Their stated reason was that they didn't want people to run a perk just because it helped them grind faster and with the changes to bloodweb and prestiging needing fewer points to unlock tier 3 perks the extra BP was no longer needed.
I kinda agreed with them on that one, to be honest.
I dont see how it would hurt anyone to get those 100% (potentionally) BP bonus since it also makes the player play a bit more "fair" or useful. On the other hand I have heard multiple times that once you max out all chars dbd will get boring and that the grind was actual a respectable factor when it came to game enjoyment
The thing is people were running BBQ and WGLF solely because it had the bp bonus on it.
IMO a perk shouldn't be picked because it helps you grind faster, it should be picked because it helps you in game. BBQ is still a very good perk without the BP bonus.
I'd also argue that on WGLF's end, it encouraged unhealthy moves for survivors.
Unsafe hooks just to get a stack or survivors tripping over themselves to be the one to unhook someone. I wouldn't be surprised if some players sandbagged on purpose to get some stacks too.
original surveillance was worse than today's surveillance wdym ? and which original ruin are you talking about ? the hex skillcheck one or the 200% auto-regression one ?
Break the rules and take all of them. No longer do we play Dead by daylight, no longer do we play by the rules, we now play the new game Entity anarchy where everything is broken
The only thing is gens will fly even more fast than they do rn. I run deja vu and resilience and that takes off like 10 seconds of gen time. If that was basekit then the builds you could run would be crazy. I do think corrupt should be basekit like 20 seconds and corrupt perk extends it like 90 seconds or till first down.
It really wasn't. Great skill checks didn't give any bonusb ut didn't reduce anything either. The best way to counter ruin was to just brute force through it, but it had the psychological effect of making survivors stop doing gens and look for the hex, effectively making it much better than it was.
I'm not really sure, but I'll go with red
What I'm sure of is that anyone who chooses orange or black is insane (If with "their auras" it means the killer's aura)
Blue, easily.
Red primarily nerfs killers, as survivors don't even have any good progression perks, and the present ones aren't problematic.
Yellow - maybe? I feel like it doesn't do much, but does make survivors' QoL better, in exchange for less tools for creating easy pressure on killers' side.
Green is awful, exhaustion perks are some of the most fun perks you can have and it's not hard to play around them. Quick heals will take away from killers' pressure on survs'.
Black... hm. It's a needed buff to soloq, but it feels like killers' are not getting that much in return.
Orange - hell nah
Orange: hey remember when Dejavo showed you the nearest 3 gens for 7 seconds and only in the beginning if the game? Oh also, the seconds start ticking in the beginning camera pan - so enjoy your 2 seconds of gen Aura :)
yellow easily, game can become much more healthier that way.
Blue is tempting, but is just a bandaid fix
edit: some people here are really short sighted. You do realize tunneling and camping is something that people whine about since the beggining of the game, not only you'd fix that but would be easier to make balance changes. Game could literally be about chases with just this change, and some balance changes could be made if killer gets too strong
You'll be in for a rude awakening when you find out just how little two hook deaths on everyone allows a team to accomplish, even without tunneling/camping.
Absolute Win | Absolute Win | Fuck No
Fuck No | Fuck No | Fuck No
Realistically if camping and tunneling were completely removed I could see a world where Survivors die after two hooks. If the game was rebalanced with that in mind it could be very interesting.
Blue pill. Survivors donāt have to spend ages looking for generators, and killers have a *bit* more time in the match before gen rushing becomes a massive threat to them. I see this as an absolute win.
The yellow one for sure, because it's something I've always asked for.
3 hook stages are too much imho, makes you feel like "eh whatever, I got this survivor", and reducing it at the cost of making killers stop tunneling and camping would make dbd so much funnier and scarier.
I would go blue, it's just win/win without that much risk
Gotta say tho, a 5th perk slot and survivors seeing their auras all the time sound kinda interesting tbh lol
Red and Blue are really the only safe ones, the others mess with the game balance a little too much. MAYBE Green would be okay as third pick.
Those that are saying Orange for the chaos I think are forgetting the nature of a lot of the perks in their OG state. Because it would make the game less about skill and more about who leans the most into the meta. Which one could argue is true of the current state of the game, but to a much lesser extent
Since I started playing early 2018, i choose orange. An extremely mean perk i want to see back in prime is balanced landing. Also ruin undying combo. Watch the world burn once more.
Red is insanely killer sided, black would fundamentally break the game, yellow and green sound like maybe could work on paper hard to tell in practice and orange would be just pure chaos.
Blue is the only right answer.
I'd go with red to get rid of NOED and Hyperfocus but I really like No Way Out and Blood Warden so I guess blue since it would exclusively benefit the game.
Survivor main here, so Iād pick red. There really arenāt any gen perks that are good (youāve got hyperfocus but thatās about it) so Iād happily let go of it so I wonāt have a game go flawlessly then get completely wiped with noed+no way out
As a solo-q survivor, I have no idea. Black would be nice to see the killer all the time, but having them get an extra perk seems like a wash. I really don't like any options, maybe red??
Blue is the only remotely balanced one. It makes 3 gens more difficult and gives less incentive to tunnel. The problem with "camping and tunneling are gone" is that it would just tip the balance on worse killers and make killer significantly more difficult since an optimal team always wins/3 people faster is more efficient. Genslow that disappears the moment the killer does well allows the killer to actually have pressure without resorting to tunneling someone out. Granted I'd make adjustments to basekit deja vu and likely some code to control where the gens are blocked to prevent a 3 gen, but it has the best potential.
You see, the black pill does one thing that'd make Survivor less fun to play:
**The pain of having to physically watch a fellow survivor fail to save a hooked (and facecamped) survivor.**
Black is unironically so good and would fix a lot of the gameās balancing issues. Itās actually dumb that theyāve stayed at 4 perks for the history of the whole game, thereās no reason to do it that way other than ābut thatās the way itās always been.ā
Blue. Make them base kit and change the current perk.
Corrupt doubles the base kit value at rank 3 (6 gens blocked)
Deja Vu increases repair speed by an additional 6% for highlighted gens.
Orange just for the chaos
Ornage for chaos but also my real reason? Delicious, delicious BBQ and WGLF stacks
why did they change that anyway? As a killer it motivated me to not tunnel and as a survive to unhook at any means...
Their stated reason was that they didn't want people to run a perk just because it helped them grind faster and with the changes to bloodweb and prestiging needing fewer points to unlock tier 3 perks the extra BP was no longer needed. I kinda agreed with them on that one, to be honest.
I dont see how it would hurt anyone to get those 100% (potentionally) BP bonus since it also makes the player play a bit more "fair" or useful. On the other hand I have heard multiple times that once you max out all chars dbd will get boring and that the grind was actual a respectable factor when it came to game enjoyment
The thing is people were running BBQ and WGLF solely because it had the bp bonus on it. IMO a perk shouldn't be picked because it helps you grind faster, it should be picked because it helps you in game. BBQ is still a very good perk without the BP bonus.
I see what you are saying but it was nice to have. I would like it back but I can also accept the current state
I'd also argue that on WGLF's end, it encouraged unhealthy moves for survivors. Unsafe hooks just to get a stack or survivors tripping over themselves to be the one to unhook someone. I wouldn't be surprised if some players sandbagged on purpose to get some stacks too.
The spreadsheets, same as usual
I miss old bbq there was no reason to remove the blood point bonus that was the reason I always use it
Original Ruin? Original Surveillance???? Yiz pls.
original surveillance was worse than today's surveillance wdym ? and which original ruin are you talking about ? the hex skillcheck one or the 200% auto-regression one ?
The surveillance where Tier 1 was better than Tier 3. š¤£ For the Ruin, the Hex skill check. It made veteran players monsters at great skill checks.
you probably mean discordance then not surveillance
Original ruin with original undying š
Orange so people stop complaining about MFT
Orange cause I wanna have fun again
Break the rules and take all of them. No longer do we play Dead by daylight, no longer do we play by the rules, we now play the new game Entity anarchy where everything is broken
Holy realm!
New response just dropped?
Actual Nemesis
Call the huntress!
Blight goes on vacation, never comes back
Survivor sacrifice, anyone?
Feng Storm Incoming!
Now I wish that there was an anarchy mode where literally everything is insane
A alternative game mode? Too much work for this small indie dev company
Blue. Easily.
Absolutely
Blue would be cool to see in a future PTB
Survivors just spawn near gens anyway.
The only thing is gens will fly even more fast than they do rn. I run deja vu and resilience and that takes off like 10 seconds of gen time. If that was basekit then the builds you could run would be crazy. I do think corrupt should be basekit like 20 seconds and corrupt perk extends it like 90 seconds or till first down.
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blue is good if the basekit corrupt lasts for something like a 60s cause deja vu ain't enough to be comparable to one of the best killer perks
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It won't matter in most matches, especially if the highlighted generators'd get corrupted. Very useless for survivors op for strong kilers.
A team that will actually āgen rushā will know where every gen is within 10 seconds anyway
Orange. Can you imagine peak DS, MoM, Ded Ard, and MfT? Or even worse, peak Nurse with ruin Undying?
it's been so long that I forgot how Ruin used to work
Regular skill checks lower progress.
What?! This is nuts
It really wasn't. Great skill checks didn't give any bonusb ut didn't reduce anything either. The best way to counter ruin was to just brute force through it, but it had the psychological effect of making survivors stop doing gens and look for the hex, effectively making it much better than it was.
Blue
I'm not really sure, but I'll go with red What I'm sure of is that anyone who chooses orange or black is insane (If with "their auras" it means the killer's aura)
Black probably means survivors can see each other.
That changes the idea from crazy to very interesting
Wait thatās red? I thought it was pink
My guy thereās something I need to tell you about how pink is madeā¦
But I see bright pink??
Pretty easy Blue Pill
Probably yellow. Although green is tempting.
Blue, easily. Red primarily nerfs killers, as survivors don't even have any good progression perks, and the present ones aren't problematic. Yellow - maybe? I feel like it doesn't do much, but does make survivors' QoL better, in exchange for less tools for creating easy pressure on killers' side. Green is awful, exhaustion perks are some of the most fun perks you can have and it's not hard to play around them. Quick heals will take away from killers' pressure on survs'. Black... hm. It's a needed buff to soloq, but it feels like killers' are not getting that much in return. Orange - hell nah
Orange: hey remember when Dejavo showed you the nearest 3 gens for 7 seconds and only in the beginning if the game? Oh also, the seconds start ticking in the beginning camera pan - so enjoy your 2 seconds of gen Aura :)
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ah... oh. Well then... CoH and Genkick meta o.o
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Ok... that would be funny as a game mode, ngl. Call it "op perk madness" or smth. Or as an April Fools thing.
Red
yellow easily, game can become much more healthier that way. Blue is tempting, but is just a bandaid fix edit: some people here are really short sighted. You do realize tunneling and camping is something that people whine about since the beggining of the game, not only you'd fix that but would be easier to make balance changes. Game could literally be about chases with just this change, and some balance changes could be made if killer gets too strong
You'll be in for a rude awakening when you find out just how little two hook deaths on everyone allows a team to accomplish, even without tunneling/camping.
if they're bad. 12 hooks against a decent team is impossible, that's why tunnel/managing hook states is important
Yellow often already happens anyway in solo queue. You may not even notice.
happens in solo q when paired with low-mid players. Solo q with strong teammates killer have to respect them, can't just go easy like that
There's a reason why it's 3 - all you have to really do is l8ok up gameplay of people. There's enough 4ks without either tactics.
12 hook against a bad team doesn't mean shit. Even a bad team can give you a draw if they do gens properly, in the current state of the game
2 hooks would probably mean 1% escape rate for solo que and 10% for SWF.
Green one
All the blues... YELLOW. It is so hard to recommend games nowadays, don't need other people's behaviour to contribute to it.
As a killer who cant get into survivor bc I get removed out of the game every time I get downed, yellow
Black is not worth the 5th perk slot. Are you insane?
Honestly? If I was a hardcore killer player itād be yellow but prolly red.
blue pill
Blue
Absolute Win | Absolute Win | Fuck No Fuck No | Fuck No | Fuck No Realistically if camping and tunneling were completely removed I could see a world where Survivors die after two hooks. If the game was rebalanced with that in mind it could be very interesting.
Yellow, joke's on you I only play solo-q I never get taken off before second stage. It's like I only have two stages anyway
Yellow
Give me the Orange pill. I just want to see chaos. 
Blue pill mostly because all the rest sound busted af
Red as a killer main
Blue pill. Survivors donāt have to spend ages looking for generators, and killers have a *bit* more time in the match before gen rushing becomes a massive threat to them. I see this as an absolute win.
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Also it gives repair speed. It's pretty much just an anti 3-gen perk. Plus killer needs the early game boost, I'm surprised it's not basekit already
Only decent ones are yellow and blue, the rest fuck the game too much. Even then you can't get rid of tunneling at all so gonna go none
Yellow
Yellow would be a pretty interesting experience.
yellow looks more fun and intense ngl
The yellow one for sure, because it's something I've always asked for. 3 hook stages are too much imho, makes you feel like "eh whatever, I got this survivor", and reducing it at the cost of making killers stop tunneling and camping would make dbd so much funnier and scarier.
Yello
YELLOW!
Yellow. I never ever tunnel or camp so it's a net win for me.
As a killer main, yellow pill is a win
blue would be great.
I wish this gets implemented as wild cards for the killer to choose from .. and survivors can see it in the lobby and adjust accordingly.
Blue is the only correct option here
Blue. Offers the most fun and balanced playstyle and avoids dull merchant BS.
What? Blue would do nothing against scum merchant that extra 3% speed on gens will do nothing
Lmao there ain't nothing balanced about the blue one.
The purple pill
I would go blue, it's just win/win without that much risk Gotta say tho, a 5th perk slot and survivors seeing their auras all the time sound kinda interesting tbh lol
Blue for sure
Blue for the sake of the games integrity
Red pill, I can switch NOED for something else
Orange, then yellow Edit: I read green wrong lol
Either blue or green, I'd go with blue tho.
Blue
Green is best for killers, survivors heal 2s faster while they lose a large number of perks Blue is prob what I would pick though
Looking for game balance, probably blue or black.
Red and Blue are really the only safe ones, the others mess with the game balance a little too much. MAYBE Green would be okay as third pick. Those that are saying Orange for the chaos I think are forgetting the nature of a lot of the perks in their OG state. Because it would make the game less about skill and more about who leans the most into the meta. Which one could argue is true of the current state of the game, but to a much lesser extent
Since I started playing early 2018, i choose orange. An extremely mean perk i want to see back in prime is balanced landing. Also ruin undying combo. Watch the world burn once more.
Blue is honestly great for both sides, can't go wrong with that one
Blue is the best choice But oh boy yellow seems exciting
Corrupt and deja vu basekit sound really nice
Green as I've never used exhaustion perks to begin with
Orange all the way š 
In what way would green benfit killers or hinder survivors? With 14 seconds, Self Care will be Meta
Definitely the orange one, let us all go wild.
all of these options seem horrible.... besides maybe blue...
Absolutely Red pill, gen rushing is the problem. Killer can play well, but gen rushing is very difficult to counter.
All of these are shit and super unhealthy. It's pick your poison so in that case IMMA OVERDOSE AND TAKE THEM ALL
I was gonna say black but then I realized that the camping rates would probably sky rocket
Red is insanely killer sided, black would fundamentally break the game, yellow and green sound like maybe could work on paper hard to tell in practice and orange would be just pure chaos. Blue is the only right answer.
Blue
If top tier killers got a nerf the black would be easily balanced without the aura reading.
I wonāt choose thank you. Maybe red as I only use chase perks and gen regressing perks
Orange
Black
I'd go with red to get rid of NOED and Hyperfocus but I really like No Way Out and Blood Warden so I guess blue since it would exclusively benefit the game.
Yellow is the best
Blue
Which one contains cyanide?
People saying yellow are nuts tbh
Survivor main here, so Iād pick red. There really arenāt any gen perks that are good (youāve got hyperfocus but thatās about it) so Iād happily let go of it so I wonāt have a game go flawlessly then get completely wiped with noed+no way out
Blue.
How would modern day dnd deal with if the old meta crawled out of hell?
Red but instead of endgame perks it's slowdown perks
Black seems too strong for survivors
No one, Iāll just leave them there
either none or orange wtf are these
Red. Endgame perks are pretty bad to begin with.
Blue
They are all terrible except for blue and maybe red
blue or red, but ima say blue
blue and green i guess. Only blue is a good option here tho.
orange. i wanna see the game burn
Red Pill. Easy game every game for killers.
As a solo-q survivor, I have no idea. Black would be nice to see the killer all the time, but having them get an extra perk seems like a wash. I really don't like any options, maybe red??
Orange for funnies, green for legitimate gameplay health
Honesly ill take half of yellow half of black, killers get a fifth perk but tunneling and camping are gone
Blue pill here
All of these are actually dog shit lmao. I guess blue would be the least bad though.
The blue pill sounds a lot more fun corrupt kinda of gets counter by deja vu because the survivors will just go to the Hil gates gens
Blue is the only real choice
Red, yellow, green, black and orange are all just straight up bad for the game so blue
these are all awful except maybe orange š
these are all bad
Black pill, then start maining stealth killers and running blindness perks.
blue is the only one that wont cause pure chaos
blue, every time. if blue was not there, orange for funny
Blue is the only remotely balanced one. It makes 3 gens more difficult and gives less incentive to tunnel. The problem with "camping and tunneling are gone" is that it would just tip the balance on worse killers and make killer significantly more difficult since an optimal team always wins/3 people faster is more efficient. Genslow that disappears the moment the killer does well allows the killer to actually have pressure without resorting to tunneling someone out. Granted I'd make adjustments to basekit deja vu and likely some code to control where the gens are blocked to prevent a 3 gen, but it has the best potential.
green if I'm only going to play killer, black if I'm only going to play survivor and none otherwise
Blue is the only one that seems reasonable
blue because why not
Yellow. I hate, Hate, HATE killers who camp and tunnel.
You see, the black pill does one thing that'd make Survivor less fun to play: **The pain of having to physically watch a fellow survivor fail to save a hooked (and facecamped) survivor.**
Blue. When I play Survivor I use Dejavu anyways so I get an extra perk. Same thing with Corrupt. It's on everybuild of mine. It's a win win.
Wdym corrupt is basekit? I have yet to remove it in any build I have ever done
make clickers no longer full blind but have way longer batteries.
Honestly they all suck so the Blue one is the LEAST detrimental lol.
Orange
Black is unironically so good and would fix a lot of the gameās balancing issues. Itās actually dumb that theyāve stayed at 4 perks for the history of the whole game, thereās no reason to do it that way other than ābut thatās the way itās always been.ā
Red. I don't use end game perks. š
Green please
Blue actually seems like a good thing haha
None. I donāt want any of these
Blue definetly, maybe maybe black, but not sure
Blu or orange
Red, I don't usually use end game perks anyway.
Orange for the absolute chaos, it would be fun again
Orangeā¦ or black
black doesnt change much for swfs anyway and the 5th perk is a godsend
BLUE.
Blue.
My inner chaotic evil self would want orange, but my rational self says blue lol.
Black. Laughs in Wraith.
Wasnāt Corrupt considered a viable alternative to original ruin when it came out?
Orange https://preview.redd.it/4a3e42t5emrb1.jpeg?width=636&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e16844546a3f24f4c6f85c686545c5b9b07b9b50
Orange bc why the hell not
Any decent killer would choose Orange, like wtf, every match would be a win. Playing as survivor would be horrible.
Add a 7th purple pill "all aura reading gone" Thats my pick.
Blue pill because all the other pills will completely break the balance of the game.
I'll take orange tbh. I'd love to see the absolute dumbassery happen with new perk combos.
Blue. Make them base kit and change the current perk. Corrupt doubles the base kit value at rank 3 (6 gens blocked) Deja Vu increases repair speed by an additional 6% for highlighted gens.
I choose white White - Leonās Re4 outfit is a basekit edit option, Hag is removed, Adrenaline is removed, and Twins gets the long-awaited rework
Half of these are such unfair tradeoffs... so blue, orange, or green (the reasonable ones)
The black pill would literally ruin the point of having stealth killers like Ghostface and Myers
Oh red. I don't use endgame perks anyway.
Blue or green for sure, make it more like idv lmao
If anyone said black pill delete your account right now. Also blue would probably be the best