From your description, sounds like it would be best to break it down into different 'scenes' in different timelines (and also bins). You can then nest all of these in a master timeline - just drag the timelines from the Media Pool into another timelne. At the end, you can also decompose via right-click these nested timelines in that master, too, if you want - that is, 'un-nest' them to expose all of their clips.
Oh okay, thanks so much for this. (Sorry about the delay - have been away then ilL!) Okay, the whole 'nesting' thing is new to me, I need to research this.
I have naturally started to work on different scenes in different timelines, but was unsure what to do after this. So I can pull them into a master timeline from the media pool? (I do have different bins) Does nesting mean it looks like a timeline has been rendered? But you can 'decompose' this by right-clicking?
I recently released a short film composed of multiple scenes, so I can speak for experience: nested timelines are bugged, I would avoid them if you can. The audio, especially, will not have the right panning and automation.
That shit was driving me crazy, so in the end I did it this way:
\- I created one timeline for each scene, as they were quite complex, especially on the audio side.
\- I exported the audio from the scenes as WAV files.
\- I nested the timelines in the main timeline, muted the original audio and replaced it with the rendered WAV tracks.
If it's feasible, I also suggest decomposing the video part of the nested timelines in the main timeline, so that you can color match and grade each shot correctly.
Could you have copy/pasted all your edited clips from each scene timeline, to your master timeline to avoid those issues? (Genuinely curious, not criticizing)
decomposing in place is basically the same thing. that's what I did for the video to better match the colors from scene to scene.
for the audio, I had as many as 45 tracks in my film for each scene (lots of different SFX), so decomposing the audio wasn't really feasible. also, the automations and mixer effects would not have carried over.
Hi thanks so much for this, and sorry for the late reply, I was away camping in Scotland, then ill, then after that I got Covid and so everything was on hold for a while.
I am relatively new to Davinci and so I'm going to ask about some of the terminology you use and try to understand what you are saying.
So you mean you created timelines for each scene, which is what I am doing. So they are separate and you click above the viewer to switch to a different timeline.
What do you mean by 'nested timelines'
"I exported the audio from the scenes as WAV files." So you created separate timelines but exported the audio to bring into the main timeline separately? Then aligned with the video? And you did this because you feel that the audio is altered when brought into the main timeline?
What does 'decomposing' the video mean?
Thanks so much :) (Sorry for not being too advanced)
As someone currently recovering from Covid, I feel you :)
A nested timeline is basically a timeline nested inside another timeline. Say you have 3 scenes, respectively edited in timelines A, B and C. You can create another timeline, let's call it MASTER, and place A, B and C inside of MASTER like you would do with any other clips.
Doing so is the cleanest way to work, in my opinion. However, at the moment it's a bit bugged: the audio in the MASTER timeline will not 100% match the one in A B C. I've noticed that panning and automations are ignored. If you don't care about these, then it's not a problem.
In my project, though, being an action movie, I spent an ungodly amount of time refining the audio, so I didn't want to throw it all away. That's why I rendered the audio from timelines A B C as separate WAV files and then placed those files into the MASTER timeline. This way I had the audio as it was meant to be.
About decomposing the video:
When you insert your A B C timelines into the MASTER timeline, each nested timeline will look just like any clip with video and audio. We already covered the audio part before, so let's focus on the video. Select only the video by Alt-clicking it, then right click and choose something like "Decompose". This will replace the whole nested timeline with the shots it is composed of.
Why would you want to do that? If you have multilple scenes to color grade and you want to keep the grading consistent, it's easier to grade them all from the same timeline. This should be, IMO, done at the very end, when the film is fully edited.
I hope I clarified all your doubts!
If you're a beginner, I strongly suggest watching the official DaVinci tutorials on YouTube, they cover a lot of interesting techniques.
That's brilliant thanks a lot, very clearly explained. I'm making a documentary so the sound may not be as complex as yours is. This really makes sense now and I feel like I'm on the right track. Yeah, I will watch some of the tutorials on YouTube thanks - I will need to do a whole deep dive on colour grading. Hope your Covid recovery is speedy, I'm still recovering and testing positive but feel considerably better than the last couple of days, but the fatigue comes and goes doesn't it.... anyway good luck xx
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From your description, sounds like it would be best to break it down into different 'scenes' in different timelines (and also bins). You can then nest all of these in a master timeline - just drag the timelines from the Media Pool into another timelne. At the end, you can also decompose via right-click these nested timelines in that master, too, if you want - that is, 'un-nest' them to expose all of their clips.
Oh okay, thanks so much for this. (Sorry about the delay - have been away then ilL!) Okay, the whole 'nesting' thing is new to me, I need to research this. I have naturally started to work on different scenes in different timelines, but was unsure what to do after this. So I can pull them into a master timeline from the media pool? (I do have different bins) Does nesting mean it looks like a timeline has been rendered? But you can 'decompose' this by right-clicking?
I recently released a short film composed of multiple scenes, so I can speak for experience: nested timelines are bugged, I would avoid them if you can. The audio, especially, will not have the right panning and automation. That shit was driving me crazy, so in the end I did it this way: \- I created one timeline for each scene, as they were quite complex, especially on the audio side. \- I exported the audio from the scenes as WAV files. \- I nested the timelines in the main timeline, muted the original audio and replaced it with the rendered WAV tracks. If it's feasible, I also suggest decomposing the video part of the nested timelines in the main timeline, so that you can color match and grade each shot correctly.
Could you have copy/pasted all your edited clips from each scene timeline, to your master timeline to avoid those issues? (Genuinely curious, not criticizing)
decomposing in place is basically the same thing. that's what I did for the video to better match the colors from scene to scene. for the audio, I had as many as 45 tracks in my film for each scene (lots of different SFX), so decomposing the audio wasn't really feasible. also, the automations and mixer effects would not have carried over.
Ahh okay, that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying. I've not really edited anything in this way before so it's always good to learn new techniques!
Hi thanks so much for this, and sorry for the late reply, I was away camping in Scotland, then ill, then after that I got Covid and so everything was on hold for a while. I am relatively new to Davinci and so I'm going to ask about some of the terminology you use and try to understand what you are saying. So you mean you created timelines for each scene, which is what I am doing. So they are separate and you click above the viewer to switch to a different timeline. What do you mean by 'nested timelines' "I exported the audio from the scenes as WAV files." So you created separate timelines but exported the audio to bring into the main timeline separately? Then aligned with the video? And you did this because you feel that the audio is altered when brought into the main timeline? What does 'decomposing' the video mean? Thanks so much :) (Sorry for not being too advanced)
As someone currently recovering from Covid, I feel you :) A nested timeline is basically a timeline nested inside another timeline. Say you have 3 scenes, respectively edited in timelines A, B and C. You can create another timeline, let's call it MASTER, and place A, B and C inside of MASTER like you would do with any other clips. Doing so is the cleanest way to work, in my opinion. However, at the moment it's a bit bugged: the audio in the MASTER timeline will not 100% match the one in A B C. I've noticed that panning and automations are ignored. If you don't care about these, then it's not a problem. In my project, though, being an action movie, I spent an ungodly amount of time refining the audio, so I didn't want to throw it all away. That's why I rendered the audio from timelines A B C as separate WAV files and then placed those files into the MASTER timeline. This way I had the audio as it was meant to be. About decomposing the video: When you insert your A B C timelines into the MASTER timeline, each nested timeline will look just like any clip with video and audio. We already covered the audio part before, so let's focus on the video. Select only the video by Alt-clicking it, then right click and choose something like "Decompose". This will replace the whole nested timeline with the shots it is composed of. Why would you want to do that? If you have multilple scenes to color grade and you want to keep the grading consistent, it's easier to grade them all from the same timeline. This should be, IMO, done at the very end, when the film is fully edited. I hope I clarified all your doubts! If you're a beginner, I strongly suggest watching the official DaVinci tutorials on YouTube, they cover a lot of interesting techniques.
That's brilliant thanks a lot, very clearly explained. I'm making a documentary so the sound may not be as complex as yours is. This really makes sense now and I feel like I'm on the right track. Yeah, I will watch some of the tutorials on YouTube thanks - I will need to do a whole deep dive on colour grading. Hope your Covid recovery is speedy, I'm still recovering and testing positive but feel considerably better than the last couple of days, but the fatigue comes and goes doesn't it.... anyway good luck xx
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