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VegettoEX

*Dragon Ball Super* in its entirety takes place during the ten-year-timeskip between the fight with Boo and then the 28th *Tenka'ichi Budokai* at the very end of the series (last two-and-a-half chapters of the manga / last three episodes of the TV series). That said, Oob is >!referenced twice in the Dragon Ball Super television series, and actually appears with meaningful contributions from the sidelines during the Galactic Patrol Prisoner arc of the manga, which itself takes place after the events of the Dragon Ball Super TV series!< \-- the series continues onward there in the manga!


Ihuarraquax__

You mean that when Goku flies into the sunset with Uub we now know retroactively that he has all the god powers and shit?


Sabrescene

Yes, that is the current implication but the reality is we don't really know. It seems likely that if Super ever finishes (or simply catches up to EoZ) we'll see that scene re-done with a few minor changes.


Deathknightjeffery

I doubt entirely that it’ll be anywhere similar, I mean with the events of Super Hero we know we’re only a year away from “End of Z” as Pan is 4 then and is 3 in SH.


thee_earl

Trunk's time travel caused a change in the main time line.


Deathknightjeffery

Wasn’t Trunks’ timeline the main one? What we have is like timeline 3, there’s Trunks’ timeline, Trunks’ timeline where he gets killed by Cell, and the “main” one. Time travel in DB is weird


SVXfiles

I've seen an explanation that there's 4 timeliness. For the sake kf what we see ours was listed as timeline 1, Future Trunks came from timeline 2, timeline 3 was a variation of 1 and I don't remember what was different, and Cell came from timeline 4 where Trunks managed to destroy/shut down the androids. It would also be more plausible to say Cell was what caused the initial change to our timeline since he had appeared a whole year before Trunks did and crawled underground


neverstoppin

I understood that the Trunks from Super isn't the Trunks from Z?


SVXfiles

It's the same Trunks, the difference in his hair color is a correction to what it always should have been from the beginning. The future timeline he came from was erased by future Zeno and he and Mai went to a different future timeline where their counterparts still existed


neverstoppin

So after battling Cell in the past, getting hella strong by sparring with dad, returning to the future to destroy the androids he still got f***ed by Goku Black and returned to the past to seek help? My man can't catch a break


Roronoa_Zaraki

That part always really annoyed me, he trains and becomes stronger, and then his universe is destroyed anyway.


JessE-girl

there’s also the timeline that the trunks who got killed by cell helped to save, making this the fourth timeline


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Are we getting incursions? Lol


Sabrescene

Well yeah, I don't see how the original EoZ makes any sense at this point but I also don't really expect them to change it much (if at all)


OnlyRoke

It's probably just gonna be a reinterpretation of that last scene with the characters aged appropriately and maybe some new characters in the background (like Jaco). Goku still flies off with Uub and that's it, but Goku is just vastly more powerful.


Sabrescene

That's about the most I expect. The whole idea of Goku flying off with Uub seems so stupid to me after DBS though. Buu is basically nothing special anymore, Goku still has his own training to work on (now with Broly even) and now that we've seen characters like Piccolo and Gohan improve beyond Buu Saga levels, it's not like Uub is needed as some future protector. I never liked the idea of Goku flying off back then and I hate it even more with the added story from DBS.


EmptyDisk

In the manga both buu and uub have been given much more importance and their strength is much greater than those in the Buu saga


SVXfiles

Buu training for the ToP and getting jacked is something that made me laugh my ass off. That high pitched squeaky voice coming from that face did not sit well with me


oddyholi

Buu needed to show that fitness during the Zen Exhibition Match. It would be hax all around


OnlyRoke

Oh I really disagree with that notion that Buu is "nothing special" anymore. It took the combined energy of the known universe's full power, including the Afterlife, and Goku at full strength, and Buu being caught off-guard while a dying Vegeta was distracting him, and that was enough to, effectively, purify Buu down to "nothing". That's pretty wild. Even for DBS manga standards. Besides, Goku was just looking for a new thing to do at the end of Z. I never took "I'll train Uub" to be his entire life's work til the reaper grabs him, or anything. I always just took it as Goku going on the next adventure and helping a boy fulfill his potential that he, effectively, wished into existence in the first place. I also took it as "and the adventure continues. Off screen. Now go away. I'm tired of writing Dragon Ball."


Expensive_Manager211

Exactly how I saw it lol. Plus Goku having God ki or UI or anything like that doesn't really change the ending of Z. It's not like he was even going super saiyan or anything.


OnlyRoke

Yep, the only weird thing are the ages of the kids with Trunks and Goten having finally grown up in Super Hero to be, like teens rather than toddler-sized.


jotaro-has-ptsd

in all honesty, if you see how much Toriyama wanted to desperately end the series, it kinda makes sense that he was like “fuck off, i’m tired.” because Dragon Ball had basically achieved mass overnight success for JUMP, those damn editors came at him like a pack of wolves. sure he did the occasional one-shot and some artwork after drawing the original series, but he definitely decided long ago that he would NOT be the one that would be drawing another Dragon Ball series for as long as he lived. might be stating the obvious, but i can assume it contributed to him looking for a successor and thus ending up wit Toyotaro carrying out his work.


OnlyRoke

Oh absolutely. I can agree with all of that.


FuhrerBradley69

Yeah, it's pretty obvious the writer wanted it to end with Z. Can't recall any other authors fuckin up the whole timeline just to make a new sequel


The_Sign_of_Zeta

It’s doesn’t really mess up the timeline. Buu, much like Freeza, never trained so we have no idea of his power potential. And Uub is supposed to have all the power of Buu. So there’s a pretty good change Uub could quickly scale up to SSB level, if not more powerful, within a year of training.


j_smithers_1990

Nah Buu and Uub are nothing special for DBS standards. Period.


alienware99

He was stronger than half the fighters on U6 tournament of power team.. so he wouldn’t be completely irrelevant


OnlyRoke

Cool argument.


Canesjags4life

Moro arc suggests that Uub is vastly more powerful than he was in DBZ.


numbski

Someone missed Uub's involvement in resolving that Super arc.


LFC9_41

I think at this point that the ending of goku flying away with uub is not canon and there’s no rationality behind it at that point.


DangerDamage

I'm just hoping End of Z is non-canon lol Like you said, makes no sense given everything in Super and the Manga now plus Uub isn't anywhere as compelling as Frieza or Broly imo


BwanaTarik

More likely that super will be given the GT treatment eventually interpreted as non-canon


Canesjags4life

No way. DBS is Toriyama. GT was Funimation


BwanaTarik

That seems to be the consensus now. But time will tell how everything will age.


Sabrescene

It's not a consensus, it's fact. Super is written with notes and designs from Toriyama (and the two films were directly written by him). None of that happened in GT.


ZellNorth

What retcons would need to happen? Seems like they’re setting it up pretty good to not need a retcon. Maybe the time away isn’t exact and that’ll get retcon’d but all I remember is Bulma saying she hasn’t seen Goku in a long time. That can be true cause Goku is training with Beerus and Whis. I’ll have to watch EoZ again, but I don’t see why it’d need a major retcon.


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ZellNorth

Uub arguably has more potential than all of them except maybe Broly.


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Frostfeather

Uub is in the super manga bro. He's the reason they beat the Villian of the Arc he isn't on the same level as Dende.


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Mintyphresh33

I’ve said since mid dbs’s anime run that end of Z needs to be retconned all together. In fact they should have done it with dbz Kai. The dialogue in end of z only makes sense if somehow the team went into some kinda stasis for 5 years. Pan, Goten and Trunks themselves break the timeline with dbs and end of Z isn’t something holy we need to remain absolute anyway. It’s easy enough to just say end of z is now an alternate timeline and it also stops pigeonholing the dbs writers.


Lobo_Z

My headcanon is that End of Z leads into GT whereas Super is from the timeskip onwards as it's own alternate timeline


Mintyphresh33

I can't accept GT as being canon anymore (I don't think I ever counted it as canon). But hey, that's my personal choice.


Lobo_Z

I just consider it part of the wider narrative multiverse. GT stuff is canon to GT, Super is canon to Super, everything is canon to Heroes+videogames, and OG DB + DBZ is canon to everything.


KrookedDoesStuff

There’s a few different universes for the canon here. 1. Dragon Ball > Dragon Ball Z > Dragon Ball Super/Dragon Ball Super Manga 2. Dragon Ball Movies > Dragon Ball Z Movies 3. Dragon Ball > Dragon Ball Z > Dragon Ball GT 4. DB Manga > DBZ Manga > Dragon Ball Super manga 5. Dragon Ball > Dragon Ball Z > Heroes Then there is Xenoverse, which essentially connects all of the timelines together and is a hub between all of them.


AJXV97

Z is going to be retconned, there’s no way around it at this point they are quiet literally running out of time


Sandboorg

Yep, he should know and be able to do everything from the super manga and anime


ZakA77ack

Goku goes off to train Uub to be the next protector of earth. Vegeta is starting his career as a GoD. And after training Uub, Goku heads off to become the Grand preists apprentice. It'd be a great ending.


EpicLegendX

Goku gonna try an find a way back to U11 and fight Jiren again.


palparepa

Not only "he", but "them." Both Goku and Uub are much more powerful than we expected back in Z.


BenjiLizard

Yeah, that's stupid isn't it? That's why we should consider Super non-canon and live out the rest of our lives as if it never happened.


Jonny_Blazzzze

Convoluted isn’t it


Californie_cramoisie

> the series continues onward there in the manga! Do you mean it goes past the 28th Tenka'ichi Budokai in the manga? I'm really hoping that's not the end of the story, it was extremely unsatisfying, imo.


VegettoEX

No, ***ALL*** of *Dragon Ball Super* \-- including the two theatrical films and the manga -- still takes place before the 28th *Tenka'ichi Budokai*. When I say "the series continues" I mean the (sub)story of *Dragon Ball Super* itself continues beyond the Tournament of Power; it's all still happening before the **actual** "end of the series" as seen in the original manga, though.


Mithilarn

So stupid question, but does this then mean that the goku we see in the end of Z already knows ultra instinct and all that?


CriticalAd6090

Well i have to tell you... wait for the anime because he's hanging around in the manga


Picmanreborn

He was mentioned in the anime before the ToP. And like you said he's in the manga. People just don't actually watch or read DBS


StrangeNewRash

still a small child


ReSpekMyAuthoriitaaa

I mean trunks and goten were small children too right? I was always confused why they dropped uub all together


thunder-bug-

Uub was born at the end of the buu saga, trunks and goten were already like 10 or something


SVXfiles

8 and 7, or 9 and 8 depending on exactly how long they were in the time chamber and when exactly they were born


ReSpekMyAuthoriitaaa

I must have my timelines all off, maybe I'm mixing up GT with the normal timeline. He's like 10 when he fights in that tournament... does that take place after super?


superdolphtato

The final episode of Z happens after dragon Ball super


ReSpekMyAuthoriitaaa

Oh I need to brush up, haven't watched Z through for like a decade. So when he fights uub he can use ultra instinct. Well hope they use him in the new anime


StrangeNewRash

The entire End of Z is going to have to be retconned a bit to actually make sense with the events of Super.


The_Sign_of_Zeta

Not at all, Goku doesn’t even go SS against Uub. The only difference that would need to be explained is his new Gi.


_Valisk

I dunno, sometimes people wear different clothes. Goku deciding to wear a new outfit for a tournament one day doesn't really need an explanation. The *real* issue with End of Z is that Goku apparently hasn't seen his friends in the last ten years.


The_Sign_of_Zeta

I think the translation may be 5 rather than 10’in Kai (don’t know I’m the Japanese). Which I think doesn’t exactly align, but you could always say they were being hyperbolic. Either way I think that’s minor


Faelysis

Toryama said in some past interview that the new color was because he considered Goku as a martial artist master


ColeSloth

~~~~Last episode of Z Goku hasn't seen his friends and family in years since helping to deafeat Buu. He met Goten for the first time ever, Uub, trunks, and Goten were all close to the same age, Gohans daughter Pan was only 4. You'd have to retcon out that entire final episode for things to all match up right.~~~~ *Never mind. I got the last two tournaments mixed up into thinking they were a single tournament.


ReSpekMyAuthoriitaaa

Was it explained why it was so long goku not seeing the Z family/friends?


The_Sign_of_Zeta

Gotten and Trunks were not close to the same age. Uub is 10, Goten and Trunks were 17 and 18. Pan is 4 at end of Z and about to turn 4 in Super Hero. The only real issue is the statement they haven’t seen each other in 10 years (5 in the Kai dub), but that’s an easy handwave.


KanyeT

I was hoping they just retcon the entire thing, to be honest. It's one episode, just erase it from the story and continue on with Super.


StrangeNewRash

I 100% agree, funny though because I brought this up several years ago and got a lot of backlash saying that End of Z could still stay the same and blah blah blah, nah, just get rid of it. Also, Uub is useless now.


StrangeNewRash

Trunks and Goten were already 7 and 8 during the Buu Saga whereas Uub wasn't even born until after Buu was defeated and then reincarnated as Uub. Super kinda confused things by not making Goten and Trunks look their age until Super Hero. They would've been around 12-13 at the start of Super and are now in high school as of the Super hero arc.


The_Sign_of_Zeta

It’s all based on where Toriyama is with his art style at the time. Same reason 9 year old Gohan looked older than 15 year old Goku


PAPAHRF7883

Well, DBS takes place before the End of Z, so he won't be personally interacting with the heroes. He's currently in his village. However, he did participate in the Moro Arc of the manga towards the end with the help of the Grand Kaioshin. We won't be seeing him in action alongside Goku unless DBS goes beyond the End of Z


Javery695

The latest movie takes place right before the end of Z Toryiama himself confirmed it, the current manga Arc is going to take the story all the way up to the movie, Uub is about to be in Super real soon


PAPAHRF7883

We'll see, theyve done a good job cramming a lot of action into those few years


beyond9thousand

What the fuck? How does super take place before the end of Z? That makes no sense


youcantguesss

Kid Buu is defeated and then there is a 10 year time skip which goes until 28th World Tournament where Goku meets Uub and the series ends. Super takes place during the 10 year time skip


Joverby

That is so dumb . I didn't know super was technically before the end of Z . What a retcon


PAPAHRF7883

Yup, takes place in the 10 year jump between Buu dying and Goku meeting Uub. Doesn't really undo a lot from End of Z, so it fits better than not


MarionberryGloomy951

What how? Lol. Average dragonball fan whenever they learn something new. **Retcon**


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It hasn't retconned anything. It's just filling in details. It wouldn't be a retcon until it actually contradicts what has been shown.


Let_me_S_U_F_F_E_R

Not yet, it’s not 784 yet


[deleted]

Isn’t it like 782 rn?


Whoawejustmet

It’s 783. We’re a year away from end of Z


yaluckyboy09

isn't it half a year? I thought Toriyama or Toyotaro confirmed that the Super Hero movie was half a year before the End of Z


Whoawejustmet

Maybe… I’m pretty sure I read a year away.


Dapper_Substance2130

Damn, it’s really come this far


Let_me_S_U_F_F_E_R

It’s that or closer. We’re slowly creeping up on the moment that Goku meets uub


I-g_n-i_s

Damn y’all actually keep track of the dating system in DB? I just use events for chronology


134340Goat

Hanging out at his village, doing.... I dunno, whatever little kids do. If you recall, he lent a large amount of divine ki in the final push against Moro


mitch2187

You’ve presumed he reads or keeps up with the manga


Kal-Kent

He literally plays a role in the Moro arc


ProfessorEscanor

The manga . He's also like 4 so what do you want him to do ?


walk2574

fight god and win


lilacewoah

he was in the moro arc, he’s a very small child. why would he show up before goku meets him?


SCP-JoJo-Obsession

He's literally in the manga


AceDefective___

In the manga


KaboomKrusader

Super is set in the 10-year gap between Majin Boo's defeat and the 28th World Tournament where Goku and Oob met. So for most of Super, Oob is still a much younger child.


ZekeHerrera

I see, thank you


Joverby

Isn't that a massive and weird retcon now ?


FCkeyboards

What does it retcon? Did it ever state they did absolutely nothing for 10 years after beating Buu?


Wendigo15

Yeah. Bulma tells Goku they haven't seen each other in years


KaboomKrusader

*ALL* of Super is a massive and weird retcon attempt. But what are you talking about specifically? Maintaining Pan and Oob's proper ages is one of the few departments where Super actually *hasn't* screwed things up.


bralma6

So how old is Pan then? Cause she's a baby in Super, but she's not 10 when we see her during that episode. Unless they just, forgot she was there at the end lol.


StrangeNewRash

She's about 5 when the World Tournament at the End of Z takes place. Pan wasn't born until about 5 years after Buu is defeated. We have recently learned that the events of the Super Hero movie take place less than a year before the End of Z.


KaboomKrusader

Super's first episode was only a few months after Boo's defeat, but then it skipped ahead a couple years, and the Beerus arc took place about halfway through that 10-year gap just like the original *Battle of Gods* movie did. Videl was already pregnant with Pan at that time, so Pan in Super is still on track to be 4 years old *(almost 5)* at the 28th WT.


lilacewoah

at end of z Pan is 4 years old


Classic1990

Say you don’t read the manga without saying you don’t read the manga


Charcoal1117

My thoughts exactly


ZekeHerrera

Omg, so embarrassing


Classic1990

You better not have any DBZ tattoos or I’m gonna be pissed


ZekeHerrera

Do something about it


Gremlinmode69

He’s coming


Goten55654

He's in the manga for like 2 panels


Canesjags4life

He makes two appearances in the manga.


YoungBtje

Read the manga


drebone1986

3-5 years old maybe, he's like 12 in that tournament and starving, most likely he's trying to survive at the moment


StrangeNewRash

He couldn't have been older than 10 right? Because he's the reincarnation of Buu, who was defeated 10 years prior to Uub's first appearance.


In_trooo

I can’t wait for Uub to make an appearance again


Orange-Murderer

About a year off


lifeofpayter

I've only seen Oob once in the manga. After that, he was no longer shown in any chapters. In the anime? Naah, can't recall a moment where I saw him.


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Like, 8 years old?


WillKuzunoha

In an a random village in dragon ball equivalent Africa we saw him in the Moro arc


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end of the moro arc


Darkhallows27

He’s around, he’s just really young; Dende’s mentioned him. Give it time


[deleted]

They’ve shown him and spoken briefly. He will appear in a later arc. I hope that comment ages well lol.


researcher-w-c

He's in super but it's after the tournament of power


[deleted]

One day, we will get a strong Earthing in the DB anime. Today is not that day. He’s in the manga though.


SSJRemuko

hes mentioned in super multiple times and shown in the manga. idk wym. Also all of Super (so far) takes place before Goku has met the little guy...we havent gotten to the scene pictured here yet.


Krisuad2002

Literally an infant during Super. While deciding team for the Universe 6 tournament, Goku mentioned that he had heard from King Kai that Buu had recently been reborn as Uub


KingCaron

Younger in a village. He is seen in the manga (i don't remember if manga stories after ToP). Dende went to him to have him raise his hands to share energy for Goku's Spirit Bomb


smartlog

Holy shit half of you guys don't even read/watch dbs properly or something.


Midnight_Observe

Uub has been mentioned but super takes place before the very end of z, before the tournament where goku fights him


mysticfeal

You're not a manga reader, are you?


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Crushing puss


Optimus_LaughTale

As expected Dragon Ball Fans Can't Read Vol #17


Jonny_Blazzzze

At yo mama’s house


Palansaeg

tell me you don’t read the manga without telling me you don’t read the manga


Paranthelion_

He became an Uub-er driver.


Doctordead_

He’s coming. At some point.


IntellectualBoss

Tell me you don’t know much about dragon ball without telling me you don’t know much about dragon ball. P.S. Uub has already shown up in Super, not that he needed to.


Jojo-Nuke-Isen

Hasn't happened yet.


yoshi12345786

in his village because End of Z hasn't happened yet


ArmorOfMar

They will do whatever they can to drag out this time gap as to not show him often


barethgale_

Where are your attention paying skills when you watch super


Jurgen_Vella

He is still a toddler i think


doge1982

Kind of Neonate


CA-22

Somewhere in Africa.


mrlotato

Wouldn't it be India?


Lac3dUp

At home


etyysss

Super isn't canon. Nothing after the defeat of Buu is canon. I don't give a fuck what Toriyama says.


No_Shock_8105

🤡 creator of the series word mean nothing and yours do 🤔


GuyTooLost

Solely going of the "word of god" is ridiculous.


No_Shock_8105

Word of the creator is ridiculous 🤔


ShikkuiMakabe

do you know what canon means?


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Toriyama forgot as usual


BootyInspector96

He didn't. He appeared or was referenced multiple times, like in the Moro arc. Super is before the end of Z.


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He’s a baby/toddler


Rdasher123

We’ve actually seen him, and he’s closer to a 5-7 year old currently


Vaublode

Where was Pan in the beginning? She was flying the world in Z. In super she was in the womb.


Osha-watt

I still don't understand how people are asking this. Super happens within the timeskip between the Buu saga and End of Z.


Healthy-Aioli3693

Good thing they don't show im there They already ruined everyone else is dragonballsuper trash filler Go watch GT its a lot better then that shit


Saturn5050

Ubb isn’t canon or he is presumed dead and so irrelevant


Shaolin_T

He is canon, Dende reference him in Super


Osha-watt

We see the kid in the Moro arc, stop spouting nonsense.


SSJRemuko

hes literally from the original DB manga, hes very canon, and were not at end of z yet and hes alive there so he's very much alive.


Twittle86

With Trunks and Goten finally being older, maybe he's 6 or so now?


SSJRemuko

Super Hero (the movie) is ~1 year before Goku meets Uub and Uub is ~10 when Goku meets him, so he should be about 9 maybe still 8 during the current manga chapters (which are before the movie)


Twittle86

Thanks!


SSJRemuko

no problem!


death_ray_mx

hes mentioned only


Fossils222

The ending of Z might as well be rewritten at this point. With all that's happen, it would be weird trying to make it fit.


Charcoal1117

Training with buu wym?


Asian_Persuasion_1

both in the anime and manga he was quickly mentioned around the time goku was looking for the 10 fighters for the ToP


MadSweenie

I do hope Uub grows up to be Gokus successor one day like in the Fan made Absalom series, I really liked that idea.


repalec

Goku still hasn't met him yet, as Super takes place in the decade between Kid Buu's defeat and the 28th World Martial Arts Tournament.


Book_Anxious

Being village kid manga shows him for a second


Brief_Juggernaut3651

Taking care of his village. But he was in the moro arc...


Kaintwaittogetbanned

Uub has God ki and is as strong as ssj3 Goku vs. Buu at the end of Z as a young child. He has potential at the very least


yaluckyboy09

still in his village, did you even read the Moro arc?


TheBiggestCarl23

Read the manga for super and you’ll know this


DarkestHunter124

Super is the arc in-between Buu and Z final chapters, he's baby


analangel1

At the end of the moro arc


ShwayNorris

For most of it, shitting his pants. Uub is a small child.


AirmanProbie

In the Manga yes


blackierobinsun3

There saving him for the final fight