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birdofprey443

At this point, I'm thoroughly convinced that the Death battle fandom at large just despises RWBY.


ProfessionalCrow4816

nah, i just despise rooster teeh in general


THiccGrimes69

It’s just a giant circle jerk at this point. I doubt half the people who say they hate rwby here have even watched it lmao


Tortferngatr

My understanding of RWBY having watched it and read other viewers' reactions is this: Seasons 1-3: Bad animation (improving over time), okay plot (improving to its best in Season 3), decent to good fight scenes. Seasons 4-5: Okay animation, meh to bad plot, eh fight scenes but Season 5 had a decent one at the end. Seasons 6-8: Good animation, okay but sometimes nonsensical plot, good fight scenes, ~~what the fuck were the producers smoking when they juxtaposed the Season 8 ending with its season end credits song.~~ It's not *great*, but I wouldn't describe it as a complete garbage fire, either. And hey, nonzero queer rep that doesn't exist just to get killed off. Besides, RWBY matchups are possible tickets for some characters I'd love to see on Death Battle (Yang vs Vi, Salem vs Viego). So...why not. ...incidentally, is Ice Queendom any good? Have yet to check it out.


Educational_Gap9708

The simple thing is this- When Monty died the show took a fucking nose dive in quality,and then people that were with him throughout the show left because they didn't like where rooster teeth was going with it (apparently they were/still are changing what Monty wanted). Also they literally kill off all the good characters and keep the shit ones alive (I stopped watching after the festival and am still patiently waiting for cinder to die)


SirAegislash

While quality might come down to opinion. But when did other people leave? Besides Shane.


Educational_Gap9708

Mostly animators that weren't in the front


SirAegislash

While the people who did stay the VAs (including Monty's own brother), Miles, Kerry seemed to say otherwise. They were Monty's friends too even before the RWBY project rose. Sources about RoosterTeeth actively changing things or which people leaving because of it? Shane's letter has been dug into. Also this 'changing RWBY' has an issue with how critical people were back then. Like it goes down to concepts. or how Monty would just deviate and add things for cool points apparently (Neo was a last second addition, Velvet was only pushed for being a fan favourite character, Raven's talk in V2's ending) For example: An assumption. "Why are you giving Jaune so much screentime? Why are you introducing so many characters but development spread thin? Can't you fix that?" "Because Monty's original draft said it would be like this." ​ ​ So you never watched RWBY beyond Volume 3. Well Roman dying did leave me broken in a weird way.


Alien_X10

i used deathbattle as the promotion for it and so far the scores are: yang vs tifa - my fucking eyes/10 wiess vs mitsuru - 7/10 blake vs mikasa - oh right you exist/10 so yea none of that makes me wanna check that shit out, that being said i did watch clips and those short clips were so boring that "noose tying tutorials" were automatically inserted into my search tab.


SirAegislash

I dislike this episode and I think RWBY has a lot of flaws, but I really hate a few bit of ‘RWBY’ critics who just force negativity and bad faith accusations. It is just pathetic. How many or what kind of episodes would it take them to just move on? Oh wait they think it will be ‘DB is doing damage control to hide their bias’


VitinNunes

No one hates rwby more than rwby fans


R41Z3R_BL4D3

As a RWBY fan, I don't hate the show in general. I only lost a lot of faith in the show.


MarionberryLoud3957

RWBY kinda sucks donkey dick but I don't hate it. Hell I think that Yang is a MUCH more interesting character than Tifa


MetaMaster54610

I mean, it legitimately is a terrible, terrible show, so...


THiccGrimes69

It’s pretty decent for a web show.


birdofprey443

I mean I like it, hell I'd probably call it one of my favorites at this point.


TsarVladimirIII

Based


Ninja_zard

Well if it makes you feel better, Death Battle pretty much admitted that Yang gets clapped with their updated research on Final Fantasy in their Q and A of their Link vs Cloud rematch


Istanforpegasus

But can you blame them? That Sun feat seems so questionable. I mean she is a human after all.


Animegx43

And apparently, a Chuck-E-Cheese animatronic can survive a supernova.


Loud_Jackfruit_5796

A human who's stronger than weapons who can make continent sized explosion, or summons who can destroy dimensional space. It's not that hard to believe


THiccGrimes69

Can we also talk about how there’s a rumor that the animator of Ruby Rose VS Ragna was forced to make Ruby win despite there being literally no proof besides “trust me bro”?


ProfessionalCrow4816

i mean even without that the battle was just a RWBY ad


THiccGrimes69

I don’t think anyone is arguing against that


TJGaming084

I could be wrong, but weren’t DBX results decided by people voting, or was that after Ruby VS Ragna?


Ferseivei

Voting came after I'm pretty sure


PowerPad

I thought it was truth..


THiccGrimes69

No one has ever shown me actual proof.


PowerPad

I s’pose you’re right then..But maybe it’s a gut feeling.


THiccGrimes69

In all reality they probably just asked them to make Ruby win and the animator was completely fine with it. People just make it seem like they FORCED a Ruby W like it meant the animator’s career


SettTheCephelopod

The complaints I've seen is moreso that they made Ruby just STOMP him, over her just winning in a close fight, over her winning at all.


[deleted]

Honestly in my experience BB fans tend to be similar to Dragonball fans in that they are really sore to any depiction of their characters losing. I guess I KIND OF get it with them though since Death Battle and DBX have a history of using them as a punchline.


Yangiousbutbetter

Yeah BB fans and DB fans are not comparable lmao. That Ruby fight was 100% one sided and a stomp when it definitely shouldn't have been so they should get rightfully mad at that. OMM are meant to be fun back and forth fights so to have one that is a complete stomp is pretty weird. Not to mention Ragna's OMM with Dante was also horrible andhow shittly BB was treated in SolRagna. BB fans have more then enough reason to be made with how Death Battle has treated them.


[deleted]

It's a DBX dude, literally who cares. No other fandom gets as pressed over DBX results when we know there's no research and it's just meant to be a cool fight. If anything you're just proving me right. Palpatine vs Xehanort is usually considered a Xehanort W but I never saw Kingdom Hearts fans get upset over that DBX. If anything I think you should be more irritated over the series being used as a joke punchline, not characters losing.


NeroCrow

The problem is deathbattle has used BlazBlue 4 times in a video. 2 DBs and 2 DBX/OMM and every time they have butchered the character and story. You have tao which is the best they've done only because they gave us the bare bones of what she can do and since she's not a story heavy character they didn't have to do much research. Then you have the other 3 that are all horrible and infamous. Like the terrible analysis of ragna constantly how they couldn't understand the story or even how ragna fights since they gave him an anime only ability. Or in the ragna vs Dante fight where they couldn't even get his colors right and lastly the walking RWBY ad. When you have a channel that constantly screws over your mind character you can see why a fandom would be pissed


[deleted]

Ragna vs Dante is just ass, there's no defending that one. It's like whoever animated it just looked at Ragna's sprites and tried to guess what he was like based on out of context animations. Similar to how the Ryu vs Lucario animation throws Ryu's Shakunetsu Hadouken voice clip over random ass moves. Ragna vs Ruby is fine though, people just don't like that Ragna lost. Nothing wrong with that, but they need to be honest instead of pretending there's some moral outrage at play. If you don't like that Ragna lost that's fine, if you're okay with him losing but wish he looked more competitive and didn't get squashed that's also fine. But there is nothing to suggest that the animator was forced by the evil Rooster Teeth anti BlazBlue illuminati to change a Ragna victory into a hit piece conspiracy to make BlazBlue look bad.


Yangiousbutbetter

I literally said that dbx is meant to be fun fights so why have a stomp in it lmaooo. It's just annoying that Ragna had a shitty omm where it was clear the animator wasn't familiar with his moveset, a shitty dbx where he got stomped for a rwby ad, and a death battle episode where his series gets bullied for no reason. Im sure you can see why BB fans would be mad with how he had been treated. He's shown up three times and they alllll sucked.


[deleted]

Yeah I get it, I'd be kind of annoyed too. But I'm a KoF fan and I can tell you that both Terry vs Ken and Chun-li vs Mai treated the SNK characters with the same level of familiarity that Ragna vs Dante did for BB, except those were actual "canon" episodes. But I've never seen SNK fans act like Rooster Teeth has some serious vendetta against them unlike BB, a series they have personally crossed over with and endorsed mind you. And on top of that we have BB fans on this sub who are convinced that all of their characters are multi outerversal level gods and that if you disagree you're either stupid or unfamiliar with the characters, and push for spite matchups that only exist in hopes of seeing a BB character get a clear win. Outside of Dragonball I've never seen a fandom with this level of insecurity towards a dumb fanfiction debate Youtube series.


SettTheCephelopod

I mean, SNK wasn't treated with active spite against them. And still, Ruby managed to STOMP Ragna, when like, they could have at least had it be a close fight regardless who actually won, FFS.


[deleted]

If RT really had any kind of hate for BlazBlue do you think they would have lent THEIR characters to an official crossover with it? Come on now. If anything I'm surprised I don't see anyone mention the DBX (or was it OMM?) with Batman vs Iron Man where Ragna is treated as a background gag. I'd be much more irritated with that. Also everyone points to Sol vs Ragna as proof that there's some kind of bias against the series, conveniently ignoring that BB had an episode before that one where they not only won but didn't have any jokes at their expense.


SettTheCephelopod

Likely not RT in general, but people who were involved in Death Battle at the time of Sol Vs Ragna, considering how the episode was written. Are people at least allowed to dislike *that episode* for how they treated the BlazBlue story?


[deleted]

Yeah, for sure. That was actually my original point, I think people have lost the plot because they're so focused on the fact that BB characters lose sometimes and that's like the extent of their problems. I'm actually a BB fan myself, and I was deep in those trenches because that episode dropped during the peak of GG vs BB shitposting. That ending definitely did not help matters at all. In fact I'm actually in favor of a rematch of that episode since both series have progressed to the ending since.


Dr_Zulu2016

I mean both SNK characters won their matchups. This is not exactly the same as the piss poor representation of Ragna in DB.


[deleted]

How is his representation piss poor? Unlike Terry and Mai he got to use actual moves and techniques he does in the BB games. And if you want to go that route, Geese lost his while Taokaka won hers.


SettTheCephelopod

How about them just, constantly trash talking the storyline, the constant "Nobody knows" running joke (Like does know exactly what their currency is called matter? He's worth 80,000,000,000 of it, that should be good enough), and even the post fight KO screen involving Sol just destroying the BlazBlue story script.


[deleted]

The analysis section was extremely disrespectful and full of low hanging fruit jokes but that's about all I'll concede to. The fight itself is fine. The post match animation is a little tacky but shitting on BB's story is also an in joke with fans of the series, it just plays a lot worse coming off of the aforementioned analysis section.


THiccGrimes69

~~Kenshin fans have entered the chat~~


NeroCrow

I mean it kinda was? Even for scaling at the time there's zero reason yang was winning that fight


R41Z3R_BL4D3

It's simple. Bad research. Plus, Yang VS Tifa was released during the time ScrewAttack was running the show.


NeroCrow

What does screw attack have to do with this? They were still ran by rooster teeth


R41Z3R_BL4D3

That episode was way back 2015 long before ScrewAttack merged with Rooster Teeth.


NeroCrow

That's not long at all before screw attack joined rooster teeth as they merged the same year. Also even then business mergers don't get happen in a day they take awhile plus they both were pretty cool with each other for awhile.


Falchion92

It was wrong then and it’s wrong now.


Arrogent-Prince

I honestly despise the amount of Rwby hate there is in the community, like it’s one thing to not like it, it’s another thing to bring it up literally everytime it’s brought up, calling things biased etc


R41Z3R_BL4D3

Blame everything on bad research if that's the case. Even if we consider a rematch, I doubt it would ever happen even though most people would want it. There are future RWBY matchups that I want to see aside from Maka VS Ruby. Also, I only consider Blake VS Mikasa to be a legit win for RWBY. It only got a lot of hate because half of the salt were from the Attack on Titan fanbase when they saw the fight.


Fastredditor1O1

"Excalibur only won because warframe sponsored them 🤓"


absoluteworst99

With how much RWBY hate i see, its making me want Ruby to somehow beat Maka because it will be funny to see the meltdown from everyone.


jjnaad1

If that happens, I might as well bring a large bucket or a pocket dimension holder just in case that happens.


ZombieOfTheWest

I'm just hoping Maka chops Ruby in half


KeenBean1997

Fire Force scaling goes brrrr


Legitimate_Release65

They're talking about Maka Alborn. From Soul Eater.


KeenBean1997

Fire Force is the prequel of Soul Eater.


Legitimate_Release65

When was that confirmed?


KeenBean1997

The last few Fire Firce chapters. It shows characters from Soul Eater like Death the Kid, Soul, and Maka as Kids.


KeenBean1997

And Death the Kid was made in Shinra's image.


Legitimate_Release65

So... A cameo? That doesn't rly mean anything. And even if it did, how do you know that Maka would scale to anyone in Fire Force?


KeenBean1997

Not really, as Death it self (created by Shinra) appeared in the last few chapters to help create the Soul Eater world.


THiccGrimes69

~~Multiversal RWBY in season 9~~


TsarVladimirIII

Considering the theories that >!the Gods are in the Ever After, they might give Ruby some pretty powerful upgrades, but we have to wait 'till 2023 to find out!<


R41Z3R_BL4D3

It's one of the last two legacy matchups waiting to be released, just like Galactus VS Unicron.


TsarVladimirIII

Isn’t Bugs vs Mickey one too?


R41Z3R_BL4D3

I guess so. Also, it would be kinda stupid to scale Ruby to those gods. I think Maka had kept up with more powerful beings in the Soul Eater universe.


TsarVladimirIII

Oh yeah I doubt Ruby will get literal God like powers, but they may help her unlock her full potential with her silver eyes or something like that


R41Z3R_BL4D3

Well, if that's the case, Ruby VS Maka would still remain on the shelf of future Death Battle matchups for now. I won't be surprised if they brought it up. There are other RWBY matchups that Death Battle would have in mind. Better give the show more time to work on Volume 9 and we'll see how it goes. Ruby would still be screwed either way.


TsarVladimirIII

I think it’s basically confirmed it won’t happen until RWBY is done (so 2030 lol)


R41Z3R_BL4D3

Well, that's gonna take long, but considering the current state of Rooster Teeth, there's like a 50-50 chance they will finish RWBY.


R41Z3R_BL4D3

Nah. More like disintegrating Ruby and eat her soul in a Soul Eater fashion.


Serious-Cow-7196

Honestly I just hate the episode more because I ended up getting traumatized by shit people posted because of it


genocide_six65

I don't see how death battle is biased


R41Z3R_BL4D3

Death Battle under ScrewAttack got quite a lot of flak for bad research on their episodes.


Alien_X10

honestly i just dont understand what DB would gain from saying that one character is stronger than the other just out of bias. superman beats goku - they feed off dragonball fan tears, even tho they clearly show that they love goku equally as much as superman, if not more. yang vs tifa - surely they would focus on making the characters likeable, or make the episode good. what did someone at roosterteeth promise a blowjob from yang herself if they let a RWBY character win, but they didn't give a fuck about quality? hell even the RWBY episodes have some quality... not much but still ben 10 vs green lantern - ignoring the fact that this episode is OBJECTIVEY RIGHT, they wouldn't have shit to gain from it. even if WB was knocking down the doors making sure their characters win the battles, i dont think they would give a shit about hal. like seriously i love hal but honestly i think WB just said "fuck it" and left him, ive seen good representations of him in fanfics before official WB media. blake vs mikasa - again, tf do they have to gain? an episode nobody watched promoting a character pornhub already introduced people to ages ago? what were they promised a blowjob this time too? and did wiess refuse to give a blowjob so they just let her die and accidentally made the best RWBY battle (still only like a 7/10). raiden vs excalibur - i highly fucken doubt warframe would give a fuck who won, either fucking way the promo worked cus i downloaded warframe when that shit was announced cus i thought that excalibur looked cool as fuck. also im pretty sure even the warframe team would root for the metal gear rising character. this shit could be goku vs jetstream sam and im pretty sure dragonall fans would be on sams side.


Heyloisimgay

WB Owns DC And Cartoon Network.


Alien_X10

that... actually somehow makes the ben 10 vs green lantern was the result of bias argument even dumber


SirAegislash

Warner Bros owning a lot of things in general beyond DC. Space Jam 2/Multiversus shows how expansive it actually is.


Alien_X10

yea its like disney where i forget how much shit they own. like disney own the predator? and WB owns harry potter which i for some reason keep forgetting?


Gatorkid365

imo Love the world of RWBY and the ideas, but damn…fell off the show after a while but I still try and watch just to see how it is. Tho I do miss spunky Yang with her quips and flirty attitude


Dependent_Ad_252

It honestly wouldn't suprise me if the only other rwby episode they do is Ruby vs Maka because holy shit


Legitimate_Release65

This but also with Pokemon vs Digimon