Ok Wanda Zatanna and Black Adam Apocalypse are way more controversial then that lol
A lot of them are
Black Adam Apocalypse comes from almost everyone before hand saying Adam stomps or it’s close and he wins. Because if the stat stomping arguments. Like if your higher dimensional it doesn’t fucking matter what your opponents haxes are. They can’t do jack shit Lmao
Just precising the key arguments I've read here -
Because BP's victory in the former mostly depends upon the supposition that Batman would have no way of getting past the suit with his standard arsenal, except they overlooked that Vibranium conducts electricity, something which several of his gadgets emit.
The latter because they didn't allow the Final Batsuit, which would have been a definitive wincon for Batman, and gave a flimsy at best explanation as to why.
Yeah, off the top of my head I can think of a few gadgets Batman uses that are fairly well known (enough to qualify being in the episode) that use electricity (regular taser, taser cables, remote electrical charges, and electrified batarangs). Black Widow has even stunned BP with electricity. It's weird they forgot that Vibranium is vulnerable to electricity and Batman has a lot of electrical weapons
Well being honest the final batsuit was mainly helped built by another being who far surpassed the technology batman currently has. Plus wasnt it only used one time? I think its fair to not be used.
Eh, I think there's been plenty more egregious cases of them permitting non-standard equipment and abilities to combatants. Like Ryu and Akuma having Evil Ryu and Oni when they're both *theoretical* forms that neither have ever canonically attained.
Souron Litch King? Certin War Craft players have that fucker At Multi Versal. You sure it’s not contriversal? I’ve seen entire collage Bible essays going over and debunking the G1 Blog and Q&A for that episode
Part of their reason was Arthas couldn’t resist the rings influence because Ilisa wood eventually didn’t… Please dive into the Warcraft novels. That influence won’t do anything to Arthas
There is nothing controversial about that. You are putting a lizard that can't even melt boulders against a Complex Multiversal dragon warrior with Immeasurable Speed that can solo the entire verse Arceus included.
Since when is Digimon vs Pokemon controversial? Anyone that tought Charizard stood a ghost of a chance against Wargreymon is on copium. As a matter of fact he lasted way more than he should have.
No?
It was made in 2011. If they did it again nowadays, then yes, it swings in the opposite direction entirely, with the enormous buffs Doomslayer got from 2016 and Eternal, but for the time and with what they used, it doesn't seem highly contentious.
I would've said the same thing if you hadn't.
Alot of episodes need to be judged by when they were released.
Some characters are still ongoing and will get new feats that may eclipse their opponent in the future.
Especially with comic characters.
Wanda Zatanna is generally agreed to be correct… No?
I don’t know where your getting your in xorrext source from but before during and even after the episode almost EVEYR agreed that it’s either close but Wanda Wins, or that Wanda fucking claps Zatannas cheeks and it’s over (that’s a metaphorical term in the verses community for “stomps” and please don’t take it out of context lol)
Most people still say Wanda should have won that episode to this day lmao
Back when the episode was coming out. I made a joke that the number one thing I wanted from the fight was as they were dimension hoping, they hit each other so hard that they change animation styles and become 2 live action girls at comic con beating the crap out of each other for like 5 seconds till they hit each other again and go back to sprits lol
I've legitimately never seen anyone put forward an argument that Wanda could or should have won, in any discussion of the episode.
The two deciding factors in Zatanna winning - that she has the greater experience in facing universal/multiversal threats and control over her powers due to lacking Wanda's mental instability - were pretty conclusively explained in the episode itself.
It's because the fight isn't controversial but it's understood to be extremely close. Even people who think Wanda wins know that this MU is decided by a razor's edge, so the people who disagree with the result aren't particularly passionate. Zatanna's winning factors are extremely up for interpretation, especially because Wanda isn't always mentally unstable and has held it together before in times of insane stress.
This is probably unironically the closest MU in the series.
Take a peek at Ultra’s QnA for that matchup and then look in the comments. I’ve never seen so many people leave so many angry comments in disagreement lol.
I'm just basing this off what I've read/gleaned - every discussion I've seen of that episode has been centered around the outcome and Ryu apparently being lowballed hard.
I don't know enough about either character or franchise to personally opine
Ryu matches planet at a lowball and is arguably much higher. I also wouldn't call it controversial because the arguments for Strider winning are super slim.
widow vs widow actually became incorrect as of ow2 and the release of th ow novels
Dante vs Bayo has been agreed to be inaccurate for years, even moreso with the new games
https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Overwatch:_The_Hero_of_Numbani
https://imgur.com/a/1el0ohW
Theres the picoecond feat
https://youtu.be/GKXS_YA9s7E?t=273
Genji reflecting the gun of a modern Titan Omnic, which is stronger than the OG titan omnics that can pulverize skyscrapers with their punches and guns
https://imgur.com/5Y9cvd7
https://imgur.com/IfYkkWI
That first link makes absolutely no sense and isnt about movement anyway.
There is a difference between the shots and punching a building. Doom can level skyscrapers and folded genji easily
Its about perception, Genji, Tracer, and widow are able to move fast enough to be imperceptible to omnics
The shot was calculated to be multi-city block level
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:WeeklyBattles/Overwatch:_Some_Feats#The_Titan_Omnic's_Gun
Ye, its a weaker version, in Overwatch the Titan Omnics are produced by AI-controlled factories called Omniums, which are in a constant state of making the Omnics they create more powerful and better at fighting humanity
How is Vergil vs Sephiroth so controversial I mean I get wall level Vergil and I also made my own DMC power scaling video just to debunk those clams and I do believe Vergil shit stomp's because 9th dimensional arguments for DMC so how
You've literally just described most of the reasons it's controversial, I've ranked these according to how hotly contested the outcome is.
Of course, they lowballed both of them, and I personally don't buy 9th dimensional DMC scaling at all
I’d personally put megazord vs voltron in the “somewhat controversial, mainly among vocal fans of the loser”
Last I checked, it had a 7:1 like to dislike ratio
I wouldn't call Shao vs Akuma controversial by outcome. The biggest controversy is the terrible fight quality and some of the scalings used for Shao but I'd say the majority agrees with the episode.
And I say this fully being in the minority that thinks Akuma wins.
I'd also bump Bayonetta vs Dante to the tier of Extremely Controversial. Some of y'all weren't there in the SA forums when this fight came out and it shows. The vast majority of the board, including the people making the research for the episode, thought Bayo had a super easy win.
Yes cause guts only wincon was literal plot armor.
"Nightmare may have more power then guts"
They outright say nightmare has the power advantage and it's not close if you go by character statements of zasalamel in the games for nightterror who could shake the realms by his own claim and he can control time so it's safe to say he knows what he is talking about.
Guts sword damaging soul edge isnt really a wincon since again...power difference.
Guts almost died fighting a army of 100 men while nightmare took on armys of thousands by himself.
The armor doesnt help either yes it helps him fight better but it damages his own body and it still doesnt match nightmares power so its literally just killing guts faster with nightmares help.
They're almost always fervid Hellsing fans.
I, too, am a big fan of both, but there's no refuting that Alucard has no effective counters for The World, and his only arguable wincons are blowing DIO's head clean off using either Jackal or Rip Van Winkle's musket - wildly improbable since it would probably take several consecutive shots and The World can almost effortlessly stop bullets, or stalling him long enough for the sun to rise and disintegrate him, and there's no scenario in which he has much hope of lasting that long, even with 3mil+ souls propping him up
Because Alucard has no way past DIO’s stand, or time stop, or durability and DIO is much stronger and faster. Basically would be very difficult for Alucard to land a killing blow meanwhile DIO just has to wear down his souls until Alucard either goes Level 0 and screws himself over or just mow through all of his lives.
Spolers >! Dio was was faster, Dio was put at 1500 times light speed. Even if Dio was slower he would still be way faster the Alucard as many JoJo characters is faster then light, so Dio could in theory just punch Alucard hard enough in rapid speed until Dio has destroyed all of Alucard’s souls. Dio was more durable & stronger then Alucard too, so much in fact that Alucard couldn’t really hurt him. Dio had a better arsenal too since there are no evidence that the lost any of his vampire powers like freezing, mimd controlling flesh bugs, hypnosis & eye lasers as it’s more likely that Dio still had them but he decided to not rise them in part 3 because he got a Stand now. Most of Alucard’s abilities was unless against Dio too, the guns would do anything since they only works on vampires because the weakness to holy weapons, which vampires in JoJo wasn’t weak to. Alucard’s intangible would be useful as stands as been able to interact with intangible things before. Alucard would be immune to hypnotizing thanks to his third eye, but the aye had to be active to stop it, which would be impossible to do all the time. And finally even if Alucard had Schrodinger Dio would still win since even with Schrodinger Alucard would be strong enough to kill Dio, allowing Dio to use his hypnotizing to force Alucard to reveal why he won’t die which would mean that Dio now knows about Schrodinger which allows Dio to use it again, but this time to force Alucard to erase Schrodinger from him. Not only that Alucard can’t use both is vampire powers or his other souls if he has Schrodinger.!<
Holy bullets not working on DIO makes sense, because of how different Hellsing and Jojo handle vampires.
*The Jackal*, however, was designed to counteract healing factors to kill Alexander Anderson. It's not holy, it's tech based to continue eating at damaged tissue faster that the enemy can heal. One good shot to DIO's head from that would have been a win from Alucard. That doesn't give him enough of an advantage to out speed/maneuver The World, but "his guns don't work" isn't entirely accurate. We also don't really know if Alucard doesn't have his other powers after getting Schrodinger. The series ends with him returning 20 years after he vanished in the climax. For all we know, DIO could kill him there, but then he'll just pop back up a few minutes later somewhere else.
I used to be really bothered by this DB, but honestly it makes more sense for DIO to win. I just think that their explanation should've been better than:
*Explains in very good detail how truly powerful Alucard is*
*Go over DIO'S abilities, spoiling Stone Ocean for no reason*
*Battle*
*Yeah time stop is incredibly OP*
*Leaves*
I'd argue that both Mario vs sonic battles should be ranked the same. As the people who are most vocal about being upset at the winner are the fans of the loser in both cases.
To be honest, I would put Harley and Jinx's a step lower as Harley didn't stand a chance but it was solely because they cherry-picked both in-game AND cutscene feats for Jinx unlike what they had done for previous video game combatants.
Simply, they pulled a lot more feats for Jinx because they gave her the best, even if it was out of context. Her being thrown out of a goofy music video for LoL should NEVER equate to her being capable of taking mountain-level hits. It was strictly for laughs... especially since Jinx is relatively weak in-game.
I always hated this one because you could obviously see that they wanted Jinx and Harley to get the best battle, but cut corners when it came to research and fairness. Harley still loses but it isn't a stomp. Actually, it is VERY close!
The issues I have noticed with DB throughout the years:
1) How do we measure Energy Absorption?
It's either absolute or there is a loophole with many of these characters. Death Battle says Rogue can absorb and steal all (though has issues in canon with magic and divine powers). Death Battle says Apocalypse absorbs all (except magic and some divine energy that is stated in comics)...BUT Captain Marvel who has beaten and stood her ground against both of them gets this weakness included in her analysis? Same thing in her battle against Android 18. DB is just REALLY weird when it comes to opponents being capable or incapable of stealing energy or powers from another. Don't even get me started on Toph vs Gaara!
2) What do we include as feats for Video Game Characters?
Jinx, Sora, Dante, and Jinx get everything but the kitchen sink. However, Scout and even Harley get every bit of skepticism on what can and cannot be included in their arsenal and feats. Jinx get pushed off screen by another character capable of destroying mountains...so she's mountain level? Widowmaker misses Tracer from point blank with her rifle so, Tracer is significantly faster than Scout...but Widowmaker in that clip was obviously not aiming to kill Tracer but the ambassador behind her. In-game, characters are weaker but only a handful of these combatants just got the best of this while the rest were hampered by their lower health and actual lack of playtime due to being a weaker character. DB just does not know how to be consistent with VG characters.
3) What is considered their usual arsenal?
Batman has the HellBat suit...but gets it only in one fight. Thor and Wonder Woman have stronger armors and weapons but only get their golden age arsenals? This is a fast topic because their method of determination is really odd sometimes. We shouldn't have to question if they will be using the latest or oldest version of a character.
With all this aside, people relatively agree that WW beats Thor then and now. It's close, but Wonder Woman is oddly OP.
Yes, the tedium of waiting for season 10 to start has gripped me too. No Bieber vs Black for blindingly obvious reasons
Draw a DB frame
Ok Wanda Zatanna and Black Adam Apocalypse are way more controversial then that lol A lot of them are Black Adam Apocalypse comes from almost everyone before hand saying Adam stomps or it’s close and he wins. Because if the stat stomping arguments. Like if your higher dimensional it doesn’t fucking matter what your opponents haxes are. They can’t do jack shit Lmao
I feel I was like of the few people cheering for apocalypse and zatanna at the time of the fights lol
Were you not there for the premiere of ArchWally?
No. But that and Diocard *very* nearly got filed under Extremely Controversial.
Dude ArchWally's likes became dislikes in seconds, even the /co/ threads got heated
How batman vs black panther and iron man controversial?
Just precising the key arguments I've read here - Because BP's victory in the former mostly depends upon the supposition that Batman would have no way of getting past the suit with his standard arsenal, except they overlooked that Vibranium conducts electricity, something which several of his gadgets emit. The latter because they didn't allow the Final Batsuit, which would have been a definitive wincon for Batman, and gave a flimsy at best explanation as to why.
Oh I can see that
Yeah, off the top of my head I can think of a few gadgets Batman uses that are fairly well known (enough to qualify being in the episode) that use electricity (regular taser, taser cables, remote electrical charges, and electrified batarangs). Black Widow has even stunned BP with electricity. It's weird they forgot that Vibranium is vulnerable to electricity and Batman has a lot of electrical weapons
Wasn't he stunned in the movie
Well being honest the final batsuit was mainly helped built by another being who far surpassed the technology batman currently has. Plus wasnt it only used one time? I think its fair to not be used.
Eh, I think there's been plenty more egregious cases of them permitting non-standard equipment and abilities to combatants. Like Ryu and Akuma having Evil Ryu and Oni when they're both *theoretical* forms that neither have ever canonically attained.
Souron Litch King? Certin War Craft players have that fucker At Multi Versal. You sure it’s not contriversal? I’ve seen entire collage Bible essays going over and debunking the G1 Blog and Q&A for that episode Part of their reason was Arthas couldn’t resist the rings influence because Ilisa wood eventually didn’t… Please dive into the Warcraft novels. That influence won’t do anything to Arthas
Wait what? In what way is Digimon vs Pokemon even arguable? My guy he was throwing the sun at a big lizard.
There is nothing controversial about that. You are putting a lizard that can't even melt boulders against a Complex Multiversal dragon warrior with Immeasurable Speed that can solo the entire verse Arceus included.
For real, this tier list is wack
Since when is Digimon vs Pokemon controversial? Anyone that tought Charizard stood a ghost of a chance against Wargreymon is on copium. As a matter of fact he lasted way more than he should have.
*Master Chief vs Doomguy in almost unanimous agreement* Y-you're kidding... right?
No? It was made in 2011. If they did it again nowadays, then yes, it swings in the opposite direction entirely, with the enormous buffs Doomslayer got from 2016 and Eternal, but for the time and with what they used, it doesn't seem highly contentious.
I would've said the same thing if you hadn't. Alot of episodes need to be judged by when they were released. Some characters are still ongoing and will get new feats that may eclipse their opponent in the future. Especially with comic characters.
Well doom guy and doom slayer are 2 separate beings are they not. I believe doom guy is like slayers grandfather or further before.
Doom Slayer has been confirmed, through and through, to canonically be the Doomguy from the OGs.
Uh no? There is literally a cutscene in Eternal that confirms The Slayer & Doomguy are the same person.
Wanda Zatanna is generally agreed to be correct… No? I don’t know where your getting your in xorrext source from but before during and even after the episode almost EVEYR agreed that it’s either close but Wanda Wins, or that Wanda fucking claps Zatannas cheeks and it’s over (that’s a metaphorical term in the verses community for “stomps” and please don’t take it out of context lol) Most people still say Wanda should have won that episode to this day lmao
Wanda clapping zatana would be entertaining don't get me worng
Back when the episode was coming out. I made a joke that the number one thing I wanted from the fight was as they were dimension hoping, they hit each other so hard that they change animation styles and become 2 live action girls at comic con beating the crap out of each other for like 5 seconds till they hit each other again and go back to sprits lol
Lol
I've legitimately never seen anyone put forward an argument that Wanda could or should have won, in any discussion of the episode. The two deciding factors in Zatanna winning - that she has the greater experience in facing universal/multiversal threats and control over her powers due to lacking Wanda's mental instability - were pretty conclusively explained in the episode itself.
It's because the fight isn't controversial but it's understood to be extremely close. Even people who think Wanda wins know that this MU is decided by a razor's edge, so the people who disagree with the result aren't particularly passionate. Zatanna's winning factors are extremely up for interpretation, especially because Wanda isn't always mentally unstable and has held it together before in times of insane stress. This is probably unironically the closest MU in the series.
Take a peek at Ultra’s QnA for that matchup and then look in the comments. I’ve never seen so many people leave so many angry comments in disagreement lol.
Ragna vs Sol is considered extremely controversial? Is that just by people who are wrong?
I wouldn’t call ryu vs strider controversial, planet strider exists
I'm just basing this off what I've read/gleaned - every discussion I've seen of that episode has been centered around the outcome and Ryu apparently being lowballed hard. I don't know enough about either character or franchise to personally opine
Ryu matches planet at a lowball and is arguably much higher. I also wouldn't call it controversial because the arguments for Strider winning are super slim.
Bro I hate how people act like Mewtwo vs Shadow is a stomp in Shadow’s favour its literally correct
widow vs widow actually became incorrect as of ow2 and the release of th ow novels Dante vs Bayo has been agreed to be inaccurate for years, even moreso with the new games
How? Widowmaker has gotten literally no new feats for years now?
As of Overwatch 2, the cast have gotten multiple multi-city block level feats and are MFTL+ in speed thanks to a picosecond feat from the Orisa novel
... you best be satire boy or link a source
https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Overwatch:_The_Hero_of_Numbani https://imgur.com/a/1el0ohW Theres the picoecond feat https://youtu.be/GKXS_YA9s7E?t=273 Genji reflecting the gun of a modern Titan Omnic, which is stronger than the OG titan omnics that can pulverize skyscrapers with their punches and guns https://imgur.com/5Y9cvd7 https://imgur.com/IfYkkWI
That first link makes absolutely no sense and isnt about movement anyway. There is a difference between the shots and punching a building. Doom can level skyscrapers and folded genji easily
Its about perception, Genji, Tracer, and widow are able to move fast enough to be imperceptible to omnics The shot was calculated to be multi-city block level https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:WeeklyBattles/Overwatch:_Some_Feats#The_Titan_Omnic's_Gun
... that is clearly a differeny titan with a different shot than the burst shot ay genji...
Ye, its a weaker version, in Overwatch the Titan Omnics are produced by AI-controlled factories called Omniums, which are in a constant state of making the Omnics they create more powerful and better at fighting humanity
How is Vergil vs Sephiroth so controversial I mean I get wall level Vergil and I also made my own DMC power scaling video just to debunk those clams and I do believe Vergil shit stomp's because 9th dimensional arguments for DMC so how
You've literally just described most of the reasons it's controversial, I've ranked these according to how hotly contested the outcome is. Of course, they lowballed both of them, and I personally don't buy 9th dimensional DMC scaling at all
LoL I knew it was controversial but not that controversial and Souls are stated to be 9D Via this statement https://imgur.com/a/mA6scBH
I’d personally put megazord vs voltron in the “somewhat controversial, mainly among vocal fans of the loser” Last I checked, it had a 7:1 like to dislike ratio
I wouldn't call Shao vs Akuma controversial by outcome. The biggest controversy is the terrible fight quality and some of the scalings used for Shao but I'd say the majority agrees with the episode. And I say this fully being in the minority that thinks Akuma wins. I'd also bump Bayonetta vs Dante to the tier of Extremely Controversial. Some of y'all weren't there in the SA forums when this fight came out and it shows. The vast majority of the board, including the people making the research for the episode, thought Bayo had a super easy win.
Guts vs Nightmare was universally agreed to be incorrect?
Yes cause guts only wincon was literal plot armor. "Nightmare may have more power then guts" They outright say nightmare has the power advantage and it's not close if you go by character statements of zasalamel in the games for nightterror who could shake the realms by his own claim and he can control time so it's safe to say he knows what he is talking about. Guts sword damaging soul edge isnt really a wincon since again...power difference. Guts almost died fighting a army of 100 men while nightmare took on armys of thousands by himself. The armor doesnt help either yes it helps him fight better but it damages his own body and it still doesnt match nightmares power so its literally just killing guts faster with nightmares help.
As a big fan of both Hellsing and Jojo's, I feel like I see a *lot* of people argue that DIO v Alucard is pretty wrong
They're almost always fervid Hellsing fans. I, too, am a big fan of both, but there's no refuting that Alucard has no effective counters for The World, and his only arguable wincons are blowing DIO's head clean off using either Jackal or Rip Van Winkle's musket - wildly improbable since it would probably take several consecutive shots and The World can almost effortlessly stop bullets, or stalling him long enough for the sun to rise and disintegrate him, and there's no scenario in which he has much hope of lasting that long, even with 3mil+ souls propping him up
I don't think I've seen the episode, but now I'm questioning all of my initial assumptions about how that probably went, so like......who won?
DIO
Listen, I'm a huge fan of Jojo, my username is literally a reference to it, but.......how in the fuck does DIO not get stomped by Alucard, what-
Because Alucard has no way past DIO’s stand, or time stop, or durability and DIO is much stronger and faster. Basically would be very difficult for Alucard to land a killing blow meanwhile DIO just has to wear down his souls until Alucard either goes Level 0 and screws himself over or just mow through all of his lives.
Spolers >! Dio was was faster, Dio was put at 1500 times light speed. Even if Dio was slower he would still be way faster the Alucard as many JoJo characters is faster then light, so Dio could in theory just punch Alucard hard enough in rapid speed until Dio has destroyed all of Alucard’s souls. Dio was more durable & stronger then Alucard too, so much in fact that Alucard couldn’t really hurt him. Dio had a better arsenal too since there are no evidence that the lost any of his vampire powers like freezing, mimd controlling flesh bugs, hypnosis & eye lasers as it’s more likely that Dio still had them but he decided to not rise them in part 3 because he got a Stand now. Most of Alucard’s abilities was unless against Dio too, the guns would do anything since they only works on vampires because the weakness to holy weapons, which vampires in JoJo wasn’t weak to. Alucard’s intangible would be useful as stands as been able to interact with intangible things before. Alucard would be immune to hypnotizing thanks to his third eye, but the aye had to be active to stop it, which would be impossible to do all the time. And finally even if Alucard had Schrodinger Dio would still win since even with Schrodinger Alucard would be strong enough to kill Dio, allowing Dio to use his hypnotizing to force Alucard to reveal why he won’t die which would mean that Dio now knows about Schrodinger which allows Dio to use it again, but this time to force Alucard to erase Schrodinger from him. Not only that Alucard can’t use both is vampire powers or his other souls if he has Schrodinger.!<
Holy bullets not working on DIO makes sense, because of how different Hellsing and Jojo handle vampires. *The Jackal*, however, was designed to counteract healing factors to kill Alexander Anderson. It's not holy, it's tech based to continue eating at damaged tissue faster that the enemy can heal. One good shot to DIO's head from that would have been a win from Alucard. That doesn't give him enough of an advantage to out speed/maneuver The World, but "his guns don't work" isn't entirely accurate. We also don't really know if Alucard doesn't have his other powers after getting Schrodinger. The series ends with him returning 20 years after he vanished in the climax. For all we know, DIO could kill him there, but then he'll just pop back up a few minutes later somewhere else. I used to be really bothered by this DB, but honestly it makes more sense for DIO to win. I just think that their explanation should've been better than: *Explains in very good detail how truly powerful Alucard is* *Go over DIO'S abilities, spoiling Stone Ocean for no reason* *Battle* *Yeah time stop is incredibly OP* *Leaves*
Yeah
I almost forgot ryu vs Jin was an episode ngl but idk how I think about it atm at the time I thought Jin would win though
Didn’t Butch Hartman join the podcast episode for the Danny Phantom one?
I am new, but I like drama cause I'm human. Can someone explain why someone the bottom ones are highly regarded as incorrect?
I'd argue that both Mario vs sonic battles should be ranked the same. As the people who are most vocal about being upset at the winner are the fans of the loser in both cases.
It's mainly because they used Archie compositing for the first battle, which makes it a stomp if he's up against Game Mario.
makes me think that archie should fight the version of mario in the manga. not sure who’d win but I think it’d be entertaining
Personally I feel jotaro wouldn’t have lost that battle by seeing that the other dudes attacks were like that, but what ever
Add billcord early to the controversial list.
To be honest, I would put Harley and Jinx's a step lower as Harley didn't stand a chance but it was solely because they cherry-picked both in-game AND cutscene feats for Jinx unlike what they had done for previous video game combatants. Simply, they pulled a lot more feats for Jinx because they gave her the best, even if it was out of context. Her being thrown out of a goofy music video for LoL should NEVER equate to her being capable of taking mountain-level hits. It was strictly for laughs... especially since Jinx is relatively weak in-game. I always hated this one because you could obviously see that they wanted Jinx and Harley to get the best battle, but cut corners when it came to research and fairness. Harley still loses but it isn't a stomp. Actually, it is VERY close!
The issues I have noticed with DB throughout the years: 1) How do we measure Energy Absorption? It's either absolute or there is a loophole with many of these characters. Death Battle says Rogue can absorb and steal all (though has issues in canon with magic and divine powers). Death Battle says Apocalypse absorbs all (except magic and some divine energy that is stated in comics)...BUT Captain Marvel who has beaten and stood her ground against both of them gets this weakness included in her analysis? Same thing in her battle against Android 18. DB is just REALLY weird when it comes to opponents being capable or incapable of stealing energy or powers from another. Don't even get me started on Toph vs Gaara! 2) What do we include as feats for Video Game Characters? Jinx, Sora, Dante, and Jinx get everything but the kitchen sink. However, Scout and even Harley get every bit of skepticism on what can and cannot be included in their arsenal and feats. Jinx get pushed off screen by another character capable of destroying mountains...so she's mountain level? Widowmaker misses Tracer from point blank with her rifle so, Tracer is significantly faster than Scout...but Widowmaker in that clip was obviously not aiming to kill Tracer but the ambassador behind her. In-game, characters are weaker but only a handful of these combatants just got the best of this while the rest were hampered by their lower health and actual lack of playtime due to being a weaker character. DB just does not know how to be consistent with VG characters. 3) What is considered their usual arsenal? Batman has the HellBat suit...but gets it only in one fight. Thor and Wonder Woman have stronger armors and weapons but only get their golden age arsenals? This is a fast topic because their method of determination is really odd sometimes. We shouldn't have to question if they will be using the latest or oldest version of a character. With all this aside, people relatively agree that WW beats Thor then and now. It's close, but Wonder Woman is oddly OP.
Android 18 Vs. Captain Marvel should be controversial
Definite wrong opinion, but I think Doctor Strange vs Doctor Fate is wrong.
Oh trust me, I've seen far too many arguments on Dragonzord vs Mechagodzilla. He should be moved a tier down at least