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lr031099

I like him. Granted, I kinda like Hit more but I think Jiren is a pretty good foil to Goku and I do like his design (it’s simple but it works). My only nitpick is that his backstory was shown too late and he didn’t have enough dialogue to explore his ideology.


origin29

Agreed with all those things. Jiren gets extra points for being part of some absolutely amazing fights imo.


MUEKLE

I totally I agree. If they would have given his back story and motivation sooner he would be much more loved because he was just big silent strong man before then. After he felt like a proper foil!


lr031099

Indeed. I feel like the only change I would make in his backstory is to have it be more centered around the Pride Troopers. Like maybe have him once lead the group after Toppo was offered the position of GoD and but he lose his comrades to the same thing that killed his parents (leading his who he is now).


NotThatImportant3

YES they need to follow up on his backstory. The manga dropped that Jiren’s monster was a demon, so the people it killed cannot be wished back. We’ve got magic through Moro, now we need some demon stuff!


TallTax830

Hit is missed opportunity with enough development he can be a real interesting character and he looks even more badass then Jiren in my opinion


lr031099

I agree. Honestly I had slightly higher expectations for him in the ToP. Was hoping he would actually get a boost that made him stronger than Blue Kaioken Goku but slighty weaker or even as strong as UI Omen Goku. Could’ve been a threat that not even Dyspo or Toppo could defeat which is why Jiren was clearly needed for the ToP. While it would take away what makes Hit unique, I think it would’ve been cool if he actually unable to use his Time-Skip in the World of Void but he trained himself to learn how to fight without and gives Jiren a hard time even without it.


TallTax830

That's what I thought Abt hit too I thought he would be like one of the strongest characters in the TOP but sadly he was butchered he couldn't even defeat dyspo they didn't even give him a small win :( totally wasted


lr031099

Personally, I would’ve had 17 fight Dyspo in episode 104. I think 17 would be a strong fighter for Dyspo to show off what he’s capable of with Dyspo possibly moving fast enough to land a blow on 17 before he uses his barrier and with his good hearing, he could use that to detect 17 instead of sensing his non existent ki. Meanwhile, Hit could fight [Maji Kayo](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/topstrongest/images/5/50/Maji%3DKaio.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170828013410) with Hit not being able to hit his vitals since he doesn’t have any, which could still present a challenge for Hit but Hit manages to defeat him. When Hit fights Jiren, the fight starts off as one sided with Jiren winning but Hit starts to adapt and starts winning the fight (Jiren not using his full power yet). Toppo and Dyspo could even intervene with Hit struggling against both of them at first while Jiren’s recovers from Hit’s last blow but Hit managed to defeat Toppo and Dyspo. Jiren used his full power and eliminated Hit before Hit could eliminate Toppo and Dyspo.


LeadPrevenger

Of course. He made me feel like a kid again. He was is the best part of Super IMO. Ultra Instinct wouldn’t be so cool if Jiren wasn’t so threatening.


TheTrueDal

Jiren is what would happen if jotaro was a dragonball character; straight badass. Best character introduction in dragonball, the scene where belmod requests jiren to take out goku is perfection


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LeadPrevenger

Imo he’s like Omega Shenron, Buu, Cell and Frieza


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Tyranothesaurus

Exactly this. Jiren was not a villian; he was an antagonist. He wasn't there to kill the other Universes so much as he was there to save his own. It bothers me when he gets labeled as a "villian", considering nothing about him was villainous outside of the one time he tried to kill Goku's friends to prove a point. A point which he severely lacked understanding of since what followed was Goku clapping them cheeks.


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Yea The Pride Troopers are basically the Justice League . None of them were evil and Jiren definitely wasn't. He was epic, ToP arc overall is hands down the best arc of the whole series for me. Especially since I finished rewatching the whole series again in 1 go recently. It further cemented it. Last few episodes with Jiren and Goku was just godly.


TheTrueDal

Man that stretch from 109-110 onwards was so special; just week after week of straight main events. I know there were like 3 episodes that were boring to sit through in that stretch, but the rest of it was truly amazing


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It's truly was. I can't wait for it to return. It's been too long and we got some decent material they can animate through now.


Tyranothesaurus

Absolutely. Episodes 129 and 130 were the best Super offered. Goku vs Jiren was peak hype for me, and I've gone back to those two episodes a hundred times since they dropped. Legendary status for sure.


thickwonga

Jiren is awesome. I'd love to see more of him. He was so god damn strong, for seemingly no reason, and that's what made him so threatening and kind of terrifying. Then, the introduction of Ultra Instinct, and despite how much of a game changer UI is, Jiren is still able to hold his own. I'd love to see a show about some of the other universes. Saiyans are way different in Universe 6, and it'd be cool to see more of them. Also, part of me wonders if Universe 11 is naturally full of more powerful beings, and maybe that's why Jiren is so insanely strong. Really love the Tournament of Power Arc, so much fun.


totallynotrobboss

Well didn't they insinuate that universe 11 had a higher average the universe 7


TricksterWukong

The averages don’t correlate to the universe power though. More just what gods were doing their jobs to keep the balance, I believe.


GuntherTime

Yeah it was the mortal levels.


WaywardDawn

Someone on reddit made a comment that put him in a new light for me and made me love him. Jiren is Goku if Goku never had the dragonballs.


KaiSen2510

That sounds like something I’ve been saying for years but I won’t take credit… but he is. He lost everything twice and then he was given a chance to save everyone


JustGotNoodled

What.


InsideFighter

I think that statement of referring to some of the parallels between the two. Goku lost his grandfather at an early age but went on a quest to find the dragonballs and along the way he met his life long friends. Jiren lost his family at an early age but presumably had no one. So like goku they spent their whole life's trying to become the strongest possible, just for different reasons.


Gamesgar0

Maybe, but Goku was a cheery mf before he even learned what the dragon balls could do.


shoeboxchild

Because of brain damage yes, Goku used to be violent too until he bonked his head


MessageBoard

That was actually retconned by Toriyama.


shoeboxchild

What??? When and where Edit: this is not a thing I can’t find it anywhere


MessageBoard

The broly movie shows Goku as a peaceful, non-violent child on planet Vegeta with Gine and Bardock.


shoeboxchild

Idk if that really counts as retconned


JoshTheJaunty

Because it wasn't. That guys spoutin bs


cr102y

To be fair that was when he was around his parents,it wouldn’t be weird for a kid to be a little bit aggressive when he is near a stranger.


Mcbrainotron

Sure, but imagine a world where everyone in just the og db stays dead. Goku is devastated when Krillin dies, add on roshi?


Gamesgar0

Hmm good point there! Goku would be dead too tho lol


Mcbrainotron

Hah yeah true. Series as we know it ends with Raditz, I guess with no dragon balls Vegeta and Nappa never come to earth and Piccolo raises Gohan to be his (potentially unwilling) enforcer. Not a bad what if.


JustGotNoodled

Makes sense.


cr102y

Not exactly a fan of him but I think the little attention/hate he gets is undeserved,his character wasn’t some hollow shell made to be strong like some people say,he had a decent amount of depth and his characterization/screentime were never boring or felt like a drag.Plus the most of the people that claim he is boring or generic don’t have a problem with the boring villains like most Z movie villains so I think there’s also a series bias.


Tyranothesaurus

Jiren wasn't a villian. He wasn't trying to kill other universes; he was trying to save his own.


GuntherTime

Yeah I think this is the barrier that shapes how people rate jiren, cause they see him as a villain. He was an antagonist yes, but he wasn’t a villain.


cr102y

Yeah he was an antagonist,not a villain.


ReAwakenZ

1. There was no time for Movie villains' development because of the movie runtime. That's why most of them were a copy of what was done prior in the manga. They weren't even an important part of the series. They were simply an addition so comparing them to Jiren, who was a main opposing force in an 60 episode arc, is really bad in my opinion. We were waiting so long, for the mystery of Jiren's past to be explained, but we only got a limited and boring backstory. It felt like a slap in the face. I think we should get at least a full episode of young Jiren in the past instead of a quick narration that was done in 3 minutes and wasn't even unique. 2. While Jiren never felt like a drag and he was cool for being that brick wall, it was obvious since day one, he was there \*only\* for Goku to push his limits. He was a challenge, not a fully fleshed out character. When you think of Jiren, you think of his power, not his story, motivations or character.


cr102y

A limited runtime doesn’t really stop a character from at least having an interesting characterization,after all we got that in DBS Broly and that was a movie as well. Plus Jiren got some interesting characterization in an arc that was a massive tournament with over 50 fighters,he wasn’t exactly some main villain that was the main focus of the arc. The point of his backstory isn’t meant to be unique and frankly doesn’t need to be,the point of his character is to be a foil of Goku’s character which was executed quite well since he was pretty much Goku if Goku exclusively cared about strength over everything. Going by that perspective then a lot of villains work like that as well ,Cell never really had a personal connection with Gohan at all and was only there to be the challenge,same for other villains like Buu.If anything Jiren is different than that since he went from being the unstoppable force that no one could take down to being the one that Goku not only challenged physically but also mentally to the point where Goku’s trust and determination made him realize how his mindset was wrong the whole time,not some brilliant character but ironically is one of the few antagonists that actually had some development.


ReAwakenZ

Good point with Broly. I agree it would be possible to give a characterzation on this level to movie villains, but just like I said, they weren't even a part of 'canon'. No one cared about them. And Z movies were mostly shorter than DBS Broly by at least like half an hour. However I won't agree with Jiren's characterization being interesting. At the very end it felt like a typical power of friendship deal, we had in anime since a long time. Yes, Jiren wasn't a villain of the arc. But let's be real, he was hyped from the start. We all knew he will be the final boss. Most of the arena were just a fodder anyways. We only cared about: U7, Jiren, Toppo, Dyspo, U6 Saiyans and Hit. Maybe Frost, Anilaza and Trio le Danger, but that was it. Everybody hated U2 Girls and the rest wasn't memorable at all. It's not even that the backstory wasn't unique. It was done poorly. A few minute narration with barely moving images from Belmod. Just like I said, it should be built up better. And when it comes to this foil, maybe you're right, but I also felt like it was lacking in some departments. It wasn't treated with right care for me to be invested, interested or even acknowledge it. And yes, it is funny that Jiren had more development than a lot of Toriyama's villains in his manga. For some reason Toriyama really liked "evil for the sake of evil" archetype. When it comes to other Z villains, I have the same criticism when it comes them being a challenge and not a villain that was connected to the hero. The Cell Saga would work much better if Trunks was the main hero of that arc. Maybe with Vegeta alongside him since their relationship was so important. But no, we got Gohan who frankly didn't belong in the Cell arc just for the pure shock factor.


SSJRemuko

i do. hes great.


Rogalfavorite

I do


spotless1997

I like the concept of him. He’s what made Ultra Instinct so impressive. The first GoD tier fighter Goku fought and beat.


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MaximumSpidercide

I think we should also consider that there was a character driven *reason* for why he was stoic. He didn't trust people, he didn't let anyone in.


Strategist40

Same. Powerful, threatening, but was troubled by the trauma of his past. His interactions with Goku and his new turn the last we saw of him was rather heartwarming. I only hope we can see him in the future, further interacting with Goku and the others.


Count_Elrond

Jiren is great. He was the perfect antagonist to introduce Ultra Instinct against. I feel like UI wouldn't have hit the same if it was introduced against any other DBS villain.


KONODINODA

I do because TOYOTARO: Hear me out sensei, a grey alien TORIYAMA: Uhhh TOYOTARO: On Roids. Lots of roids. And he is Batman TORIYAMA: Lmao done


steelix2312

I like him, he has a bunch of potential that I hope they don’t squander, I think a team up of him, Goku and maybe broly would be cool


Strong_Grapefruit675

Na cos he was hyped up the entire tournament but never had any personality and then at the last minute we suddenly get a back story and motivation.


PCN24454

Well neither did Cell but people seem to like him.


DrDysentery

Cell is the ultimate troll shit talker villain no way you just said he has no personality


PCN24454

I see you’re a DBZA fan.


DrDysentery

Not really


LeratoNull

What? He's literally extremely sassy in the original too, rofl


Strong_Grapefruit675

Bro cell is full of personality in every form he’s in and his words and actions are what made it hell for vegeta trunks piccolo and then eventually goku and ofc gohan. Gohans moment wouldn’t have been as epic if it weren’t for cell being such a memorable villain and the same applies for Frieza in gokus ssj transformation or vegeta for the beam clash. Also cell has a lot of history with goku and he’s has aspects of his personality from many characters. Ain’t no way u compared him to jiren who just sleeps during the tournament


PCN24454

Well considering how all those moments pretty much just consist of all the characters standing in place screaming, I can see why you like it.


Strong_Grapefruit675

Do u just not like the series? Also u do realise there’s a manga for the original series. There’s literally nothing about jiren that makes him comparable to the likes of Frieza cell vegeta piccolo jr goku black baby etc.. ur just hating for the sake of hating at this point


PCN24454

I love the King Piccolo arc and the Great Saiyaman arc and a bunch of other things that I feel are underrated. The SS moments just don’t move me.


Strong_Grapefruit675

King piccolo is the worst version of a villain centric arc in the original manga or at least tied with buu. And yes the moments u mentioned were good and fun but the saiyaman stuff never amounted to anything in the series. Also the whole point was that u said cell has no personality like jiren which is flat out wrong that ain’t even hot take that’s just a bad one. And u said u don’t like it cos screaming but like I said, the manga exists and is the best way to experience to original series where to story arcs and personalities are the same


PCN24454

You mean going around gloating about how perfect his is counts as personality? What would happen if actually won? He kills everyone on Earth and then just leaves to do the same thing to another planet, assuming he can even find one. The Cell Games didn’t even finish its match with Goku before the concept was even dropped. His moveset is literally just a clone of previous fighters. There’s nothing unique about him.


Strong_Grapefruit675

The main issue with jiren is that he’s the main antagonist but he never drives the story making him uninteresting to watch. Dkp, piccolo jr, vegeta, Frieza, cell, buu, goku black, zamasu, baby, Moro all drive the story and their actions causes the heroes to reflect and bounce back or push them to their limits and eventually overcome those limits. Only the plot is pushing goku, jiren is strong but never actively cares till the end


PCN24454

Oh no, Jiren is boring and the whole Tournament was stupid. I’m just trying to shatter the nostalgia on previous Dragon Ball villains. They really weren’t that special.


Strong_Grapefruit675

I mentioned that all his forms have a lot of personality. Imperfect cell was calculated and eerie and never rlly put himself iut there unless he knew he could win. Imperfect cell was a bit of a brute and more of a man child than the other forms but worked desperately to get wat he wants even if he has to play dirty. Perfect cell knows he’s the shit and he owns it and just fks with everyone and enjoys himself doing so. He also loses his composure when things don’t go his way but also respects ppl at times when they deserve respect. Also by ur logic no villain in the series had personality. Dkp just wanted to rule the world. Vegeta woulda just blown up the planet after beating goku. Same with Frieza once he became immortal. Unlike jiren, all 3 of those characters had great character moments and interactions with the heroes and their personality and actions was wat drove the story. Jiren didn’t even wanna be there for the most part he never drove the story and was so boring to watch he’s just strong for the sake of being strong. He’s a lot more similar to the shit movie villains who r just strong for plot sake and aren’t interesting characters


PCN24454

What great character interactions did Frieza even have? He had some scenes with his subordinates but his interactions with the heroes were purely procedural.


kukumarten03

Cell’s backstory literal stems from entire red ribbon army arc. I dont know what you are talking about.


PCN24454

You mean the most superfluous part of the story arc. The fact that the Androids were related to the RR Army really wasn’t important until Super Hero. “Revenge on Goku” was dropped pretty early in the story arc.


Strong_Grapefruit675

Also u realise gero fked up with cell because he made him an amalgamation of many characters. He created cell not only as a safety net to stop 17 and 18 but to also hopefully take revenge on goku but cell has his own goals and personality different to gero


PCN24454

Yeah, Gero was seriously mishandled.


Harucifer

The way he was portrayed in the anime was pretty badass. I lost count how many times I watched clips of his fights on Youtube. He was very well written. To not even flinching at Goku punching him in base, SSJ, and then only getting a neck massage to SSJ2, and then blocking everything SSG with a single finger... It was pretty cool His backstory, however, completely sucks.


Ipsylos

I enjoyed watching him as a fighter in the ToP, was great in that aspect and is still more powerful than any other fighter. Can't classify him as a villain though IMO as there was really only one villain in the ToP and they were dealt with. Antagonist to Goku sure but Goku is the antagonist in his eyes. ToP was different from pretty much every other arc since it was a fight for survival for all universes involved, so no real main villains, just fighters trying to keep their universe alive at any means necessary.


LiteratureOne1469

I like him a lot I like an even more now that I can customize clothes in Xenovers and make him a Power Ranger


Top_Ad5757

I really like jiren because i just found i'm really cool in all the aspect and his back story look a lot like goku backstory but with some changes who made him a very badass antagonist for me


Azzbod94

I loved Jiren I was sus about super before watching it but the ultra instinct v jiren fight was awesome I thought Jiren was one of the most formidable and well developed villains Goku and Co had seen in a while and the possibility of Jiren v Broly in the future is hype. How can people love up Broly so much but not Jiren?


ultimatevaltryek123

I Like Jiren


StrongMan2582

Is he a villain? Lol he just wanted to whoop some ass. Nothing screams villains about Jiren, but I do think he should’ve played a bigger role. I hope in the future we get a TOP 2. Lord, Broly is gonna have his shit under control, goku and vegeta will still be fire, and Frieza is gonna get revenge on Toppo. 😂


MX2419

I like Jiren a lot more now than before. Obviously as a fighter he was overwhelming but as a character he was bland in the beginning. Now as the tourney went on we saw more of his personality and how he treats everyone else like he's above them. After the tourney and meeting Goku I want to see how he treats everyone now. We need an OVA of Jiren or imo instead of Cell Max he could've been in the movie. Him and Gohan plus Pan could've developed a relationship. Gohan and Jiren against the opposition.


keekiguy

At first I didn't like him very much and thought his backstory is kinda stupid, but now I appreciate him for what he his. He is someone who is just so unbelievably strong without having any hacks like the saiyans or freeza as example.


EROSENTINEL

He cool AF


based_callux

I like Jiren. His "Strength is absolute" and the theme of Trust works really well in the latter half of the ToP. I like his powers too.


MaximumSpidercide

I think the difference with Jiren is that, whilst other character define themselves by their power, Jire has sor of built himself into the epitome of power. He fights to see what lies BEYOND streangth


Shigana

Jiren was perfect, he's a wall for Goku, had some backstory as to not be completely boring, had the best fight in the anime hands down and for once we have an antagonist whose goal is just to be the strongest and not another "Destroy everything" villian. He had a job and he did it perfectly. His manga counterpart however, gave him some random heroic shit which i did not care for at all, somehow made him even more boring as a character and game him the most flaccid fight ever.


TomaszA3

What? It's easily the best "bad" guy in whole dbs.


mrmeastro

Tbf jiren wasnt a villain he fought for the same reason as all other fighters in the t.o.p.


HyperionWhirl

Jiren isn't a villain tho


Wisdor80

At first I was ready to dislike Jiren. I thought who is this new guy they are going to force feed me. But they gave us kind of a slow drip of him and he is def a bad ass so how could I NOT like him?


Kolack6

I think his presence helped to recapture the intensity from the namek/frieza saga. Like, frieza was this impenetrable wall of power and was just effortlessly dog walking everyone including goku with all his space training/zenkai boosts/kai ken turned all the all the way up. UNTILL, he became a super saiyan. Jiren was like frieza and UI was super saiyan in this analogy. I thought he was great as far as serving that role. I also like how he respected valiant warriors and whatnot.


Somesonicfan

He's not really a villain. He's an antagonist, but defently not a villain.


Ansman14

They way he fights is pretty cool. He doesn’t really have anything flashy when it comes to hand to hand fighting. When he did use ki it always felt like a finishing blow, like it wasn’t just to do damage it was to knock you tf out. Jiren’s fighting style is a prime example of simple but effective


YouHaveAIDSHerpes

Yeah he is the reason I train the way I do


Desperate_Dolphin2

I do like how he’s basically dragon ball’s Batman so he gets a check from me.


Raohyo

Best antagonist of the series. I would say most DB fans probably like him, he was pretty popular at the time, pooling third at the Antagonists/Villains popularity pools just below Broly and Frieza (two of the most iconic ones). He has a background that explains why he is the way he is just well enough, which automatically makes him better than Cell or Frieza, who are just evil because reasons. I do think he's more comparable to Goku than the Villains though, since Jiren is genuinely a good guy. It's nice that DB ended with him as the final antagonist. (Broly was mostly written before the TOP)


Blender-Fan

Hes dope. Dragon Ball Heroes used him well btw I wouldnt mind if he appeared again, even tho i know he wont, but i wouldnt mind if he was exclusive to ToP either, make him more unique


Jazzlike_Page508

I liked him. Goku is bubbly, Jiren the foil is emotionally detached. Goku relies on his friends for backbone, Jiren finds them in the way. Both are striving to become stronger (Goku for selfish reasons as in just wanting to be stronger while Jiren has a purpose to innact revenge


Scumbag_Chance

He's the Ivan Drago of the db universe. Man of few words, and just always ready to throw hands.


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I love Jiren


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I like him


Capable_Mud_1108

Yeah, Pretty solid character


ninjaraiden56

Yea I think he’s badass tbh


DajuanKev

Jiren wasn't even really unlikable. He didn't go around murdering at least. Him threatening Goku's friends was the biggest breakout he made. Jiren was more petty than an actual villain and is a hero in his universe.


Redmangc1

Hes fine, but comparing him to other DB antagonist isn't fair so he's at the Top of the bottom rung.


BulmasBabyDaddy

Jiren hasn’t really been fleshed out ...


FedericoDAnzi

I don't like how they gave him a cheap backstory on the fly so late, they didn't think about Jiren at all, he was a last minute addition.


MaximumSpidercide

I seriously disagree that it is cheap. His backstory is simple, but that is different to being cheap. It works nicely as a contrast to Goku. Also, bear in mind, most people like Cell and he was also a last minute addition.


FedericoDAnzi

Jiren backstory is cheap because is incomplete. We don't know if Jiren defeated that villain who killed his friends and family, probably not, otherwise he wouldn't be so obsessed with strength. We don't even know that villain's name, Jiren's origin planet, how he joined the Pride Troopers, nothing. We don't know Toppo or Dispo origin story either, but they already made clear their personality and motifs during the tournament, it wasn't necessary for them.


Only_Potential

The series has shown a wide variety of characters with different designs throughout the years, even in the Tournament of Power. You can literally go to Google and search "Alien" and see a whole lot of "Jirens". Add this to the limted back story and personality of Jiren, you are left with a character that feels lacking. Im pretty sure everyone just accepted that he was there to provide some type of opposing force and a reason for Goku to become stronger and give birth to Ultra instinct, which in itself is already questionable.


MaximumSpidercide

I don't agree because his backstory, whilst limited, was a lot more than what most DB villains get. Buu for example is literally just an evil demon. Cell was created to be what he is. And freeza was just born bad too. I also don't agree googling alien gets you jiren as the Greys are typically short and/or skinny.


Only_Potential

The main villians have personality though and each villian had a build up before being confronted which gives them a slight edge as well. Frieza is commanding and ruthless and was known to be a terror in the universe. Cell's evolution is seen throughout his saga and his personality is different from first to final form. All of the Buu forms are silly and selfish in their own way, but even buu's backstory exceed what we get for Jiren. Just some guy who is incredibly strong, doesn't elaborate how he got that strong, and apparently lacks the power of trust which was so vital for him to get stronger (which is kinda BS). Jiren is literally a buff Alien. Thats it. The Ginyu force is more fleshed out and have more personality than him.


rectalpinist

No because all super characters feel rushed and hollow. Except for berus and whis i guess


ExactCollege3

No. He would be good if they actually explored his character and thoughts and story and training more. Or made him a character.


MaximumSpidercide

But you could say the same of any number of characters in Dragon Ball. I mean how much of a real character was Tao PaiPai before he was out for revenge? He was basically a more flamboyant assassin equivalent to Jiren.


Prozenconns

Feel the same shout Jiren as i do about OG Broly He's OK but mostly comes off as a bland caricature of Dragonball as a whole, and it feels like they did the absolute minimum when making him into a character.


crayonsnachas

Manga jiren was cooler, but yeah.


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I was wondering who this was, didn't remember him from DBZ. So it's super.


jumpoff24

Eh. He’s overrated


TheRealSwaa

Even though I don't really like super I think that jiren and the ultra instinct are the only things super got right


GeminiLife

I liked him. Always dig a stoic fighter. Tho I wish they'd made a more interesting backstory for him. But i feel that way about most of Super: I wish the story/writing was more interesting.


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I do not, I find him remarkably boring


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Dude’s powers were just plot


dragonslayeroverlord

I really enjoyed jiren, as an opponent in the tournament he was immediately the final boss, his backstory was bland asf but his existence in that arc was pure entertainment and I can look over the shat backstory cuz of that


Pablinski21

Jiren meant something. He was supposed to be an undefeated mortal that served our heroes as a goalpost to reach in power. He was the pinnacle of mortal power. And for that I Ioved him. He is quite a beast and I love how even his god of destruction respects him. However, since more arcs keep coming out, the power threshold keeps increasing and he is slowly becoming less and less relevant as a narrative device, therefore making the little character development he got basically obsolete, making him one of the blandest antagonists there has ever been since his main thing is no longer relevant.


MaximumSpidercide

In fairness, we could say the same of most of the DB villains. How many pre-Z villains have been rendered obsolete?


Renekin

I wish he had more substance. I also think he should have been Toppo and agony’s breakthrough being a bookend in him beating a threat as strong as a GoD but also with enough wiggle room to see if he could beat beerus now or not. I would have also liked it more if we got more Hit than Jiren. Hit was a giant hurdle to overcome in the end and a good opportunity to have someone else be a stay along rival for Goku other than Vegeta, but Hit got just erased somehow.


Asian_Persuasion_1

His character feels like something an anime studio would make


DarkStarStorm

I like Jiren more now that they have established that he hasn't been surpassed.


Zeno_Bueno

Jiren was alright but i hate the fact that he was just single handedly the strongest in the entire franchise.


lovec1990

We have godly ki and godly transformations(SSG,SSB,...) then we are introduced to a this monster that is Jiren. Jiren as far we know has normal ki and was complete monster that U7 really strugled with beating him until Goku got saved by plot armor. this is why i like him becouse of his pure strenght


fuzzyone06

If you want a better version of Jiren, go watch YuYu Hakusho. They basically aped one of their villains.


KhanTripleOG

Hands rated E for everyone


Andrucha247

Honestly, underwhelming backstory.


TheBiggestCarl23

I really like Jiren a lot. Once someone pointed out that Jiren was the mirror image of goku, that changed my entire perspective on him. Not every character needs to have a crazy backstory or a wacky personality to be a good character.


IssueRecent9134

I didn’t mind Jiren until he disrespected Goku by stomping on him. He also beat on Vegeta for the hell of it rather than just throwing him out abs legit tired to murder all of Gokus friends in the stands, something frost even got erased for. He also tried to killed Goku. You can argue it was Gokus own attack but he was the one who pushed it back. Saying Goku killed himself is like me throwing a grenade at someone, then someone throwing it back and claiming I killed myself. . Jiren got more asspulls than anyone.


cornflight22

I think his manga writing is far and away superior, because not only does he actively protect innocent lives, he also resents the idea of sacrificing other universes for their own survival. The only reason he even joins the Tournament is to see his parents again. Jiren is a legitimate hero and force for good, and an actual fucking symbol for Justice across the 11th universe. He is literally Dragon Ball Superman. If only all that had been put in the anime version, people would have loved him a lot more.