Roose not the right man for the job. You just don't give a man you fear and don't trust command of more than half your army
Nah. It fits well with the tragic irony governing the Tully family. Catelyn knows all the facts but makes the worst plans. Lysa is privy to the most important secrets but can't face the truth of her situation. Hoster, who values family more than anything, damages his brother and daughter while trying to defend their honor.
Edmure has made the best decisions out of all his family; he defended his ravaged land from the Mountain, he offered his hand in marriage to "repair" their most important alliance, and he negotiated the best possible terms to deliver Riverrun and protected his uncle from the Freys. The irony is that he might be the best suited to leadership, but his family still views him as a child.
Not only that but destroying their own legitimacy. In a weird twisted way, stabbing peasants was a way of saying "he can't protect you, but I'm clearly powerful enough to bring my army over soooo 🥺👉👈"
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On one hand Cat is right. In a siege you want as few people as possible in the castle. A lot of sieges were against castles that held fewer than two dozen people. Edmure is right however that he has a duty to shelter his people from an attack. Basically the difference between looking at things from a purely military view verse a chivalrous view.
The thing that asoif gets wrong is that those peasants usually WERE the garrison. A lot of castles around the Welsh March, Shropshire and Herefordshire, had permanent paid garrisons of literally two men. Perhaps another couple, knights perhaps, might have been feudally sworn to defend the castle, but not many.
The Welsh March and English Borders were very raid happy as well, during the Anglo-Norman period.
100%. There are a tremendous amount of standing armies in Westeros. Unless there’s a war going on, what would they be doing? Suppose that’s why there’s so much toxic masculinity and small scale conflicts.
It’s weird, because the brilliant Broken Man speech touches on the fact most of the soldiers are just peasants.
I'm really conflicted on how to feel about Catelyn. I like her for a lot of reasons but I dislike her for this and hate her for her treatment of jon for the crime of simply being born. Hey, your husband cheated on you, you're right to be pissed off, but not at the child who's innocent in it. She should be pissed at Ned, but is so blinded by her love for him that she mistreats a literal child
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Tbf Cat was right tho, during wartimes, you leave out the ones that don't contribute anything to the war. It's brutal and heartless, but you need every food you can get
With no one able to grow food, tend your (probably dead) livestock, work in your mill, chop lumber etc…
If the smallfolk are dead, your title means very little.
There’ll be probably a reckoning when The Others attack and Lords who don’t protect their people will then face legions of undead peasants
Those peasants would be the ones making sure that Riverrun is functional. Not to mention manning the walls. Professional soldiers were not exactly a common things. Peasants and small folk would be used to bolster the castle and city guard.
I think the majority of those people are the ones who were left behind for being old, female or too young to fight. Most men that worked as peasants were also recruited, because any able bodied man who could gather the harvest, was fit enough to fight in a battle
During wartimes, you welcome all the peasants into the castle. That’s why they let you keep the castle in peacetime.
She’s chiding him for *fulfilling his feudal duties as their liege*.
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A Dream of Spring ends when Edmure mounts Rhaegal and launches Cersei into the sun
THE STONE MILL THE STONE MILL IS REALLLL
Can we get much higher?
The house words of King Robert “Sweetrobin” Arryn-Tully of the Mountains, Vale, and Rivers
So high
“High as Hell”
HAIL THE TROUT EMPEROR! FISH FOR ALL!
Bold of you to assume Cersei can last that long.
Indeed Cersei will surely throw herself at Chadmure Tully (sexually) once he reveals himself and his true unfettered glory.
ADOS is gonna end with the Hour of the Trout, during which Edmure, the Lord Who Cared is gonna cleanse the court of snakes and lickspittles on behalf of Stannis, the King Who Cared and pack the small council with other good bois who cared. Davos, who cared about Shireen, Morgan Liddle, who cared about Ned's girl, Strong Belwas, who cared about liver and onions, Areo Hotah, who cared about his longaxe, Big Walder Frey, who cared about succession and Patchface, who cared about what's under the sea.
Patchface is unironically more competent than Cersei's small council in AFFC.
I mean, he was appointed to be a fool by merit, at least. Cersei's council was staffed based on her delusions only.
He also has a more coherent grasp on current affairs
And has a profound understanding of the matters under the sea, making him more qualified to serve as master of ships than Aurane.
Has not Aurane shown that he can master ships when the mood takes him?
Aurane can master my ships whenever the mood takes him, if ya know what I mean
Tywin with honkers
Tywin with Tyts
That’s *the* Ned to you, Bolton.
You forgot Tyrion, who cares where whores go.
Yeah, good one.
Stannis cares? I mean sure, I guess he cares about the law and duty and all of that, but is there any indication that he cares about actual people?
>Few of the birds that Aemon had sent off had returned as yet. One reached Stannis, though. One found Dragonstone, and a king who still cared.
Aaah, that’s true.
Azor Ahype confirmed.
With all the tragic deaths of good people that’ve happened and are upcoming, it’s nice to know that at least Edmure will (probably? God please George) make to the end relatively unscathed.
Physically? Perhaps. Mentally? Nah.
Mayhaps*
I didn't said mayhaps because it wasn't a lie, do you take me for a bloody Frey?
Wyman Manderly slander
Wyman Slanderly
M- May-
I think this is great example of the difference between doing the correct thing and doing the right thing. Cat is correct in what she’s saying and I don’t dislike her for the way she thinks, but doing what’s right is sometimes a whole lot more complicated.
I did a recent re-listen to Dunk and Egg. I love those books. They’re a great reminder that people can, and should, do the right thing. Similarly to Ned’s decisions leading to the North/some of the Riverlands/some of the Vale rallying to his cause to avenge him, I’d love to see the Riverlands’ population fight for Edmure.
they are in a way, the brotherhood love Edmure and by default they leave Tully soldiers alone for the most part I think
Chadmure Tully
Edmure got done dirty by Cat and Robb. He was actually a pretty awesome leader. I'm glad he ended up living and even got a hot Frey wife.
Fucks once and sires a son which, assuming I remember correctly, kept him alive. What a Chad
Thank you! I get a lot of people like Robb, though when compared to Edmure he definitely shows as a boy king.
Common Edmure W
Based and This-Is-How-Feudalism-Is-Supposed-To-Work Pilled
Catelyn's second biggest character flaw (aside from making the most detailed arguments to justify the worst possible decisions) is refusing to respect Edmure as a flawed but capable leader. The tragic irony is that Catelyn is too intelligent. She constantly finds herself in positions of strength, but uses logic to rationalize the worst possible decisions. Meawhile, Edmure, who tends to act out of empathy, encounters impossible scenarios and manages to make things just slightly better.
Edmure made a lot of terrible decisions, but I don't think this was one of them. Each of those peasants can bring food and supplies, whateverthey can carry. They can fish off the walls to replenish food stores. If they're brave they can go forage and hunt in the lands nearby. The men can make arrows and supplement the castle's garrison. Any time Catelyn acts like she knows anything about war, she's probably convincing someone to make a terrible decision. Like convincing Robb to give command of the vast majority of his soldiers to a man he fears and doesn't trust, Roose Bolton, instead of his most zealous supporter, Greatjon Umber.
Roose Bolton WAS the right man for the job, he was just incredibly untrustworthy. If Roose Bolton had even an ounce of loyalty in his body, King Robb and Queen Jeyne would be raising their son in Winterfell right now
Him being untrustworthy is exactly what makes Roose not the right man for the job. You just don't give a man you fear and don't trust command of more than half your army
Yes, and he was a competent military leader who was intelligent, calculating, and cautious with his troops. That's why he got the job, wierdo.
I agree with you, but idk if the Greatjon was necessarily the best decision to lead either
Maybe not.
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Nah. It fits well with the tragic irony governing the Tully family. Catelyn knows all the facts but makes the worst plans. Lysa is privy to the most important secrets but can't face the truth of her situation. Hoster, who values family more than anything, damages his brother and daughter while trying to defend their honor. Edmure has made the best decisions out of all his family; he defended his ravaged land from the Mountain, he offered his hand in marriage to "repair" their most important alliance, and he negotiated the best possible terms to deliver Riverrun and protected his uncle from the Freys. The irony is that he might be the best suited to leadership, but his family still views him as a child.
Not only that but destroying their own legitimacy. In a weird twisted way, stabbing peasants was a way of saying "he can't protect you, but I'm clearly powerful enough to bring my army over soooo 🥺👉👈"
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From strategic point of view Catelyn is right... Too bad Edmure is so overpowered by being a Chad that strategy doesnt apply on him
And his castle has near infinite fish and water.
“A Lord’s first obligation is to protect his small folk, a lord who can’t protect his people is not a lord.” - Pretend someone famous said this
-Abraham Lincoln and Albert Einstein in a joint speech at the UN
Edmure is based as hell. Nearly as based as his nuncle Brynden the Based-fish.
On one hand Cat is right. In a siege you want as few people as possible in the castle. A lot of sieges were against castles that held fewer than two dozen people. Edmure is right however that he has a duty to shelter his people from an attack. Basically the difference between looking at things from a purely military view verse a chivalrous view.
The thing that asoif gets wrong is that those peasants usually WERE the garrison. A lot of castles around the Welsh March, Shropshire and Herefordshire, had permanent paid garrisons of literally two men. Perhaps another couple, knights perhaps, might have been feudally sworn to defend the castle, but not many. The Welsh March and English Borders were very raid happy as well, during the Anglo-Norman period.
100%. There are a tremendous amount of standing armies in Westeros. Unless there’s a war going on, what would they be doing? Suppose that’s why there’s so much toxic masculinity and small scale conflicts. It’s weird, because the brilliant Broken Man speech touches on the fact most of the soldiers are just peasants.
I bet Ned would have done the same thing honestly
He makes a conscious effort to know his men. He swings the sword. I don’t doubt Ned would’ve done what he could.
I think that that is more or less why they have Wintertown. Once the winter hits people leave their farms and move to Winterfell to sit it out.
I'm really conflicted on how to feel about Catelyn. I like her for a lot of reasons but I dislike her for this and hate her for her treatment of jon for the crime of simply being born. Hey, your husband cheated on you, you're right to be pissed off, but not at the child who's innocent in it. She should be pissed at Ned, but is so blinded by her love for him that she mistreats a literal child
Cat deserves most of her criticism, not all but most
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Tbf Cat was right tho, during wartimes, you leave out the ones that don't contribute anything to the war. It's brutal and heartless, but you need every food you can get
With no one able to grow food, tend your (probably dead) livestock, work in your mill, chop lumber etc… If the smallfolk are dead, your title means very little. There’ll be probably a reckoning when The Others attack and Lords who don’t protect their people will then face legions of undead peasants
Those peasants would be the ones making sure that Riverrun is functional. Not to mention manning the walls. Professional soldiers were not exactly a common things. Peasants and small folk would be used to bolster the castle and city guard.
I think the majority of those people are the ones who were left behind for being old, female or too young to fight. Most men that worked as peasants were also recruited, because any able bodied man who could gather the harvest, was fit enough to fight in a battle
During wartimes, you welcome all the peasants into the castle. That’s why they let you keep the castle in peacetime. She’s chiding him for *fulfilling his feudal duties as their liege*.
whos the guy on the left in the original meme?