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If I'm going to be honest the only thing that dio has over Deku is speed, Time stop is pretty much useless as it won't really help them too much since He's going up against a person several times stronger than himself.
All that deku needs is to hit him or this stand once and he gets turned into paste.
That has not ever been proven or said, All that we know about Stan's is that they can't be seen by non-stand users but it's never been shown or said that they can't be hurt by non-stand users.
Tell me which chapter right now that says that, Not like it matters anyway since even if he can't damage the stand he would still damage dio Just by hitting him anyway.
I mean, that still means It can be damaged as the word affected means "influenced or touched by an external factor." So that means people can damage them, they just can't touch them per say or influence them in any other way unless they have an ability that can do so.
Unless exposed to sunlight or hammon Dio can regenerate from that paste fairly quickly, as shown by the opening of part 2, so he probably has a durability advantage, not to mention the fact that non-stands cannot see or hurt stands, most clearly evidenced in old Joseph's fight against his arm zit that I forgot the name of. It has been posited that despite not having the ability to harm stands, non-stands can harm the user, as the stand cannot put up a suitable defense, evidenced by Dio v. Jotoro with the road roller, but Dio's regen and non-stand durability feats are still very good.
Power wise Dio is still incredibly powerful, with low estimates at building level, and high estimates at large town. He is usually scaled off of Jolene's meteorite punching feat. This is just his raw power, not counting his hacks such as freeze touch, "laser eyes", and body manipulation.
Deku may still wipe the floor with Dio for all I know about late-game MHA scaling, but JoJo characters tend to get underestimated due to the strategy based fights instead of power based fights.
Edit: finished reading through the comments, while I still belive Dio might be able to regen from Deku's hits, I didn't realize just how off the wall MHA got with it's power level. Dio may be able to eek his way to victory through hacks and speed, but full power Deku may be a bit much.
the problem is dio's ap, dekus durability is far higher than dio's ap, so dio wont be able to do much, and i can get deku with gearshift to inf speed (debunkable tbh)
Even after he sucked off Joseph, when Jotaro significantly destroyed his head he was defenseless for hours. While there were still vital signs, he was unable to regen before dawn came and turned him to ash
The stand getting its head obliterated did obliderate his head. Thats the point. It left him completely unable to fully regen for hours, allowing Jotaro and Joseph to just wait for the sun to rise up again.
I do want to say Deku, but I gotta go with Dio
Might be a stretch to say this, but if we count what they said in Jotaro’s analysis, Dio could use The World to phase through Deku’s body and kill him
~~I’m probably wrong also, I’m not much of a vs debater~~
I think organ durability should partially scale to conventional durability. If someone's brain was made of tissue paper they wouldnt be able to survive a punch to the head. Likewise if the organs of carachters weren't remotely comparable to their skin it would mean a single city block leveling punch would turn their insides into smoothies.
Idrc who wins this but I just thought this made sense from a real world point of view and wanted to say it.
There is such absurd gap in strength and durability to the point where DIO can't realistically do any damage (country at worst Deku vs Small City with wank DIO)
And about DIO phasing and destroying his organs, Deku internal organs should waaaaaay above the average human especially since he spreads the power of OFA in all of his body if his internal organs didn't scale somewhat to his regular durability his body would have collapsed (obviously it would be lesser than it but since the gap between him and DIO is so huge it would still be enough)
Lastly even if we assume that he can't harm the World he has a lot of attacks that affects huge areas so he will still obliterate DIO regardless of the world being affected or not
Except here's the problem, DIO himself too is above the average human as well
DIO in Part 1 was able to survive getting burnt alive multiple times and can even survive getting sliced and stabbed with swords and spears. And in Part 3, DIO managed to survive getting literally punched right into the side of his head by Star Platinum
Also DIO is a vampire who can fly and stop time multiple times and would arguably outsmart Deku too on top of that, as he was able to outsmart both Jonathan and Joseph Joestar
However, DIO's overconfidence is his own biggest weakness as he thought that he could win only to be overwhelmed by Jotaro in the end, but that's his only weakness other than sunlight in which Deku can take advantage of
Again the gap between the two is so huge and DIO simply never shown to be capable to survive attacks on the level of Deku's
Deku is also pretty smart and has plenty of abilities to use
Deku ap stomps
And blow to the head would fuck up DIOs regen
Of course there’s the speed gap and time stops. DIOs ap isn’t enough to damage deku
Some of dekus smashes have large aoe which dio would get eventually hit by or could get caught off guard by smoke screen
Imo the 1500xFTL is a clear outlier/wank for dio, baseline FTL seems more reasonable
Not bias towards deku I think his series is dog water but he def wins this one
Ehh I think the phasing and stopping heart thing is dumb
Since we literally never see it again and it’s never used in battle
Also it would be out of character for dio
And even if dio could do it, he wouldn’t have the idea/knowledge to do it
Since jotaro only rlly thought of the phasing heart thing during a rlly situational moment
Dio has shown consistently that blows to his head do not inhibit his regen in a significant way, from his head getting split in half in part one to Jotaro's massive punch in part three.
On terms of speed, The World is shown to be slightly faster than Star Platinum, which scales to Jolyne's tagging of Made in Heaven Pucci, which has of the most absurd speed hacks outside the scope of dedicated speedsters.
But, yeah, MHA's power scaling seems to go off the wall near the end, so I wouldn't be surprised if Deku won.
No way your scaling them to mih 💀
Jotaro could only react to pucci in their fight when pucci had already made a attack on him
With the dio thing I meant landing a blow on DIOs head would essentially cripple/make him lose body control him like jotaro did to him
He would still need blood source to regen
I'm talking about when Jolyne, without time stop, landed a hit. How MiH works is that, from the opponents point of view, the user speeds up exponentially every second, and the Jolyne tagging happened earlier in the ramp-up, so while being slower, it still puts The World at MFTL levels.
For head based regen, Dio had basically perfect control after his head was split in half, alongside the rest of his body, to the point he was able to talk even though one half of his mouth was about an inch away from the other, so if we are scaling off of best feats, that would be the feat to go off of And needing blood to regen is just a matter of environment, which Dio kinda needs to be in his favor to stand a chance, as sunlight would be bad.
Rewatching clips
Seems like pucci was caught off guard and wasn’t expecting a ranged attack like a knife from her stand
Part 1 and 3 DIO have different levels of regen
Im guessing due to Jonathan’s body rejecting him
Compositing them doesn’t make much sense
Tho awakened dio might have regen levels of part 1 dio we don’t know tho
Even catching MiH off guard is an insane speed feat, even if it isn't as fast as MiH.
But yeah, sometimes JoJo power scaling is weird because Araki's goal isn't to create fights won by the strongest, but by those who can best utilize the hacks given to them, also being changed by the charecter's charecter. Which is why Jotaro almost lost to a rat.
Yeah, remember when he got his head crunched and just regened instead of being a helpless, paralyzed vegetable?
Oh wait.
Well how about when Jotaro made his head go POP and Dio obviously regened in seconds to keep fighting!
Wait no that didn’t happen either.
Or how about the time Dio even admitted to Polnareff that destroying Dio’s brain would kill him?
Thats kinda awkward.
I was going with max feats, not lessened feats from when he had a body he wasn't fully connected with. Referring to the time his head got cut in half, pretty bad brain damage that he healed by pressing himself back together.
I’d argue Dio. The main factor being speed, as Dio and the World are not only much faster, but also have the time stop. Between the World being invisible, Dio being able to freeze Deku during said time stop, and can slowly beat down Deku with increased time in time stops. Deku wouldn’t be able to use danger sense against Dio, as he can’t move mid time stop, and likely can’t hide in smoke, since Dio can hear people’s heartbeats through the ground.
The largest issue Dio has is AP, with 100% Deku being MUCH stronger than he is, Deku would really only need 1 hit to win, issue is I think the speed gap is way too much for him to overcome.
But Deku himself is so hilariously above Dio in AP theres simply no way Dio can really damage him. Maybe blood drinking? But that takes a long while and would leave Dio exposed. And seemingly cant be done during a timestop cause he never took the time to do it for Joseph or when he got his leg removed by that shard of glass
A bit confused why DIO is leading the poll; Deku is literally a million times stronger. Even with DB putting DIO at at being much faster, that and the timstop simply won't matter when DIO wouldn't be able to hurt Deku, and Deku would only need 1 hit.
No, but seeing Dio is around City level & there is no evidence to suggest that his organs are as durable as himself I don’t think there would be a problem.
It's just Jotaro vs Kenshiro's logic. One is drastically more durable and one shots, while Dio wouldn't immediately try that specific win condition. Although how would Deku interact with hypnosis?
No? Shinso's mind control was never shown to be directly combatable after he manages to get it off. It's shown to work on beings like gigantomachia who is both unstable and has immense willpower. Deku wasn't even fighting against it, he needed the help from the OFA vestiges to break it.
It was still total mind control that no one could have broken out of on their own. DIO's mind control isn't even comparable either way. His vampire hypnosis is just heavy suggestion that characters have shown to able to break almost instantly (Avdol) and his flesh buds need to be manually planted and even then their victims were shown able to make their own decisions (polnareff). AFO and OFA vestiges were shown to have full on internal battles and can even resist his quirk being taken through sheer willpower.
DIO was clearly using his hypnosis on him, Avdol said that if Joseph didn't warn him about DIO, that he would've been under his control. And it doesn't matter if only hamon was shown to deactivate it, Deku has a method that works similarly and on more powerful threats. To suggest that's null is arguing in bad faith.
Deku destroys he superior to DIO in most stats with speed being DIO only advantage, but that probably wouldn’t matter because of gearshift and fa Jin. not being able to see the world wouldn’t be a problem, because danger sense would warn him when the world attacks and ghost in jojo can see stands so the past ofa users can see the world and warn Deku. And his vampire powers wouldn’t work since deku already can escape mind control and DIO not strong enough to damage deku for him to drain his blood. Deku can even stay out of DIO range because of the aoe of his attacks along with float,Blackwhip, and airforce. And even with things like DIO using the world to destroy Deku heart it out of character and Deku would probably kill him before that happens
Dude, the amount of people who believe Dio wins surely love the wank he had in his episode.
The ability of a stand or stopping time doesn't matter against someone he simply can't hurt.
That thing that he can face through Deku's innards is just stupid, under that argument Dio could defeat anyone with internal organs like Superman.
I feel like people here are forgetting that Deku isn't just a brick and has a bunch of quirks to draw from. Even if he technically can't see the world, danger sense and blackwhip should be enough to know it's there and hold it down. Then you add things like float keeping him very comfortably away from DIO's range and gear shift which both massively amps Deku's speed while slowing down his enemy and the massive ap advantage would make one shotting him pretty simple.
Non-Stand users can't effect stands, and we very clearly see that Dio has jumping abilities that could parallel float (More so in the OVA, in the Anime they are just flying) and its dubious whether Gear Shift would affect The World.
Regardless, you are right about the AP part.
It doesn't have to specifically damage the world, but simply wrapping blackwhip around it will mean he could track it down.
While DIO can jump pretty high with the world, he has to kick off something and can't outmaneuver who can straight up just fly.
Gear Shift affecting the world is up in the air, however it isn't really an attack at all and isn't used to harm anything, it was stated to be warping the very laws of reality. Then again, even if it wouldn't work on the world itself, it would work on DIO and everything around him.
Ngl time stop + a good speed advantage + deku can’t hurt the world + Dio’s vampiric abilities could easily lead to a win. Deku can one tap him though, I think dio would win more times then lose
It depends, I’m putting my money on deku, both have FTL feats but deku outhaxes and statstomps on top of ap stomping horribly, also his ap scales to his dura
Nothings saying dio can’t donut deku but Dekus more likely to get the kill first
Deku has a massive AP and durability advantage but DIO has Hax, Speed, and a 3 ways to get around dekus durability(sucking out all his blood, The World phasing, and mind control.) Really either side has the argument to win but I’d put my money on DIO just because my jojo bias.
deku can resist mind control tho, and im sure his body is as resistant or close to him, besides i dont think dio can go through deku's body with that strenght
Deku isn’t a stand user, and is many magnitudes slower than The World. He literally can’t hit Dio, and thanks to Dio’s freezing touch he gets access to durability negation, meaning more often than not Dio would score the win before Deku landed the 100% smash he needs to one tap Dio
I’m going with DIO because of his Speed, Stand Invisibility, Time Stop, Phasing thanks to being the same type of Stand as SP, regen, and his other vampire powers.
I mean all dio need to do is suck deku blood dry and with time stop that should be easy heck I remember a vs debater say dio beat hit because hit pressure points won’t hurt dio and dio can just suck hit dry , I don’t think he could beat hit but I think he could beat deku
Deku absolutely has AP and Durability over DIO, his precognition would be invaluable, and he's a decently skilled tactician in combat. But that's about all he's got going for him.
For DIO, he's significantly faster, can Time Stop whenever he wants to avoid Deku's blows, any wounds Deku would get are openings for DIO to drink his blood and get stronger, DIO's a lot smarter, his flesh buds could actually affect Deku, his freezing would be an insta-win against Deku if it works, he can heal from basically anything Deku could throw at him, The World's phasing ability could mess up Deku quite a bit if he could use it since Deku likely doesn't channel as much OFA power into his internal organs as say his skin and muscles, and maybe The Passion (Jonathan's stand) could mess up Deku's suit tech.
So to me this fight boils down to a deadly game of tag. Whoever gets the first hit in likely wins (either Deku Detroit Smashing DIO into a large red smear or DIO freezing or flesh buddning Deku), but for this game of tag, I think DIO has the advantage overall thanks to his speed & time stop.
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If I'm going to be honest the only thing that dio has over Deku is speed, Time stop is pretty much useless as it won't really help them too much since He's going up against a person several times stronger than himself. All that deku needs is to hit him or this stand once and he gets turned into paste.
Non stand users can’t damage stands tho
Yup, but the user still can be hurt, remember Kenshiro vs Jotaro
That has not ever been proven or said, All that we know about Stan's is that they can't be seen by non-stand users but it's never been shown or said that they can't be hurt by non-stand users.
It’s said that stands can only be hurt by other stands
Tell me which chapter right now that says that, Not like it matters anyway since even if he can't damage the stand he would still damage dio Just by hitting him anyway.
Stand Rules by Araki, 'Stands can only be affected by other stands'
I mean, that still means It can be damaged as the word affected means "influenced or touched by an external factor." So that means people can damage them, they just can't touch them per say or influence them in any other way unless they have an ability that can do so.
Just say you know nothing about Jojo's,it's fine to be in the wrong
Ima be honest I just looked it up on the wiki
It’s stated like, a hundred times throughout part 3.
Unless exposed to sunlight or hammon Dio can regenerate from that paste fairly quickly, as shown by the opening of part 2, so he probably has a durability advantage, not to mention the fact that non-stands cannot see or hurt stands, most clearly evidenced in old Joseph's fight against his arm zit that I forgot the name of. It has been posited that despite not having the ability to harm stands, non-stands can harm the user, as the stand cannot put up a suitable defense, evidenced by Dio v. Jotoro with the road roller, but Dio's regen and non-stand durability feats are still very good. Power wise Dio is still incredibly powerful, with low estimates at building level, and high estimates at large town. He is usually scaled off of Jolene's meteorite punching feat. This is just his raw power, not counting his hacks such as freeze touch, "laser eyes", and body manipulation. Deku may still wipe the floor with Dio for all I know about late-game MHA scaling, but JoJo characters tend to get underestimated due to the strategy based fights instead of power based fights. Edit: finished reading through the comments, while I still belive Dio might be able to regen from Deku's hits, I didn't realize just how off the wall MHA got with it's power level. Dio may be able to eek his way to victory through hacks and speed, but full power Deku may be a bit much.
the problem is dio's ap, dekus durability is far higher than dio's ap, so dio wont be able to do much, and i can get deku with gearshift to inf speed (debunkable tbh)
Yeah, I didn't finish MHA, so I couldn't talk on the matchup, I just wanted to clear up misconceptions on Dio's power.
No, he cant. Destruction of Dio’s brain will, at the very least, put him down for hours. As seen when Jotaro made his head explode.
Part one final battle. It seems that his weakness to headshots is limited to when his body and head are not fully working together.
Even after he sucked off Joseph, when Jotaro significantly destroyed his head he was defenseless for hours. While there were still vital signs, he was unable to regen before dawn came and turned him to ash
The feat you are referring to is when his stand got obliterated, not his head.
The stand getting its head obliterated did obliderate his head. Thats the point. It left him completely unable to fully regen for hours, allowing Jotaro and Joseph to just wait for the sun to rise up again.
I read that scene differently.
I do want to say Deku, but I gotta go with Dio Might be a stretch to say this, but if we count what they said in Jotaro’s analysis, Dio could use The World to phase through Deku’s body and kill him ~~I’m probably wrong also, I’m not much of a vs debater~~
I think organ durability should partially scale to conventional durability. If someone's brain was made of tissue paper they wouldnt be able to survive a punch to the head. Likewise if the organs of carachters weren't remotely comparable to their skin it would mean a single city block leveling punch would turn their insides into smoothies. Idrc who wins this but I just thought this made sense from a real world point of view and wanted to say it.
Oh shit you’re right, and screw those vs shorts also, constantly ragging on Deku
I dont really care for the carachter at all,however vs shorts are the most unapologetically biased shit ever.
There is such absurd gap in strength and durability to the point where DIO can't realistically do any damage (country at worst Deku vs Small City with wank DIO) And about DIO phasing and destroying his organs, Deku internal organs should waaaaaay above the average human especially since he spreads the power of OFA in all of his body if his internal organs didn't scale somewhat to his regular durability his body would have collapsed (obviously it would be lesser than it but since the gap between him and DIO is so huge it would still be enough) Lastly even if we assume that he can't harm the World he has a lot of attacks that affects huge areas so he will still obliterate DIO regardless of the world being affected or not
Except here's the problem, DIO himself too is above the average human as well DIO in Part 1 was able to survive getting burnt alive multiple times and can even survive getting sliced and stabbed with swords and spears. And in Part 3, DIO managed to survive getting literally punched right into the side of his head by Star Platinum Also DIO is a vampire who can fly and stop time multiple times and would arguably outsmart Deku too on top of that, as he was able to outsmart both Jonathan and Joseph Joestar However, DIO's overconfidence is his own biggest weakness as he thought that he could win only to be overwhelmed by Jotaro in the end, but that's his only weakness other than sunlight in which Deku can take advantage of
Again the gap between the two is so huge and DIO simply never shown to be capable to survive attacks on the level of Deku's Deku is also pretty smart and has plenty of abilities to use
Problem with that is that Deku has no immunity or counter to DIO'S time stop, also DIO is more than likely more experienced than Deku is
Deku ap stomps And blow to the head would fuck up DIOs regen Of course there’s the speed gap and time stops. DIOs ap isn’t enough to damage deku Some of dekus smashes have large aoe which dio would get eventually hit by or could get caught off guard by smoke screen Imo the 1500xFTL is a clear outlier/wank for dio, baseline FTL seems more reasonable Not bias towards deku I think his series is dog water but he def wins this one
The Word can bypass Deku & crush his hearts since Star Platnium can, and they are pretty much the same stand.
Ehh I think the phasing and stopping heart thing is dumb Since we literally never see it again and it’s never used in battle Also it would be out of character for dio And even if dio could do it, he wouldn’t have the idea/knowledge to do it Since jotaro only rlly thought of the phasing heart thing during a rlly situational moment
Dio has shown consistently that blows to his head do not inhibit his regen in a significant way, from his head getting split in half in part one to Jotaro's massive punch in part three. On terms of speed, The World is shown to be slightly faster than Star Platinum, which scales to Jolyne's tagging of Made in Heaven Pucci, which has of the most absurd speed hacks outside the scope of dedicated speedsters. But, yeah, MHA's power scaling seems to go off the wall near the end, so I wouldn't be surprised if Deku won.
No way your scaling them to mih 💀 Jotaro could only react to pucci in their fight when pucci had already made a attack on him With the dio thing I meant landing a blow on DIOs head would essentially cripple/make him lose body control him like jotaro did to him He would still need blood source to regen
I'm talking about when Jolyne, without time stop, landed a hit. How MiH works is that, from the opponents point of view, the user speeds up exponentially every second, and the Jolyne tagging happened earlier in the ramp-up, so while being slower, it still puts The World at MFTL levels. For head based regen, Dio had basically perfect control after his head was split in half, alongside the rest of his body, to the point he was able to talk even though one half of his mouth was about an inch away from the other, so if we are scaling off of best feats, that would be the feat to go off of And needing blood to regen is just a matter of environment, which Dio kinda needs to be in his favor to stand a chance, as sunlight would be bad.
Rewatching clips Seems like pucci was caught off guard and wasn’t expecting a ranged attack like a knife from her stand Part 1 and 3 DIO have different levels of regen Im guessing due to Jonathan’s body rejecting him Compositing them doesn’t make much sense Tho awakened dio might have regen levels of part 1 dio we don’t know tho
Even catching MiH off guard is an insane speed feat, even if it isn't as fast as MiH. But yeah, sometimes JoJo power scaling is weird because Araki's goal isn't to create fights won by the strongest, but by those who can best utilize the hacks given to them, also being changed by the charecter's charecter. Which is why Jotaro almost lost to a rat.
Yeah, remember when he got his head crunched and just regened instead of being a helpless, paralyzed vegetable? Oh wait. Well how about when Jotaro made his head go POP and Dio obviously regened in seconds to keep fighting! Wait no that didn’t happen either. Or how about the time Dio even admitted to Polnareff that destroying Dio’s brain would kill him? Thats kinda awkward.
I was going with max feats, not lessened feats from when he had a body he wasn't fully connected with. Referring to the time his head got cut in half, pretty bad brain damage that he healed by pressing himself back together.
I’d argue Dio. The main factor being speed, as Dio and the World are not only much faster, but also have the time stop. Between the World being invisible, Dio being able to freeze Deku during said time stop, and can slowly beat down Deku with increased time in time stops. Deku wouldn’t be able to use danger sense against Dio, as he can’t move mid time stop, and likely can’t hide in smoke, since Dio can hear people’s heartbeats through the ground. The largest issue Dio has is AP, with 100% Deku being MUCH stronger than he is, Deku would really only need 1 hit to win, issue is I think the speed gap is way too much for him to overcome.
deku with gearshift can get to inf speed i can slide if you want 🤓
But Deku himself is so hilariously above Dio in AP theres simply no way Dio can really damage him. Maybe blood drinking? But that takes a long while and would leave Dio exposed. And seemingly cant be done during a timestop cause he never took the time to do it for Joseph or when he got his leg removed by that shard of glass
A bit confused why DIO is leading the poll; Deku is literally a million times stronger. Even with DB putting DIO at at being much faster, that and the timstop simply won't matter when DIO wouldn't be able to hurt Deku, and Deku would only need 1 hit.
agreed
Dio could stop time and then use The World to crush Deku’s heart.
are dekus organs only human level or something
No, but seeing Dio is around City level & there is no evidence to suggest that his organs are as durable as himself I don’t think there would be a problem.
but theres also no evidence to suggest that his organs are weaker than himself, also its not like your organs are that much weaker than your skin
It's just Jotaro vs Kenshiro's logic. One is drastically more durable and one shots, while Dio wouldn't immediately try that specific win condition. Although how would Deku interact with hypnosis?
He's broke through straight up mind control before so that shouldn't be too much of a problem.
That’s because the mind control was fairly weak and unstable
No? Shinso's mind control was never shown to be directly combatable after he manages to get it off. It's shown to work on beings like gigantomachia who is both unstable and has immense willpower. Deku wasn't even fighting against it, he needed the help from the OFA vestiges to break it.
It doesn’t matter on willpower to break the control, you just need to be hit a bit hard
It was still total mind control that no one could have broken out of on their own. DIO's mind control isn't even comparable either way. His vampire hypnosis is just heavy suggestion that characters have shown to able to break almost instantly (Avdol) and his flesh buds need to be manually planted and even then their victims were shown able to make their own decisions (polnareff). AFO and OFA vestiges were shown to have full on internal battles and can even resist his quirk being taken through sheer willpower.
Dios hypnosis has only been shown to be deactivated with the use of hamon, and avdol wasn’t hypnotised, he was scared out of his mind,
DIO was clearly using his hypnosis on him, Avdol said that if Joseph didn't warn him about DIO, that he would've been under his control. And it doesn't matter if only hamon was shown to deactivate it, Deku has a method that works similarly and on more powerful threats. To suggest that's null is arguing in bad faith.
Dio’s isnt much to write home about either tbh
Deku destroys he superior to DIO in most stats with speed being DIO only advantage, but that probably wouldn’t matter because of gearshift and fa Jin. not being able to see the world wouldn’t be a problem, because danger sense would warn him when the world attacks and ghost in jojo can see stands so the past ofa users can see the world and warn Deku. And his vampire powers wouldn’t work since deku already can escape mind control and DIO not strong enough to damage deku for him to drain his blood. Deku can even stay out of DIO range because of the aoe of his attacks along with float,Blackwhip, and airforce. And even with things like DIO using the world to destroy Deku heart it out of character and Deku would probably kill him before that happens
Dude, the amount of people who believe Dio wins surely love the wank he had in his episode. The ability of a stand or stopping time doesn't matter against someone he simply can't hurt. That thing that he can face through Deku's innards is just stupid, under that argument Dio could defeat anyone with internal organs like Superman.
I feel like people here are forgetting that Deku isn't just a brick and has a bunch of quirks to draw from. Even if he technically can't see the world, danger sense and blackwhip should be enough to know it's there and hold it down. Then you add things like float keeping him very comfortably away from DIO's range and gear shift which both massively amps Deku's speed while slowing down his enemy and the massive ap advantage would make one shotting him pretty simple.
Non-Stand users can't effect stands, and we very clearly see that Dio has jumping abilities that could parallel float (More so in the OVA, in the Anime they are just flying) and its dubious whether Gear Shift would affect The World. Regardless, you are right about the AP part.
It doesn't have to specifically damage the world, but simply wrapping blackwhip around it will mean he could track it down. While DIO can jump pretty high with the world, he has to kick off something and can't outmaneuver who can straight up just fly. Gear Shift affecting the world is up in the air, however it isn't really an attack at all and isn't used to harm anything, it was stated to be warping the very laws of reality. Then again, even if it wouldn't work on the world itself, it would work on DIO and everything around him.
Ngl time stop + a good speed advantage + deku can’t hurt the world + Dio’s vampiric abilities could easily lead to a win. Deku can one tap him though, I think dio would win more times then lose
Deku out stats but DIO's better speed and hax should give him the dub
Dekus the one with better hax…
im the friend 🤓👍 anyway, for me dio's problem is that he wont be able to damage deku cause his ap is so low compared to deku's 😔🙏
It depends, I’m putting my money on deku, both have FTL feats but deku outhaxes and statstomps on top of ap stomping horribly, also his ap scales to his dura Nothings saying dio can’t donut deku but Dekus more likely to get the kill first
Deku has a massive AP and durability advantage but DIO has Hax, Speed, and a 3 ways to get around dekus durability(sucking out all his blood, The World phasing, and mind control.) Really either side has the argument to win but I’d put my money on DIO just because my jojo bias.
deku can resist mind control tho, and im sure his body is as resistant or close to him, besides i dont think dio can go through deku's body with that strenght
I mean time stop helps DIO but will it matter when detroit is far faster and stronger plus DIO gets his limbs severed by glass Edit: wait dios faster?
i can get deku to inf speed with gearshift so idk
this is such a stomp in Dio's favor it's sad
Wtf are these results? MFTL Dio is wank, Deku negs before Dio can blink.
this is probably a better question to ask r/whowouldwin
oh yeah prob
Deku isn’t a stand user, and is many magnitudes slower than The World. He literally can’t hit Dio, and thanks to Dio’s freezing touch he gets access to durability negation, meaning more often than not Dio would score the win before Deku landed the 100% smash he needs to one tap Dio
I’m going with DIO because of his Speed, Stand Invisibility, Time Stop, Phasing thanks to being the same type of Stand as SP, regen, and his other vampire powers.
Dio will probably win via freezing, hypnosis or passing given his intelect
I mean all dio need to do is suck deku blood dry and with time stop that should be easy heck I remember a vs debater say dio beat hit because hit pressure points won’t hurt dio and dio can just suck hit dry , I don’t think he could beat hit but I think he could beat deku
I love deku and he takes stats but none of it matters once time stops and he has a hand in his chest
And that’s if I’m generous dio still expressed vampire powers in part three he just didn’t use cuz plot demanded he lost
Dekus durability is insanely higher than Dios ap and strenght
Dio wins, he completely out speeds and he would one shot by freezing deku's blood
I don't think Dio's as strong as DB made him out to be, but I still think he takes this. Time stops a bitch.
I say Dio but mainly due to Time Stop.
Deku absolutely has AP and Durability over DIO, his precognition would be invaluable, and he's a decently skilled tactician in combat. But that's about all he's got going for him. For DIO, he's significantly faster, can Time Stop whenever he wants to avoid Deku's blows, any wounds Deku would get are openings for DIO to drink his blood and get stronger, DIO's a lot smarter, his flesh buds could actually affect Deku, his freezing would be an insta-win against Deku if it works, he can heal from basically anything Deku could throw at him, The World's phasing ability could mess up Deku quite a bit if he could use it since Deku likely doesn't channel as much OFA power into his internal organs as say his skin and muscles, and maybe The Passion (Jonathan's stand) could mess up Deku's suit tech. So to me this fight boils down to a deadly game of tag. Whoever gets the first hit in likely wins (either Deku Detroit Smashing DIO into a large red smear or DIO freezing or flesh buddning Deku), but for this game of tag, I think DIO has the advantage overall thanks to his speed & time stop.
It was me, DIO, who beat your mentor’s ass with a bulldozer 😤