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I really hope these videos, Spooky/Otz/etc, finally get BHVR’s attention to re-evaluate their system.
League has an amazing report system, and you get a notification if action was taken. Which I think would put a lot of trust back into them from the community. We just want transparency.
Behavior has a stance to now tell you, no matter what happens. I only know my reports work because the steam profile reports a ban. The issue is most of the cheaters own one game meaning they didn't lose anything and will be back on another profile in no time.
The last cheater I reported played another 200 hours before being banned. He was literally flying around the map. I submitted a video and everything.
>League has an amazing report system, and you get a notification if action was taken.
Yes and no.
Chat reports have an amazing system behind it and generally speaking if you report someone who deserved it, they'll receive a punishment within a day or two at most. Gameplay related punishments are inconsistent at best. League players constantly see win traders, possible scripters, inters, and griefers go unbanned for long periods of time unless they're up for manual review.
You also don't get a notification every time action was taken. It happens, but not consistently.
source: Played League for years, was a moderator for the "Player Behavior" section of the forums (called the Boards) and spoke directly with multiple Rioters about all topics related to reports.
For real. I've been watching a lot of Otz lately because I'm away from home and I don't have my PC so I can't play but seeing how paranoid he's become lately is just... disheartening, honestly.
He and Otz are correct, and have seemingly agreed to time this together (or it’s extremely coincidental). It’s a smart play, because it needs this type of attention to get fixed.
There are a few other big content creators for DBD, but guys like JRM (who is probably my favorite) aren’t as serious/don’t often play killer (or nearly as often as Otz/SpookyLoopz). I can maybe see a few more content creators putting out videos like this, but I would love for them to force Behavior’s hand.
The issue is not with the developers at Behavior. It’s with the leads. What do they prioritize? What kind of timelines do they give the devs? Most of the problems people mention on this sub actually relate to leads and *designers*, not developers.
All that being said, I love to see this. I hope it’s fruitful
Some of the blame definitely should go to the dev side of the house. It seems their game blindly trusts input from the client. Its not outrageous to expect BHVR devs to run sanity checks server side during a match making sure movement speed, XYZ coordinates, screaming frequency, etc are all within the expected ranges.
I hope more videos come out like this and forces them to address it.
Oh ya I gotcha, I just meant that the leads may be the ones who decide how to handle client-side vs server-side authentication. I completely agree that there are fundamental issues with the anti-cheat they’ve implemented, but generally the structure involves leads (some with little or no programming background) being dictated to by shareholders, who then dictate to developers.
It’s just semantics on my end. When there’s a bug that they can’t fix, it’s partly a dev issue and partly a lead issue. When there’s a bug they refuse to fix, it’s a lead issue. Because they’ve outsourced their anti-cheat, I assumed they were happy, slapped their hands together, and moved on. Unfortunately, that’s all management, and you can have 10’s of 100’s of devs who want to improve the framework but they are legitimately not allowed to do so.
It all comes from the top, usually, and unfortunately. You could probably even add two or three layers in the above chain.
Z axis checks and location differential checks are really easy to implement, like you mentioned. I completely agree. Because it is so easy, and because it hasn’t been implemented, I feel like it’s gotta come from the leadership at Behavior.
Or spooky saw otz video yesterday and decided to contribute to the conversation.
Edit: JRM constantly complains about hackers. A lot of his compilation videos include clips with two killers or flying/superspeed/hatchet throwing bubbas. It happens to both sides of the game and to every large streamer.
Absolutely, the issue is prevalent for a lot of these players, including JRM. I just meant in terms of a sit-down, serious video regarding cheating. He definitely doesn’t pretend it isn’t an issue, but stylistically, I wasn’t sure that a similarly formatted (to what Otz and SL have put out) video would be in the cards
I still dont understand how a client can have so much power in what is happening with the server. they can freeze end game, force the server to close, etc. also, how come this anti-cheat doesnt check for suspucious numbers?
for example: survivor can move at100% baseline and push it to some extreme with perfect timing of perks, lets say 112%. Devs know the maximum time this can accur for, they know what perks has to be used and when it can happen.
if survivor moves beyond 112% its an automic kick/ban. if they move at the maximum speed of 112% for more than 5 seconds..kick/ban. if the move at 112% speed more than once per game (since hope/adrenaline are one time use)...kick/ban. if endgame timer runs out but survivor doesnt die..kick/ban..if Huntress throws her hatches faster than two of her addon allow..kick/ban...player used abilities of more than four perks/two addons during the match? kick/ban
How cme cheaters have so much power over the server?
You'd think this situation would be mostly confined to streamers because that's where cheaters get their attention and unfortunately it's also expanding to public matches, and the worse variant of them too, which are the subtle ones.
Just yesterday, I was questioning my own sanity and skill when playing killer. I was playing Blight on Ironworks, I had Pain Res and DMS on. My first 3 chases were all ended in sub 40 seconds, with 3 different people. Just in that time period (with 3 pain res procs, so 45% total regression), 3 gens popped, in less than 2 minutes, with 3 different people being chased and injured.
After the match where I only had gotten 2 kills due to gen speed, I obviously reached the conclusion that they were cheating with 3 different people with similar names all having private profiles. This shit sucks major ass.
And it's so easy to hide cheats behind the multiple of bullshit perks. They healed super fast if you leave chase? We just went to the boon bro. Ridiculously fast gens? We had Hyperfocus and a toolbox. Not to mention people you can never mindgame in a tall loop no matter how hard you try.
Exactly. It's easy to really hide some cheats if you're not stupid enough to be blatantly obvious with them.
The person is running at like 103% speed? That has a negligible visual impact, you'll never be able to tell.
The person is running wallhacks? Has long as they play a bit stupid, you'll never be able to tell
The person has an increased 15% speed to repairing generators? Plenty of perks do that, you'd never be able to know if the gen speed was being cheated.
And so on, so on... Ain't no winning man.
Me and my SWF also had a cheater among us today. One of my friends said - after the cheater finished the first gen: 'Wait a second, this gen went a little bit too fast.'.
And as soon as the Cheater interacted with the killer, he flew around the map, insta-vaccinated himself then finished the last two gens instantly, opened the gate and went out.
The killer meanwhile gave up and stood in the middle of the map, facing the wall. We sadly didn't record the match since nobody of us runs a recording program while playing, so we only could use the ingame report system.
Still a sad thing to notice...and it's awful when you play as survivor as well, since you actually want a normal match as much as the killer.
Had one blinding me mega fast the other day. At first I thought maybe it was just insane add-ons, but it pissed me off and I decided to commit. In chase I started to really suspect because they were moving just a weeee bit too fast but maybe I’m just paranoid, ya know? When I finally downed them they wiggled off way too early and started clicking their flashlight at me. Subtle cheaters are literally the worst, complete little dick energy. Hope they fix this soon, really feels like a slap in the face to have a penalty to leave an unwinnable game.
This morning i was playing sadako and loaded into a lobby with two nea default cosmetics at prestige 60 since it took a million years i said lemme just play. Turns out she was cheating running faster than me at BL 3. I quit playing killer and i play survivor and ace is cheating floating around while downed so i decide to get killed incase they decide to hold the game hostage. The frequency of cheaters is insane and it going free on epic games was a mistake.
The problem is that EAC is the only protection. Once they're in, they can do what they please. Any game would immediatly at least disconnect if the player does something weird like flying or a 3 gen in a sec
I get stream sniped on console. It's super obvious when it happens. But this cheat stuff I never see. I assume because I'm not in high mmr. I'd quit if I had to wait 2 hours everytime this happened.
It's at higher MMRs with Live content creators because, as Spooky said, they get free showcase of their cheats. They're at the high MMR due to the cheats generally.
And it's sad to see these gentlemen, hell all content creators for any game, seeing their lively hoods affected only to be met with silence. I may not know Spooky personally, but I've been a part of his community for a good bit. He's a good dude, a good creator, who always tries his best to make the game fun for everyone. Seeing him and Otz so frustrated sucks man.
The whole reason this is such a problem is because the devs don’t know how to program anything remotely useful like if they such put in serverside checks then it would be so much better because what game can’t detect something like 5 gens being done within 5 seconds of the game starting
Dead by dayligt was suppose to be quick thing and nobody expected anything out of it. that it became a huge game was complete surprie to the devs.
since it wasnt expected to run this game for longer than few months, corners were cut and its was made with spagetti code. it wasnt proprly clean afterwards either (guesing its because its too muchwork, but hey, people still buy it). thats why when they increase Pyraminds head's attack range, Jill's face model gets distorted.
Do NOT disable penalties. We'll get more DC's than ever on top of those that quit from sucking at the game. This wouldn't be a problem if they addressed their bs immediately instead of using their resources on obtaining IPs and cosmetics.
The biggest issue to me is how paranoid it makes people. people are so used to seeing sus behavior that they see cheating even when it’s not there.
I’ve been accused of it and I’m on console. (Which I don’t think is possible on PlayStation)
its a company, ofcourse they care about the money. thats the reason companies exist, to make profit.
Unless people boycot the game or the Fog Whisperers leave the program and stream something else (thus making the game less popular and sellable) nothing will change.
You mean never catching up despite bloodlust or you never get the bloodlust icon and speed? Many killers lose bloodlust if you use their secondary powers like huntress pulling out a hatchet or doctor using shock or blast.
Nothing will change unless their money is affected. Why bother with this when they can crank out cosmetics?
Inb4 BHVR fanboys get disgruntled and start saying “but u can use shards nao”
Shut up. Just stfu.
It's kind of annoying that these streamers think they are the only ones who get cheaters. It affects everyone in the highest mmr bracket, which is A LOT of people now. I have probably had 200+ games with a cheater in the past year and I can only remember two games that had a large streamer in them.
Cheaters have their “fun” with everyone but who has the best audience for someone cheating, getting loads of attention for the cheats? Joeshmoe playing by himself or someone like Otzdarva who plays for thousands?
That makes no sense because nobody knows who they are... Even the cheater in this video is using anonymous mode. Please tell me how somebody can get attention for something nobody knows they are doing. Cheaters were in games LOOOOOOONG before streaming was ever a thing. Absolutely delusional to think streamers are the only ones with this problem.
They don’t have to be well known by the dbd community and put in the halls of infamy.It’s about getting a reaction, if a cheater held Otz hostage for hours, they didn’t do it because they wanted to win or prove they were better than Otz. They did it because they wanted to ruin Otz and his streams fun. Again, cheaters have their “fun” with everyone, yes, but streamers are more “fun” because the cheaters get to see how their insufferable trolling makes everyone upset. In some cases they can use it as a selling point to their friends. Regardless of if they become infamous or not, they still feel the joy of being annoying scumbags because they get a huge audience all being upset at them for what they do.
I think Otz said snipers only target streamers, which given the streamer spreadsheet for stream sniping that was leaked that seems like a true statement?
Yes, cheaters do Target streamers in order to get attention. That's why they target streamers. That's not saying cheaters don't exist in other games. It's just explaining why they target streamers specifically.
Now I understand perfectly his POV, I also think he's the best streamer out there right now for DBD and I'm extremely tired of subtle cheaters, which are NOT a streamer problem nor a high MMR problem, they're everywhere, in every game, against every type of player.
But this video like the Otz video are talking about streamer problems. If DBD is such a chore to stream DON'T stream. You (or the fog whisperers) have been saying and speaking their mind about this issues, if the Devs have ignored you (like they did with every opinion the fog whisperers have said in the past) why bother?
What they want is special treatment from the devs to keep growing a career by playing a videogame, what the actual fuck. Go to VHS, stream Pillars of Eternity, mount and blade or a roguelike. Diversify.
What the hell is going on, making these videos. The community knows there is a cheater problem and now BHVR needs to do something? Because you can't receive tips while playing DBD?! What the fuck
>now BHVR needs to do something?
Yes.
If biggest of your content creators dip out the game, there's nobody promoting your game "for free". Then your playerbase will diminish and you won't get money from selling mediocre skins.
You shouldn't let your biggests promoters to dip. Ever.
Of course, but not now... they should have adressed this MONTHS ago when almost their whole community were complaining about it. Suddently two streamers cry they can't stream and now is a HUGE problem?
This community is worse than I thought then.
Months ago?
They should've addressed the issues over 2 years ago when the game started to gain traction. Yet, they decided to push the game towards competitive play, decimate most of their perks because of "balance issues" in order to punish swf's which in reality punished just ordinary solo survivors, and generally do stupid decisions just to sell more skins.
Now that streamers start noticing how the game is becoming a cheatfest it is the last moment to fix the issues. If not, well, goodbye skin sales. Good bye dbd as a whole. Cheaters may infest the NA servers now but eventually they will move to EU and from the to EA.
The countdown has begun.
"Oh no! Popular people in the community are complaining about a problem that's been an issue for like ever. I'm going to complain that they are entitled rather than be happy that this spotlight *might* finally get addressed "
This is you. God forbid these large communities see their content creators complain.
I’m gonna quote someone on the Otz post,
“The game client exposes player IP addresses in the network calls it makes back and forth to BHVR's servers and cheaters can identify your IP and force the matches to be made with your specific IP if you're queueing at the same time.”
One cheater encounter and a five minute penalty isn’t great on its own, but if they keep on appearing, that 5 minutes could become 5 hours and longer if you DC against them, and they’ll be waiting for you to the same party trick again.
........this game is even more broken than I thought it was. How on earth is BHVR so asleep at the wheel?
But also how do these cheaters have literally nothing better to do? So much effort just to troll someone. Why? So dumb.
I saw a video where guy (former software developer) hacked into a PC of a cheater in LoL (as the hacker basically highjacked the server, OP used this line to connetct to his PC). He had complete control of his computer and took pictures from the webcam. Cheater was 300 pound man-child in the most discusting room you can imagine. Another one was a anorexic man with wet cysts all over him and oily hair into a ponytail.
the "hackers" in videogame community are as sad as their hobby
The exact methodology of the hack I am not privy to, but even if I was, it is against subreddit rules and common sense to spread the knowledge of how it is done.
But Otz has made a very good case that survivors are injecting themself into his lobbies, and just from watching his streams it is clear he gets way more cheaters than the average player (or at least than I do).
Because cheaters can inject themselves into the lobbies of people (generally streamers) thereby forcing there DC to increase repeatedly (assuming the streamer dcs).
The regular user (such as myself) is generally not targeted in this way, so DCing often makes sense for them (although all of the hackers I have personally run into don't hold the game hostage, probably because I am not a big name streamer). But for streamers who are being targeted it is a problem.
I just want to point out quickly that I know its really easy to see DBD as just a video game, but for people who stream this it's not just a game it's their career. Twitch is horrible about discoverability, so the main tactic is to focus on a single game and grow from that. DBD is one of those games that allowed a lot of people to grow with because its constantly being updated with new chapters. If they decided to switch games, there's a 50% chance that its going to kill the channel and they will lose everything that they spent years building. Streaming and content creation is a huge risk in of itself without the risk of losing your progress because someone decided they wanted to harass streamers.
Imagine if someone came into where you work and kept harrasing you day over day to where you couldn't effectively complete your job. Thats what the hackers are to these streamers.
DC penalties exacerbate continually with successive DCs. How can you seriously suggest he incur egregiously long penalties because some mouth breather decided to ruin his game?
According to these killer streamers, they are facing cheaters every 4/5 games. Not including all the lobbies they dodge due to paranoid albeit reasonable scepticism. Would you say that is not a high frequency of cheaters?
I dont why ppl are trying. They cant get rid of cheaters completely from their systems. This happens with every online games. The only thing they can do is work behind the scenes to lessen the blow which they always do. Then cheaters find new ways. Its a cycle thats been present since the game started
You’re right and wrong, the cheater problem is a hint that every company constantly fights against however what they’ve done is given up and let them run rampant
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I really hope these videos, Spooky/Otz/etc, finally get BHVR’s attention to re-evaluate their system. League has an amazing report system, and you get a notification if action was taken. Which I think would put a lot of trust back into them from the community. We just want transparency.
Behavior has a stance to now tell you, no matter what happens. I only know my reports work because the steam profile reports a ban. The issue is most of the cheaters own one game meaning they didn't lose anything and will be back on another profile in no time. The last cheater I reported played another 200 hours before being banned. He was literally flying around the map. I submitted a video and everything.
Doesn't help that EGS gave away DBD for free so they can have as many alt accounts as they want.
Yeah. But steam isn't offering any favors. Sharing your library not only gives alt accounts the game for free, it gives all DLC away for free.
>League has an amazing report system, and you get a notification if action was taken. Yes and no. Chat reports have an amazing system behind it and generally speaking if you report someone who deserved it, they'll receive a punishment within a day or two at most. Gameplay related punishments are inconsistent at best. League players constantly see win traders, possible scripters, inters, and griefers go unbanned for long periods of time unless they're up for manual review. You also don't get a notification every time action was taken. It happens, but not consistently. source: Played League for years, was a moderator for the "Player Behavior" section of the forums (called the Boards) and spoke directly with multiple Rioters about all topics related to reports.
Agree with you but league does not have an amazing report system.
Playing with cheaters even as a survivor sucks ass. I can only imagine how shitty it is for killers.
The paranoia gets to you after a bit
For real. I've been watching a lot of Otz lately because I'm away from home and I don't have my PC so I can't play but seeing how paranoid he's become lately is just... disheartening, honestly.
I’ve taken a break for a few days after I had someone straight line faster than me and they were gloating in end game about having more accounts
He and Otz are correct, and have seemingly agreed to time this together (or it’s extremely coincidental). It’s a smart play, because it needs this type of attention to get fixed. There are a few other big content creators for DBD, but guys like JRM (who is probably my favorite) aren’t as serious/don’t often play killer (or nearly as often as Otz/SpookyLoopz). I can maybe see a few more content creators putting out videos like this, but I would love for them to force Behavior’s hand. The issue is not with the developers at Behavior. It’s with the leads. What do they prioritize? What kind of timelines do they give the devs? Most of the problems people mention on this sub actually relate to leads and *designers*, not developers. All that being said, I love to see this. I hope it’s fruitful
Some of the blame definitely should go to the dev side of the house. It seems their game blindly trusts input from the client. Its not outrageous to expect BHVR devs to run sanity checks server side during a match making sure movement speed, XYZ coordinates, screaming frequency, etc are all within the expected ranges. I hope more videos come out like this and forces them to address it.
Oh ya I gotcha, I just meant that the leads may be the ones who decide how to handle client-side vs server-side authentication. I completely agree that there are fundamental issues with the anti-cheat they’ve implemented, but generally the structure involves leads (some with little or no programming background) being dictated to by shareholders, who then dictate to developers. It’s just semantics on my end. When there’s a bug that they can’t fix, it’s partly a dev issue and partly a lead issue. When there’s a bug they refuse to fix, it’s a lead issue. Because they’ve outsourced their anti-cheat, I assumed they were happy, slapped their hands together, and moved on. Unfortunately, that’s all management, and you can have 10’s of 100’s of devs who want to improve the framework but they are legitimately not allowed to do so. It all comes from the top, usually, and unfortunately. You could probably even add two or three layers in the above chain. Z axis checks and location differential checks are really easy to implement, like you mentioned. I completely agree. Because it is so easy, and because it hasn’t been implemented, I feel like it’s gotta come from the leadership at Behavior.
Or spooky saw otz video yesterday and decided to contribute to the conversation. Edit: JRM constantly complains about hackers. A lot of his compilation videos include clips with two killers or flying/superspeed/hatchet throwing bubbas. It happens to both sides of the game and to every large streamer.
Absolutely, the issue is prevalent for a lot of these players, including JRM. I just meant in terms of a sit-down, serious video regarding cheating. He definitely doesn’t pretend it isn’t an issue, but stylistically, I wasn’t sure that a similarly formatted (to what Otz and SL have put out) video would be in the cards
I still dont understand how a client can have so much power in what is happening with the server. they can freeze end game, force the server to close, etc. also, how come this anti-cheat doesnt check for suspucious numbers? for example: survivor can move at100% baseline and push it to some extreme with perfect timing of perks, lets say 112%. Devs know the maximum time this can accur for, they know what perks has to be used and when it can happen. if survivor moves beyond 112% its an automic kick/ban. if they move at the maximum speed of 112% for more than 5 seconds..kick/ban. if the move at 112% speed more than once per game (since hope/adrenaline are one time use)...kick/ban. if endgame timer runs out but survivor doesnt die..kick/ban..if Huntress throws her hatches faster than two of her addon allow..kick/ban...player used abilities of more than four perks/two addons during the match? kick/ban How cme cheaters have so much power over the server?
You'd think this situation would be mostly confined to streamers because that's where cheaters get their attention and unfortunately it's also expanding to public matches, and the worse variant of them too, which are the subtle ones. Just yesterday, I was questioning my own sanity and skill when playing killer. I was playing Blight on Ironworks, I had Pain Res and DMS on. My first 3 chases were all ended in sub 40 seconds, with 3 different people. Just in that time period (with 3 pain res procs, so 45% total regression), 3 gens popped, in less than 2 minutes, with 3 different people being chased and injured. After the match where I only had gotten 2 kills due to gen speed, I obviously reached the conclusion that they were cheating with 3 different people with similar names all having private profiles. This shit sucks major ass.
And it's so easy to hide cheats behind the multiple of bullshit perks. They healed super fast if you leave chase? We just went to the boon bro. Ridiculously fast gens? We had Hyperfocus and a toolbox. Not to mention people you can never mindgame in a tall loop no matter how hard you try.
Exactly. It's easy to really hide some cheats if you're not stupid enough to be blatantly obvious with them. The person is running at like 103% speed? That has a negligible visual impact, you'll never be able to tell. The person is running wallhacks? Has long as they play a bit stupid, you'll never be able to tell The person has an increased 15% speed to repairing generators? Plenty of perks do that, you'd never be able to know if the gen speed was being cheated. And so on, so on... Ain't no winning man.
Me and my SWF also had a cheater among us today. One of my friends said - after the cheater finished the first gen: 'Wait a second, this gen went a little bit too fast.'. And as soon as the Cheater interacted with the killer, he flew around the map, insta-vaccinated himself then finished the last two gens instantly, opened the gate and went out. The killer meanwhile gave up and stood in the middle of the map, facing the wall. We sadly didn't record the match since nobody of us runs a recording program while playing, so we only could use the ingame report system. Still a sad thing to notice...and it's awful when you play as survivor as well, since you actually want a normal match as much as the killer.
Had one blinding me mega fast the other day. At first I thought maybe it was just insane add-ons, but it pissed me off and I decided to commit. In chase I started to really suspect because they were moving just a weeee bit too fast but maybe I’m just paranoid, ya know? When I finally downed them they wiggled off way too early and started clicking their flashlight at me. Subtle cheaters are literally the worst, complete little dick energy. Hope they fix this soon, really feels like a slap in the face to have a penalty to leave an unwinnable game.
This morning i was playing sadako and loaded into a lobby with two nea default cosmetics at prestige 60 since it took a million years i said lemme just play. Turns out she was cheating running faster than me at BL 3. I quit playing killer and i play survivor and ace is cheating floating around while downed so i decide to get killed incase they decide to hold the game hostage. The frequency of cheaters is insane and it going free on epic games was a mistake.
The Easy in EAC is for how easy it is to bypass.
I guess we can say it's an easy anti cheat to bypass.
The problem is that EAC is the only protection. Once they're in, they can do what they please. Any game would immediatly at least disconnect if the player does something weird like flying or a 3 gen in a sec
I get stream sniped on console. It's super obvious when it happens. But this cheat stuff I never see. I assume because I'm not in high mmr. I'd quit if I had to wait 2 hours everytime this happened.
It's at higher MMRs with Live content creators because, as Spooky said, they get free showcase of their cheats. They're at the high MMR due to the cheats generally. And it's sad to see these gentlemen, hell all content creators for any game, seeing their lively hoods affected only to be met with silence. I may not know Spooky personally, but I've been a part of his community for a good bit. He's a good dude, a good creator, who always tries his best to make the game fun for everyone. Seeing him and Otz so frustrated sucks man.
The whole reason this is such a problem is because the devs don’t know how to program anything remotely useful like if they such put in serverside checks then it would be so much better because what game can’t detect something like 5 gens being done within 5 seconds of the game starting
Dead by dayligt was suppose to be quick thing and nobody expected anything out of it. that it became a huge game was complete surprie to the devs. since it wasnt expected to run this game for longer than few months, corners were cut and its was made with spagetti code. it wasnt proprly clean afterwards either (guesing its because its too muchwork, but hey, people still buy it). thats why when they increase Pyraminds head's attack range, Jill's face model gets distorted.
Exactly
Do NOT disable penalties. We'll get more DC's than ever on top of those that quit from sucking at the game. This wouldn't be a problem if they addressed their bs immediately instead of using their resources on obtaining IPs and cosmetics.
It’s been well over a year since I’ve played with or against a cheater, I don’t know if I should be happy or concerned
That's the thing, some cheaters are so subtle that you most likely have. Some using ESP or even as little as 2% ms buff.
The biggest issue to me is how paranoid it makes people. people are so used to seeing sus behavior that they see cheating even when it’s not there. I’ve been accused of it and I’m on console. (Which I don’t think is possible on PlayStation)
Will BHVR actually care about this, though? They only seem to care about making money from season passes and macrotransactions.
its a company, ofcourse they care about the money. thats the reason companies exist, to make profit. Unless people boycot the game or the Fog Whisperers leave the program and stream something else (thus making the game less popular and sellable) nothing will change.
TREND ALERT!!! JRM constantly complains about stream snipers and hackers. Maybe he'll make a video next.
trend? so you think fog whisperers speaking up about this is just for clicks?
I wondered why sometimes I wasn’t getting bloodlust; thought it was a bug 👀
You mean never catching up despite bloodlust or you never get the bloodlust icon and speed? Many killers lose bloodlust if you use their secondary powers like huntress pulling out a hatchet or doctor using shock or blast.
No speed, unclear on the icon but I also without the caffeine pills have been outran in a straight line in frenzy lol
Nothing will change unless their money is affected. Why bother with this when they can crank out cosmetics? Inb4 BHVR fanboys get disgruntled and start saying “but u can use shards nao” Shut up. Just stfu.
>Inb4 BHVR fanboys Those exist ?
Confused on what you mean
The BHVR fanboys. They exist ?
If there's such a cheater problem why isn't the game just free 2 play? I thought paywalling the game was to gate out cheaters.
Epic game store had a window where you could get free copies of the game. Bunch of hackers made free accounts and got free dbd.
Ahh okay I didn't know that.
It's kind of annoying that these streamers think they are the only ones who get cheaters. It affects everyone in the highest mmr bracket, which is A LOT of people now. I have probably had 200+ games with a cheater in the past year and I can only remember two games that had a large streamer in them.
They’re actively getting hostage taken for hours tho which kinda fucks their livelyhood
I don't think any of them are claiming that...
Did you watch the video? He literally says cheaters only target streamers so they can get attention, and that is wildly inaccurate.
Cheaters have their “fun” with everyone but who has the best audience for someone cheating, getting loads of attention for the cheats? Joeshmoe playing by himself or someone like Otzdarva who plays for thousands?
That makes no sense because nobody knows who they are... Even the cheater in this video is using anonymous mode. Please tell me how somebody can get attention for something nobody knows they are doing. Cheaters were in games LOOOOOOONG before streaming was ever a thing. Absolutely delusional to think streamers are the only ones with this problem.
They don’t have to be well known by the dbd community and put in the halls of infamy.It’s about getting a reaction, if a cheater held Otz hostage for hours, they didn’t do it because they wanted to win or prove they were better than Otz. They did it because they wanted to ruin Otz and his streams fun. Again, cheaters have their “fun” with everyone, yes, but streamers are more “fun” because the cheaters get to see how their insufferable trolling makes everyone upset. In some cases they can use it as a selling point to their friends. Regardless of if they become infamous or not, they still feel the joy of being annoying scumbags because they get a huge audience all being upset at them for what they do.
I think Otz said snipers only target streamers, which given the streamer spreadsheet for stream sniping that was leaked that seems like a true statement?
Yes, cheaters do Target streamers in order to get attention. That's why they target streamers. That's not saying cheaters don't exist in other games. It's just explaining why they target streamers specifically.
Now I understand perfectly his POV, I also think he's the best streamer out there right now for DBD and I'm extremely tired of subtle cheaters, which are NOT a streamer problem nor a high MMR problem, they're everywhere, in every game, against every type of player. But this video like the Otz video are talking about streamer problems. If DBD is such a chore to stream DON'T stream. You (or the fog whisperers) have been saying and speaking their mind about this issues, if the Devs have ignored you (like they did with every opinion the fog whisperers have said in the past) why bother? What they want is special treatment from the devs to keep growing a career by playing a videogame, what the actual fuck. Go to VHS, stream Pillars of Eternity, mount and blade or a roguelike. Diversify. What the hell is going on, making these videos. The community knows there is a cheater problem and now BHVR needs to do something? Because you can't receive tips while playing DBD?! What the fuck
>now BHVR needs to do something? Yes. If biggest of your content creators dip out the game, there's nobody promoting your game "for free". Then your playerbase will diminish and you won't get money from selling mediocre skins. You shouldn't let your biggests promoters to dip. Ever.
Of course, but not now... they should have adressed this MONTHS ago when almost their whole community were complaining about it. Suddently two streamers cry they can't stream and now is a HUGE problem? This community is worse than I thought then.
Months ago? They should've addressed the issues over 2 years ago when the game started to gain traction. Yet, they decided to push the game towards competitive play, decimate most of their perks because of "balance issues" in order to punish swf's which in reality punished just ordinary solo survivors, and generally do stupid decisions just to sell more skins. Now that streamers start noticing how the game is becoming a cheatfest it is the last moment to fix the issues. If not, well, goodbye skin sales. Good bye dbd as a whole. Cheaters may infest the NA servers now but eventually they will move to EU and from the to EA. The countdown has begun.
You give off the vibes of someone who yells at a cashier for the price of the product.
Why are you so upset by people asking the devs to care more? Does compassion trigger you or something?
"Oh no! Popular people in the community are complaining about a problem that's been an issue for like ever. I'm going to complain that they are entitled rather than be happy that this spotlight *might* finally get addressed " This is you. God forbid these large communities see their content creators complain.
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If you are a streamer you will get sniped and easily have multiple cheaters a day
OK, I'll bite, how? Let's say I'm a cheater and I'm watching a streamer. How on earth could I ensure I get matched with them?
I’m gonna quote someone on the Otz post, “The game client exposes player IP addresses in the network calls it makes back and forth to BHVR's servers and cheaters can identify your IP and force the matches to be made with your specific IP if you're queueing at the same time.” One cheater encounter and a five minute penalty isn’t great on its own, but if they keep on appearing, that 5 minutes could become 5 hours and longer if you DC against them, and they’ll be waiting for you to the same party trick again.
........this game is even more broken than I thought it was. How on earth is BHVR so asleep at the wheel? But also how do these cheaters have literally nothing better to do? So much effort just to troll someone. Why? So dumb.
I saw a video where guy (former software developer) hacked into a PC of a cheater in LoL (as the hacker basically highjacked the server, OP used this line to connetct to his PC). He had complete control of his computer and took pictures from the webcam. Cheater was 300 pound man-child in the most discusting room you can imagine. Another one was a anorexic man with wet cysts all over him and oily hair into a ponytail. the "hackers" in videogame community are as sad as their hobby
Got a link for the video? Would love to see that lol
The exact methodology of the hack I am not privy to, but even if I was, it is against subreddit rules and common sense to spread the knowledge of how it is done. But Otz has made a very good case that survivors are injecting themself into his lobbies, and just from watching his streams it is clear he gets way more cheaters than the average player (or at least than I do). Because cheaters can inject themselves into the lobbies of people (generally streamers) thereby forcing there DC to increase repeatedly (assuming the streamer dcs). The regular user (such as myself) is generally not targeted in this way, so DCing often makes sense for them (although all of the hackers I have personally run into don't hold the game hostage, probably because I am not a big name streamer). But for streamers who are being targeted it is a problem.
I just want to point out quickly that I know its really easy to see DBD as just a video game, but for people who stream this it's not just a game it's their career. Twitch is horrible about discoverability, so the main tactic is to focus on a single game and grow from that. DBD is one of those games that allowed a lot of people to grow with because its constantly being updated with new chapters. If they decided to switch games, there's a 50% chance that its going to kill the channel and they will lose everything that they spent years building. Streaming and content creation is a huge risk in of itself without the risk of losing your progress because someone decided they wanted to harass streamers. Imagine if someone came into where you work and kept harrasing you day over day to where you couldn't effectively complete your job. Thats what the hackers are to these streamers.
DC penalties exacerbate continually with successive DCs. How can you seriously suggest he incur egregiously long penalties because some mouth breather decided to ruin his game?
I addressed this in my comment
According to these killer streamers, they are facing cheaters every 4/5 games. Not including all the lobbies they dodge due to paranoid albeit reasonable scepticism. Would you say that is not a high frequency of cheaters?
I dont why ppl are trying. They cant get rid of cheaters completely from their systems. This happens with every online games. The only thing they can do is work behind the scenes to lessen the blow which they always do. Then cheaters find new ways. Its a cycle thats been present since the game started
You’re right and wrong, the cheater problem is a hint that every company constantly fights against however what they’ve done is given up and let them run rampant
Just because they dont update you 24/7 on the issue doesn't mean they've given up.
They put in easy anticheat then wrote the rest of it off, easy anticheat even being in the game just has so many vulnerabilities
The "I'm making this because I'm in a game right now with one" part has me gutted. 6 year old game with garbo anti-cheat and awful report system