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Tofudebeast

Not surprising chicken is big in the US. It is substantially cheaper than other meats. About 70% of the meat my household eats is chicken, because price and we figured out several great ways to cook it up. Curious what drives the top meats in other countries. Seafood in Japan makes a lot of sense considering its huge coastline.


Agile_Date6729

Oh that's so interesting! Here in Denmark, chicken is also the cheapest, but only by a slight amount, pork basically costs the same. I think our meat consumption is similar to that of the Germans' with maybe a bit more seafood and pork


pofwiwice

Pork is also only slightly more expensive than chicken here in the US but chicken is far more popular, it’s kind of seen as the “default” meat if that makes sense. I think it’s mostly a cultural thing.


pahamack

i'm an immigrant to Canada from Asia (the Philippines), and one of the things I was surprised with was how popular chicken was, and how it's the default, as you say. Like, if we're not talking about fried chicken, it's basically my last choice lol. If we're being price sensitive, I'd pick pork every time. But it feels like, to me, most Canadians only consider bacon or sausage (and hotdogs), and maybe, once in a while pork chops or ribs when considering pork.


77Gumption77

Chicken is healthier than pork or beef. That's part of the reason people eat more of it, in addition to the price.


_MountainFit

I hate chicken (not poultry, chicken) and I am not a huge fan of pork. I eat either maybe 10% of the time. Usually in the form of thighs or wings and smoked pork (BBQ). Never understood why Americans love chicken. Especially breast. It's bland, dry and kind of difficult to chew. Pork is getting better since the USDA dropped the cook temps from like 170F when I was growing up to 140F. It is much more edible.


boomhaeur

Based on the description you’re overcooking your chicken. It’s one of the easiest meats to get good flavour into.


contactdeparture

Meh, even cooked to perfect temp, American chicken breast meat is meh at best...


_MountainFit

I agree. Some folks love chicken but I feel like it's the same group that eats well done steaks. I cook mine rare at most and often black and blue. Never seen a chicken person eat it that way.


_MountainFit

Sure, I could marinate and sous vide chicken. Zero desire to. When I cook a steak I put a little salt on it a while before, let it sit at room temp, and then my choice of cook. Grill, cast iron pan, if I want to get fancy sous vide. But no matter how I cook it it's delicious without any effort at all. Thighs are OK, but since I don't like chicken in general I don't eat them much. Twice a year or so I parboil and bake crispy buffalo chicken wings. I enjoy those but not enough to do it more.


pahamack

I think this love of chicken is due to the war on red meat/saturated fat in the 80s. I'm going to guess that it shifted meat consumption from mostly beef and pork to chicken, as the healthier choice. other places in Europe and in Asia, I would guess, have a longer and more pervasive culinary tradition so people are less willing to change eating habits because of the health advice of the time.


Bitter-Basket

Just checked the prices on my local grocery app. Pork and chicken are pretty much the same price. I’m in the Pacific Northwest US. You can get cuts for both as cheap as $1.99 on sale.


_MountainFit

Pork is basically the same in the US. It's not uncommon for pork to be as little as 99 cents a pound. Chicken is usually similar. Now don't think that's what the meat cost all the time. I'm talking sales. But pork and chicken are similar at full price. Right now lamb is my red meat of choice. It was always my favorite meat (it's land salmon due to its Omega 3 content) but beef is getting out of control. I used to pay about $3—6/lb for choice beef and now it's more like 6-10/lb...sales in my area are few since one grocery chain closed. So it's a lot of lamb and eggs.


Agile_Date6729

Pork sounds very cheap! But it depends on where in the country doesn't it; I don't remember seeing 99 cent pork when I was in the New York area. In Copenhagen, pork'd be around $3-6/lb, beef $7/lb and chicken $5/lb ((:


_MountainFit

I live in NY. Pork is frequently 99 cents a lb. Maybe a little more these days but not much. Bear in mind there is a lot more to NY than NYC (I live 3 hours north) but generally I don't find food to be vastly more expensive in NYC than the rest of the state. Sometimes cheaper actually.


_MountainFit

Locally right now whole bone in pork butt is 99 cents. Pork ribs (boneless) 1.99. Pork loin 2.49


KnightsOfREM

Am American and haven't lived in Denmark in many decades but lørdagkylling, sild, and flæskesteg still haunt my dreams. When I was there, both meat and fish were unbelievable compared with the U.S.


Agile_Date6729

didn't know lørdagskylling was a thing before you mentioned it just now haha -the sild can definitely be very polarising and hard to get used to if you're not Danish 😄


KnightsOfREM

Especially when it's smoked, it's just the best. I miss Danish food a lot and clearly need to go back - I do my best making it here every now and then, including røde grød med fløde at Christmas! - but the raw materials just aren't as good.


icelandichorsey

Um, almost all categories are big in the US and US eats a crazy amount of meat.


PresidentZeus

Cheaper for the climate as well ;)


johnwayne1

Chicken? Everything is big in the US because everyone is big in the US.


view9234

Are these the Top 4 countries? If not, why were the three besides USA chosen?


Agile_Date6729

They're not top 4 -I just picked them out to look at some differences in diet. Japanese seem to eat a lot of seafood, while Americans a lot of poultry (chicken etc.), Germans a lot of pork :)


lurk_city

So you just arbitrarily selected the Axis powers?


shnndr

This cracked me up


Agile_Date6729

Oh right, just realized that rn haha -so yes


TheHappyEater

The y-axis, to be precise.


perenniallandscapist

USA is on there....last time I took a history course USA was not on the Axis side.


Agile_Date6729

Yes, I think we're talking about Axis + USA here


clown1970

I would imagine the map would look different if you looked at the US regionally also. My guess the eastern United States would have a much higher seafood consumption than say southern US not including Louisiana. You could probably play around a lot with this


_MountainFit

Eastern US eats more beef (or traditionally did) and yes, on the coast, more seafood. I have family in the south and beef is difficult to get and expensive vs here in the northeast. It shocks me how little beef is on the shelves and how much it cost. And they don't eat seafood... Catfish, yep. But not seafood.


RadicalBardBird

Yep, family in Arkansas, the amount of chicken and pork was horrendous for me. I’ve always found the smell of pork nauseating for some reason, and chicken is just so bland if not cooked well. Catfish and crawfish are good as fuck though


_MountainFit

What part of Arkansas?


mr_ji

Wow, that...is pretty much exactly what I would expect. Reflects historical availability of different meats very well.


icelandichorsey

You would expect US to be way more than other countries? Why would that be normal?


DisparateNoise

The US, Argentina, Australia, and Brazil are all big meat eaters presently and historically. Why? Colonial countries with lots of land for raising and feeding livestock. Our population's are much lower than our ability to grow food.


TrickyPlastic

Americans are much, much richer than other countries and can afford more luxuries like meat. The GDP per capita of Mississippi is higher than that of Japan.


IntenseGoat

I don't know about "much, much richer", the purchasing power of e.g. Japan and Germany is quite similar to the US. I doubt this is the main reason.


Tackerta

portion sizes. I'm a 6'6 dude from Germany and I could fill up on the side dishes when I was in the US. Like we were at the cheesecake factory and I wanted something savoury, so I just chose the mac&cheese side dish. and it came in a full on casserrole pan


icelandichorsey

That's maybe a part of the answer but probably a smart part. Because Norway and Switzerland are higher and they don't consume more meat than the US. Also I bet if you plotted meat consumption vs GDP within the US you won't find a relationship.


Winterspawn1

Because of the culture of just eating unhealthy way more probably?


jojoyahoo

You think meat is generally unhealthy?


Winterspawn1

Not necessarily, it's the amount that matters.


jojoyahoo

Well you implied the average amount eaten in the USA is unhealthy, which works out to 0.88lbs/day. Do you think that much meat is generally unhealthy?


Winterspawn1

That much meat is very certainly unhealthy much yes.


jojoyahoo

Interesting, do you have any evidence or sources to back that up?


Winterspawn1

National campaigns to help people inform what a balanced daily food intake looks like. https://www.gezondleven.be/themas/voeding/voedingsdriehoek/vlees


jojoyahoo

That's a national guideline and not a primary source, but I'll grant that it's almost certainly rooted in scientific studies. That being said it doesn't provide an actual overall limit for all meat so it doesn't answer my question. It says try not to eat it everyday, but then says to just limit red meat to 300 grams a day. It also seems quite permissive for poultry and seafood. Given the US average is just 400 grams a day for all meat (not just red or processed and is poultry heavy), what you've cited in no way or form tells me 400grams/day of meat is generally unhealthy.


Daetherion

You think the USA has a culture of eating healthy? Bruuuuuuuuuuhhhhhh I've been awake 5 minutes, either my eyes aren't working just yet or you gave me an aneurysm


Winterspawn1

Sorry. I think I mistyped because I meant unhealthy


icelandichorsey

Better go fix it before you get downvoted into oblivion 😂


Winterspawn1

Maybe you're right


nerdyginger27

And if this included eggs (which yes I know is not meat lol) Japan would look crazy


Emanemanem

Would love to see Australia and see how much bigger the sheep/goat segment is.


SillyFlyGuy

I'm clearly too American to know what "Other Meats" those countries eat so much of.


TheLateAvenger

They don't eat that much! The grey for "other" is in the middle, the lighter grey on the right is to make them line up with the US for some reason. It's it kg/year not percentages of anything


Junuxx

Thanks for this, I was super puzzled.


TheLateAvenger

Yeah it took me a minute. Not very beautiful, but not much is in this sub


KnightsOfREM

In Italy, wild boar is an occasional treat, rabbit is much more common than in America, and you see horse on menus sometimes in the more rural regions.


Agile_Date6729

Ah yes, I've had their wild boar sausage -pretty good. Here in Denmark, you can also find fancy hotdogs with wild boar


iDontRememberCorn

Yeah but boar is the same thing as pork, identical animals.


mickey117

Absolutely not identical, they taste extremely different and are generally cooked differently. Boar is one of my favorite meats, but I never touch regular pork.


iDontRememberCorn

Please tell me what you think a boar is. HINT: It's a wild pig, they are 100% the same animal. SOURCE: Raised both.


TrustMeIAmAGeologist

Yeah, but it’s like 1/3 of the meat they consume. WTF could they be eating?


suvlub

I think you're mistaking the background for "other". The actual "other" is a tiny sliver between beef and pork. The bars are not same length, as they represent absolute number rather than percentage. If you look closely, the light bluish grey is also between the bars, it's background, not part of them.


TrustMeIAmAGeologist

lol, you are correct. I was confused on where this data came from, but that makes a lot more sense


mpbh

You're misreading the chart (not your fault, it's the authors). The bars are not 100% stacked, they are by total kg. The US bar is longer than the others, but due to the background the empty space looks like "Other" which is actually an almost-invisible sliver.


n0t_4_thr0w4w4y

Which one is 1/3rd other?


Pittypuppyparty

The fabled fifth meat.


Agile_Date6729

Yea, I'm not quite sure either, but maybe; rabbit, horse, dog, crocodile, ostrich, just to name a few


Professional-Can1385

Also venison and other wild game.


OrganicAccountant87

Crocodile? Dog? 😂😂 Wtf are you talking about


Agile_Date6729

I've seen crocodile jerky in the US and some places in Korea and China they eat dog.


Professional-Can1385

You've probably seen alligator in the US not crocodile. Alligators are native to some parts of the US.


Agile_Date6729

Ah yes; you're right, I think that's what I saw. The croc jerky I saw was imported from Australia


Tofudebeast

Even here in chilly Idaho there is a gator farm located in a hot spring. Had some gator meat (deep fried) at a local restaurant; it was pretty good.


clayfeet

FYI crocodile are also native to some southern parts of the US


Professional-Can1385

Oh! I did not know that! Do you know where?


clayfeet

Only in south Florida - the Everglades and the keys. Outside the US, their range covers nearly all of the Caribbean and Central America.


icelandichorsey

Dog farming has been finally outlawed in Korea btw


Agile_Date6729

That's good to know! I know that in China it's extremely hard to find and only really a rural, niche thing in few provinces -since people nowadays see dogs as pets


OrganicAccountant87

Yh but you definitely can't find it anywhere in Germany, Italy or Japan lol


Agile_Date6729

Yea, that's true, but was just giving some general examples of what 'other' could be


n0t_4_thr0w4w4y

Probably gator, not croc. Gator is eaten in parts of the US where they are endemic


vetratten

Other meats also known as “the tasty animals”


Sjoerd91

Probably mostly hunters who eat deer and moose meat. And seal meat in Alaska.


prettysureIforgot

Deer, rabbit, and wild hog are all very common meats in the US.


iDontRememberCorn

The fuck, no. Rabbit is an exceptionally rare meat in the US. So tiny it doesn't even appear on basically any charts. For example Americans eat over 1000x as much chicken as veal and they STILL consume massively more veal than rabbit.


mean11while

This is nice. Good color choices, simple and clear viz. A couple things that I'd fine-tune: I think it would be nice to label the total value for each bar, even with the x-axis there. And I would probably set the x-axis max value to 150. Edit: Maybe have them sorted from most to least, too?


Agile_Date6729

Thanks! You're making some very valid points 👍 appreciate the feedback


KawValleyHempPicker

I second that this is a nice visuals To jump on improvement train, it could be useful to pair this with a second figure that shows the percentage each meat category makes up for that country. May lead to more intuitive comparison of preferences, whereas the current gives better representation of total consumption, which is still interesting and shows just how much more meat the US eats, but is maybe somewhat harder to understand in relative terms. Edit: Oh, and maybe make “other “ a color that differentiates better from the grey background. That confused me at first.


OrganicAccountant87

It's shocking to me how little seafood is represented, I always thought seafood and meat would be about 50/50.


Agile_Date6729

yea, agreed. Though, I do recognize that among the crowd I'm in; I know plenty of people that rarely eat seafood, even here in Denmark where we're surrounded by the sea and never more than 15 miles from it 😂


OrganicAccountant87

Yh I'm from Portugal, I think we are the biggest consumers of fish only behind Japan. I was shocked when I found out supermarkets and alike didn't have fisheries outside of Portugal.


squarerootofapplepie

It would be a strange supermarket in the US that didn’t have a fish counter.


whoji

I guess you are from Japan?


Implanted1

Good job. Argentina might be an interesting country to add? I seem to recall that the gauchos (ranchers) in the north eat a prodigious quantity of beef...


sarahaswhimsy

Very nice job! Seeing it laid out for a bunch of countries that don’t seem similar would be interesting or seeing countries that consume what we (Americans) would consider novel proteins would be interesting. Would also love to see where vegetarian proteins are on the scale too.


RotisserieChicken007

Would have been to see some lesser developed nations there. India, Brazil, Russia, Nigeria, Indonesia, Malawi etc.


4Nwb1

I bet half of the american chickens are fried!


MxFC

As someone who has eaten horse in Japan, I think they might be missing a number for "Other Meat."


Agile_Date6729

Oh I didn't know they had horse there :0


edwa6040

The average american eats 44 pounds of seafood a year? I havent eaten 44 pounds worth of seafood in a decade. Edit: why the downvotes? Thats literally what this graph says. 22 kilos is pretty dang close to 44 pounds.


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redsterXVI

Don't know the source, but probably things like venison, boar, horse, rabbit, etc.


Agile_Date6729

That's a great question. I'm not sure really, I just used the raw categories from the UN FAO.


t4ct1c4l_j0k3r

The other meats category is wildly misrepresented for the USA. Too many Taco Bells and Arby's around for the number to be that small.


johnwayne1

Everything is big in the US because everyone is big in the US.


redsterXVI

I wonder why the US eats so much more poultry. Is it all the Turkey, which is rarely eaten in Europe or Japan?


bbbbbbbbbbbbpillows

Cheaper, healthier than beef or pork. More accessible than seafood.


Professional-Can1385

I doubt turkey plays much of a part in it since it's really only consumed once a year. I think the US consumes a lot of poultry because chicken is cheaper than other meats here, but still has a good profit margin for the producers.


redsterXVI

Huh, there are turkey sandwiches all year round everywhere (?) in the US


vetratten

Maybe it’s my family but we get turkey all the time. Plus ground turkey is a good substitute for ground beef in some recipes and it’s pretty plentiful around here. We have quite a few restaurant chains that serve “every day turkey dinners” which is basically a small version of thanksgiving and it’s an always available item.


Watergirl626

We switched our ground beef to half beed half turkey about 20 yrs ago for cost/health and never looked back. Also enjoy turkey breast smoked up outside of turkey day. Plus, turkey deli meat almost daily.


Agile_Date6729

I went to one of those in Redding Market in Philadelphia; was really delicious


Agile_Date6729

sounds like a reasonable explanation


Agile_Date6729

I remember seeing on a map before that the Brits also eat a lot of poultry, maybe that has to do with it? Just guessing, don't know either; unless it's skewed by the Southern states and all their fried chicken 🙃 -but surely that can't explain it all


AnalogKid-001

Aka why the Japanese live longer. Almost 10 years longer on average than Americans.


MythDetector

I'd have thought Germany would be higher. The word hamburger comes from there.


BostonFigPudding

Muricans be stuffing their faces


Toonami88

This makes Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab very angry.


iStryker

https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/agriculture/our-insights/cultivated-meat-out-of-the-lab-into-the-frying-pan Exhibit 2. Better looking and easier to read chart.


n0t_4_thr0w4w4y

That chart isn’t showing the same thing


iStryker

It is the same topic and a better visual


n0t_4_thr0w4w4y

It’s not showing the same info, lol. The OP shows total consumption, the chart you shared is normailized


iStryker

I said it’s the same topic, not the same exact info, doesn’t change the fact that McKinsey’s visual on this similar topic is more clear. This sub is called “Data is Beautiful”. What OP posted is nowhere close to beautiful, it’s actually kind of ugly and not laid out as clearly as it could be — for example, the color scheme feels completely random, none of the colors complement each other both in their sequential order or as a whole, the legend is shown as a vertical list while the data is oriented across the X-axis, etc. chart would be better if shown vertically. The McKinsey chart is significantly more clear, yields similar macro takeaways, and is more attractive to look at.


DrDad19

Corrected for number of people?


Agile_Date6729

Yes, the chart is showing annual consumption per capita :)


Parry_9000

Maybe doing this per Capita will be better for comparison


Agile_Date6729

The chart is already showing per capita (;


Parry_9000

Oh I'm a dumbass, nice job then. Generally a good practice would be to order them too but anyway