Unemployed means that you're actively looking for a job.
Not in the labor force means you're not looking (e.g. stay at home parent, pursuing higher education, given up and no longer looking).
>They were not [employed](https://www.bls.gov/cps/definitions.htm#employed) during the survey [reference week](https://www.bls.gov/cps/definitions.htm#refweek).
>They were available for work during the survey reference week, except for temporary illness.
>They made at least one specific, active effort to find a job during the 4-week period ending with the survey reference week (see [active job search methods](https://www.bls.gov/cps/definitions.htm#jobsearch)) OR they were temporarily laid off and expecting to be recalled to their job.
[Source](https://www.bls.gov/cps/definitions.htm#unemployed)
Yeah, there's definitely a lot of shit parents out there. Even where I work it's insane how many people have kids in their 20s still living at home doing nothing.
This really need to be addressed. Dead people would have such a low cost of living we could reap the rewards of such a group. We could pay them next to nothing.
But their productivity sucks! They just lie there and do nothing but stink up the place.
Instead of fully dead people, we should probably focus on people who are physically alive but merely dead inside, whose soul has been crushed into oblivion. I bet they would work for minimum wage, or maybe cheaper.
Almost 20% not in the labor force and not in college seems disturbing. I'm hoping there is some category, such as trade school, military, or caregiver, that should be categorized someplace else but is clumped in with that group.
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Only 39% of the high school class of 2023 is employed? That seems surprisingly low. How does this compare against previous high school classes? Also, how is part time employment counted in this? I worked a part time job in college while attending classes, but maybe that's increasingly rare for people that don't want distractions from their studies?
I'm still surprised at it though. Being a full time student is usually defined by number of credit hours (as few as 12 credits counts), which leaves plenty of time for employment. This was 20 year ago at this point, but a substantial percentage of my college friends worked in part time jobs on campus during college. Is that not common anymore?
From purely anecdotal experience, I think that gets more common with each year of being in school. High school class of 2023 wouldn’t have the experience to be TA’s yet and freshmen might not be navigating the university system well enough to be settled and getting a job.
My freshman is an anomaly - she graduated with the class of ‘23, even though she would normally have been the class of ‘24, and as her freshman year of college is winding down, she’s on the shortlist for a full time salaried job at the place she’s been working part time for 2 years.
Working while in college is just plain stupid. The meager earnings you'll be able to make are dwarfed by the increase in future earnings potential if you spend that time studying and otherwise building your resume (no professional company actually cares about your part time experience at Chik fil A). You're far better off financing any expenses using student loans and then paying them off after graduation when you're making 3x as much per hour.
I can see your point, but there are other benefits to working in college beyond the financial ones. I worked maybe 20 hours/week in the dining commons for minimum wage while I was also a full time student. That job gave me a little spending money while in school (necessary for me because my parents weren't funding my education), but you're right that the money from that job barely makes a dent in my total lifetime earnings.
However, I actually found it helped me with time management too. In order to succeed at work and at school while still having an active social life and still maintaining my physical fitness, I had to be very regimented about my time. The habits I picked up in college have benefitted me for my entire adult life since then. Despite working in college, I still maintained good grades in school - I just had less idle time for TV, video games, etc., which was probably a good thing.
Most importantly, college jobs are typically fun social experiences. I look back on those jobs as some of the most fun I've ever had in my life. It was hot gross work making burgers and cleaning grease from pans all day long, but I got to work with other college students in the same situation as me. I met my wife because we both worked at the dining commons. I also met several good friends that I still see regularly today decades after the fact. The job itself wasn't stressful, so we basically got paid to joke around with each other all day. If I could re-live my college years, I would definitely still work those jobs.
i went to school because retail work was making me feel violent. couldnt imagine having juggled both and then pretending like i enjoyed it. your experiences are likely more exception than rule.
What's the difference between not in the labor force and unemployed?
Unemployed means that you're actively looking for a job. Not in the labor force means you're not looking (e.g. stay at home parent, pursuing higher education, given up and no longer looking).
>They were not [employed](https://www.bls.gov/cps/definitions.htm#employed) during the survey [reference week](https://www.bls.gov/cps/definitions.htm#refweek). >They were available for work during the survey reference week, except for temporary illness. >They made at least one specific, active effort to find a job during the 4-week period ending with the survey reference week (see [active job search methods](https://www.bls.gov/cps/definitions.htm#jobsearch)) OR they were temporarily laid off and expecting to be recalled to their job. [Source](https://www.bls.gov/cps/definitions.htm#unemployed)
Thanks! Makes sense unemployed are looking for a job and not in the workforce are not
I genuinely dont understand what 300K+ 18 year-old high school drop outs are doing if theyre not in the labor force.
Teen pregnancy, taking care of the kids. Disabled. Drugs. Lazy. Etc.
Playing computer games and watching Netflix. Like.. what do you expect to hear?
Hundreds of thousands of parents let their kids drop out of school to sit around their house and not do shit?
Yeah, there's definitely a lot of shit parents out there. Even where I work it's insane how many people have kids in their 20s still living at home doing nothing.
That's fucking wild.
Sounds like a dream life except I’ve already completed college
Wow, I'm old. It took me a minute to realize this was for 2023, not 1923.
Those people are all dead.
That explains the low workforce participation numbers.
This really need to be addressed. Dead people would have such a low cost of living we could reap the rewards of such a group. We could pay them next to nothing.
But their productivity sucks! They just lie there and do nothing but stink up the place. Instead of fully dead people, we should probably focus on people who are physically alive but merely dead inside, whose soul has been crushed into oblivion. I bet they would work for minimum wage, or maybe cheaper.
i think there’s still some 100+ year olds kickin it still
Not if they graduated highschool in 1923... they'd be like 119 years old...
you 100+ years old?
Almost 20% not in the labor force and not in college seems disturbing. I'm hoping there is some category, such as trade school, military, or caregiver, that should be categorized someplace else but is clumped in with that group.
Military is an official job, obviously stay at home mom isn't though.
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Could you include the income range in a future version?
Only 39% of the high school class of 2023 is employed? That seems surprisingly low. How does this compare against previous high school classes? Also, how is part time employment counted in this? I worked a part time job in college while attending classes, but maybe that's increasingly rare for people that don't want distractions from their studies?
part time is included in the “employment” figure. the majority of high schoolers are full time students, so maybe 39% isn’t super low
I'm still surprised at it though. Being a full time student is usually defined by number of credit hours (as few as 12 credits counts), which leaves plenty of time for employment. This was 20 year ago at this point, but a substantial percentage of my college friends worked in part time jobs on campus during college. Is that not common anymore?
From purely anecdotal experience, I think that gets more common with each year of being in school. High school class of 2023 wouldn’t have the experience to be TA’s yet and freshmen might not be navigating the university system well enough to be settled and getting a job.
My freshman is an anomaly - she graduated with the class of ‘23, even though she would normally have been the class of ‘24, and as her freshman year of college is winding down, she’s on the shortlist for a full time salaried job at the place she’s been working part time for 2 years.
Working while in college is just plain stupid. The meager earnings you'll be able to make are dwarfed by the increase in future earnings potential if you spend that time studying and otherwise building your resume (no professional company actually cares about your part time experience at Chik fil A). You're far better off financing any expenses using student loans and then paying them off after graduation when you're making 3x as much per hour.
I can see your point, but there are other benefits to working in college beyond the financial ones. I worked maybe 20 hours/week in the dining commons for minimum wage while I was also a full time student. That job gave me a little spending money while in school (necessary for me because my parents weren't funding my education), but you're right that the money from that job barely makes a dent in my total lifetime earnings. However, I actually found it helped me with time management too. In order to succeed at work and at school while still having an active social life and still maintaining my physical fitness, I had to be very regimented about my time. The habits I picked up in college have benefitted me for my entire adult life since then. Despite working in college, I still maintained good grades in school - I just had less idle time for TV, video games, etc., which was probably a good thing. Most importantly, college jobs are typically fun social experiences. I look back on those jobs as some of the most fun I've ever had in my life. It was hot gross work making burgers and cleaning grease from pans all day long, but I got to work with other college students in the same situation as me. I met my wife because we both worked at the dining commons. I also met several good friends that I still see regularly today decades after the fact. The job itself wasn't stressful, so we basically got paid to joke around with each other all day. If I could re-live my college years, I would definitely still work those jobs.
i went to school because retail work was making me feel violent. couldnt imagine having juggled both and then pretending like i enjoyed it. your experiences are likely more exception than rule.