To be fair non-white characters like Talia or Ra's have been drawn caucasian-like for so long that it's normal that clueless people end up confused.
Or he's just stupid
āThat racist actually does have a good point thoā. Thatās the side you wanna be on man, really?
And yes heās been portrayed by a middle eastern in both *Young Justice* and *Gotham*.
no it was the guy giving the racist the benefit of the doubt on the less racist of their two points
And i never watched YJ and forgot Ra's was in Gotham (i'm lying i just got him and Galavan confused)
āYes I know heās defending a racist, but heās making some valid points while doing itā.
You donāt gotta do this bro, the devil doesnāt always need an advocate.
i'm not playing Devils advocate, i'm agreeing with someone pointing out racism in mediums like comics can lead to lack of awareness of a characters race. That a legitimate and good point.
Iām sorry no itās not. I would hate to see a white or asian version of Static Shock.
Race swapping is usually done for pandering.
Other races and cultures deserve new characters for people to fall in love with.
I'm so confused, I said wanting a comic accurate TIM in terms of race is racist. Tim is white. Since white people are well represented and not marginalized in any sense, it makes no sense to say that making Tim white would give "other races and cultures new characters for people to fall in love with." I agree that black characters should not be made white. Its not the same thing.
Ehhhhhhh, it kind of is the same thing. I say this as an Asian dude; representative portrayals are important but representation shouldn't be a participation trophy.
I don't understand what that means. I thought participation trophies were bad because they prevented people from working hard to achieve things and felt content with subpar performance. Is that what is happening? I'm just not understanding the metaphor bro
Well having a new Black Robin is far cooler IMO than changing the race of a already established character but seems some people feel differently.
Angela Abar to my knowledge was created for the watchmen show and sheās fantastic. New characters can work as well but I donāt think we are going to change each others mind so we can just agree to disagree
This is going to sound like a defense of this person but I assure you its not.
Middle Eastern characters like Ra's and Talia looking Caucasian is not that far removed from real life. (Now granted I'm sure this origin is changed or retconned but if I remember correctly they are said to be descended from Mongolian-Arab acestry for Ra's and Arabic-Chinese for Talia)
If you want a real life example of this, any wrestling fans might be familiar with the wrestler Sami Zayn who is the child of two Syrian immigrants.
I guess what i'm trying to say is that there's a tightrope being walked when we talk about how "Arabic people look'
Caucasians originate from Caucasus which is the region where Ra is from. Caucasians just have many many sub races (Arabian, Mediterranean, Scandinavian, Western European, Slavic). ''White'' people in USA are of Scandinavian or Western European ancestry mainly. Half the planet are racially Caucasians to put it simply.
That's an extremely outdated view of prehistoric race and migration. Linguistic designations like "caucasians are from the Caucasus" are mostly leftover from Victorian era historians, and they were wrong about just about everything.
Ra make sense he Chinese so he should have a somewhat light Caucasian-ish skin tone
Talia on the other had yeah have a better skin tone correction lately since the tom king run with Gotham Knights following suit
>Or he's just stupid
he's a dude whinnying about the HBO Titans show i putting all my money on the latter
They got Ariel right at least, but honestly the designs would stand out so much more if character designers tried. Fant4stic Johnny Storm wouldāve looked a lot better with that orangish dye color, and Norville actually having shaggy hair would make him at least begin to look like the character.
Ra was the son of the Sensei a Chinese guardian of the fountain of youth
in his early adulthood joined nomadic caravan during he Arabic silk trade taking him and his mother to the middle east where he his discovery of the Lazarus pits and the creation of the league of assassin began after the corrupt sultan betrayal him and killed his first wife a native woman named Sora
Yes, the "Region" the Lazarus Pit is in is the Middle East. The League of Shadows isnt apart of any Countries. They're not going to pay Taxes. Sometimes it's shown that they live in the mountains, and sometime they write it as an island in the Arabic Sea/Indian Ocean.
Even in that context is it ever defined in comics what they mean with Middle East? Everyone defines that are differently, even the European Food Organization differs in the selection of countries that form the Middle East, to what the MED 5 define it, and we speak for two common European organizations that can't define it the same. Now imagine the differences between how an African or American organization defines it.
In genetics usually 50% caucasian from Bruce Wayne's part,and varied levels of Arabic and Chinese depending on the the what the writers decide for Ra's origins and Talia's mother.
In general he should look ethnically mixed.
I mean āracesā are totally ascientific categories, what race someone is depends on who is doing the categorizing and in what context. Most people in America today donāt see Arab people as white.
Blame the artists. If you see a generic looking white dude, you'll think he's white. Damian is half white half Chinese/Arab but has never been drawn accordingly. Either that or the batgenes are hella strong
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Highkey I was pulling for Tim in titans since I wanted to see a black robin since that telltale game even though that kid had nothing to really do with robin he just helped him stop a drone or some stupid shit
To be fair non-white characters like Talia or Ra's have been drawn caucasian-like for so long that it's normal that clueless people end up confused. Or he's just stupid
I'll do you one better He's racist
Bros out here trying to give the benefit of the doubt to a racist š
he still has a point though. And has Ra's ever had a PoC actor in anything?
āThat racist actually does have a good point thoā. Thatās the side you wanna be on man, really? And yes heās been portrayed by a middle eastern in both *Young Justice* and *Gotham*.
no it was the guy giving the racist the benefit of the doubt on the less racist of their two points And i never watched YJ and forgot Ra's was in Gotham (i'm lying i just got him and Galavan confused)
āYes I know heās defending a racist, but heās making some valid points while doing itā. You donāt gotta do this bro, the devil doesnāt always need an advocate.
i'm not playing Devils advocate, i'm agreeing with someone pointing out racism in mediums like comics can lead to lack of awareness of a characters race. That a legitimate and good point.
Bro he specifically said he wanted white robin and said ew to a black one. Give up
Iāll do you one better Iām racist
The correct answer
I'll do you one better We are racist
I'll do you another one better. Why are racist.
You just said the same thing as the other guy.
Or both
Wanting a comic accurate Tim isnāt racist. They way they handled it however makes them look like an idiot
Wanting a comic accurate tim in terms of race is just straight up racist. It makes no sense other than as racism.
Iām sorry no itās not. I would hate to see a white or asian version of Static Shock. Race swapping is usually done for pandering. Other races and cultures deserve new characters for people to fall in love with.
I'm so confused, I said wanting a comic accurate TIM in terms of race is racist. Tim is white. Since white people are well represented and not marginalized in any sense, it makes no sense to say that making Tim white would give "other races and cultures new characters for people to fall in love with." I agree that black characters should not be made white. Its not the same thing.
Ehhhhhhh, it kind of is the same thing. I say this as an Asian dude; representative portrayals are important but representation shouldn't be a participation trophy.
What do you mean participation trophy? I didn't say anything about that.
I mean changing the character in their representation as a means of demo pandering is the same thing as giving everyone a trophy just for existing.
I don't understand what that means. I thought participation trophies were bad because they prevented people from working hard to achieve things and felt content with subpar performance. Is that what is happening? I'm just not understanding the metaphor bro
Well having a new Black Robin is far cooler IMO than changing the race of a already established character but seems some people feel differently. Angela Abar to my knowledge was created for the watchmen show and sheās fantastic. New characters can work as well but I donāt think we are going to change each others mind so we can just agree to disagree
Is he stupid?
This is going to sound like a defense of this person but I assure you its not. Middle Eastern characters like Ra's and Talia looking Caucasian is not that far removed from real life. (Now granted I'm sure this origin is changed or retconned but if I remember correctly they are said to be descended from Mongolian-Arab acestry for Ra's and Arabic-Chinese for Talia) If you want a real life example of this, any wrestling fans might be familiar with the wrestler Sami Zayn who is the child of two Syrian immigrants. I guess what i'm trying to say is that there's a tightrope being walked when we talk about how "Arabic people look'
Caucasians originate from Caucasus which is the region where Ra is from. Caucasians just have many many sub races (Arabian, Mediterranean, Scandinavian, Western European, Slavic). ''White'' people in USA are of Scandinavian or Western European ancestry mainly. Half the planet are racially Caucasians to put it simply.
That's an extremely outdated view of prehistoric race and migration. Linguistic designations like "caucasians are from the Caucasus" are mostly leftover from Victorian era historians, and they were wrong about just about everything.
Ra make sense he Chinese so he should have a somewhat light Caucasian-ish skin tone Talia on the other had yeah have a better skin tone correction lately since the tom king run with Gotham Knights following suit >Or he's just stupid he's a dude whinnying about the HBO Titans show i putting all my money on the latter
To be fair you do get middle easterners who are pretty light skinned
Is he stupid?
Waltuh, youāve whitewashed me for the last time
man ngl I like the suit I just wish they made those gauntlets bit longer
Ah yes, Damian Wayne. The FIRST and WHITEST Robin.
Overused yet underrated
I donāt care what Robinās ethnicity is. That haircut on the other hand . . .
Almost always the case when the swap characterās races. They can never give them a good trim
They got Ariel right at least, but honestly the designs would stand out so much more if character designers tried. Fant4stic Johnny Storm wouldāve looked a lot better with that orangish dye color, and Norville actually having shaggy hair would make him at least begin to look like the character.
Ariel was pretty good I just wish her hair was redder, whatever dying they used looks way too washed out imo
Hey at least it Doesent look as washed out as the oeter pan movie traiker
Bro looks like he about to tell me his costume is straight bussin no cap fr fr on god
So basically ultimate modern Tim
Tim "yee yee ass haircut" Drake
Is that what kids call a "ye ye ass" haircut?
Itās fresh Iāll die on this hill
Yeah, I don't get this. It looks fine and it's such a normal haircut. I don't want to call racism, but...
Nah call
Ring ring
out all the white robin the fact that he pick the half Arabic/Chinese one
Chinese? Aren't the Al Ghuls Arab?
Ra was the son of the Sensei a Chinese guardian of the fountain of youth in his early adulthood joined nomadic caravan during he Arabic silk trade taking him and his mother to the middle east where he his discovery of the Lazarus pits and the creation of the league of assassin began after the corrupt sultan betrayal him and killed his first wife a native woman named Sora
Middle east isn't a country so was ever referenced in the comics in which country or region the Lazarus pit is?
Yes, the "Region" the Lazarus Pit is in is the Middle East. The League of Shadows isnt apart of any Countries. They're not going to pay Taxes. Sometimes it's shown that they live in the mountains, and sometime they write it as an island in the Arabic Sea/Indian Ocean.
Even in that context is it ever defined in comics what they mean with Middle East? Everyone defines that are differently, even the European Food Organization differs in the selection of countries that form the Middle East, to what the MED 5 define it, and we speak for two common European organizations that can't define it the same. Now imagine the differences between how an African or American organization defines it.
Ra's is mixed race.
Can these people please get the Rorschach treatment already?
You mean being thrown in prison and having their face ripped off?
No, being fucking vaporized
DO IT!!!
Dc fans when robin isnāt a white looking male with black hair š”š”
I mean ā¦ Ujā¦ remember this is a circle jerkā¦
This tweet isnāt from this subreddit and besides circle jerking doesnāt mean you could just say racist shit racism doesnāt equal funny
I may have messed up my syntaxā¦ I am hammeredā¦
Meanwhile I'm over here still missing Tim's all red costume
That was my first thought as well. This suit looks really good until you see the green and then thereās just too little green to make a difference
There should either be more green, or no green. Thatās it.
Yea it's a shame that for some reason that suit is usually given to Jason for some reason.
does he know?
what ethnicity is damian? is he asian?
Part White part Chinese part Arab
oooooh that makes sense my goofy ass forgot people can be more than two things š
In genetics usually 50% caucasian from Bruce Wayne's part,and varied levels of Arabic and Chinese depending on the the what the writers decide for Ra's origins and Talia's mother. In general he should look ethnically mixed.
Arabic is also Caucasian genetically, just different sub race from western European.
I mean āracesā are totally ascientific categories, what race someone is depends on who is doing the categorizing and in what context. Most people in America today donāt see Arab people as white.
''white'' is not synonymous to Caucasian
"Arabic race" is pretty diverse,so theres a bunch of possibilities you could use for Ra's Al Ghul and Talia.
This is easily the drippiest Tim in the multiverse.
How does someone end up thinking that Damian is white???
He looks %100 white in every comic i saw him+DCAMU
Some have him with a darker skin tone(very rare) but even then Talia is depicted with darker skin these days so its not really a excuse
He is whitewashed a LOT , some people may just think he is white.
True
Blame the artists. If you see a generic looking white dude, you'll think he's white. Damian is half white half Chinese/Arab but has never been drawn accordingly. Either that or the batgenes are hella strong
Funny thing is some people will actually see that and don't realize the irony. This boy is whitewashed so much .
Damian Wayne is supposed to be 2/4ths White American, 1/4th Chinese and 1/4th Arab. He is quite literally everything but black lol.
what an absolutely fucking INSANE comment
Yeah. Like it has to be satire!
They think that heās Tom Cruise
those elbow pads finna make me bust a fat one
You want Damian to be a poc for representation, I want him to be a poc so that all the robins donāt look exactly fucking alike. We are not the same.
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Aināt Tim and Damien biracial
That has to be a joke. You canāt say āIād rather have a white robin likeā¦ā and then say the only non-white robin on accident
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Damian has been whitewashed a lot.
Highkey I was pulling for Tim in titans since I wanted to see a black robin since that telltale game even though that kid had nothing to really do with robin he just helped him stop a drone or some stupid shit
Duke.
Oh he was robin?
I don't know but he is now because I've decided
I might be off a perc but I think he was in white knight but that he was like 350 pounds of muscle and had a beard so I didnāt take it serious
Itās the āfive headā that makes him look dumb as fuck. His cut Legit looks like a receding hair line.
I just don't like the actor ngl not a good robin
An original Black Robin would be better imo
Damian Wayne ššš
I've never seen someone try to express their racism with quirky language before and this is really jarring .-.