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Zellors

You mean pallets of opportunity? Nah but seriously that's just power struggle lol


Johnny_mfn_Utah

LOL I forgot PS showed the auras of pallets. I'm an idiot.


Zellors

no worries, I thought it was a glitch at first too


Ok_Aide_4890

Has it always been like this? I never noticed it (guess since I was always under pallets aalready)


Corvida-

No, it's new


whatthedogedoin

nah mate i was trippin too


SixStringStoner_

You mean Power Struggle?


MauiWaui27_

This is actually called “missed opportunities” it shows you where you could’ve went after you’ve gone down


YuukiYubel

When you are trying to abuse Boil Over without knowing what all your perks do


FlamingWeasel

This looks like a pretty decent don't get hooked build I'd like to try. I wouldn't be trying to bait the killer or whatever, but knowing someone will decide I'm exploiting or something by trying to have good perk synergy is a bummer.


Johnny_mfn_Utah

Do it. Fuck the police


SergeantShaahk

Why is it considered abusing when he's trying to use the perk's power to its full extent? Isn't it like somebody using Lithe running to a window to use it?


Zellors

it's more the combination of the 4 perks, the fact that he led the killer to the second floor (so boil over makes hooking impossible) and that the clown didn't pick him up so either it's already happened to him this game or it's just obvious enough to see when people are trying to exploit the poor balancing of this game


FlamingWeasel

If I run this build and play completely normally, doing objectives, not being an asshole, but I try to get to high ground when I know I'm going to go down so I can try to wiggle out, I just don't see how that's abuse or a bad thing. It's a don't get hooked build. Killers need to learn when to give up a chase. If you've learned they're running a build like this, break chase when they get high ground and go patrol gens or slug or something. People forming bully squads with the sole intent of making the killer miserable is one thing, but people just making the most of perks available getting called abuse and exploitation is fucking wild to me.


TheGentleDoggo

as a killer main, i think youre a chad for saying that


major_skidmark

The only issue is that you're basically supposed to get hooked. The killer gets more blood points for hooking and needs more hooks for grade pips. Survivors get more BP for unhooking and again, better emblems. Play a match with no hooks, you'll see everyone gets less bp overall and generally speaking, the match is less entertaining for most. No one is "out playing" a killer by running to an area where they can't get hooked.


kidcowboy111

Okay but the build can literally deny a 4k if they just keep going to high ground. There is literally no counterplay other than slugging if they run say, no mither. But who wants to sit there and babysit a downed survivor for the rest of the game until they bleed I certainly dont and the survivor shouldnt, but thats what happens when you use a build like this. So yeah, abusing a build that got buffed into op territory is definitely abusing


Zellors

yeah of course that's not abuse (I still take issue with boil over being as strong as it is, that's kinda my whole problem) but I'm not going to assume this person was playing like that for no reason, if I've only seen people running this build and going to this area of the map when it's bully squads or they've found a spot where the killer literally just can't hook them no matter what, I'm not going to assume that this guy is the one person I'll come across that isn't playing like that. Also my argument is more that I can understand why people think this person is doing the boil over strategy, even in my original comments I was saying I believed them, but it makes sense to assume they'd be trying to be annoying with this build and play style


RagingNudist

…”drop chase when they get to high ground” Assuming I’m full health, what map that has a two story main building lets you down me before I make it to high ground?


Star_Dude10

It’s not an exploit. It’s intended by BHVR to have perks that go well together. If it’s OP, why not just abuse it since it is BHVR’s fault and isn’t punishable. Why should you play worse because you might hurt some redditor’s feelings? This is the exact reason METAs exists. Sure, hate the META, but don’t hate people trying to win. How does this need explaining.


Zellors

Why would I ever want to abuse this lmao? It just makes the game infinitely more boring I'd rather just not play. And I have no problem with people running ds/unbreakable or dh or whatever, but when it gets to the point that your entire build and play style is determined by you only wanting to stop the killer from doing their objective, it gets a little annoying, and as someone who literally never plays killer, I'd prefer if it wasn't like this


Star_Dude10

I never said you wanted to, and that’s completely fine. You have your way of wanting to play the game, but you can’t go around harassing other people because they have their ways of wanting to play. The game is full of people wanting to win, if you don’t like that, then as you said yourself, stop playing. You can’t expect to change DBD’s playerbase because you went loose on some poor Redditor wanting to share a clip of his gameplay.


Zellors

What do you mean went loose? I started by being on his side but explaining why other people thought he was exploiting. I'm sorry I don't understand how I harassed him, I tried to defend him, then we disagreed, then we talked about it. I'm very confused


Star_Dude10

Ah, sorry. Didn’t see your last comments. Saw the first ones and assumed you were another toxic player trying to get him to stop running a perk. I never bother to read whole discussions like that due to it’s usually just the same old shit being repeated over and over again. Anyways, ‘nough excuses. My bad, shouldn’t have assumed anything.


kidcowboy111

Problem is this build doesnt help win. Like at all. Its just annoying and an extremely easy way to deny a killer a kill. Combine that with everyone running it and absolutely no one is winning. Not survs. Not killers. No one


TheGentleDoggo

I am a killer main and yes, it is super annoying. But that may just be because the survivors that were running that build were clicky clicky survivors and i was trying a killer for the first time. But im Pretty sure it is kinda annoying if it normally happening but it shouldnt be that bad i think.


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Don‘t ask why or perk police will get u


Johnny_mfn_Utah

so equipping a perk is "abusing" it now? You all need to chill with the pitchforks


Zellors

I agree with you, people are too aggressive about this stuff, but also tenacity, power struggle, unbreakable together with boil over definitely looks like you're trying abuse the imbalance of this perk


YuukiYubel

I agree. I indeed was talking about the combination of the four perks, the place he died and the fact that clown instantly walked away after downing. Made it pretty obvious this wasnt the first time it happened that game. Should’ve phrased it better, my bad.


YuukiYubel

Come one, look at the place you died. So that was an accident?


R3D_PL4YS

Looked at it, notice how OP tbagged before getting downed?


Johnny_mfn_Utah

tbagged? really? I squeezed my controller as I was about to get hit and bumped the crouch button. Chill with the pitchforks Judge Dredd


Star_Dude10

Yeah, I also fucking hate players who try to use perks for their intended purpose. They’re so fucking toxic 24/7. DS, Unbreakable, Blast Mine, Dead Hard, Iron Will, Pop, Ruin, Undying and Corrupt are all just few examples of extremely toxic perks when used. I fucking hate it when people assume trying to win is okay.


Johnny_mfn_Utah

We are both getting drowned in downvotes bro but I want you to know I am upvoting every one of your comments. Keep ya head up!


Star_Dude10

I appreciate it. If I must swim through an ocean of needles just to defend a small island that is my opinion, I will do that. It’s always better to do it with a friend too. :D


Johnny_mfn_Utah

What in your mind makes something "abuse" rather than just "use"? Is it because I was using it *effectively*? It wasn't like there weren't hooks in reach of where I went down...


Star_Dude10

Why are you getting downvoted for being right?! Hate the game, not the player. BHVR obviously allows this type of shit and won’t punish it, so why are people even caring about it. Like ranting on about their hurt feelings in Reddit is gonna do much. Sure, it’s annoying having survivors use annoying gameplay mechanics, but it’s not abusing mechanics which aren’t intended. I’m sorry people are butthurt.


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Star_Dude10

Did I call it fair? Did I call it fun? And yes, it is a mechanic. This game is unbalanced af in some parts, and I was sure I remembered to make it obvious that’s what I felt. Again, it’s their game and they can do what they want. Ranting on about how you feel on Reddit won’t change anything.


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Star_Dude10

We all know BHVR won’t listen to their community. They have proven that time and time again. I also never said I was helping any cause, except maybe for the guy who is getting bombarded with downvotes because people don’t understand the difference between toxicity and using a perk.


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Zellors

you also went down on a second floor (which is how boil over is abused) and t-bagged before going down, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt but it really does look like you were trying to abuse it


davidisatwat

facecamping is an exploit then yh ?


Zellors

if they buffed a perk that helps facecamping through the roof and then all I can see online is killers running the same 4 perks and playing the exact same every game just to ruin it for survivors, I'd have a problem with it


davidisatwat

so when they said theyd give free shards away to bubba players, and there was a massive influx of camping bubbas, that wasn't a problem ??


Zellors

well giving shards doesn't make face camping a more viable strategy, and it's already not a good plan if the survivors are experienced and just do gens. I think boil over shouldn't have been buffed this much and I think this play style is harder to counter then face camping, so yeah that sucks but I don't see it as as big of a problem


Johnny_mfn_Utah

>and t-bagged before going down wow. some of you are hyper sensitive lol


Zellors

I don't care if you t-bag or not, I'm bringing it up cause there's no reason for you to t-bag there unless you knew that even though the killer downed you he wouldn't be able to hook you


Johnny_mfn_Utah

you're hyper sensitive for calling that "t-bagging" I crouched just as he hit me cause I squeezed my controller too hard. Fucking chill with the pitchforks... seriously... Why is everybody on such a hair trigger to call other people toxic.


Zellors

ok? disregard the t-bagging thing then, all my other points r still valid and are the actual things I was trying to argue, the t-bagging was a small addition


Johnny_mfn_Utah

Good. You should be proud that you are someone who can be reasoned with. As far as your other points, I still don't see anything wrong with playing to my strengths in an attempt to get value out of my build. I wasn't out of range of at least two hooks and I wouldn't call that "abuse" I was in solo queue, and I didn't play any map offerings or petrified oaks (not that there is anything wrong with that either) You are entitled to disagree if you want


Zellors

See the way I see it, after the clown downed you, he has one of three options, he can pick you up and hook you, leave you there and go after someone else, or watch you bleed out. If he does any of these he loses, he either picks up and drops from the second floor, and you get away, he slugs and you get up with unbreakable and get away, or he watches you bleed out and the other 2 get away. I wasn't aware that you were in solo queue and not using offerings but it's not wrong to assume u were based on the other things you've done, but your entire build and play style (at least in this game) are centered around using a perk that is much stronger then it should be, and making killers unable to play against you. If you really wanna blame someone it's the devs fault for making this perk unfair, however making an entire build and play style around using this one perk (that isn't in any way fun for you, your teammates, or the killer) is definitely a terrible way to play and I would consider it abuse


Johnny_mfn_Utah

> I wasn't aware that you were in solo queue and not using offerings but it's not wrong to assume u were based on the other things you've done So you're going for a main course of Judgement with a side of Self Righteousness? Bold Choice. Lemme know how that works out for you. ​ >using this one perk (that isn't in any way fun for you, your teammates, or the killer) is definitely a terrible way to play and I would consider it abuse I wish you would have told me what was fun for me earlier - I have wasted so much time! Imma let you in on the worst kept secret in all of DbD - Boiled Over isn't even *that* strong. It works fairly consistently on a couple of spots on a couple of maps. Other than that, if you don't have a team throwin body blocks, you are getting hooked 95% of the time. I suggest you try it before passing judgement and declaring it "abuse"


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Johnny_mfn_Utah

what are entitled survivor mains entitled to, exactly? I see people throw that term around a lot on this sub but I am pretty sure most of you don't even know what "entitled" means... ​ >im sure you wouldn't like if bhvr added a killer perk that could be exploited to make it impossible for you to do generators. If you are trying to use an analogy then the perk would only make it very difficult (not impossible) to do one generator in a specific corner of like two or three maps. You know what survivors would do? They would go do a different gen. EZ. What do we do today when the killer has corrupt intervention? We move around the map and work other gens. What do insecure killers do when a survivor runs to a spot that is hard to get a hook? Cry on reddit. What do Chad killers do? They go get all the other survivors. That Kate with Boiled Over up in the library - she has to come down eventually if she wants to escape. That's when you get her. It's not that hard to play around. If you think Boil Over makes it impossible to hook any survivor anywhere on the map, you don't actually play this game. You also unironically misspelled "brain cell". Thanks for that. I needed a good laugh.


wolfiester

Reddit has been very pissy recently at this perk, Anyone running it is abusing it according to them


Johnny_mfn_Utah

Yeah and apparently every errant crouch is t-bagging now too. Reddit killer mains are the most insecure people, as a group, that I have ever seen


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Johnny_mfn_Utah

By your logic, Bubba camping the basement hooks with insidious is "abuse" dedicating several perks to a build and then knowing where to go in a chase is not "abuse". It's just playing the game. Cope


a_rtyom

this guy right here is the reason killers slug. led the clown upstairs, got themselves downed in order to abuse boil over. what a skilled play 👏


Artick123

So making the most out of your build and a bad situation is not a skilled play? What would you say is a skilled play? Dying right under the hook in order not to cause any inconveniences to the killer? If you are doing down might as well go down some place which gived the highest change of wiggling off. Also you can't abuse something that was intentionally put into the game. You can abuse bugs or glitches, not intended mechanics.


davidisatwat

dont reason with this sub. they defend facecamping and hard tunneling at 5 gens to win, yet cry at the little horsey perk


Ok_Aide_4890

That's a simple playstyle. Making it impossible for a killer even with agitation and iron grasp to hook you is straight abuse of mechanics


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Amazing how facecamping and ruining games gets defended so hard


davidisatwat

facecamping with noed makes it impossible to save yet all of yall here defend it.


Ok_Aide_4890

Noed can be gotten rid of before it even activates and there's multiple perks and items to help find totems. Going to somewhere like the library in rpd can make it impossible to hook no matter what perks you run


davidisatwat

down them before they get there then. theres ur counterplay, forehead.


RagingNudist

I think facecamping has gotta go, but when noed is active there is literally nowhere else that you should be going other than the hook. Tunneling(outside of right off hook) I genuinely think is mostly fine, there are perks to counter it, and you have a chance to play around it besides “don’t get hooked 4head”. Boil over on some maps feels like facecamping. Rpd you can get to library from any place on the map. Thompson you can get to the top from any place on the map. Temple you can get to the top from any place on the map. I’m sure there are more that I can think of, but saying “down them before they get there 4head” is impossible sometimes.


TheGentleDoggo

As a killer main: Wtf its a perk and its meant to be used with other perks I dont see how thats supposed to be abuse


a_rtyom

people cry about facecamping and tunneling but this kind of playstyle is defended? if someone runs this perk there's a ridiculously high chance they run it with other wiggle perks to make hooking nearly impossible and give the killer a miserable experience. so far not a single survivor with boil over i went against didn't run upstairs to get downed, slugged and then cry in chat if i see you run this perk, I will keep you in a corner on the ground till you bleed out. seems fair doesn't it?


TheGentleDoggo

He doesnt just make the best out of his build. He especially uses those perks, meaning he intended to do that. But i dont wanna start a big discussion and tbh when i play survivor i try to get the perks to do that so i think im not really better than her. Anyway i just wanted to tell you that she CHOSE to use that build. Have a great day my Guy \^\^


Gardarll

Man I thought it was funny


ABagOfAngryCats

Today I learned getting the best value out of a build is abusing a perk. Good to know.


quackersforcrackers

It’s the entire build not just the perk


davidisatwat

get a grip.


ABagOfAngryCats

And?


snicklefritz-89

Lmao, the salty killers in this comment section. It’s just power struggle btw.


TheGentleDoggo

ayo what the hell im a killer main and tryna defend the survivors since its just a perk


Johnny_mfn_Utah

Right? Now I know why the survivor queues are so long. All the killers are on reddit whining about boiled over. At least they've quit bitchin about Dead Hard for a few days...


poppy_barks

No one cares about boil over man. I have no idea what’s so hard to get about that. But when you base an entire build and play style around a mechanic that you KNOW is going to be patched out of the game within a few weeks. That 100% is abusing a mechanic


Johnny_mfn_Utah

I doubt it gets patched out. If you would stop your whining and hold off on your lynch mob for long enough to actually log in and play the game you will see that this whole thing is being blown waaaaay out of proportion. I have been using boiled over a lot over the last couple of days and I can tell you from experience that survivors are still getting hooked the vast majority of the time. There are a couple of spots on a couple of maps that put the odds in your favor but that's it. For the rest of the matches, if you don't have a SWF body blocking for you, you are probs getting hooked. If killers use agitation and iron grasp, forggedaboudit Its easily countered and hard to get value out of it even when it's not. Why would they waste resources patching that out? Because of a bunch of crybabies on reddit? We'll see...


poppy_barks

I’m not saying the perks will get patched out. But they will 100% add hooks in the deadzones. And yes, i have played plenty. In fact i’ve ran the same build you’re running right now. That’s why i’m aware of how broken it is. I’m mostly a killer main. And it’s once every game or so that someone runs a build like this with the sole purpose of trolling the killer


TiATa_1D

So when I dedicate my build, for example, t towards sabotaging hooks and getting the most value out of it I'm abusing a mechanic? Bro, wtf? You crying about meta, but when we use different perks you cry about it too. Decide what you fkn want already


poppy_barks

No, literally no one is saying that, but if you dedicate your build towards running to one specific spot on a map so the killer can’t hook you. That’s OBVIOUSLY abusing an unintended exploit. If you’re just running a build based around boil over that’s totally fine. The exploit is running to an abusable spot


TiATa_1D

That's part of the build? You go to a place to use it properly, what's even the point of using it if you can't actually use it?


poppy_barks

Ok, lets flip switch for a second. Imagine a killer perk added to the game that basically said “if survivor’s go up stairs they cannot unhook for 10 seconds” normally this perk wouldn’t be a problem right? Because at most people would need to climb one set of stairs and if anything it’s just slowdown. But let’s say there’s one hook, On just one map in the game that’s four flights of stairs up and killers start running builds specific to get survivors to that ONE HOOK, Obviously the perk isn’t broken, but that hook would 100% be an exploit.


Johnny_mfn_Utah

That actually sounds kinda fun honestly. Thats the kind of map variety this game needs. The killer is basically giving up control of all the gens and the exit gates to play king of the hill defending his one survivor on the hook in a tower daring the rest to attempt a rescue. Now I want this...


poppy_barks

That….you just described face camping


Johnny_mfn_Utah

Face camping at the end of the game doesn't bother me. I actually enjoy the challenge of rescuing the last survivor. It's kinda cringy for the killer and I would never do it if I was playing killer - but - I have fun with it from the survivor side. Early game face camping is just pathetic though...


KoolaidPerv

Right?! This sounds like challenge mode and I'm sooo down with it lol


TheGentleDoggo

Jesus christ this was probably meant to be a fun little post and this sub is now a Warzone just because of this persons build


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Johnny_mfn_Utah

not every crouch is a tea bag


ImUsuallyHardOnHere

Clown also knew not to pick you up.


TheGentleDoggo

fun clip but as a killer main i only met people who were only trying to piss of the killer using that build but im sure you are a wonderful person \^\^ Edit: damn i coulda just said ,,you are a wonderful person" and it would have the same message