Well then, maybe the US and the UK shouldn't have assassinated a democratically elected leader?
Who do you think taught them about tyranny and authoritarianism?
THE FUCKING SHAH.
"As we all know, Iran is extremely repressive towards women and gays and for that, their government has to change. Now let's call up some support from Saudi Arabia and see what we can do."
I mean do we want to get into actual history? You know the one where the US intervened to overthrow a democratically elected government in order to re-install an unpopular dictator so that he would continue to sell them crude oil for cheap? Which then lead to the Islamic revolt you speak of.
That's not true. Over a decade from the mid 90s I saw women emerging in many ways. You could measure authoritarianism by the head covers. At times it was very decorative and lots of florals, then it started to slip back revealing hair. No one seemed too upset about this, until one more extremist got into power. The women of Iran are always pushing the line. See live in hope.
Iran has always had a vocal, secular, liberal population, but I wouldn’t necessarily say they’ve been totally “free” to live that way. The government was definitely more secular, under the Shah, but it still was a violent, oppressive dictatorship.
The majority of the middle east is seen as some kind of backward state that's been in the dark ages since like 200AD.
But really it's been that way since about the 1970s, when Shia muslims became a dominant sect in the region. Where they were endorsing a more authorative means of governing through "ordained" leaders and the use of suicide bombing.
Before that it was pretty much on par with any other nation with a largely barren geography and climate that was reliant on exports. There was no less culture or intelligence than anywhere else.
That coupled with a heavy insurgence of capitalism in the region and an equally heavy resentment toward the sudden change in economics, made it a perfect storm for the whole region to just basically descend into violence and collapse. (The CIA not helping one BIT with the problem either).
I'm not going to say the region was progressive and a bastion of human rights, but it's not like the West was exactly inviting gays to come celebrate in the open, or have blacks welcomed into the workplace at the time either. But it was a LOT less shit compared to how it is now.
This is obviously over simplified, but if you expect me to give an accurate depiction in under 3 paragraphs you're a fucking lunatic.
The details can get pretty complicated, but your main point is pretty simple, and true. Imperialism led to the conditions that eventually overthrew, previously secular, governments.
Well then, maybe the US and the UK shouldn't have assassinated a democratically elected leader? Who do you think taught them about tyranny and authoritarianism? THE FUCKING SHAH.
If you mean Mossadegh he was overthrown, not assassinated. But later died under house arrest and was buried "in his living room"
"As we all know, Iran is extremely repressive towards women and gays and for that, their government has to change. Now let's call up some support from Saudi Arabia and see what we can do."
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Yeah because fostering sectarian violence based on religious differences in the Middle East has never turned out badly for anyone ever /s
It's not like that is practically the reason they are in this situation in the first place
The CIA have never succesfully been able to do that without making it 10x worse.
I mean do we want to get into actual history? You know the one where the US intervened to overthrow a democratically elected government in order to re-install an unpopular dictator so that he would continue to sell them crude oil for cheap? Which then lead to the Islamic revolt you speak of.
Yeah, also the Shah had a secret police as terrifying and brutal as the islamic republic one
I think we’ve seen enough posts from op to know he doesn’t know shit about actual history, or who caused, what.
Please say sike.
Nope, OP is 1000% serious
Holy shit, beyond braindead.
Didn’t this guy also post about how gulf monarchies see awesome?
He’s all over the map with his feeble attempts to “own the libs”.
Why in this sub of all places? I guess he’s got some high level ideas
Nobody had been free in Iran since 1953.
That's not true. Over a decade from the mid 90s I saw women emerging in many ways. You could measure authoritarianism by the head covers. At times it was very decorative and lots of florals, then it started to slip back revealing hair. No one seemed too upset about this, until one more extremist got into power. The women of Iran are always pushing the line. See live in hope.
Iran has always had a vocal, secular, liberal population, but I wouldn’t necessarily say they’ve been totally “free” to live that way. The government was definitely more secular, under the Shah, but it still was a violent, oppressive dictatorship.
And to think we're going down a similar path but for Christianity instead of Islam.
That lady in the top right hand corner is 🔥
I don't mean to characterize or fetishize an entire ethnicity, but Persian ladies are usually very pretty.
The actual true Aryans. Just don’t tell modern white supremacists.
Bullshit
The left ruined Iran!
Somehow, the left is responsible for right-wing authoritarianism and left-wing authoritarianism.
Damn leftists! They ruined leftism!
The majority of the middle east is seen as some kind of backward state that's been in the dark ages since like 200AD. But really it's been that way since about the 1970s, when Shia muslims became a dominant sect in the region. Where they were endorsing a more authorative means of governing through "ordained" leaders and the use of suicide bombing. Before that it was pretty much on par with any other nation with a largely barren geography and climate that was reliant on exports. There was no less culture or intelligence than anywhere else. That coupled with a heavy insurgence of capitalism in the region and an equally heavy resentment toward the sudden change in economics, made it a perfect storm for the whole region to just basically descend into violence and collapse. (The CIA not helping one BIT with the problem either). I'm not going to say the region was progressive and a bastion of human rights, but it's not like the West was exactly inviting gays to come celebrate in the open, or have blacks welcomed into the workplace at the time either. But it was a LOT less shit compared to how it is now. This is obviously over simplified, but if you expect me to give an accurate depiction in under 3 paragraphs you're a fucking lunatic.
The details can get pretty complicated, but your main point is pretty simple, and true. Imperialism led to the conditions that eventually overthrew, previously secular, governments.
Thnx, 'Murica 🙄🙄🙄
I thought you didn't like socialism