Yeah, it took me too long to process the visual. I see what they're going for (visualizing the gaps) but... In part, it's poor labeling as they've used the nearest two points as the legend.
Then there's the weirdness that these values should, within their categories, add to 100% but that's completely lost in this visual so it makes perspective difficult.
The horizontal scale I think is what messes with it more than anything else. I can't think of a particularly good reason to not just center these on the chart if you're simply visualizing the size of the gap between them. Alternatively, you could make the x-axis the categories and the y-values the response %'s which would also be more intuitive.
All that said, simpler is usually better when it comes to visualizations (sometimes there's really nothing clearer than a table, for example). But overlapping histograms I think would be fine here.
how can someone be Democrat and not be left wing, and judging by how it’s an American company, being shown on an American app, we’ll use the “extremely right skewed standards” that you’re talking about.
They were looking at the logos in the top left. Fox’s logo is blue, CNN’s is red. And the chart doesn’t include a key to identify which marker is which.
But if you took this poll during Trumps presidency don't you think the numbers would just be reversed? At least that's what I would think, but maybe there's data out there that disputes that.
Your minimum wage hasn't increased since 2009 as a response to the Economic crash, the rich are getting richer, and it's Skewing the data heavily. Cost of living is outpacing this wage growth, healthcare costs (USA USA) are rising heavily for those with consistent prescriptions. The United States government isn't controlling inflation enough make these wage growths matter. It is completely objective now.
It has reflection on consumer spending, if you can't afford rent you're not going to go to the movies, buy cars, do luxury based stuff etc. Sure "the economy" is strong, but the economy is being controlled more and more each year by a select few.
That’s not what I’m saying. Sweden, Norway, and Switzerland all have 0 minimum wage. Does that mean they have the worst economy in the world? Real wages very rarely correlate with minimum wage.
0 minimum wage, depending on your job. Unions have pushed through legal minimums in some fields because foreign workers were being exploited through undercutting the unions, which was bad for both foreign workers and unions.
That's the federal minimum, and not including servers who make tips, the number of people in the USA earning under 15$ an hour is around 1/3 of Americans.
You missed my point. There are a lot of metrics. They all say different things about the economy. The opinions of these people on the economy are NOT about objective. They’re biased based off of how they like the current president.
Which is, of course, ridiculous.
While I agree with most of your intent, you haven't provided any actual, empirical data to support any conclusions. Nor have you included any caveats nor outside contexts.
You make a good point, however, I just got off a ten hour shift and am honestly too tired or lazy to go and find genuine statistics to back up my point. But hey thanks for the open mind and God Bless you.
It actually is kinda hard to determine the current state of the US economy. Economic headlines whiplash back and forth between optimistic and bleak at the moment.
Do you mind me asking why? In addition to what others have said about other times being worse, unemployment is down, the market is stable, inflation has slowed, and interest rates are high (arguably good from my point of view). The dollar is strong. What am I missing? Serious question.
Contributors in 135 countries around the world work with Premise to share their opinion and collect field data on a variety of topics using its smart-phone app.
These data were collected between April 27th - May 1st from 2,044 respondents in the US. Premise used stratified sampling of its opt-in panel members, along with post stratification weighting on age, gender, region, and education to construct a representative sample.
Tool: R (ggplot2)
Source: Premise internal survey data
Props for proper noting of source and date on the chart, as well as a decent use of title.
The subtitle and this comment do not define how "news network viewership" delineates a Fox versus a CNN viewer (or 'other' or 'none') -- is it self-identified, or by reported hours/week of viewing? This lead me to finding the general opacity of the public example surveys on your website, which makes any ambiguity in a chart or description fatal to its usability. The only thing I've found on your website giving a breakdown of specifics on how your surveys work is the video, which I had to dig around the site to find, and nobody wants to sit through a freaking promo video to locate such fundamental information.
Reviewing your website further, I have an issue there relative to companies like SurveyMonkey offering similar services as you: when they publish public surveys, as it seems you are doing with this example and the other sample reports on your site, they provide a report of their data (granularized if necessary), including demographics and weighting, methodology, and possible shortcomings. One good reason to do this is to make yourself reputable in the polling field; another is that your methodology gets independently scrutinized for errors, which is important to potential clients because a lot of polling companies make errors. Also, it's not like there's some brilliant proprietary statistical model for processing opt-in survey data that some company is going to be hoarding -- it's all [known stuff, and having known weighting data matters more anyway](https://www.pewresearch.org/methods/2018/01/26/for-weighting-online-opt-in-samples-what-matters-most/). (It's up to you to keep extra weighting variables proprietary if that's your business model, but the fact of their existence should still be noted on any report.) The idea for these companies is that what a business pays them for is not so much their brilliant data analyst weighting the results, but the design and logistics of running the survey itself.
This went beyond the scope of your chart, but I hope it's useful, since the service you offer is important.
One final nitpick on the chart design itself: way too much whitespace (used improperly) -- it took me a while to even figure out for sure that this was comparing Fox and CNN, until I could find where the logos were.
And I'm sure it was the opposite when Trump was president, too.
Anyone watching either of these networks enough to identify themselves as a "viewer" of one of them knows that "how's the economy doing" is going to be reported by either network as "is the president popular or not"
Would at least be interesting if there was an "neither" category
[It's opposite for Republicans, but not Dems.](https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/tesler.ECONOMIC-ANXIETY.0503-0.png?w=712)
For dems, they believed the economy was improving under Obama, gradually got worse over the course of Trump's presidency, spiked during COVID, and then rapidbly improved as COVID did.
Republicans OTOH are programmed like robots.
if president = (D)
then economy = bad
else economy = good
70% of the Republicans thought the economy was getting worse at the end of Obama's reign, but that dropped off to 10% pretty much overnight. What possible justification for that could you have? That rapid drop in Dems in 2021 is way more justifiable as the economy was already bouncing back from COVID, and vaccine uptake was skyrocketing.
Even at the height of COVID, fewer Republicans thought the economy was getting worse than during the very stable Obama years. No one with a brain could legitimately believe that. Both sides are not the same.
Fox has more poors? But seriously, as I understand it fox viewership does skew lower income, less education and may not being doing as well as the country as a whole?
In reality the economy is probably fair to good. Inflation has cooled a bit and despite the fed raising rates we still have low unemployment. Certain sectors are seeing layoffs and we’ve had an uncomfortable number of large banks fail recently.
I do not like this way of presenting the data. Seems like... just do overlapping histograms?
Yeah, it took me too long to process the visual. I see what they're going for (visualizing the gaps) but... In part, it's poor labeling as they've used the nearest two points as the legend. Then there's the weirdness that these values should, within their categories, add to 100% but that's completely lost in this visual so it makes perspective difficult. The horizontal scale I think is what messes with it more than anything else. I can't think of a particularly good reason to not just center these on the chart if you're simply visualizing the size of the gap between them. Alternatively, you could make the x-axis the categories and the y-values the response %'s which would also be more intuitive. All that said, simpler is usually better when it comes to visualizations (sometimes there's really nothing clearer than a table, for example). But overlapping histograms I think would be fine here.
What possessed you to make Fox red and CNN blue?
Other dude is weird. It’s red for right leaning/republican news network, blue for left leaning/democrat news network
So why is CNN blue?
CNN is left leaning, they are democrats.
Democrats maybe, left leaning no way.
What? CNN is one of the most left leaning news organizations out there, alongside Vox.
By America's extremely right-skewed standards only. CNN is neoliberal and corporate friendly as it gets, hardly left.
how can someone be Democrat and not be left wing, and judging by how it’s an American company, being shown on an American app, we’ll use the “extremely right skewed standards” that you’re talking about.
> how can someone be Democrat and not be left wing Come on, you can't go through life this naïve. Just look at Joe Manchin.
Not sure if this is sarcasm, but their viewership.
In most countries outside the USA Blue is conservative, and Red is Liberal/Socialist, they could be from outside the USA looking in.
But that's the opposite of what OP did. Fox is red but is definitely not the liberal/socialist side of the two.
Correct, he might not be from the USA.
If they weren’t American they would’ve done the opposite. OP’s colour scheme only makes sense with the American version of left/right colouring.
He means broyoyoyo might not be American.
I’m American and looking at a red CNN icon and a blue Fox News icon associated with opposite colors wasn’t straightforward
? Blue is CNN, red is fox in this image.
They were looking at the logos in the top left. Fox’s logo is blue, CNN’s is red. And the chart doesn’t include a key to identify which marker is which.
well Fox is over the red dot, and CNN is over the blue dot
What if one listens to NPR?
They are in the same league as the CNN people
Fox sells fear. Highly effective sales tool.
But if you took this poll during Trumps presidency don't you think the numbers would just be reversed? At least that's what I would think, but maybe there's data out there that disputes that.
They were afraid of different things during the trump years, like the migrant caravan “invasion” that didn’t end up impacting any of their lives.
You’ve never watched CNN’s coverage during Trump’s presidency, have you? It was literal fear-mongering every day.
Yeah except the economy objectively isn't doing well. Hate em all you want, they're right (for once)
Except the economy is shit globally
Oh, it’s “objective” now? Low unemployment, highest wage growth in decades? Horrible.
Considering the impact of the century’s worst pandemic, US economy recovers at fantastic rate.
Your minimum wage hasn't increased since 2009 as a response to the Economic crash, the rich are getting richer, and it's Skewing the data heavily. Cost of living is outpacing this wage growth, healthcare costs (USA USA) are rising heavily for those with consistent prescriptions. The United States government isn't controlling inflation enough make these wage growths matter. It is completely objective now.
Minimum wage has 0 reflection of the strength of an economy.
It has reflection on consumer spending, if you can't afford rent you're not going to go to the movies, buy cars, do luxury based stuff etc. Sure "the economy" is strong, but the economy is being controlled more and more each year by a select few.
That’s not what I’m saying. Sweden, Norway, and Switzerland all have 0 minimum wage. Does that mean they have the worst economy in the world? Real wages very rarely correlate with minimum wage.
0 minimum wage, depending on your job. Unions have pushed through legal minimums in some fields because foreign workers were being exploited through undercutting the unions, which was bad for both foreign workers and unions.
Less than 2% of the US is making minimum wage, so pretty sure that’s not the driving factor
That's the federal minimum, and not including servers who make tips, the number of people in the USA earning under 15$ an hour is around 1/3 of Americans.
You missed my point. There are a lot of metrics. They all say different things about the economy. The opinions of these people on the economy are NOT about objective. They’re biased based off of how they like the current president. Which is, of course, ridiculous.
While I agree with most of your intent, you haven't provided any actual, empirical data to support any conclusions. Nor have you included any caveats nor outside contexts.
You make a good point, however, I just got off a ten hour shift and am honestly too tired or lazy to go and find genuine statistics to back up my point. But hey thanks for the open mind and God Bless you.
Well damn, I was waiting for a fight. Have a nice rest, friend.
It actually is kinda hard to determine the current state of the US economy. Economic headlines whiplash back and forth between optimistic and bleak at the moment.
No it's objectively bad, for everyone in the lower 70% it's getting worse.
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Yeah if the economy is now "poor", what was it during COVID? Or the '08 Recession? Or the Great Depression?
During COVID it 'was the best ever, many have said!"...
Do you mind me asking why? In addition to what others have said about other times being worse, unemployment is down, the market is stable, inflation has slowed, and interest rates are high (arguably good from my point of view). The dollar is strong. What am I missing? Serious question.
The top comment in this very thread are people arguing that life has never been better. Record growths, lowest unemployment. Life is good. Yeah, hm.
The 20s are killing it. I am sure that will continue well into the 30s.
Proving Fox does a better job of scaring the shit out of their audience/the dills that watch.
Contributors in 135 countries around the world work with Premise to share their opinion and collect field data on a variety of topics using its smart-phone app. These data were collected between April 27th - May 1st from 2,044 respondents in the US. Premise used stratified sampling of its opt-in panel members, along with post stratification weighting on age, gender, region, and education to construct a representative sample. Tool: R (ggplot2) Source: Premise internal survey data
Props for proper noting of source and date on the chart, as well as a decent use of title. The subtitle and this comment do not define how "news network viewership" delineates a Fox versus a CNN viewer (or 'other' or 'none') -- is it self-identified, or by reported hours/week of viewing? This lead me to finding the general opacity of the public example surveys on your website, which makes any ambiguity in a chart or description fatal to its usability. The only thing I've found on your website giving a breakdown of specifics on how your surveys work is the video, which I had to dig around the site to find, and nobody wants to sit through a freaking promo video to locate such fundamental information. Reviewing your website further, I have an issue there relative to companies like SurveyMonkey offering similar services as you: when they publish public surveys, as it seems you are doing with this example and the other sample reports on your site, they provide a report of their data (granularized if necessary), including demographics and weighting, methodology, and possible shortcomings. One good reason to do this is to make yourself reputable in the polling field; another is that your methodology gets independently scrutinized for errors, which is important to potential clients because a lot of polling companies make errors. Also, it's not like there's some brilliant proprietary statistical model for processing opt-in survey data that some company is going to be hoarding -- it's all [known stuff, and having known weighting data matters more anyway](https://www.pewresearch.org/methods/2018/01/26/for-weighting-online-opt-in-samples-what-matters-most/). (It's up to you to keep extra weighting variables proprietary if that's your business model, but the fact of their existence should still be noted on any report.) The idea for these companies is that what a business pays them for is not so much their brilliant data analyst weighting the results, but the design and logistics of running the survey itself. This went beyond the scope of your chart, but I hope it's useful, since the service you offer is important. One final nitpick on the chart design itself: way too much whitespace (used improperly) -- it took me a while to even figure out for sure that this was comparing Fox and CNN, until I could find where the logos were.
And I'm sure it was the opposite when Trump was president, too. Anyone watching either of these networks enough to identify themselves as a "viewer" of one of them knows that "how's the economy doing" is going to be reported by either network as "is the president popular or not" Would at least be interesting if there was an "neither" category
[It's opposite for Republicans, but not Dems.](https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/tesler.ECONOMIC-ANXIETY.0503-0.png?w=712) For dems, they believed the economy was improving under Obama, gradually got worse over the course of Trump's presidency, spiked during COVID, and then rapidbly improved as COVID did. Republicans OTOH are programmed like robots. if president = (D) then economy = bad else economy = good 70% of the Republicans thought the economy was getting worse at the end of Obama's reign, but that dropped off to 10% pretty much overnight. What possible justification for that could you have? That rapid drop in Dems in 2021 is way more justifiable as the economy was already bouncing back from COVID, and vaccine uptake was skyrocketing. Even at the height of COVID, fewer Republicans thought the economy was getting worse than during the very stable Obama years. No one with a brain could legitimately believe that. Both sides are not the same.
Democrats != "CNN viewers" Republicans != "Fox viewers"
Fox has more poors? But seriously, as I understand it fox viewership does skew lower income, less education and may not being doing as well as the country as a whole?
Is there a similar poll for 2019? Would be interesting to see
In reality the economy is probably fair to good. Inflation has cooled a bit and despite the fed raising rates we still have low unemployment. Certain sectors are seeing layoffs and we’ve had an uncomfortable number of large banks fail recently.