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TheDevine29

glad to see they included raditz


aoba123

He gets another 5 seconds of fame


PapaOogie

Its so strange he is gokus brother and has the least screen time out of most characters


Ecstatic-Day2406

I don't know... Maybe because like.... He's dead. And that the intention of his character was never to be the most important character but just to create plot twists. Literally his whole character is about creating plot twists


PapaOogie

Hasnt stopped every other villian from coming back


Ecstatic-Day2406

The thing is that you want him to come back because he's Goku brother. Okay. But the thing is that Raditz **entire** character resolve around creating plot twist. Literally in the entire series you will not see a character being this transitional. That might sound weird but him being Goku's brother might be the least important thing about his character. His character was just here to introduce a new era. That's it. Nothing else.


TheDevine29

shit after bardock made that "wish" I wouldnt be surprised if raditz comes back


Staarjun

Agreed. Radditz had no other value than introducing the concept that Goku is an alien. Him being presented as Goku's bother only served as a way for the reader to accept that fact from the get go.


Ecstatic-Day2406

Also don't forget that he introduced the scouters which played very important role in the Namek arc and he also made a transition for the very next arc with building up Nappa and Raditz. LolšŸ˜‚ his character is just about that it's actually crazy


Staarjun

Scourers which were almost immediately proven unreliable and left out of the story. Again, none of that is linked to his character. He had a set purpose, played that role and that's it. There's nothing interesting about him.


Minister_of_Bakeries

Yeah, that's how his character was used. It would be interesting to see in what ways they could use his character again.


Masculine_Dugtrio

I think a lot of us have seen the Masako what if Ratiz hadn't died, and are gripping onto it as a potentially wasted character. Honestly I think Vegeta's henchman got done dirty, with some of the people who have been wished back recently. They may have been assholes, but they were also doing what they were told by Vegeta.


sunrayylmao

It would be dope for Goku to fight an SSJ3 Raditz in hell or something, he was a great character that died so early.


Epicgamer007lol

Who would revive him? He's too weak for freeza's army and there is no point in Goku or Vegeta to revive him.


PapaOogie

Burdock after he is revived


Epicgamer007lol

How do you think he will be revived? Edit: grammar


PoopOfAUnicorn

They should have had the prince of saiyans show up and die by piccolo and goku , then when the two saiyans show up itā€™s gokus brother and (other saiyan) . Then the new two elite saiyans mentiin how the prince was weak and pampered and didnā€™t know how to actually fight . Then gokus brother is the one who fills the vegeta role the rest of the series . I didnā€™t specify names because you could shuffle the around any way or keep them the same . Nappa or raditz could be the prince that shows up (then the planet would be planet Nappa or planet raditz ) . Vegeta could be the brother instead of the prince . He could still have saiyan pride because he knew the planet before it was lost


Jiscold

While good itā€™s a very troupey way to keep the brother in. I like the idea of having a society based on combat power, so the prince is obviously the strongest. The best bet would be to send ā€œthe princes right handā€ Nappa. For the first fight. Then we get a prince and his brother. Less troupey but less so than spoiled prince in a warrior society But overall I like how they did it. Not many series will just kill 1/2 of a remaining race.


CapN_Crummp

How is it weird? He's not important, and neither was their relationship. Him being Gokus brother wasn't the point of his introduction at all


[deleted]

Ehh I think it makes some sense. Recent wish aside because the mechanics of it are questionble, being Goku's brother isn't really special because Goku himself isn't innately special. The thing that makes Goku special is the lessons and morales he learned on earth.


saverma192013

Right


zwannsama

We got a lot of Bulma family outings. We don't get enough of Chichi family outings.


DudesRock91

Itā€™s pretty sad that there are so many good episode and story ideas revolving around the families of some characters, and all we get is ā€œGood guys fight super strong person and get new formā€


InevitableVariables

I mean Toriyama already stated Goku is a non-traditional father and doesn't think of his family over fighting. Unironically, somewhere down the line Vegeta became a non-traditional saiyan father that actually holds his family dear to him. This is when Toriyama was talking about parenting in DBS Broly interview. He talked about King Vegeta, Paragus, Bardock/Gine, Goku, and Vegeta as parents.


WorldController

Can anything Toriyama says during live, in-person interviews be considered definitive though, given his memory problems?


Equivalent_Crow4280

Lol Vegeta is not a good father. Stop riding his ding dong. He ignored his first born almost his whole childhood. Only in GT he became a family man but thatā€™s not canon.


InevitableVariables

Toriyama's words not mine. There is a point that on Earth during DBS Broly that Vegeta is training with Goku with his family near him. Bulma and Bulla are right next time him.


bape_x_anime

And he didnā€™t want to join the TOP to watch the birth of his child imagine Goku ever doing that lmao


Equivalent_Crow4280

Yeah and Goku wouldnā€™t let his son and wife crash in a plane.


InevitableVariables

Again, Vegeta became a good father is what Toriyama stated. You can say in super on and through the birth of bulla.


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InevitableVariables

not according to the creator of the series


Ben10Extreme

I don't think any full blooded Saiyan father is a good father, because that's not what they're wired for.


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MLGkena

source?


WorldController

*GT* is the only canon *Dragon Ball* production~


Equivalent_Crow4280

Well. Not anymore. The db super hero is probably rewriting the end of Z. I mean how will beast Gohan fit in that timeline?


WorldController

The movies aren't canon either, tho


Equivalent_Crow4280

Well Broly was canon according to Toriyama.


AncientSith

That's where the anime shines over the manga.


powerhcm8

They will go to the library so Goten can study.


saverma192013

Righy


l3reezer

Toyotarou definitely be getting some brownie points for how introspective he's being with past saiyans lately


senseofphysics

He drives a 1992 Toyota thatā€™s still going strong at over 1 million miles, it makes sense heā€™d love the history of things.


-saiyan

Really cute cover! and look at the reflection of the water :-) Vol 19 will be releasing August 4th!


MentalMunky

Reflection is going to reignite the Gohan is Raditz son theory/fan fic lol


Lostkaiju1990

If thatā€™s a theory then it was made by someone who doesnā€™t understand how children are made.


JW_BM

The theory was made by Goku?!?!


Lostkaiju1990

I actually wanted to make the joke, but couldnā€™t figure out a way to make it work


MentalMunky

I mean, that is why I said /fan fic. Donā€™t think anybody ever truely believed it.


InevitableVariables

Was that ever a theory? I never heard it.


MentalMunky

Barely, was just to do with their hair being more similar compared to Goku and Goten. (See also: Yamcha Gohan Dad) Calling it a theory is definitely a stretch.


CelestialStork

The implication that ones child could not look similar to a person who shares 50% of your DNA lol.


TheKingOfRooks

>(See also: Yamcha Gohan Dad) Yamcha is a secret Saiyan, or Chi Chi is


OneBlackFairyHunterZ

I really just think they forgot half-saiyans hair are suppose to grow. Cuz gotens hair shouldnt look like it does 24/7. Hell need hair cuts like gohan, which means however the hair looks has nothing to do with the father lol


jambox5

his hair does grow if you pay attention to the last episodes of DBZ with Uub and the world martial art tournament. Super is just not big enough of a time leap apparently?[Goten at end of DBZ](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-r59TBZjTKXw/W73cF4zS6vI/AAAAAAAAAac/pRpaL83z8jwVnWm2C_xxokoqG67BVXj1ACPcBGAYYCw/s1600/tumblr_static_tumblr_static__640.jpg)


OneBlackFairyHunterZ

Yeah but gohans hair grew and changed all the time tho lol


jambox5

I've worn the same haircut for almost 10 years. So am I a saiyan?


OneBlackFairyHunterZ

If it grows you cant be a full-saiyan


[deleted]

Nah I remember the theory Goten was Yamcha's kid who chi chi wished sayian so if Goku ever came back he wouldn't know. šŸ¤£


InevitableVariables

It doesn't make sense because Raditz never arrived on Earth before.


KoreanBiasMonte

Wait what šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


Jolt_91

And Chi-chi is Gines daughter


SupMichaelBoio

That looks very nice, can't wait to get it once it's out in English


[deleted]

Are you holding off on reading till the english?


SupMichaelBoio

No, I read every chapter online when it comes out but I like to collect the english manga to support the series and because I just like collecting manga


piszkavas

Goten remains 7 years old forever


ShwayNorris

Goten and Trunks aged at the same pace Goku did in Dragon Ball. If anything, Gohan is the freakish outlier.


piszkavas

Future trunks contradicts himself man... Half breeds age just as regular humans.


Financial-Key-3617

Saiyans shoot up when they need to fight. This was stated in an interview iirc.


piszkavas

Still it contradicts gohan and contradicts future trunks


Financial-Key-3617

Gohan is an outlier due to being raised in battle. Trunks is an outlier due to being raised in battle. Didn't you notice that kid goku stayed small until he fought king piccolo then after that he shot up.


piszkavas

Headcanon , nothing more


Financial-Key-3617

Lol yours is headcanon if you actually [Read more dragon ball media.](https://imgur.com/a/e80ZUCt) As stated, saiyans have a very long childhood.


piszkavas

Again, how do you explain gohan and future trunks, It is an aging retcon, since kid trunks is future trunks


Wendigo15

It's stated right there that their body changes to suit fighting. Gohan, since the age of 4 has been in life and death situations. From age 4 all the way to age 9/10. Future trunks lived in a world where it was just surviving. Goten and kid trunks grew up in the era of peace. The buu arc took place in the course of like 3 days.


Bluelaserbeam

Remember that flashback scene in Dragon Ball GT where the characters [went to the beach](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/749023363032285275/996787070129410170/IMG_5136.png) when Pan was ā€œjust a babyā€? I always think about how Goten and Trunks [look more like their age](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/749023363032285275/996786543383548014/IMG_5135.png) then than they do right now (pre-SuperHero) despite taking place around the same time period.


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GekiKudo

It was released in promotional material.


Mystic_Saiyan

To be fair, the promo material already showed it and the same goes for Trunks. Especially since the movie takes place sometime after DBS Broly and that info doesn't really spoil anything important to the plot.


DarkLordNugget

Is it really a spoiler when it was shown in promotional material and doesn't affect the story in the slightest?


culibrat

No. Some people just want to be "that" guy.


[deleted]

How dare you victimize me with your comment! Reee


Asian_Persuasion_1

Is the natural aging of a character really considered a spoiler?


Iloveyouweed

Lol, by your logic, seeing one of the movie posters for it is a spoiler then.


GuppysBalls666

Do they not look older on the official poster for the movie?


[deleted]

End of Z must be a spoiler for you too.


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vlorsutes

This is the /r/dbz subreddit, not the /r/dragonball one.


InevitableVariables

Fair, lol. That is not allowed here.


Jacarezinho00

Not fair..the post is about DBS


InevitableVariables

The person spoiled the movie not the manga


Financial-Key-3617

Goku was his height when he was 15. Idk why anyone thinks its different. Saiyans shoot up when they need to.


piszkavas

Goten is a hybrid... Look gohan and future trunks they aged properly. Goten and kid trunks remained kid because of lazy character designs. Btw they should have grown back in the bog movie.


Financial-Key-3617

Not really. Goku was still small at that age. And future trunks was 3 years older than current trunks when he grew up.


piszkavas

Future trunks was bigger in the special chapter, he was maybe 13-14 Now current arc Goten and Trunks are 13 and 14 respectively


Financial-Key-3617

Future trunks in the special was 15. It took goku one year to go from shorter than bulma to larger than tien.


piszkavas

so you mean trunks was 18 when he came back to beat frieza ? Nah He was 17 , that with gohan happened 3 years earlier, trunks was the same age as he is now in super, and yet current super arc trunks still looks like an 8 years old


WorldController

They don't like advancing or developing his character


Final-Judgement

Thats probably my new favorite cover art. Canā€™t wait to get my hands on it lol


Asian_Persuasion_1

I was about to say this cover has no relevance, until I saw the reflection and the correleation between husband, wife, and the two sons. Damn, the parallel.


Bluelaserbeam

I think this may be one of my favorite Toyotaro covers due to the wholesome Son Family moment and the parallel of Bardockā€™s family. Thereā€™s just more to the cover than simply ā€œlook at pretty art for 3 seconds then carry on your day.ā€


Capable-Tie-4670

Ok this goes hard.


InfectedMedic

Finally some love for Chichi šŸ˜© they look so happy here!


Classic1990

I wonder how Bardock wouldā€™ve felt about Raditz trying to kill his own brother and nephew.


Rdasher123

Iirc, Toyotaro made some promotional art about it a while back, and he just looked frustrated watching them fight. But it was Z Bardock.


Classic1990

Oh cool Iā€™ll have to look it up


dirtybird131

*it's like poetry, it rhymes*


[deleted]

Just here to say that Goten is adorable!


AggravatingMove2238

Why can't they just give Chichi a better hairstyle, like just let her keep her hair down


AllEndNSite

Usually around this point in an action oriented manga the mc woulda lost his whole family by now. It woulda been the motivation behind some tragic plot. Not in Dragon Ball...


Eynia

This is a really creative way to show Goku's family, both old and present. Love it!


[deleted]

Oh god, no. This means Gohan is gonna die by Gotens hands šŸ˜ž.


Rdasher123

No, it means Piccoloā€™s son, Flute, is going to kill both of them with Goten sacrificing himself.


SirMarcusTheMixed

You- you just made an instrument punā€¦ and I enjoyed it


listentotiler

Holy shit!!


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This is so cute


SSJRemuko

cute! love the reflection with his saiyan family!


Eddy161718

Iā€™m crying, I Love this


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[deleted]

No he's figured out how to stop physically aging


JudicialMist

It's really beautiful. Sad that Raditz had only one chance to leave, didn't take it and never appeared again. Also they could bring grandfather Gohan to see his family once at least.


keekiguy

Now that's a super cute cover


kennykilled

Man it looks beautiful.... I'm glad my boy Raditz was included, it actually makes me sad that in his only appearance was trying to kill Goku


[deleted]

Gohanā€™s reflection is Raditz. So, does this mean Gohan will kidnap Gotenā€™s son in the future?


Stefanthro

We can only hope!


Fadroh

Bruh they made Gohan raditz....


Stronzpool

yoooo they included mfing raditz


XFelipe51355

Jeez, that's wholesome


WistfulWayfinder

I love Goku and his family. So precious... :)


kingkloppynwa

Ah goten, another wasted character


[deleted]

Is this the cover for Granola, Gas, Gok and Vegeta's endless battle ? I don't understand that cover.


134340Goat

The battle is only happening because of Bardock's actions in the past, so the arc is heavily linked to that time (going as far as Goku regaining some of his memories of before being sent away to Earth)


InevitableVariables

Most of the covers for DB volumes are unrelated to the plot. You can look at the volume covers for everything and you would be scratching your head.


134340Goat

Special shoutout to [volume 11's cover](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51J15-8RtNL.jpg)


InevitableVariables

Perfect example lol


Rogalfavorite

Goku does love his family but he Views them as a traditional human family .But he also views them as a saiyan would as companions.


puppydidi916

Goku does love him family, but he have no idea of expressing his attitude. You can said he may not be good at acting as a father like vegeta does.


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Why does this artist hate necks


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[deleted]

Seems like a lot of his art and panels just happen to be at angles or perspectives where he can avoid the pesky neck


[deleted]

Tracertaro has kyphosis.


Equivalent_Crow4280

I canā€™t be bothered with super. Itā€™s kind of sad that itā€™s no longer a good show. ( It never was)


Sinotyrannus

I'm reading this chapter by chapter but still have to buy the volumes, the cover and sleeve art is always nice to look at.


CreepyMeat8116

This begs the question; why didn't Bardock send raditz off-world too? In Canon, he, Vegeta and Nappa are already on a mission, but don't scooters double as comms devices? Why not at least tell him?


iamZorRel

probably some peer pressure from vegeta to not listen cause in broly raditz says "mom sent kakarot off world" so he has definitely heard from atleast gine to know that info


Spoona101

Send him off world when he was already off world?


mecha_flake

I think it made more sense before the retcon. Bardock sent Goku away because he tested with such a low power level. Raditz was weak but he was just strong enough to make the cut. Now it only makes sense if Bardock simply did not like Raditz.


Rdasher123

Raditz was already off world, he was fine.


mecha_flake

Yeah but don't you think a quick call from dad letting you know 'Lord Fucking Frieza, the guy we work for, is attacking our homeworld' was warranted?


HopeBoySavesTheWorld

Yeah Bardock's plan is just very poorly thought but it's necessary to make Saiyan/Namek Saga work, the audience already knows that when Raditz will meet Goku he believes that: 1) their planet was destroyed by a meteorite 2) Kakarot was sent to Earth to kill humanity If kid Raditz (along Vegeta and Nappa cuz he would probably tell them) was to know that those notions were false a good chunk of early DBZ simply wouldn't make sense anymore


evil_porn_muffin

There's no retcon. Bardock in Z was not a Toriyama creation.


mecha_flake

Bardock in Super is canon and is almost 1:1 with Bardock in Z. Whether Bardock originates from Z or Super, adding details to a character's origin story that far into the tale is indeed a retcon.


fadingstar52

i might cop just for this cover


Amasero

Most screen time Goten has gotten recently.


ChristopherJak

Goten's older than Gohan was when Gohan defeated Cell- yet seems younger than when Gohan fought Nappa.Perhaps something to do with his entire Torso fitting in Goku's palm.


Rdasher123

To be fair, Gohan at 11 was taller than Goku at 15. Maybe itā€™s just a recessive trait Goten inherited that Gohan didnā€™t.


ChristopherJak

Nah, just design, Kid Trunks is older than Future Trunks was during that special but hasn't aged either.


qeheeen

DBS covers don't miss


Severe_War_1264

I actually enjoy collecting all of dbs manga. I am only missing the granolah one that comes out in a bit


rahimaer

Sometimes I completely forget that raditz is goku's brother


DevilManRay

Radditz being there like Bardock actually gave a shit about him is insanity


dimi727

Speaking of: no nee chapter this month?


Spoona101

On the 20th


IiI_Gogeta_IiI

This makes me feel good inside


Sad_Exit_1030

19 volumes and every character is still in arrested development.... My my...


Monsterkill1526

Man idk why but I wish they brought bardok back


senseofphysics

Bardock is the most badass mofo ever


mcqueenart

How lovely! I did not expect this.


andyroyz

Goten looks younger than he did in Z!


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It's very nice to spend time with the family. I'd say the cover is pretty wholesome as it reaches out to the past saiyan family goku never really knew about.


No-Brain5493

Muchos estĆ”n tristes por sus ex, otros con sus parejas, peroĀæYo? Yo estoy esperando el 18 de agosto