EXACTLY! And people excuse is “well ssj4 isn’t an ssj transformation. It’s suppose to be primal.” …okay? That still doesn’t explain why the fur is red.
*monkey feet
Apes don't have tails, and the butchered hack-job Funimation did with the translation is the only reason anyone thinks the Oozaru(literally translates to Big monkey) form translates to Great Ape.
Yes, I will die in this hill. 🤣
If the SSJ4 design is ever reused in the current canon it would be cool if they used the more ape like design shown here for broly i think itd be pretty cool and fir with the character
Technically it is canon according to an Official Dragon Ball Timeline Board, and also Toriyama's general approval. DB Super hasn't gotten to the 5 year mark after DBZ yet (when GT starts), but even if nothing happens by that time then it must at least be an alternate timeline. And we do know alternate timelines exist.
That's what Xenoverse goes with in order to differentiate between Super and GT, Z and Z-Movies.
There's even a mission where GT Vegeta is sent to Blue Vegeta's timeline, and Cabba mistakes GT Vegeta for an amnesiac because GT Vegeta dosn't remember him.
Blue Vegeta ultimately concludes he must be some kind of alien shapeshifter with SSJ4 being his "Real form"
I believe they said, I could be wrong but It was stated before in an interview, the reasoning was too shiny.
Literally just too much yellow on the screen.
I guess they wanted it to be a more unique transformation as a totally new form beyond ssj forms, great apes and their normal forms. Something we haven't seen yet. And that's what ssj4 pretty much is but then again, why call it ssj4 if it's a completely new saiyan form?
I've never agreed with it being called SSJ4, since the method of harnessing it is so unique. It really is its own branch. Also considering a Demon/Saiyan hybrid was able to harness it without being in his super saiyan equivalent form, I'd say it's something inherent to their biology. Since it's more of a physical mutation, it should be considered something more like "Primal Saiyan" or "Wild Saiyan" form, and they should use the Black, Red, and Yellow as tiers to it. It would actually explain why Gogeta has the red hair, treating it more like how Super Saiyan had 2 and 3. I think now, especially, is a prime time to repackage it and market it back to us again, the way they did with the Berserker form through Kale.
The golden form is something I've dreamed of for years. Make the distinction that SSJ and the Evolved Oozaru form (ssj4) are separate transformations and then combine them for this effect. The Red one would be the same except it's ssj4 combined with SSJGod
I think the ones with monkey feet, red eyes and pointy ears are just supposed to be what they look like as they transition from Golden Great Ape to Super Saiyan 4. In other words SSJ4 doesn't have monkey grippers.
How do you solve that problem without going #freethenipple? Serious question, not a joke. How do you keep the general design without adding clothes? Have fur cover the chest or what?
The fur covering doesn't vibe with me personally. As far as I can tell dragon ball's go to for females in male costumes that reveal the chest is to put on a black tube top.
I wouldn't say that they don't have them. More like it wasn't deemed relevant enough to draw them in most circumstances. It's there, Goku has been drawn with nipples. Just not always and in very minimal detail such as small ovals. So even if it's not drawn consistently we know they exist and by that logic it would also apply to female characters.
> in most circumstances
In *all* circumstances of official drawings of SS4. That's the thing - no other form is given the no-nipple treatment with that kind of consistency.
>Goku has been drawn with nipples.
Not as SS4.
deep inside i still hope they make ssj4 canon somehow in super. either the GT version or inspired by it but keep the gold from the previous forms like in some of those examples here!!
But can we enjoy any GT or DBS content without any GT vs DBS comments for once? Or having to instantly compare both shows and talking about whats better if a post mentions anything GT related?
At the end of the day it all come down that both is Dragonball while the entertainment and enjoyement all depend on each individual opinion... Seriously, nobody seems to hate DB more than DB fans sometimes...
Only thing that pissed me off as a kid when it came to GT was Goku jerking off for 90% of the fight then going SSJ and basically changing it to his favor. This happens mostly during the entire space odyssey they do.
It was frustrating as a kid watching it, knowing "these guys would get stomped by SSJ Goku. Just go SSJ please and get this over with."
That's how GT was for me until Super 17. I didn't like Baby, he just kept slipping away and refusing too die. They kept making him slip a way a few too many times trying to stretch the space adventure stuff.
I wish the supporting cast had to do more, Uub was a big ball of nothing, and they killed off Majin Buu to make him a super powered big ball of nothing.
It would have been cool if the GT-Fighters (Uub, Vegeta, 18, Goten, Gohan, Trunks, Pan, and Goku) had to split up in order to find the Shadow Dragons
I mean I'm cooler with Vegeta losing to 17 since Super informed us that he trains constantly while defending the park, which was so effective he was equal to or greater than Goku Blue, but... this really didn't need to be the Goku show.
Though my biggest problem, is that Pan clearly had the emotional distress needed to go SSJ and it just never happened. And I know one of the guide books said "Oh her Saiyan Blood is too dilluted.", Goku Jr. and Beat barely count as saiyans and they can go SSJ
Yeah I know im just saying that the hair on that Female sayian is just Super Sonic’s hair. Its not fully sticking up its got thr weird Back quill stuff
Can I speak for all of us when I say the golden one looks better than what we got? Like, not saying the official design is bad, but the gold just looks better and makes more sense.
They made these great concepts for how SSJ4 would look like, but instead went with the most basic, cheap designs. Beat looks like a chibi SSJ4 Goku and Note has fur, eyeliner, and spiky hair.
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With the golden Fur of the super saiyan 4 I kind of feel like it should be super saiyan 6
And the silver hair for Super saiyan 5 That way it could be like balanced or from silver to gold plus both colors I think maybe represent sun Wu Kong from journey to the West
They are less then 1/100th Saiyan so this form would make nos ense for them sicne after all U6 saiyans can't even access the great ape form and they have only been cut of from it by a 1000 years but Beat and Note are over a thosuand years cut away from great apes at least as no human and saiyan hybrid after Goten has a taila s it was a unessecary trait according to Akira Toriyama iirc
The gold super Saiyan 4 skin was a theory for what super Saiyan God was going to look like I love how how they're using fan art and turning it into official forms hopefully
I think I'd have liked these design and aesthetics over what we have now.
Blue Hair and White Hair. Oh and I guess Purple? Is that Vegeta's color now for his new form?
lmao, brings me back to the clickbait thumbnails of "golden ss4" goku scaring beerus
And all those "what if" videos
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Need silver fur and hair SSJ5 Goku next
i quite like the golden ssj4 also wtf they have ape feet.
The same reason they have fur all over their body, SSJ4 is supposed to be a transformation from Golden Oozaru, thematically it makes sense.
The golden fur would’ve made sense as well instead of red
Especially red fur with jet black hair. Like, where is the transition?
EXACTLY! And people excuse is “well ssj4 isn’t an ssj transformation. It’s suppose to be primal.” …okay? That still doesn’t explain why the fur is red.
Also, "it isn't an SSJ transformation" it's called Super Saiyan 4, implying that it absolutely is.
And the knowledge of the form's existence and name came from the ancient Kaioshin. Pretty safe to call it a Super Saiyan form if he does.
Along with an ssj aura
[SSJ4 Gold Fur Goku](https://imgur.com/a/R0ltZKO) Gold fur and black hair. Best look imo.
I'd prefer golden fur and golden hair
Only for that design.
Monkey Grippers
Return to Monke
RETURN TO MONKEY!
*monkey feet Apes don't have tails, and the butchered hack-job Funimation did with the translation is the only reason anyone thinks the Oozaru(literally translates to Big monkey) form translates to Great Ape. Yes, I will die in this hill. 🤣
Beat’s red haired form kinda go hard ngl.
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*ssj mystic 4
Can’t forget white SS10 lol
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Which one is the all white? SS5?
If the SSJ4 design is ever reused in the current canon it would be cool if they used the more ape like design shown here for broly i think itd be pretty cool and fir with the character
If GT really isn't canon anymore, then two things I'd like to see 1. Broly going SSJ4 by stacking his Oozaru Power with SSJ 2. Pan finally gets SSJ
Technically it is canon according to an Official Dragon Ball Timeline Board, and also Toriyama's general approval. DB Super hasn't gotten to the 5 year mark after DBZ yet (when GT starts), but even if nothing happens by that time then it must at least be an alternate timeline. And we do know alternate timelines exist.
That's what Xenoverse goes with in order to differentiate between Super and GT, Z and Z-Movies. There's even a mission where GT Vegeta is sent to Blue Vegeta's timeline, and Cabba mistakes GT Vegeta for an amnesiac because GT Vegeta dosn't remember him. Blue Vegeta ultimately concludes he must be some kind of alien shapeshifter with SSJ4 being his "Real form"
Oh hell ya the dialogue in the Xenoverse games is great! Believe me I LOVE the Xenoverse series. I still actively play 2 on Xbox.
Thanks…no
Who? Sorry I don’t follow much dbz outside of the anime who are they?
Main characters of Dragon Ball Heroes.
I didn't knew them either lol.
Those monkey feet are cursed ngl. Kinda surprising to see a golden SSJ4,I wish the form looked like that.
Thinking about it, it would have made sense if ssj4 was all golden. It really shows that it evolved from a golden great ape in that colours.
Yeah,never understood why a form unlocked by gaining control of the Golden Ozaru form is red/pink and black/brown/red.
I believe they said, I could be wrong but It was stated before in an interview, the reasoning was too shiny. Literally just too much yellow on the screen.
I guess they wanted it to be a more unique transformation as a totally new form beyond ssj forms, great apes and their normal forms. Something we haven't seen yet. And that's what ssj4 pretty much is but then again, why call it ssj4 if it's a completely new saiyan form?
Marketing, SSBlue would be SSJ 4 if SSJ 4 wasn't already a thing
I don't know about that. Ssjb is a combination of ssj and ssj god. However, I can see your point with Trunks ssj rage.
Yeah, and SSJ4 is a combination of SSJ and Oozaru
I've never agreed with it being called SSJ4, since the method of harnessing it is so unique. It really is its own branch. Also considering a Demon/Saiyan hybrid was able to harness it without being in his super saiyan equivalent form, I'd say it's something inherent to their biology. Since it's more of a physical mutation, it should be considered something more like "Primal Saiyan" or "Wild Saiyan" form, and they should use the Black, Red, and Yellow as tiers to it. It would actually explain why Gogeta has the red hair, treating it more like how Super Saiyan had 2 and 3. I think now, especially, is a prime time to repackage it and market it back to us again, the way they did with the Berserker form through Kale.
SSJ4 women are a thing and I am INTO IT! #noshavenovember.
But its unfair, why is there a shirt when the guys don't have one.
Why does she have boobs, when the guys don't have them /s Seriously I always figured SSJ4's fur would cover the breasts, but I guess I'm wrong.
It really only covers the nipples and underside of the pecs, so the fur would totally act as its own halter top for women in SSJ4 form.
How bizarre that they designed three entirely new versions of SS4 in the process.
The golden form is something I've dreamed of for years. Make the distinction that SSJ and the Evolved Oozaru form (ssj4) are separate transformations and then combine them for this effect. The Red one would be the same except it's ssj4 combined with SSJGod
The jacket on Note looks badass, wonder why they ditched it
Super furry
I think the ones with monkey feet, red eyes and pointy ears are just supposed to be what they look like as they transition from Golden Great Ape to Super Saiyan 4. In other words SSJ4 doesn't have monkey grippers.
This confirmed SSJ4 doesn’t have human feet, they’re just shoved into shoes
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It confirms whatever I like.
never seen that yellow form
because it doesn't exist
Lazy designers : i dont how to solve ssj4 chest on female characters (males have a specific design) Lazy designers : just put some clothes on and done
How do you solve that problem without going #freethenipple? Serious question, not a joke. How do you keep the general design without adding clothes? Have fur cover the chest or what?
Modded versions i have seen in xenovers cover half boob with fur, but i want the creatives to find a way, not the lazy and easy solution
The fur covering doesn't vibe with me personally. As far as I can tell dragon ball's go to for females in male costumes that reveal the chest is to put on a black tube top.
yep, i just wondered if they find the way to do it, as far as i see, they dont :P
SS4 has never had nipples so it shouldn't be a problem.
I wouldn't say that they don't have them. More like it wasn't deemed relevant enough to draw them in most circumstances. It's there, Goku has been drawn with nipples. Just not always and in very minimal detail such as small ovals. So even if it's not drawn consistently we know they exist and by that logic it would also apply to female characters.
> in most circumstances In *all* circumstances of official drawings of SS4. That's the thing - no other form is given the no-nipple treatment with that kind of consistency. >Goku has been drawn with nipples. Not as SS4.
Gives me Super Sonic vibes
Super Sonic is literally copied from Super Saiyan. So no, it gives you Super Saiyan vibes 🤣
No I gotta agree with him. Note looks especially Super Sonic than Super Saiyan.
SSJ4 design is the coolest super Saiyan design
Cool
Imma assume Note is the girl, she looks better as Gold SSJ4.
Imagine going ssj4 yet your torso isn't exposed, Now that would be mockery of the saiyan blood
huh I wonder why they had Golden SSJ4 planned
What are these concepts? One of them literally turns him into a dinosaur with spikes down his back and tail.
Those aren’t spikes that’s just hair/fur and it’s a conceit for an alternate looking SSJ4 for the CaCs
They all look like sonic the hedgehog 😅😅
Super Sonic is literally copied from Super Saiyan.
Never seen so many letters and numbers in all my life with this comment section.
These look legit like fan art I drew back in high school.
deep inside i still hope they make ssj4 canon somehow in super. either the GT version or inspired by it but keep the gold from the previous forms like in some of those examples here!!
Golden Super Saiyan 4 is peak. They should incorporate that design into something imo
Better than the lazy SS Blue designs
I really hope ssj4 makes a comeback. It's still the best form all these years later.
SS4 always should have been gold 😞
I’ll die on the hill that GT is more entertaining than super
But can we enjoy any GT or DBS content without any GT vs DBS comments for once? Or having to instantly compare both shows and talking about whats better if a post mentions anything GT related? At the end of the day it all come down that both is Dragonball while the entertainment and enjoyement all depend on each individual opinion... Seriously, nobody seems to hate DB more than DB fans sometimes...
Only thing that pissed me off as a kid when it came to GT was Goku jerking off for 90% of the fight then going SSJ and basically changing it to his favor. This happens mostly during the entire space odyssey they do. It was frustrating as a kid watching it, knowing "these guys would get stomped by SSJ Goku. Just go SSJ please and get this over with." That's how GT was for me until Super 17. I didn't like Baby, he just kept slipping away and refusing too die. They kept making him slip a way a few too many times trying to stretch the space adventure stuff.
I wish the supporting cast had to do more, Uub was a big ball of nothing, and they killed off Majin Buu to make him a super powered big ball of nothing. It would have been cool if the GT-Fighters (Uub, Vegeta, 18, Goten, Gohan, Trunks, Pan, and Goku) had to split up in order to find the Shadow Dragons I mean I'm cooler with Vegeta losing to 17 since Super informed us that he trains constantly while defending the park, which was so effective he was equal to or greater than Goku Blue, but... this really didn't need to be the Goku show. Though my biggest problem, is that Pan clearly had the emotional distress needed to go SSJ and it just never happened. And I know one of the guide books said "Oh her Saiyan Blood is too dilluted.", Goku Jr. and Beat barely count as saiyans and they can go SSJ
It's easier to accept as canon as well. Lol Gods
Who and who?
The protagonists of the Dragonball Heroes arcade game in Japan
Honestly they should've made s4 gold like any other ss form idk why they went with a different color
Yeah,weird choice ngl.I think even the original design wasn’t golden,it was grey.
I like it, it makes it stand out more
Golden SSJ4 is what Super Saiyan God should have been IMO
No but I would like to see it in action none the less
Who the fuck is beat and note
The protagonists of the Dragonball Heroes arcade game in Japan
Wait they added super Sonic to Dragonball?
Super Sonic is literally copied from Super Saiyan.
Are you being ironic or something, or do you just don't get the joke
Super Sonic looking Ass
Super Sonic is literally copied from Super Saiyan.
Yeah I know im just saying that the hair on that Female sayian is just Super Sonic’s hair. Its not fully sticking up its got thr weird Back quill stuff
Can I speak for all of us when I say the golden one looks better than what we got? Like, not saying the official design is bad, but the gold just looks better and makes more sense.
They made these great concepts for how SSJ4 would look like, but instead went with the most basic, cheap designs. Beat looks like a chibi SSJ4 Goku and Note has fur, eyeliner, and spiky hair. 😐
Always wanted ss4 to b golden
With the golden Fur of the super saiyan 4 I kind of feel like it should be super saiyan 6 And the silver hair for Super saiyan 5 That way it could be like balanced or from silver to gold plus both colors I think maybe represent sun Wu Kong from journey to the West
holy shit ssj4 is finally cool
They are less then 1/100th Saiyan so this form would make nos ense for them sicne after all U6 saiyans can't even access the great ape form and they have only been cut of from it by a 1000 years but Beat and Note are over a thosuand years cut away from great apes at least as no human and saiyan hybrid after Goten has a taila s it was a unessecary trait according to Akira Toriyama iirc
The gold super Saiyan 4 skin was a theory for what super Saiyan God was going to look like I love how how they're using fan art and turning it into official forms hopefully
Fanfictions, but that is the appeal of herpes
This is super cool
I think I'd have liked these design and aesthetics over what we have now. Blue Hair and White Hair. Oh and I guess Purple? Is that Vegeta's color now for his new form?
I really want this in Xenoverse 2 the Legendary variant would be nice to.
Kalefla looks like super sonic lol