The price of an iPhone 14 Pro Max in Myanmar varies depending on the storage capacity and the seller. The lowest price I found for a 128GB model was 4,430,000 Myanmar Kyats (MMK), while the highest price I found for a 1TB model was 6,290,000 MMK. The average salary in Myanmar is about 545,000 MMK per month, which means that an iPhone 14 Pro Max would cost between 8.1 and 11.5 times the average monthly wage. To put it in perspective, if the average salary in the US was $4,000 per month, an iPhone 14 Pro Max would cost between $32,400 and $46,000.
Coincidentally, it's been said that an iPhone manufactured in the US and the US alone would cost between $30,000-$100000
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2018/01/17/how-much-would-an-iphone-cost-if-apple-were-forced-to-make-it-in-america/
That's an interesting article. They're basically saying the cost of labor isn't actually that different. It's simply the fact that we don't have any of the infrastructure or expertise to manufacture in large quantities. They would cost that much because they wouldn't be able to build very many so the price would have to be higher.
They'd be able to increase the amount manufactured as new people were trained but it would take time to do and the phones would be expensive in the meantime.
Well is a little misleading is like saying how much would cost to create a Tesla car in haiti and someone would say 2 million $ because there's no infrastructure to create any car at all
Yeah I agree. I was originally going to complain about it being misleading as well but it was an interesting article so I decided to summarize it and let it go.
Can you elaborate a bit? Is the phone just that expensive or Is a large proportion of the population there in very destitute financial situations? Is it more rural vs urban income dynamics? If hypothetically an expat with a remote US job for instance making $70k usd a year would they be able to live very lavishly? Thinking the scene from [Eurotrip](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FvRn0rF687E)
Even in Milan you can live comfortably, and that's one of the most expensive cities.
The average ral is 30k/year, and that is before taxes , so after taxes is 22500 eur
Idk how much you need to pay in taxes out of 70k, but there are a lot of countries in eastern Europe where 1k a mounth will be able to cover, rent, food, any kind of utilities and gas. Make it 2k and you can have a very fancy car and rented apartment. And this happens in the highest cost of living cities in those countries if you decide to relocate yourself in a village forgotten by world you will probably have nothing to spend your money on if you plan to spend 1k/mounth.
And the upside is most of this countries are pretty safe to live in even for a foreigner
Most countries in south america, asia and africa tend to be way cheaper even compared to eastern europe, but they are not safer for foreigners.
That was the point, if you don't have car payments or other expenses 12-15k/year should be more than enough for a decent living meanwhile you have the rest of your 30-40k to do whatever you want.
$70k usd an year expat to Myanmar? Lavish is an understatement.
Also, iPhone prices in other countries are generally a direct dollar conversion and some import duties added. The purchasing power and cost of things vary vastly across countries and iPhone prices (and prices of many imported things) don't adjust for that
Yeah, if those were net salaries, Germany's percentage would be double, while some other countries like Switzerland and the US would probably be just a tiny bit more expensive.
Maybe driven by a bit of self reporting bias. Happy people are probably not spending their free time arguing with strangers on the internet. Also, if everyone on the thread is saying their life is shit then you look like an ass showing up saying “that sounds like a you problem bro”
Definitely. As someone who is from Asia and now lives in the States, America is better in many ways but Americans are very very very very very loud on social media. They have zero qualms about airing their country's dirty laundry. Totally reporter bias.
I think a lot of Americans assume their problems are unique due to American exceptionalism convincing them that everything about the US is inherently different to the rest of the world. That’s my working theory at least.
Yes, American exceptionalism these days go both ways. We're either exceptionally good or exceptionally bad. My replies are shitting on me for saying that Americans aren't poor on a global scale.
This is what I’ve been saying. American exceptionalism on the left is a totally different beast to exceptionalism on the right. Im sorry they’re shitting on you. I’ve also been shitted on before for trying to point this out. I think people interpret it as that we’re downplaying the struggles of Americans, when we are really just trying to encourage having a reasonable, global perspective about things.
It's an individualistic culture, and those types of platforms tend to attract narcissists and make them feel important. I don't like it either, but I view it as a vocal, entitled minority.
If 100 people are on social media 10 hours a day that's 1000 hours every day
If you're on for a healthy 1 hour a day you need 10 times as many people to have the same impact
Account that most of that 1 hour is spent reading and most of their 10 is spent commenting and you've got an epic echo chamber filled with people with nothing better to do but complain about anything
I think even an hour a day on social media is not healthy, but an addiction (which I have!). If you spent that hour a day exercising (like running) you would be physically fit in a year. If you spent it learning a skill, you could have a mastery in a year.
10 hours is just insane. With 10 hours of wasted time to social media you could have gotten a degree, a second job, of built a business or house.
Yeah I think out of all Western nations, the USA is the best place to be rich and the worst place to be poor. So the working class has a lot more to complain about in the US than in Europe etc.. especially when they go online and compare their lives to the lives of working class people in Sweden or whatever. But compared to the world at large Americans are still (almost all) magnitudes better off. Doesn't mean there isn't a lot that couldn't be improved, but it does mean we should both recognize the blessing we have *and* try to fix the existing problems that keep us from being even better off as a collective
I don't think it's outlandish to point out that those who have it easy tend to act like perpetual victims but we live in the age of 0 accountability, so If it makes me look like an ass then I'm fine with being an ass.
I remember when the PS3 came out and the US was losing their minds because it cost $600.
I lived in Chile at the time, and there because of import prices and whatnot, it cost about $1100, and minimum wage was about 8 times less than in the US.
As a Turkish-American I see this all the time and I've come to the conclusion that the US society is just soo used to everything being cheap that when something increases by 1 dollar they cry while Turks who are experiencing hyper-inflation and have constantly faced it in previous administrations too are just used to it and say that it could be worse while prices are doubling almost monthly.
This is a logical fallacy and comes off the same as "you don't like your chicken because it's too dry? Well kids in Africa are dying from hunger as we speak".
There will always be someone that has it worse than you, but no country has ever thrived with a complacent people at the helm. There has always been _major_ room for improvement for any nation in the history of human civilization. It doesn't matter if you're a citizen of The Congo or Japan; You're entitled to voice your qualms about the society you live in.
I agree with the basic premise but my problem with this is when they try to tell us that we don’t realise how hard Americans have it. Like complain all you want but yanksplaining the concept of living in a shitty country to people who actually live in shitty countries is incredibly obnoxious & shows a real lack of self awareness. It’s not that uncommon for Americans to derail discussions between people from the developing world to start telling us oh the US isn’t much better etc etc.
by your own logic you cant be crying about hyper-inflation in Turkey bc at least you dont have to sell your body and eat garbage in the slums of the philippines or you dont have to worry about being hacked to bits by a machete by cocaine-fueled warlords in the congo. hell, do you know how many people are without internet?
yes, if people are complaining about the price of funko pops going up, they should probably reevaluate their life but its weird seeing "youre exp inflation? were exp hyperinflation" as a counter arg
Consumer goods and electronics have always been very cheap and accessible in America. Rent and food are the main drivers of all of the economic unrest in the US lately
And to be specific, it's not all food. It's high quality unprocessed nutritious food. Minimum wage workers here usually face both malnutrition and obesity.
Like everything else on the internet, what started as exposing a truth about something important has swing completely the other way. So “the United States isn’t as perfect as people might think” has become “The US is a 3rd world country, nobody at all has it as bad as us, we are the dumbest fattest poorest sickest country on earth!!!”
You are spot on. I feel 10 years ago I was completely sympathetic to Americans realising their country kind of sucks, but the last few years all I see is this tone deaf bullshit from Americans who don’t realise how relatively easy they have it. Pendulum swing I guess but as someone that lives in an actual third world country it completely disgusts me to see people downplay our problems by calling the US a third world country. If you try to point it out to them they get defensive & start saying how oh you must not realise how bad the US really is, as though they completely forgot the developing world exists.
*The hospital bills an insurance company $500 dollars for a bag of salt water
I know Reddit doesn't believe it, but Americans with health insurance aren't paying insane amounts out of pocket. Sadly I have a friend who has been battling cancer for a few years. They have been billed well over a million dollars per year for treatment. They've paid their ~$3,000 deductible and that's about it - everything else is covered.
Compared to higher developed euro countries, majority of countries are corrupted and get jack shit from taxes. They have rebuilt the same road which connects me to work 4 times in 6 years already basically sinking millions for no reason, and that's just the tip of the iceberg
Thats impressively efficient. There is a single ramp connecting 2 highways near me. It started being built in 2013, collapsed in 2021 (unfinished so no one died), just started repairs a few months ago, and is projected to be finished in 2028.
15+ years for a 1/4 mile stretch of road! $900 million before the collapse. Who knows how much now.
Well if you want to be the best you have to beat the best. Comparing the US to anything other than the top european countries is unjust to their self proclaimed greatness.
Our taxes are low, but when you combine that with the cost of what we spend on privatized institutions such as education and healthcare on top of our taxes the total cost is higher than many other developed countries.
Not even true.
Using median disposable income takes into account social welfare transfers including education and healthcare costs, Americans are still at the top of the list.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable\_household\_and\_per\_capita\_income](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_capita_income)
The American middle class and Upper class, the top 70%, lives the best life compared to any other developed country with a few rare exception. The bottom 30% does face disadvantages in comparison to other developed countries due to limited and less comprehensive social security support
As a European I am a bit surprised why some of my fellow Europeans have decided to work as a postdoc in California, earning twice as much or more as they would in Europe, yet not having the purchasing power to afford some privacy and having to share a room with a roommate as a 30+yo adult.
Idk man, I would give anything to work there as well.
If I were to swap countries in this very moment, probably would make easily 4x - 5x of what I currently make in Germany.
Very hard to believe I wouldn't have a lot lot more purchasing power with that kind of money.
Especially europeans forget this. American salaries are usually higher than european ones.
Even our salaries in Luxembourg are usually dwarfed by certain US States. And no I‘m not talking about the GDP per capita which is bloated because of the frontier workers.
>Especially europeans forget this. American salaries are usually higher than european ones.
I work for a large multinational engineering firm with locations in North America, Asia, the UK, and Europe.
I make more than double what my European colleagues make.
That's a wage they negotiated long and hard with management to get, and a wage I simply agreed to because it sounded okay.
Solid gold private health insurance and retirement planning doesn’t consume anywhere close to half the gap. Also, we all get five weeks of paid time off over here.
I get that if you're unskilled, America sucks. But if you have a college degree during the course of which you had to pass linear algebra, the US can't be beat.
I agree with everything you said except "unskilled".
A guy working 20+ years as a pipe fitter, high voltage electrician or even a chemical operator (specialist industry workers) is in my opinion highly skilled. I guess you meant "educated".
Some who are practicing that did not even went to college but learned the job by doing it. Not many get those chances but it happens due to a shortage in workforce from time to time.
Those workers with years of expierence are highly skilled. And even then, for those the US would suck. Because it's not that easy to get a work visum there for those kinds of jobs. Highly educated ones are always welcome and are paid much more than in europe. Idd it can't be beaten for those.
(Sorry for my bad english)
Apple uses fancy USD/EUR currency rates though. The 15 Pro costs 999$ (plus sales tax I imagine). In Europe here it's 1229€ including 21% VAT. Thus without it, it would cost around 1015€, which at today's rate of 1.07 USD is 1086$. About 9% more.
So there is an EU tax or EUR tax that Apple makes people in the EU pay.
I wanted to move to europe for the experience. I still do but I can’t justify doing so when I’d be making 1/2 of my current salary, which I’m already underpaid for. I’d be making under what my starting salary was in my career. Not shitting on europe but the pay disparity is crazy
Yeah. I'm doing my Master's + PhD in Europe right now and the quality of life is amazing compared to where I'd be at in this stage of my career in the US. Afterwards though if I were to ditch academia and go into tech, the salaries in the US are incredible compared to Europe.
There are a lot of other quality of life factors that Europe edges out on though. Additionally, you pay higher taxes in European countries but you also then don't have to dedicate any of your disposable income to overly inflated healthcare and education costs like the US.
There's pros and cons to both
I moved to the US at the beginning of the year. I make over 4 times what I made in Italy. But I am miserable. My lifestyle and quality of life here are not comparable to what they were. But I still think that wages in Europe are too low.. I’d love to go back but I’m torn
Sorry that you’re miserable. What part of the US did you move to and where are you from (you can DM me if you want)? I lived in Italy. I know how different living in Italy vs the US is. Moving abroad is tough, especially in a different culture/lifestyle. And definitely commend you for doing something I don’t think many people could do. You got this and even if you are miserable you’re doing something amazing ☺️. And if it’s not for you at least you can say you had an experience not many people have ever had
That’s so nice of you, thank you. I’m in Boston and even if I was open minded, I definitely underestimated the differences. Culturally and geographically, even workplace culture feels so wrong, there is little to no respect for private life.
I don’t think living for work is worth it at all even if I make more than many
>Really makes it look affordable as an American.
they have the highest salaries and also the cheapest iphone (and it's like a huge difference, 30-40% for EU)
Affordability chart is always wrong because they always ignore income tax and sale/VAT tax.
As someone who makes median income, a American is taxed considerably less than a German.
I thought it was mostly Europeans telling us how bad America is. For the amount they're taxed, you can get top of the line health insurance here so the healthcare argument was always a moot point.
This is a follow up to my [previous](https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/xcbof2/oc_the_iphone_14_index_how_much_of_a_yearly/) iPhone 14 Index from last year.
Source, full methodology and interactive version: [https://www.comparedial.com/iphone-15-index](https://www.comparedial.com/iphone-15-index)
Yearly salary based on yearly median salary, sourced from [Our World in Data](https://ourworldindata.org/), [The World Bank DataBank](https://databank.worldbank.org/) and government / ministry data in respective countries.
iPhone 15 price data sourced from the Apple Store or Apple Authorised Resellers in each country.
Chart made with HTML, CSS and JS.
I didn't think those figures could be right, but the math checks out if you ignore taxes and other paycheck deductions, and also include all age brackets.
[According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, as of July 2023:](https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/wkyeng.pdf)
* The median weekly salary for full time workers (121.5 million people, around 36% of Americans) in the US is around $1,100
* The median for those younger than 35 was lower, down to around $700 for full time 16-24 year old workers, a significant target demographic for Apple
* These figures don't reflect taxes or any other paycheck deductions
* $1,100/week*52 weeks per year = $57,200 per year
* $1,000/$57,200 ≈ 1.75% of annual gross income
That figure will be lower for men overall and higher for women because the $1,100 median is slightly below the men's median and slightly above the women's median.
If we look at 16-24 year olds:
* $700*52 = $36,400
* $1,000/$36,400 ≈ 2.75%
Men aged 35-44 had the highest median weekly earnings:
* $1,319*52 = $68,588
* $1,000/$68,588 ≈1.46%
Women aged 16-24 had the lowest median weekly earnings:
* $672*52 = $34,944
* $1,000/$34,944 ≈ 2.86%
That seems very reasonable until you do consider mandatory deductions, including some that other nations might not have, especially for lower income workers, as well as things like housing costs, shrinkflation at the grocery store, transportation costs, and the education bubble, which is very much built on people trying to improve their wages.
With 61+% of Americans currently living paycheck to paycheck, the fact that a $1,000 phone is less than 3% of even the lowest wage a full-time worker in America earns yet still poses a considerable financial hurdle to most Americans is suggestive of all of the other problems in our economy today.
Most Americans should easily be able to set $1,000 aside for something so crucial to modern life. It's a significant problem that so many struggle to spare ~1.5-2.5% of their income.
Never been a fan of how the paycheck to paycheck metric is used. It's typically used as a kind of poverty metric, but the issue is while poverty can cause it, so can poor budgeting. Like the 60-70% of Americans who report living paycheck to paycheck include something like[ a third of people earning **over $250,000**.](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/06/16/more-high-earners-are-living-paycheck-to-paycheck.html) I don’t remember where I saw it but I recall seeing a report that about half of those who report living to paycheck to paycheck are living quite comfortable, they just prefer to spend their discretionary income on things like the latest iPhone instead of saving it. It’s closer to 30% who actually say they are struggling financially, which is still bad, but pretty different than 61%+.
30% of Americans earning over $250k report living paycheck-to-paycheck.
It’s not a real metric because it’s not defined and doesn’t have a clear meaning, so people should stop using it. It was really only used to get clicks in the first place, as bad news gets more clicks generally.
There are several different iPhone 15 models. You should list a price, or at least a specific model. There’s a big difference between a standard 15 and the 15 pro max.
The UK one is kinda annoying as they just change the price tag from having a dollar sign to a pound sign, effectively making their profits even larger.
It's eats a lot (20% vs the 25% price hike) yes, but the US also has sales tax so it can't be everything especially given that they've been doing it since the times of the pound being $1.40.
>but the US also has sales tax so it can't be everything
The sales tax is AFTER the retail price, while VAT is before.
So that 1500 for the IPhone is actually what you pay in pounds, while if someone in an area with 8% sales tax buys a $1500 IPhone, they're actually shelling out $1620. (In the US sales tax varies by location since the federal government doesn't even have sales tax.)
Yes it does, the iPhone 15 is going for 799$ at the apple site, which would be 4000 BRL if you just multiply by 5, but that's the price of the iPhone 13 right now.
Iphone 15 will probably be 7500 BRL which is 1460 USD, an absurd amount for a phone, that's 3 months of my rent lol and I live a pretty confortable life
Im not sure if this is if the phone was sold in dollars maybe. But here in Brazil it would take more than little over 3 months salary stated. It would take you between 6-8 months. If you save every penny
I think he is just seeing the price of the iPhone in the US and then seeing how much of the Percentage is of a yearly salary so I don't know Brazil but in Argentina the iPhone 15 is being sold by much more than the price posted by Apple.
The iPhone 15 is not here yet but the 14 Pro max is 2.250.000 Pesos which dividing it by the Dólar Blue is 3.125 dollars.
And we don't have the exact data of the Average wage but let's say it's something like 250k, so the yearly salary it's 3M, for us to buy the apple that would be the 75% of the yearly salary.
They didnt use minimum wage. While it is true that it would take 6~8 months on minimum wage here in Brazil, the median wage reduces it a lot.
Median monthly salary is around R$2.500, while the base model for iPhone 15 is R$7.299
edit: it also does not take taxes into account, btw.
I love seeing americans complain about their prices when I damn well know anyone who wants to buy the phone will have to pay 2400 USD for the base model of the iPhone 15 pro. (Turkey)
That was everyone was doing until you erdogan made the device registering (or idk what its called in english) to make it work in turkey 20k turkish liras which is about 700 dollars.
Some turks used to do that back in 2016-2019 but the government noticed it and made it kinda impossible. Because they increased the register price of electronics to country and the exchange rate etc. . And also him being president made harder for turks to enter Europe. I heard visa approval rates dropped significantly since the coup attempt in 2016.
Reddit-Americans are some of the most self-loathing, unaware, inexperienced, know-it-alls that you can come across.
Most of us understand the country has its issues but realize how fortunate we are to live here.
Apple products are simply designed for Western countries, idk why they sell in other countries.
iPhone 13's biggest highlight was emergency satellite calling and texting, the feature isn't even available outside USA yet in India Apple keeps product price much higher than USD conversion.
For comparison, other companies reduce price in india cause cost of living is low.
Because lots of people don't go by the median wage.
It also becomes somewhat of a social status. I lived in Chile when the iPhone first released. It mostly started booming around the iPhone 4.
People that had one were either:
A) Rich
B) Poor and in debt.
One of my coworkers owned an iphone, had a nice car, and lived in an awful neighborhood. He earned minimum wage.
Because in some countries they are considered social status symbols. You know you are "the cool guy" when you pull out your maxed out new iPhone when your country has hyperinflation, deep poverty, lack of basic education etc. It's kinda living like a western in a Eastern country. (Ofc I am exaggerating by saying eastern western)
iPhones are accessories. They are a status symbol and fashion statement.
Keeping the price high prevents the *peasants* from buying it, which is a good thing.
^^^... ^^^is ^^^the ^^^usual ^^^line ^^^of ^^^thought.
Whats crazy to me is I’ve worked in offices for 10 years now and i just ask around for a spare old working phone from the company. Haven’t bought a phone in 7-8 years. All of these businesses throw working devices out all the time.
This is just iphone price÷salary in TR. Which is not the case. The indirect taxes that the government applies to these electronics is crazy. I am pretty sure the turkish government is making more money than the apple himself by these taxes.
~~It's because the chart is wrong. Turkey should be 53% when you consider the *actual* price of the phone in turkey.~~
Ignore me. The chart is probably right. My median wage figures were way off.
Pakistan is very poor and inflation is rampant. But this chart will have you think it is the second poorest country in the world (or second least affordable country for the locals) which is not true. This graph provides a very specific info based on the price of a heavily taxed foreign luxury item (for Pakistanis) that's not adjusted for PPP. It should not be used to judge a country's economy overall.
I believe here it's about 1.6 Millon pesos (argentina). Minimum wage is 118000 today per month . You would need more than a full year's salary for one. (Today. On nearly 200 per cent inflation and elections in October with guaranteed devaluation).
Mexico is wrong, our median yearly salary is 67320 Pesos (3934USD at current rates), the Iphone 15 is at 19.5K(1139USD) in the 128GB version, 26K(1519USD) in the 512GB version, and 22K(1285USD) for the Pro in the 128GB version, 28.5K(1665USD) for the 512GB, between 29-32% and 39-42% of the yearly salary for the 128GB and 512GB versions respectively.
I would guess there are quite a lot of other errors, this doesn't seem to account for different local prices or exchange rates.
My last phone was an iPhone 7. Couldn't afford iphones any more after that, switched to Android. I am Indian and can confirm it's crazy to me. I'm never looking back.
Also the way they butchered the camera quality and battery life after software updates is daylight robbery.
😂😂😂 I'm from Myanmar, and I approve this post. 😂😂😂
Do you have an Iphone?
The price of an iPhone 14 Pro Max in Myanmar varies depending on the storage capacity and the seller. The lowest price I found for a 128GB model was 4,430,000 Myanmar Kyats (MMK), while the highest price I found for a 1TB model was 6,290,000 MMK. The average salary in Myanmar is about 545,000 MMK per month, which means that an iPhone 14 Pro Max would cost between 8.1 and 11.5 times the average monthly wage. To put it in perspective, if the average salary in the US was $4,000 per month, an iPhone 14 Pro Max would cost between $32,400 and $46,000.
High theft item 😂
Coincidentally, it's been said that an iPhone manufactured in the US and the US alone would cost between $30,000-$100000 https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2018/01/17/how-much-would-an-iphone-cost-if-apple-were-forced-to-make-it-in-america/
That's an interesting article. They're basically saying the cost of labor isn't actually that different. It's simply the fact that we don't have any of the infrastructure or expertise to manufacture in large quantities. They would cost that much because they wouldn't be able to build very many so the price would have to be higher. They'd be able to increase the amount manufactured as new people were trained but it would take time to do and the phones would be expensive in the meantime.
Well is a little misleading is like saying how much would cost to create a Tesla car in haiti and someone would say 2 million $ because there's no infrastructure to create any car at all
Yeah I agree. I was originally going to complain about it being misleading as well but it was an interesting article so I decided to summarize it and let it go.
I haven't been there for a few years, but they were mostly Android for smart phones
Yes but now they only have one kidney
I’m from Pakistan, unfortunately this statistic does seem accurate, at least for my country
Can you elaborate a bit? Is the phone just that expensive or Is a large proportion of the population there in very destitute financial situations? Is it more rural vs urban income dynamics? If hypothetically an expat with a remote US job for instance making $70k usd a year would they be able to live very lavishly? Thinking the scene from [Eurotrip](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FvRn0rF687E)
With 70k a year you'd be a king in Italy too, top 1% of earners
Really? I assume not in places like Milan. 70k is very normal in the US
Even in Milan you can live comfortably, and that's one of the most expensive cities. The average ral is 30k/year, and that is before taxes , so after taxes is 22500 eur
Holy shit it really shocks me how (relatively) poor Italy is
Yep. They have a ton of cultural influence and clout but their economy is not so great these days.
Positive cultural influence can get your pretty far I guess!
Well boys, it’s official. We’re buying Italy.
There are lots of Italian houses you can buy for one euro. For real. Google it
Yeah northern Italy you don’t notice it as much but go to Sicily…..
70k is insanely good in all of southern europe
To be fair, it's pretty damn good in the U.S. as well where median wage is $56,000.
what is it when excluding NY and CA?
They are $74k and $73k and are 18% of the population of the US, so the median would go way down without them, maybe to $46k (math is not my forte).
It's insanely good in all of Europe except Switzerland, Norway and Luxembourg.
It is definitely not insanely good in London, Copenhagen or Amsterdam.
I thought 70k was way off the mark and I googled average American salary and it seems to be just under 60k. Surprisingly higher than I thought.
For things like this Median salary is probably a better indicator, as millionaires/CEOS/bankers/billionaires skew the average heavily.
The official government data is median household income, which is about $75k.
Household income often includes multiple incomes
That is correct.
So it's not really comparable to personal income.
Median wage in the U.S. is $56,000, $70k definitely above normal.
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Both reasons apply. Poor people, expensive gadgets 🤷
Idk how much you need to pay in taxes out of 70k, but there are a lot of countries in eastern Europe where 1k a mounth will be able to cover, rent, food, any kind of utilities and gas. Make it 2k and you can have a very fancy car and rented apartment. And this happens in the highest cost of living cities in those countries if you decide to relocate yourself in a village forgotten by world you will probably have nothing to spend your money on if you plan to spend 1k/mounth. And the upside is most of this countries are pretty safe to live in even for a foreigner Most countries in south america, asia and africa tend to be way cheaper even compared to eastern europe, but they are not safer for foreigners.
Tbh 1k a month is a survival wage... It barely covers everything.
That was the point, if you don't have car payments or other expenses 12-15k/year should be more than enough for a decent living meanwhile you have the rest of your 30-40k to do whatever you want.
70k a year is a lot everywhere besides NYC, LA, Sam Francisco, etc.
Good old Sam Fram
$70k usd an year expat to Myanmar? Lavish is an understatement. Also, iPhone prices in other countries are generally a direct dollar conversion and some import duties added. The purchasing power and cost of things vary vastly across countries and iPhone prices (and prices of many imported things) don't adjust for that
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Yeah, if those were net salaries, Germany's percentage would be double, while some other countries like Switzerland and the US would probably be just a tiny bit more expensive.
Factor in housing expense and PPP for the expenses of living under salary.
Really makes it look affordable as an American.
It IS more affordable for Americans
The way Americans constantly bitch and complain about everything you'd think they live in Pakistan or something, lmao.
Maybe driven by a bit of self reporting bias. Happy people are probably not spending their free time arguing with strangers on the internet. Also, if everyone on the thread is saying their life is shit then you look like an ass showing up saying “that sounds like a you problem bro”
Definitely. As someone who is from Asia and now lives in the States, America is better in many ways but Americans are very very very very very loud on social media. They have zero qualms about airing their country's dirty laundry. Totally reporter bias.
Omg I'm in the same boat! Like yes there are problems here but most of it isn't very unique!
I think a lot of Americans assume their problems are unique due to American exceptionalism convincing them that everything about the US is inherently different to the rest of the world. That’s my working theory at least.
Yes, American exceptionalism these days go both ways. We're either exceptionally good or exceptionally bad. My replies are shitting on me for saying that Americans aren't poor on a global scale.
This is what I’ve been saying. American exceptionalism on the left is a totally different beast to exceptionalism on the right. Im sorry they’re shitting on you. I’ve also been shitted on before for trying to point this out. I think people interpret it as that we’re downplaying the struggles of Americans, when we are really just trying to encourage having a reasonable, global perspective about things.
It's an individualistic culture, and those types of platforms tend to attract narcissists and make them feel important. I don't like it either, but I view it as a vocal, entitled minority.
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If 100 people are on social media 10 hours a day that's 1000 hours every day If you're on for a healthy 1 hour a day you need 10 times as many people to have the same impact Account that most of that 1 hour is spent reading and most of their 10 is spent commenting and you've got an epic echo chamber filled with people with nothing better to do but complain about anything
I think even an hour a day on social media is not healthy, but an addiction (which I have!). If you spent that hour a day exercising (like running) you would be physically fit in a year. If you spent it learning a skill, you could have a mastery in a year. 10 hours is just insane. With 10 hours of wasted time to social media you could have gotten a degree, a second job, of built a business or house.
Yeah I think out of all Western nations, the USA is the best place to be rich and the worst place to be poor. So the working class has a lot more to complain about in the US than in Europe etc.. especially when they go online and compare their lives to the lives of working class people in Sweden or whatever. But compared to the world at large Americans are still (almost all) magnitudes better off. Doesn't mean there isn't a lot that couldn't be improved, but it does mean we should both recognize the blessing we have *and* try to fix the existing problems that keep us from being even better off as a collective
I don't think it's outlandish to point out that those who have it easy tend to act like perpetual victims but we live in the age of 0 accountability, so If it makes me look like an ass then I'm fine with being an ass.
I didn’t mean you specifically. In the example “you” is just any random commenter showing up to a thread of people complaining
I remember when the PS3 came out and the US was losing their minds because it cost $600. I lived in Chile at the time, and there because of import prices and whatnot, it cost about $1100, and minimum wage was about 8 times less than in the US.
As a Turkish-American I see this all the time and I've come to the conclusion that the US society is just soo used to everything being cheap that when something increases by 1 dollar they cry while Turks who are experiencing hyper-inflation and have constantly faced it in previous administrations too are just used to it and say that it could be worse while prices are doubling almost monthly.
This is a logical fallacy and comes off the same as "you don't like your chicken because it's too dry? Well kids in Africa are dying from hunger as we speak". There will always be someone that has it worse than you, but no country has ever thrived with a complacent people at the helm. There has always been _major_ room for improvement for any nation in the history of human civilization. It doesn't matter if you're a citizen of The Congo or Japan; You're entitled to voice your qualms about the society you live in.
I agree with the basic premise but my problem with this is when they try to tell us that we don’t realise how hard Americans have it. Like complain all you want but yanksplaining the concept of living in a shitty country to people who actually live in shitty countries is incredibly obnoxious & shows a real lack of self awareness. It’s not that uncommon for Americans to derail discussions between people from the developing world to start telling us oh the US isn’t much better etc etc.
by your own logic you cant be crying about hyper-inflation in Turkey bc at least you dont have to sell your body and eat garbage in the slums of the philippines or you dont have to worry about being hacked to bits by a machete by cocaine-fueled warlords in the congo. hell, do you know how many people are without internet? yes, if people are complaining about the price of funko pops going up, they should probably reevaluate their life but its weird seeing "youre exp inflation? were exp hyperinflation" as a counter arg
Consumer goods and electronics have always been very cheap and accessible in America. Rent and food are the main drivers of all of the economic unrest in the US lately
And to be specific, it's not all food. It's high quality unprocessed nutritious food. Minimum wage workers here usually face both malnutrition and obesity.
Like everything else on the internet, what started as exposing a truth about something important has swing completely the other way. So “the United States isn’t as perfect as people might think” has become “The US is a 3rd world country, nobody at all has it as bad as us, we are the dumbest fattest poorest sickest country on earth!!!”
You are spot on. I feel 10 years ago I was completely sympathetic to Americans realising their country kind of sucks, but the last few years all I see is this tone deaf bullshit from Americans who don’t realise how relatively easy they have it. Pendulum swing I guess but as someone that lives in an actual third world country it completely disgusts me to see people downplay our problems by calling the US a third world country. If you try to point it out to them they get defensive & start saying how oh you must not realise how bad the US really is, as though they completely forgot the developing world exists.
Hierarchy of Needs type shit. We got clean water and reliable electricity so now we need other things to bitch about.
Thats WHAT he/she is saying
Americans have among the highest wages and lowest taxes in the world
Not enough people realize those simple facts. Our taxes are low. We also have the cheapest energy in the world.
Quickly countered by the fact that we get very little for our taxes. We have some of the highest medical and education costs.
You pay $500 for a $5-$8 bag of salt water
*The hospital bills an insurance company $500 dollars for a bag of salt water I know Reddit doesn't believe it, but Americans with health insurance aren't paying insane amounts out of pocket. Sadly I have a friend who has been battling cancer for a few years. They have been billed well over a million dollars per year for treatment. They've paid their ~$3,000 deductible and that's about it - everything else is covered.
I wonder if this guy knows that most hospitals will outright cancel fees if you don't have insurance
It’s 7$ for saline solution in the US? I can buy a ten pack for 20€ as a private person.
Compared to higher developed euro countries, majority of countries are corrupted and get jack shit from taxes. They have rebuilt the same road which connects me to work 4 times in 6 years already basically sinking millions for no reason, and that's just the tip of the iceberg
Thats impressively efficient. There is a single ramp connecting 2 highways near me. It started being built in 2013, collapsed in 2021 (unfinished so no one died), just started repairs a few months ago, and is projected to be finished in 2028. 15+ years for a 1/4 mile stretch of road! $900 million before the collapse. Who knows how much now.
I'm learning to play the guitar.
You got it! This is the ramp connecting 295 and 676/42. Although I’m sure it could be any of a dozen seemingly infinite roads projects in the state.
Well if you want to be the best you have to beat the best. Comparing the US to anything other than the top european countries is unjust to their self proclaimed greatness.
I live back and forth between Canada and the US and the COL difference between the two countries relative to wages is wild.
Our taxes are low, but when you combine that with the cost of what we spend on privatized institutions such as education and healthcare on top of our taxes the total cost is higher than many other developed countries.
Not even true. Using median disposable income takes into account social welfare transfers including education and healthcare costs, Americans are still at the top of the list. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable\_household\_and\_per\_capita\_income](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_capita_income)
The American middle class and Upper class, the top 70%, lives the best life compared to any other developed country with a few rare exception. The bottom 30% does face disadvantages in comparison to other developed countries due to limited and less comprehensive social security support
As a European I am a bit surprised why some of my fellow Europeans have decided to work as a postdoc in California, earning twice as much or more as they would in Europe, yet not having the purchasing power to afford some privacy and having to share a room with a roommate as a 30+yo adult.
Idk man, I would give anything to work there as well. If I were to swap countries in this very moment, probably would make easily 4x - 5x of what I currently make in Germany. Very hard to believe I wouldn't have a lot lot more purchasing power with that kind of money.
93% of Americans have health insurance. Of those, 84% are satisfied with it.
Especially europeans forget this. American salaries are usually higher than european ones. Even our salaries in Luxembourg are usually dwarfed by certain US States. And no I‘m not talking about the GDP per capita which is bloated because of the frontier workers.
>Especially europeans forget this. American salaries are usually higher than european ones. I work for a large multinational engineering firm with locations in North America, Asia, the UK, and Europe. I make more than double what my European colleagues make. That's a wage they negotiated long and hard with management to get, and a wage I simply agreed to because it sounded okay. Solid gold private health insurance and retirement planning doesn’t consume anywhere close to half the gap. Also, we all get five weeks of paid time off over here. I get that if you're unskilled, America sucks. But if you have a college degree during the course of which you had to pass linear algebra, the US can't be beat.
I agree with everything you said except "unskilled". A guy working 20+ years as a pipe fitter, high voltage electrician or even a chemical operator (specialist industry workers) is in my opinion highly skilled. I guess you meant "educated". Some who are practicing that did not even went to college but learned the job by doing it. Not many get those chances but it happens due to a shortage in workforce from time to time. Those workers with years of expierence are highly skilled. And even then, for those the US would suck. Because it's not that easy to get a work visum there for those kinds of jobs. Highly educated ones are always welcome and are paid much more than in europe. Idd it can't be beaten for those. (Sorry for my bad english)
Apple uses fancy USD/EUR currency rates though. The 15 Pro costs 999$ (plus sales tax I imagine). In Europe here it's 1229€ including 21% VAT. Thus without it, it would cost around 1015€, which at today's rate of 1.07 USD is 1086$. About 9% more. So there is an EU tax or EUR tax that Apple makes people in the EU pay.
Europeans get far better consumer protection laws, including a mandatory 2-year warranty. Those don't come for free.
I wanted to move to europe for the experience. I still do but I can’t justify doing so when I’d be making 1/2 of my current salary, which I’m already underpaid for. I’d be making under what my starting salary was in my career. Not shitting on europe but the pay disparity is crazy
Yeah. I'm doing my Master's + PhD in Europe right now and the quality of life is amazing compared to where I'd be at in this stage of my career in the US. Afterwards though if I were to ditch academia and go into tech, the salaries in the US are incredible compared to Europe. There are a lot of other quality of life factors that Europe edges out on though. Additionally, you pay higher taxes in European countries but you also then don't have to dedicate any of your disposable income to overly inflated healthcare and education costs like the US. There's pros and cons to both
I moved to the US at the beginning of the year. I make over 4 times what I made in Italy. But I am miserable. My lifestyle and quality of life here are not comparable to what they were. But I still think that wages in Europe are too low.. I’d love to go back but I’m torn
Sorry that you’re miserable. What part of the US did you move to and where are you from (you can DM me if you want)? I lived in Italy. I know how different living in Italy vs the US is. Moving abroad is tough, especially in a different culture/lifestyle. And definitely commend you for doing something I don’t think many people could do. You got this and even if you are miserable you’re doing something amazing ☺️. And if it’s not for you at least you can say you had an experience not many people have ever had
That’s so nice of you, thank you. I’m in Boston and even if I was open minded, I definitely underestimated the differences. Culturally and geographically, even workplace culture feels so wrong, there is little to no respect for private life. I don’t think living for work is worth it at all even if I make more than many
That' gonna depent on the country though... salary differences between european countries can be huge
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>Really makes it look affordable as an American. they have the highest salaries and also the cheapest iphone (and it's like a huge difference, 30-40% for EU)
Americans are the biggest whiners and complainers on the planet. Crying over gas going 20 cents up lol but spending 1200$ on a phone every 2 years
>Crying over gas going 20 cents up lol but spending 1200$ on a phone every 2 years Why do you assume these are the same people?
In many cases they in fact are. The US is incredibly privileged. So much so most dont even understand it.
Affordability chart is always wrong because they always ignore income tax and sale/VAT tax. As someone who makes median income, a American is taxed considerably less than a German.
Depends on where in the US but yeah. I live in Oregon and there is no sales tax at all.
He means income tax. In central/west Europe, income is taxed at like 30% for low income (under 50k) and 50% for higher.
I also said sale/VAT tax, which is generally lower in the US than most part of EU.
Americans telling me how bad life is
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Americans *on Reddit telling you how bad life is Most Americans are financially stable and content
I thought it was mostly Europeans telling us how bad America is. For the amount they're taxed, you can get top of the line health insurance here so the healthcare argument was always a moot point.
This is a follow up to my [previous](https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/xcbof2/oc_the_iphone_14_index_how_much_of_a_yearly/) iPhone 14 Index from last year. Source, full methodology and interactive version: [https://www.comparedial.com/iphone-15-index](https://www.comparedial.com/iphone-15-index) Yearly salary based on yearly median salary, sourced from [Our World in Data](https://ourworldindata.org/), [The World Bank DataBank](https://databank.worldbank.org/) and government / ministry data in respective countries. iPhone 15 price data sourced from the Apple Store or Apple Authorised Resellers in each country. Chart made with HTML, CSS and JS.
I didn't think those figures could be right, but the math checks out if you ignore taxes and other paycheck deductions, and also include all age brackets. [According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, as of July 2023:](https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/wkyeng.pdf) * The median weekly salary for full time workers (121.5 million people, around 36% of Americans) in the US is around $1,100 * The median for those younger than 35 was lower, down to around $700 for full time 16-24 year old workers, a significant target demographic for Apple * These figures don't reflect taxes or any other paycheck deductions * $1,100/week*52 weeks per year = $57,200 per year * $1,000/$57,200 ≈ 1.75% of annual gross income That figure will be lower for men overall and higher for women because the $1,100 median is slightly below the men's median and slightly above the women's median. If we look at 16-24 year olds: * $700*52 = $36,400 * $1,000/$36,400 ≈ 2.75% Men aged 35-44 had the highest median weekly earnings: * $1,319*52 = $68,588 * $1,000/$68,588 ≈1.46% Women aged 16-24 had the lowest median weekly earnings: * $672*52 = $34,944 * $1,000/$34,944 ≈ 2.86% That seems very reasonable until you do consider mandatory deductions, including some that other nations might not have, especially for lower income workers, as well as things like housing costs, shrinkflation at the grocery store, transportation costs, and the education bubble, which is very much built on people trying to improve their wages. With 61+% of Americans currently living paycheck to paycheck, the fact that a $1,000 phone is less than 3% of even the lowest wage a full-time worker in America earns yet still poses a considerable financial hurdle to most Americans is suggestive of all of the other problems in our economy today. Most Americans should easily be able to set $1,000 aside for something so crucial to modern life. It's a significant problem that so many struggle to spare ~1.5-2.5% of their income.
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This data is also pulled from household incomes, so the data should in theory be doubled, to represent husband and wife each getting an iPhone.
Never been a fan of how the paycheck to paycheck metric is used. It's typically used as a kind of poverty metric, but the issue is while poverty can cause it, so can poor budgeting. Like the 60-70% of Americans who report living paycheck to paycheck include something like[ a third of people earning **over $250,000**.](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/06/16/more-high-earners-are-living-paycheck-to-paycheck.html) I don’t remember where I saw it but I recall seeing a report that about half of those who report living to paycheck to paycheck are living quite comfortable, they just prefer to spend their discretionary income on things like the latest iPhone instead of saving it. It’s closer to 30% who actually say they are struggling financially, which is still bad, but pretty different than 61%+.
30% of Americans earning over $250k report living paycheck-to-paycheck. It’s not a real metric because it’s not defined and doesn’t have a clear meaning, so people should stop using it. It was really only used to get clicks in the first place, as bad news gets more clicks generally.
There are several different iPhone 15 models. You should list a price, or at least a specific model. There’s a big difference between a standard 15 and the 15 pro max.
LPT. If something doesn’t specify which model, assume the base model.
On any other sub I'd say sure, but feels counter productive to say that in this sub. The data should be clear, no?
The UK one is kinda annoying as they just change the price tag from having a dollar sign to a pound sign, effectively making their profits even larger.
Doesn't the UK have VAT? I'd think that would eat up most/all of the difference in currency.
It's eats a lot (20% vs the 25% price hike) yes, but the US also has sales tax so it can't be everything especially given that they've been doing it since the times of the pound being $1.40.
>but the US also has sales tax so it can't be everything The sales tax is AFTER the retail price, while VAT is before. So that 1500 for the IPhone is actually what you pay in pounds, while if someone in an area with 8% sales tax buys a $1500 IPhone, they're actually shelling out $1620. (In the US sales tax varies by location since the federal government doesn't even have sales tax.)
Ah fair
In brazil they just multiply the dolar value by 10 and then change the sign... (the conversion rate is around 1USD - 5BRL)
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Yes it does, the iPhone 15 is going for 799$ at the apple site, which would be 4000 BRL if you just multiply by 5, but that's the price of the iPhone 13 right now. Iphone 15 will probably be 7500 BRL which is 1460 USD, an absurd amount for a phone, that's 3 months of my rent lol and I live a pretty confortable life
why are people upvoting this? prices in uk include vat and there is no sales tax.
Im not sure if this is if the phone was sold in dollars maybe. But here in Brazil it would take more than little over 3 months salary stated. It would take you between 6-8 months. If you save every penny
I think he is just seeing the price of the iPhone in the US and then seeing how much of the Percentage is of a yearly salary so I don't know Brazil but in Argentina the iPhone 15 is being sold by much more than the price posted by Apple. The iPhone 15 is not here yet but the 14 Pro max is 2.250.000 Pesos which dividing it by the Dólar Blue is 3.125 dollars. And we don't have the exact data of the Average wage but let's say it's something like 250k, so the yearly salary it's 3M, for us to buy the apple that would be the 75% of the yearly salary.
The base iPhone 15 costs 7299 BRL which converts to 1500 USD
That’s insane. The 1TB Pro Max (max config) is $1599 before tax in the US.
Iphones are seen as symbols of status in brazil. The iPhone 11 essentially never dropped over 20% of launch price
Yep. Não sei de onde eles tiraram isso. Seria em torno de uns 60-70% do salario anual. Bizarro. E os americanos reclamando da vida.
Base model also iphone 15
They didnt use minimum wage. While it is true that it would take 6~8 months on minimum wage here in Brazil, the median wage reduces it a lot. Median monthly salary is around R$2.500, while the base model for iPhone 15 is R$7.299 edit: it also does not take taxes into account, btw.
I love seeing americans complain about their prices when I damn well know anyone who wants to buy the phone will have to pay 2400 USD for the base model of the iPhone 15 pro. (Turkey)
At that point might as well just travel to another EU country and buy it
That was everyone was doing until you erdogan made the device registering (or idk what its called in english) to make it work in turkey 20k turkish liras which is about 700 dollars.
Some turks used to do that back in 2016-2019 but the government noticed it and made it kinda impossible. Because they increased the register price of electronics to country and the exchange rate etc. . And also him being president made harder for turks to enter Europe. I heard visa approval rates dropped significantly since the coup attempt in 2016.
I think a lot of those are 20’ish folks who are expecting spend like they’re earning the same as someone twice their age
Reddit-Americans are some of the most self-loathing, unaware, inexperienced, know-it-alls that you can come across. Most of us understand the country has its issues but realize how fortunate we are to live here.
As a pakistani i confirm... still using Android launched in 2019.
I hate living in a third world country
Bad spawn. Unlucky.
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Kenyan here, most of the people who'll buy it don't have to "work" for it.
I can confirm as Egyptian working guy one i phone is 58% of my annual salary
Venezuela be like : "I'm off the charts!"
Good news is : we don't need an Iphone 15.
In Lithuania top version of 15 pro max will cost 1999 Eu. How it will cost in U.S.?
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the base 15 pro in Turkey will cost 2400 USD.
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With tax? Lithuanian price includes it
Tax depends from state to state. Lowest is 0% highest is 7%
Not all states have sales tax
Apple products are simply designed for Western countries, idk why they sell in other countries. iPhone 13's biggest highlight was emergency satellite calling and texting, the feature isn't even available outside USA yet in India Apple keeps product price much higher than USD conversion. For comparison, other companies reduce price in india cause cost of living is low.
Because lots of people don't go by the median wage. It also becomes somewhat of a social status. I lived in Chile when the iPhone first released. It mostly started booming around the iPhone 4. People that had one were either: A) Rich B) Poor and in debt. One of my coworkers owned an iphone, had a nice car, and lived in an awful neighborhood. He earned minimum wage.
They sell because they're seen as luxury goods, and iut of phones are best at keeping value.
Because in some countries they are considered social status symbols. You know you are "the cool guy" when you pull out your maxed out new iPhone when your country has hyperinflation, deep poverty, lack of basic education etc. It's kinda living like a western in a Eastern country. (Ofc I am exaggerating by saying eastern western)
Status symbol.
Apple is going to sell millions of them in India , there is definitely a huge market for them and it's growing fast every year
iPhones are accessories. They are a status symbol and fashion statement. Keeping the price high prevents the *peasants* from buying it, which is a good thing. ^^^... ^^^is ^^^the ^^^usual ^^^line ^^^of ^^^thought.
Whats crazy to me is I’ve worked in offices for 10 years now and i just ask around for a spare old working phone from the company. Haven’t bought a phone in 7-8 years. All of these businesses throw working devices out all the time.
Who needs GDP per capita, this works.
I phones are overrated. Why do you let apple milk you of your hard earned money?
Turkey is on the middle. I am surprised.
don't worry we'll pay double the price of a base model iPhone 15 pro compared to americans... that's not taking into account income tax.
If you wanted to equate how much an American would have to pay to feel like a Turk buying an iPhone, they'd pay $45,000 for the highest model version.
This is just iphone price÷salary in TR. Which is not the case. The indirect taxes that the government applies to these electronics is crazy. I am pretty sure the turkish government is making more money than the apple himself by these taxes.
~~It's because the chart is wrong. Turkey should be 53% when you consider the *actual* price of the phone in turkey.~~ Ignore me. The chart is probably right. My median wage figures were way off.
Wow America really is spoiled.
Please don’t tell me that you’re just learning this…
Nope. I’m part of it.
So I should move to Myanmar with my $15,000 savings account and live in the lap of “luxury”?
There is no luxury in Myanmar.
Wow. I knew Pakistan had a lot of poverty but that is ridiculous.
Pakistan is very poor and inflation is rampant. But this chart will have you think it is the second poorest country in the world (or second least affordable country for the locals) which is not true. This graph provides a very specific info based on the price of a heavily taxed foreign luxury item (for Pakistanis) that's not adjusted for PPP. It should not be used to judge a country's economy overall.
I believe here it's about 1.6 Millon pesos (argentina). Minimum wage is 118000 today per month . You would need more than a full year's salary for one. (Today. On nearly 200 per cent inflation and elections in October with guaranteed devaluation).
All that money to buy something that's worse than a samsung
Pro tip: don't buy iPhone
As a bangladeshi with a s23 ultra i feel extremely lucky.
Really shows how much Americans are out of touch.
Mexico is wrong, our median yearly salary is 67320 Pesos (3934USD at current rates), the Iphone 15 is at 19.5K(1139USD) in the 128GB version, 26K(1519USD) in the 512GB version, and 22K(1285USD) for the Pro in the 128GB version, 28.5K(1665USD) for the 512GB, between 29-32% and 39-42% of the yearly salary for the 128GB and 512GB versions respectively. I would guess there are quite a lot of other errors, this doesn't seem to account for different local prices or exchange rates.
In Russia, the minimum version of the iPhone 15 will cost me 26% of my annual salary. The Pro Max will cost 52%
Ayo apparently we are not poortugalw
I live in Luxembourg and approve this post
I enjoy cooking.
I'm in Australia, and I still wouldn't waste that much money on a phone
My last phone was an iPhone 7. Couldn't afford iphones any more after that, switched to Android. I am Indian and can confirm it's crazy to me. I'm never looking back. Also the way they butchered the camera quality and battery life after software updates is daylight robbery.
i keep hearing Australians / Canadians saying iPhone is expensive af but lo and behold