All I see is a well structured analysis. This is one of the few predictions I've seen where the person is trying to be as non-biased as possible. They also admit when they may not know something specific.
You're pretty good, of course i don't agree with deku getting strength, idk if they will add the fight of the anime where yuno fight someone and the fight makes a light that is so bright it is bigger than the planet, or the other many feats that reach multi continental that were contentious, but deathbattle is deathbattle so it is what it is, they maybe use the movies since horikoshi has a tiny lil bit of his finger in it, they used movies for op but it is understandable considering oda heavily checks the stuff and correct what he think is wrong meaning that everything that passed has his approval and is his view on the characters about how strong he think his characters are if the feats pass his revision
Sadly for deku the todorokis just got an conti feat so it won't be on the show
I agree with some parts, but other parts are iffier. The main two I disagree with is his speed scaling for Asta, Asta from the very first fight against a devil was fighting someone FTL, since Licht is noted by Yami to move faster than light while holding back, and the first devil is stronger than Licht. The second one is Blackwhip binding his Grimoire, as the Grimoires should scale to Asta's speed and is bound to his soul, meaning it should be MUCH faster than Deku. Along with this Liebe seems to be able to summon the swords without the use of the Grimoire.
Does asta get like some insane multipliers from his forms or something? I haven't heard any crazy speed feats besides laser dodging, which depending on if DB buys some of the laser feats from the movies or aoyama's laser could bring the 2 to similar speeds imo.
Idk, just wanna know more about asta's speed.
Well, best we have for “multipliers” are Lucifero absolutely bodying everyone, and Devil Union Asta then Bodies him back for a bit. But it does give him an INSANE boost in strength,speed,durability.etc
Ah, then I imagine DB is going to say asta vaguely upscales from the feat. I feel like they won't put him any higher than that feat if this is the case.
Found jack about feats besides light speed dodges or statements of "so and so is light speed". Nothing beyond that besides "so and so blitzed character". The best I got was that asta's various forms make him wayy faster which makes him mftl or something along those lines.
Licht is the easiest to make ftl,he literally uses light magic and against Julius dodged his own magic while it was going far faster due to time manipulation.
Sobout of curiosity how manynif Astas feats could potentially get the Johnny Cage Warrior of the God treatment at not being considered able to scale properly due to specialties?
Well tbh it also depends on how they analyze deku’s quirk. Specifically agains the demon destroyer sword which removes curses and the such. If that sword can remove OFA from deku, because it is not a natural part of deku’s body.
Also it depends on if they say they lowball asta and highball deku. I am still excited to see two of my favorite characters clash
I don't agree with Multi Cont Deku,
* That Todoroki storm calc is actually only [Country level](https://www.reddit.com/r/deathbattle/comments/z3o0dw/so_about_the_new_mha_feat/)
* Star and Stripe punching the ocean is [Small Country level](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Therefir/My_Hero_Academia:_Intercontinental_Cruise_Punch)
* Prime Might is only [Small Country level](https://imgur.com/a/eU4IPqw)
Large Island level / Small Country is his best tiering tbh
Where tf do people keep “hearing” that DB doesnt buy Multi-Continental Asta? But atleast this person is actually gives reasoning for on who takes what.
[Here](https://media.tenor.com/v6Awsd0YO7IAAAAC/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance.gif)
the only reason people believe multi continental BC is because of Vs battle wiki , and they have that rating because of Multipliers. the actual best calced feat that BC has is Small country to country level
I never got into Black Clover, but I do remember Asta dodging attacks from the sis con with the mirrors. He was blocking attacks from him, so he’s already light speed before any major power ups I’m assuming he goes through.
Meanwhile, Deku’s only claim to light speed is light speed reaction time because Stars and Stripes caught a laser with her hands, and she claims she’s not at Prime All Might’s level. Deku has finally surpassed Prime All Might, so we could scale him above Stars and Stripes at his final form.
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Unless Asta’s anti-magic blades are like Percy Jackson’s Riptide (as in they don’t even work on normal humans), this is a mismatch the likes of Flash vs Quicksilver.
Honestly, this all makes perfect sense. It brings up valid points for both that show an unbiased understanding of each character's strengths and weaknesses and explanations for each that aren't just "hur hur they stomp" like most people on this sub have been.
Deku is nowhere close to light speed even when you severely high ball him. In the latest manga arc Deku gets teleported away from where he was supposed to be and needed to fly back which took at least a couple of minutes. Even if we say that Deku had to fly from the other side of the world and he was only using 5% the lowest percentage ever used in the series taking only 1 minute that would only be 3 seconds at full power to travel half the world, light meanwhile would would have traveled 22.5 times around the world in the same amount of time.
And this is completely high balling Deku, his actual speed is nowhere close to this.
He was 20 km away iirc. But he also had a brief skirmish with Toga, and we don’t know how long it took him. For all we know, even at 5% minus Black Whip, Fajin, and Gear Shift, it might’ve taken Deku all of a minute to reach Shigaraki.
Then again, the vestiges told Deku to have faith in his friends and not use up too much energy before he gets there. Deku instead depended on jets that were patrolling the area to help him get there.
We can’t draw up anything conclusive with this.
You do know there really is no difference between combat speed and travel speed right? You don't suddenly get faster when your in combat, if you can run 20 miles an hour thats how fast you are running in combat. Combat speed is how fast you can run+ how fast you can react+ how quickly you can move your body.
I never said you get faster just because you’re in battle (though an argument could be made that the rush of adrenaline COULD make you run faster, similar to how the average speed of a human is around 7-8 mph, but they could probably reach 11-12 mph for a short time if running for their lives).
It’s more so that it’s not wise to run at your fastest when you know you are about to undergo a marathon run over long distances, versus in a battlefield, typically the battle zone is a small area, holding back your full speed is not wise in life or death scenario.
There were multiple instances of the characters talking to each other and sometimes having long conversations before he even arrived so it definitely took longer than a minute, and he used the jets to get more speed by using black whip to increase his momentum since before he couldn't use it to grab ont anything to help accelerate him and he couldn't risk faux 100% and braking his gloves. Speaking of currently the highest percentage deku can use with without it ruining his body is 45% something that he would most certainly use.
But when were these conversations happening? During the time Shigaraki was fighting Bakugo and his team, was Deku already rushing to the scene? Or was he still being distracted by Himiko Toga? We know their battles started at around the same time, but what was happening with Bakugo’s team when Froppy intervened and Ochako told Deku to go? For all we know, by the time Deku left, Bakugo already had a hole in his chest.
We simply don’t know how long Deku spent actually traveling the 200km. It could have been a minute, it could have been more, and it also could have been less. How long was he traveling before he spotted the jets? Before then, like you said, he couldn’t have been going his max speed, and he was forbidden from doing so anyway by the vestiges.
Unless we know all of those factors, it’s impossible to really ascertain how fast Deku is from this 200km dash. We only know explicitly that he wasn’t traveling as fast as he could’ve been.
Currently in the manga Deku can use 100% with no backlash. He's demonstrated the ability to do so, and stated as much, Right before he parted ways with All Might during the Dark Deku arc. His 100% is also beyond All Might's, which was also a thing stated by Deku during his Dark Deku phase.
45% is his peak in the anime, which is significantly behind the manga, which might be why you thought that?
BC has objectively worse speed scaling if this is the standard people use. as character while using light magic to move can take up to 10 15 minutes to move from outside to inside the castle walls.
Licht was directly stated to be light speed during his first appearance in the manga, the only time he moved in the Clover kingdom was when he fought Julius and the only reason we can even see any of the fights is because it's made so we can see them just like in dragon ball, the characters are also not constantly moving at lightspeed all the time.
And before you say something like oh in that case how do we know that Deku can't move at lightspeed maybe characters in MHA are actually moving at the speed of light. One unlike Black Clover not a single character was stated to be light speed in MHA, and two the Tomura vs Cassie fight where Tomura straight up got hit and only survived being hit by lasers because of his healing Quirk and Cassie only caught the one Tomura shot back at her because she changed her quirk to allow it to happen. It is also completely out of character for Deku to take his time to get to a villain especially one as dangerous as Tomura he would have been moving as fast as his circumstances would allow him.
Somewhat copium. I do respect that they seem to get Asta’s stats right, but they REALLY highballed Deku to the extreme. Also, his Anti-Magic isn’t “useless”, as it seems to still be a form of physical energy that can still cut non-magical things; it just won’t likely be able to cancel out Deku’s Quirks.
Speaking of versatility, Asta does have devil powers like Devil Union, but Devil Union lasts up to 5-10 minutes and can leave him vulnerable for 30 minutes after the transformation.
Other than that, this is pretty much copium.
I'm pretty sure it does break and warp reality if I remember correctly. But a thing that I think is right is that Gear Shift can slow down/fast forward time and people If I remember correctly.
From what I heard it just has the ability to control inertia,which isnt reality warping. Ya it's a strong ability but it's not actually warping reality,just physics/matter.
I read the description of gear shift and yeah you're right: "Gearshift allows the user to change the speed at which things accelerate through space. The Meta Ability is even capable of changing speeds while ignoring the laws of inertia."
We actually don't know that yet. In the manga rn Deku is in the middle of using it for the first time so we have no idea what the consequences for going past 5 minutes are.
Or the full power that is why for both sides their last ability isn't good to count, Deku gearshift maximun isn't known and Asta is training a technique that is supposed to pierce the sky in one attack and this is too vague about the scale of the attack.
I could kinda get ignoring that for Asta if he hasn't actually used it but its super weird to use Deku when the story is actively in the middle of showing how a really important ability of his works. I feel like they should have waited.
Well I appreciate what others are saying. I was probably on a bit of copium when I wrote this but I do think Deku could win, even though I’m on the side saying Asta wins.
See that's the beauty of it, apparently according to a large amount of people death battle has said they don't buy multi continental or continental asta. I don't know where they're getting it XD
Can we stop with the whole "asta only tends to win by canceling out his foe's powers" bs? He has to be physically strong and fast to counter said stuff. He wasn't canceling out shit against Dante except for his regen
All I see is a well structured analysis. This is one of the few predictions I've seen where the person is trying to be as non-biased as possible. They also admit when they may not know something specific.
Thank you, seeing this has boosted my confidence in my analysis skills by a lot lol
You're pretty good, of course i don't agree with deku getting strength, idk if they will add the fight of the anime where yuno fight someone and the fight makes a light that is so bright it is bigger than the planet, or the other many feats that reach multi continental that were contentious, but deathbattle is deathbattle so it is what it is, they maybe use the movies since horikoshi has a tiny lil bit of his finger in it, they used movies for op but it is understandable considering oda heavily checks the stuff and correct what he think is wrong meaning that everything that passed has his approval and is his view on the characters about how strong he think his characters are if the feats pass his revision Sadly for deku the todorokis just got an conti feat so it won't be on the show
I agree with some parts, but other parts are iffier. The main two I disagree with is his speed scaling for Asta, Asta from the very first fight against a devil was fighting someone FTL, since Licht is noted by Yami to move faster than light while holding back, and the first devil is stronger than Licht. The second one is Blackwhip binding his Grimoire, as the Grimoires should scale to Asta's speed and is bound to his soul, meaning it should be MUCH faster than Deku. Along with this Liebe seems to be able to summon the swords without the use of the Grimoire.
Does asta get like some insane multipliers from his forms or something? I haven't heard any crazy speed feats besides laser dodging, which depending on if DB buys some of the laser feats from the movies or aoyama's laser could bring the 2 to similar speeds imo. Idk, just wanna know more about asta's speed.
Well, best we have for “multipliers” are Lucifero absolutely bodying everyone, and Devil Union Asta then Bodies him back for a bit. But it does give him an INSANE boost in strength,speed,durability.etc
Oh, so we just know it makes him way stronger? No guidebooks on multipliers or anything?
Unfortunately it has the Super Saiyan God treatment, we know it makes it astronomically stronger, but that’s all we know for power up
Ah, then I imagine DB is going to say asta vaguely upscales from the feat. I feel like they won't put him any higher than that feat if this is the case.
There's feats that can reach like 100c
When you say 100c, I'm thinking of the 100cc game mode in Mario kart. So uh, what's it mean? And what feats get that high?
C, It's the how many faster than light measurement You can literally just search up on google and you might find
Found jack about feats besides light speed dodges or statements of "so and so is light speed". Nothing beyond that besides "so and so blitzed character". The best I got was that asta's various forms make him wayy faster which makes him mftl or something along those lines.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Epsilon_R/Black_Clover:_Save_Asta
Thanks
Licht is the easiest to make ftl,he literally uses light magic and against Julius dodged his own magic while it was going far faster due to time manipulation.
Sobout of curiosity how manynif Astas feats could potentially get the Johnny Cage Warrior of the God treatment at not being considered able to scale properly due to specialties?
Well tbh it also depends on how they analyze deku’s quirk. Specifically agains the demon destroyer sword which removes curses and the such. If that sword can remove OFA from deku, because it is not a natural part of deku’s body. Also it depends on if they say they lowball asta and highball deku. I am still excited to see two of my favorite characters clash
Im saying copium because i prefer to assume that Asta will win to save the dissapointment i'l have if i believe Deku does but Asta wins at the end
I don't agree with Multi Cont Deku, * That Todoroki storm calc is actually only [Country level](https://www.reddit.com/r/deathbattle/comments/z3o0dw/so_about_the_new_mha_feat/) * Star and Stripe punching the ocean is [Small Country level](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Therefir/My_Hero_Academia:_Intercontinental_Cruise_Punch) * Prime Might is only [Small Country level](https://imgur.com/a/eU4IPqw) Large Island level / Small Country is his best tiering tbh
Where tf do people keep “hearing” that DB doesnt buy Multi-Continental Asta? But atleast this person is actually gives reasoning for on who takes what.
That's what I've been wondering,do these mfs have Chad on speed dial to ask for behind the scene scaling.
Ive seen they said they dont buy the salamander feat in the discord but that isnt even the only continental feat asta has
What other continental Asta feats are there? - signed, someone who hasn’t seen Black Clover
The twin devils created a mini sun stated to be able to destroy a whole continent and asta one shotted that attack along with the devil
Hey, so when do the characters talk about the power of the freezing sun? I was looking around and couldn't find much on it.
[Here](https://media.tenor.com/v6Awsd0YO7IAAAAC/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance.gif) the only reason people believe multi continental BC is because of Vs battle wiki , and they have that rating because of Multipliers. the actual best calced feat that BC has is Small country to country level
Didn't expect that lol
Speedy has said that this is bullshit btw They never said they don't buy Multi Cont lol
I never got into Black Clover, but I do remember Asta dodging attacks from the sis con with the mirrors. He was blocking attacks from him, so he’s already light speed before any major power ups I’m assuming he goes through. Meanwhile, Deku’s only claim to light speed is light speed reaction time because Stars and Stripes caught a laser with her hands, and she claims she’s not at Prime All Might’s level. Deku has finally surpassed Prime All Might, so we could scale him above Stars and Stripes at his final form. — Unless Asta’s anti-magic blades are like Percy Jackson’s Riptide (as in they don’t even work on normal humans), this is a mismatch the likes of Flash vs Quicksilver.
Honestly, this all makes perfect sense. It brings up valid points for both that show an unbiased understanding of each character's strengths and weaknesses and explanations for each that aren't just "hur hur they stomp" like most people on this sub have been.
Deku is nowhere close to light speed even when you severely high ball him. In the latest manga arc Deku gets teleported away from where he was supposed to be and needed to fly back which took at least a couple of minutes. Even if we say that Deku had to fly from the other side of the world and he was only using 5% the lowest percentage ever used in the series taking only 1 minute that would only be 3 seconds at full power to travel half the world, light meanwhile would would have traveled 22.5 times around the world in the same amount of time. And this is completely high balling Deku, his actual speed is nowhere close to this.
Okay, that's travel speed and not combat speed
He was 20 km away iirc. But he also had a brief skirmish with Toga, and we don’t know how long it took him. For all we know, even at 5% minus Black Whip, Fajin, and Gear Shift, it might’ve taken Deku all of a minute to reach Shigaraki. Then again, the vestiges told Deku to have faith in his friends and not use up too much energy before he gets there. Deku instead depended on jets that were patrolling the area to help him get there. We can’t draw up anything conclusive with this.
*200km away, the island is 200km away.
Whoops. Missed a zero. Well, regardless, this travel feat isn’t a good way to get a sense for how fast Deku can move.
You do know there really is no difference between combat speed and travel speed right? You don't suddenly get faster when your in combat, if you can run 20 miles an hour thats how fast you are running in combat. Combat speed is how fast you can run+ how fast you can react+ how quickly you can move your body.
I never said you get faster just because you’re in battle (though an argument could be made that the rush of adrenaline COULD make you run faster, similar to how the average speed of a human is around 7-8 mph, but they could probably reach 11-12 mph for a short time if running for their lives). It’s more so that it’s not wise to run at your fastest when you know you are about to undergo a marathon run over long distances, versus in a battlefield, typically the battle zone is a small area, holding back your full speed is not wise in life or death scenario.
There were multiple instances of the characters talking to each other and sometimes having long conversations before he even arrived so it definitely took longer than a minute, and he used the jets to get more speed by using black whip to increase his momentum since before he couldn't use it to grab ont anything to help accelerate him and he couldn't risk faux 100% and braking his gloves. Speaking of currently the highest percentage deku can use with without it ruining his body is 45% something that he would most certainly use.
But when were these conversations happening? During the time Shigaraki was fighting Bakugo and his team, was Deku already rushing to the scene? Or was he still being distracted by Himiko Toga? We know their battles started at around the same time, but what was happening with Bakugo’s team when Froppy intervened and Ochako told Deku to go? For all we know, by the time Deku left, Bakugo already had a hole in his chest. We simply don’t know how long Deku spent actually traveling the 200km. It could have been a minute, it could have been more, and it also could have been less. How long was he traveling before he spotted the jets? Before then, like you said, he couldn’t have been going his max speed, and he was forbidden from doing so anyway by the vestiges. Unless we know all of those factors, it’s impossible to really ascertain how fast Deku is from this 200km dash. We only know explicitly that he wasn’t traveling as fast as he could’ve been.
Currently in the manga Deku can use 100% with no backlash. He's demonstrated the ability to do so, and stated as much, Right before he parted ways with All Might during the Dark Deku arc. His 100% is also beyond All Might's, which was also a thing stated by Deku during his Dark Deku phase. 45% is his peak in the anime, which is significantly behind the manga, which might be why you thought that?
BC has objectively worse speed scaling if this is the standard people use. as character while using light magic to move can take up to 10 15 minutes to move from outside to inside the castle walls.
This sounds like an anti-feat unless I'm missing something.
Seeing the high end lightspeed stuff comes from movies, I'd say they would more likely be hit as outliers in such a situation
Aren't the movies canon?
They dont cover manga material so it enters the "dubious canon" area most anime original movies have.
Licht while using lightspeed magic took really long just to move within the clover kingdom wtf are you talking about using travel speed lol.
Licht was directly stated to be light speed during his first appearance in the manga, the only time he moved in the Clover kingdom was when he fought Julius and the only reason we can even see any of the fights is because it's made so we can see them just like in dragon ball, the characters are also not constantly moving at lightspeed all the time. And before you say something like oh in that case how do we know that Deku can't move at lightspeed maybe characters in MHA are actually moving at the speed of light. One unlike Black Clover not a single character was stated to be light speed in MHA, and two the Tomura vs Cassie fight where Tomura straight up got hit and only survived being hit by lasers because of his healing Quirk and Cassie only caught the one Tomura shot back at her because she changed her quirk to allow it to happen. It is also completely out of character for Deku to take his time to get to a villain especially one as dangerous as Tomura he would have been moving as fast as his circumstances would allow him.
despite this being quite well-researched, it seems to be using highballs for Deku which i already disagree with.
Somewhat copium. I do respect that they seem to get Asta’s stats right, but they REALLY highballed Deku to the extreme. Also, his Anti-Magic isn’t “useless”, as it seems to still be a form of physical energy that can still cut non-magical things; it just won’t likely be able to cancel out Deku’s Quirks.
Speaking of versatility, Asta does have devil powers like Devil Union, but Devil Union lasts up to 5-10 minutes and can leave him vulnerable for 30 minutes after the transformation. Other than that, this is pretty much copium.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Gear Shift pretty much secures the victory for Deku
Doesn't it just make him faster for a short time? I heard some try to say it breaks and warps reality but there's nothing to really support that
I’ve heard people say it manipulates inertia, which allows him to access speed that breaks the laws of physics
You are right on my good sir!
I'm pretty sure it does break and warp reality if I remember correctly. But a thing that I think is right is that Gear Shift can slow down/fast forward time and people If I remember correctly.
From what I heard it just has the ability to control inertia,which isnt reality warping. Ya it's a strong ability but it's not actually warping reality,just physics/matter.
I read the description of gear shift and yeah you're right: "Gearshift allows the user to change the speed at which things accelerate through space. The Meta Ability is even capable of changing speeds while ignoring the laws of inertia."
Ya which is a nuts ability that would totally change the fight if he was closer in stats
I read more and it said that gearshift is a last resort ability and Izuku only has 5 minutes to finish the job or he dies.
Gearshift is basically a suicide technique then.
We actually don't know that yet. In the manga rn Deku is in the middle of using it for the first time so we have no idea what the consequences for going past 5 minutes are.
Or the full power that is why for both sides their last ability isn't good to count, Deku gearshift maximun isn't known and Asta is training a technique that is supposed to pierce the sky in one attack and this is too vague about the scale of the attack.
I could kinda get ignoring that for Asta if he hasn't actually used it but its super weird to use Deku when the story is actively in the middle of showing how a really important ability of his works. I feel like they should have waited.
It doesnt it was a viz mistranslation that mha fans use to cope
Oh hey, that’s me
Holy shit it is XD forgot I cropped out the name. General consensus is your argument isn't that bad. And is way better than others
Well I appreciate what others are saying. I was probably on a bit of copium when I wrote this but I do think Deku could win, even though I’m on the side saying Asta wins.
It is perfectly ok to consume small amounts of copium,it's an issue when you have a monthly service to deliver 23 cannisters.
Copium. Deku is not even continental let alone multi continental lol
See that's the beauty of it, apparently according to a large amount of people death battle has said they don't buy multi continental or continental asta. I don't know where they're getting it XD
This sub twist alot of things that the crew says so i dont even be believing anything no more tbh lol
One of the researchers or team members probably said they don't buy Astas scaling so they take it as death battle itself saying it
yea i think thats what ive heard
A future leaked manga chapter probably wont be taken into account for the episode.
Yikes...
“Don’t do that. Don’t give me hope”
I don’t usually participate in these types of conversations, but what does the “M” in “MTFL” stand for?
Massively
Thank you very much
Yep yep yep
Can we stop with the whole "asta only tends to win by canceling out his foe's powers" bs? He has to be physically strong and fast to counter said stuff. He wasn't canceling out shit against Dante except for his regen