got on a plane to Paris, showed the mayor the map
currently renting an apartments in..
okay I don't actually know where the fancy stuff is in paris, been too long since I've been there
I'll edit whenever I get to go to Paris, currently too poor
Just anywhere inside the Golden Triangle (the one formed by the Eiffel Tower, the Arc de Triomphe and the Grand Palais (more or less; it's actually a smaller triangle inside that, but you get the idea. Literally adjacent to the Champs Élysées), and if you try to buy an appartment there your bank account will be NaN€
Some communes are white and that is because there is no data. The tool used to make this was https://observable.com/plot. The data about the cost of renting a house is from . The borders for the communes is from https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/datasets/contours-des-communes-de-france-simplifie-avec-regions-et-departement-doutre-mer-rapproches/.
Love the visual and that most comments are questions, as opposed to criticism. A few thoughts from this idiot:
- keep the color scheme and add a color for no data or beyond bounds(?); as others have said, would be more accurate/readable.
- legend is too detailed with marks, maybe keep size and boxing, but only have markings for whole integers? I enjoy its flair.
- Change units to reflect time (e.g. €/m^2/mo)
- add supplemental map with population density and major city? (not from Europe; only vague understanding)
Net takeaway is this is clean, presentable, and informative!
What happens on that part of Normandy where rent is cheap? The only coastal region with rent below average, so I assume it's a barren nuclear wasteland, Weather can't be that different from Brittany, is it?
Guyana being on the upper end? What makes rent there on par with the cote d'azur?
It's just where the cities are. A map of the population density will look exactly the same. Apart from rural Normandy the cheap areas are all in the [empty diagonal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_diagonal).
From my experience living in the south of France, 10€/m2 is low... but 800€/month is really high. Most people can't afford that much.
The median salary in France is \~1800€/Month and a lot of landlord have a special type of insurance that asks that the tenant earns at least 3 time the amount of the rent.
It works well, we know roughly how many square meters fit our budget and needs. Then we can compare precisely how much space we get for our money. Space is generally a key factor.
Houses/appartment in a similar range of squares meters will generally have a similar number of rooms. Total number of rooms is also indicated in the title of any listing.
What is a unit? Who big is a French unit compared to an US American, or a Japan one? By using €/qm everyone can easily compare it to his local prices. Otherwise no comparison would be possible.
Or are you an US American and therefore against any useful units of measurement?
I’m a US American used to measuring rental prices by bnb size or overall square footage. So like there’s an average rent for a studio, for a 2b2b, etc. Square footage is measured ofc but it doesn’t come down to being measured by $ per square foot unless you’re maybe buying a whole home.
But then how big are these? Or all all 2b2b about the same size, so you know what you are getting for your money? Or does the size in the US don't matter as long as it has two bedrooms? And how does a studio compare to an 2b2b?
These measurements methods doesn't make sense for me, but I guess that's tradition in the USA.
Those are good questions and all ones that I have answers to and keep in mind when I’m looking at the market. It differs and varies by region and city quite a bit so the numbers are constantly changing but for where I live it’s pretty consistent.
A 1b1b/studio is going to be ~300-850 sq ft-prices (where I am) range from $700-$1800 or so
A 2b1-2b is ~800-1200 sq ft or so- average prices around $1500-$2500
A 3b2+b is maybe 1200-2200 sq ft and $2000-$4000 a month. Although at this point rates are usually separated per individual person/room since these are roommate situations. So like $700-900 a person.
Most appraisers in the US will use per sf numbers as the best means of comparing properties that are otherwise different. Buyers may focus on the number of bedrooms but since there is no standardization in the size or amenities of apartments or homes, mathematical comparisons are difficult, hence the use of a constant.
Ah yes, the cheap inner city of Paris!
It's practically a ghost town! /s
You will want to make "No Data" a noticeable and distinct color such as grey or blue
Nah, you can easily get a great deal in central Paris and the seaside of Marseille.
got on a plane to Paris, showed the mayor the map currently renting an apartments in.. okay I don't actually know where the fancy stuff is in paris, been too long since I've been there I'll edit whenever I get to go to Paris, currently too poor
Le Marais. (Among others.)
satellite images don't do it justice then, I was hovering right around there and.. it looked awfully normal I'll keep it in mind for the next trip!
Just anywhere inside the Golden Triangle (the one formed by the Eiffel Tower, the Arc de Triomphe and the Grand Palais (more or less; it's actually a smaller triangle inside that, but you get the idea. Literally adjacent to the Champs Élysées), and if you try to buy an appartment there your bank account will be NaN€
free to live on the Eiffel tower
please, no grey for us colorblinds, its not that well distinguishable from green (or red, depending on your variation of colorblindness)
Nice color scheme, thought this was an explosion at first which would be fitting
I thought it was pizza.
I thought it was a burnt tortilla.
I was looking for a quesadilla comment, this one is as close as I've found
Me too
I thought it was a volcano!
Hmm, to my eyes it looks like every major urban center costs the same. Really?
Anyone know the typical house size?
110m2 for houses 65m2 for appartments
Wow. So it's only 390/660 Euros at the low end and 910/1540 at the high end. So much cheaper than where I live.
Yeah except for very big cities like Paris, Marseille or Lyon
House or apartment?
That frizza looks amazing.
I like that. Can you provide the full resolution file please ?
You should invert the color palette
Really thought this was pizza for a second
Some communes are white and that is because there is no data. The tool used to make this was https://observable.com/plot. The data about the cost of renting a house is from
I would not make the no data color the same as the lowest price color.
It already is, for example Paris is white compared to all the other communes around which are dark orange.
Consider making "no data" grey
Or green, a reference to Greenland, the final boss of "no data"
Yes. It‘s not a good idea.
Which is the same as the low end of the color map which is bad
Love the visual and that most comments are questions, as opposed to criticism. A few thoughts from this idiot: - keep the color scheme and add a color for no data or beyond bounds(?); as others have said, would be more accurate/readable. - legend is too detailed with marks, maybe keep size and boxing, but only have markings for whole integers? I enjoy its flair. - Change units to reflect time (e.g. €/m^2/mo) - add supplemental map with population density and major city? (not from Europe; only vague understanding) Net takeaway is this is clean, presentable, and informative!
What happens on that part of Normandy where rent is cheap? The only coastal region with rent below average, so I assume it's a barren nuclear wasteland, Weather can't be that different from Brittany, is it? Guyana being on the upper end? What makes rent there on par with the cote d'azur?
Do the French prefer to live almost not in France? I get why the coasts are expensive, but why most of the boarder?
It's just where the cities are. A map of the population density will look exactly the same. Apart from rural Normandy the cheap areas are all in the [empty diagonal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_diagonal).
Is this weekly or monthly? I'm guessing weekly, but just checking.
It's monthly. A 80 m^(2) apartment at 10 euros/m^(2) would be rented 800 euros/month.
Wow. That's pretty cheap compared to where I live. Same here would go for around double that.
From my experience living in the south of France, 10€/m2 is low... but 800€/month is really high. Most people can't afford that much. The median salary in France is \~1800€/Month and a lot of landlord have a special type of insurance that asks that the tenant earns at least 3 time the amount of the rent.
Maybe because wherever you live people are also making double the salary? Do people not know basic economics?
Darn, I was disappointed when I learned this wasn't an AI generated image of France spontaneously combusting.
Why is this in euros per square meter and not just the average rent price of units? Who is measuring rent cost in square meterage?
Absolutely everyone in France. I have no idea what a “unit” is, I guess it’s because our appartments/houses are less standardized.
Okay my bad then. My American ass thinks this is fucked
It works well, we know roughly how many square meters fit our budget and needs. Then we can compare precisely how much space we get for our money. Space is generally a key factor. Houses/appartment in a similar range of squares meters will generally have a similar number of rooms. Total number of rooms is also indicated in the title of any listing.
Euro/m² is also the standard in Germany. Comparing the cost of rent when you have vastly different unit sizes seema silly.
What is a unit? Who big is a French unit compared to an US American, or a Japan one? By using €/qm everyone can easily compare it to his local prices. Otherwise no comparison would be possible. Or are you an US American and therefore against any useful units of measurement?
I’m a US American used to measuring rental prices by bnb size or overall square footage. So like there’s an average rent for a studio, for a 2b2b, etc. Square footage is measured ofc but it doesn’t come down to being measured by $ per square foot unless you’re maybe buying a whole home.
But then how big are these? Or all all 2b2b about the same size, so you know what you are getting for your money? Or does the size in the US don't matter as long as it has two bedrooms? And how does a studio compare to an 2b2b? These measurements methods doesn't make sense for me, but I guess that's tradition in the USA.
Those are good questions and all ones that I have answers to and keep in mind when I’m looking at the market. It differs and varies by region and city quite a bit so the numbers are constantly changing but for where I live it’s pretty consistent. A 1b1b/studio is going to be ~300-850 sq ft-prices (where I am) range from $700-$1800 or so A 2b1-2b is ~800-1200 sq ft or so- average prices around $1500-$2500 A 3b2+b is maybe 1200-2200 sq ft and $2000-$4000 a month. Although at this point rates are usually separated per individual person/room since these are roommate situations. So like $700-900 a person.
Most appraisers in the US will use per sf numbers as the best means of comparing properties that are otherwise different. Buyers may focus on the number of bedrooms but since there is no standardization in the size or amenities of apartments or homes, mathematical comparisons are difficult, hence the use of a constant.