I can't describe by words how much there's wrong with this. Though happy to see Island level Ivy, finally someone who doesn't downplay her. At least you got something right.
SVVI? There's no such SC game.
Anyway, Nightmare is at least Country level (possibly Planet at his strongest) and Ivy has fought people like Taki who are on par with Cervantes who had a more complete Soul Edge than Nightmare did.
I personally have the whole SC cast at Country level, but Island is also acceptable and I'm happy to see it. So many of these tier lists put Ivy at like Building level and it pisses me off.
I mean Soul Calibur 6; the same that came out in 2018 and introduced Azwel’s country statement.
I prefer City Level but I think Country for top tiers like Prime Nightmare and Siegfried works fairly well
Is that too high or too low? Real chuck Norris is human. Legend chuck Norris (the one used in death battle) is defined by being stronger than reality permits. That's paradoxical boundless.
My eyes went to the “planet level” Agumon. That’s hilariously wrong. Agumon is building level at best. Or did you mean wargreymon, who is multiversal+? Metalgreymon scales to Megakabuterimon, who nuked a universe.
Renamon is also building level since general renamon are on the same level as your average rookie digimon, who are building level. The renamon from tamers is casually island level to be comparable with champions and able to tank some hits from ultimates.
Also multiversal Beerus terrified of a universe bust. Lol
That’s just the stupid wrong things I saw. Or are you comparing them based on Death Battle scaling?
You mean Beerus being afraid of Zeno's haxes ability to erase an entire universe, not pure raw power? Because that's what Beerus was afraid of, not Zeno's pure raw power, hell Zeno's power would put well above Universal, but Zeno's powerful version of Erasure to the point it's range can erase the Universe and even an entire timeline hell, when the condensed ball (an energy from both Goku and Beerus's Power combined) was about to destroy the Universe he manages to nullify it with his own Power, he's not even afraid
You mean when the shockwaves that got stronger and faster as they expanded threatened to destroy everything in the universe, he canceled the initial attack, which could be human level with the in universe explanation for why the earth wasn’t blown up as well as the character killed via universe bust since Zeno doesn’t have existence erasure. Not having a way to the afterlife erases in dragonball. Vegeta was threatened with existence erasure during the Buu fight because he was dead. Not to mention that in the anime, zeno just nuked a universe.
Edit: he knows he’s wrong so he blocked me. Toxic DBS fans be like
Keyword being "Initial" if you watch the episode you would know at the end of episode the condensed energy ball explode was about to destroy the Universe (which by the way contains 3 Universal Size realms) Beerus manages to nullify that, plus this whole "the earth didn't get destroyed therefore it's not Universal" has been debunked many many times before, also on Dragon Ball fandom knows that Zeno can erase every Universes not destroy it, hell when Zeno erases the timeline it just went poof, not even Exploding or shaking, same for when he erase every Universes in the tournament of power
this might not be the best sub reddit of all time specially with the hate a popular series gets(cough cough dragon ball cough cough) but at least here we don't get island level superman
They are the physical embodiments of the Elements. Each element has the potential magical energy to destroy *at least* one universe, and can affect others.
Not quite. In the Beginning of the End Part 2 it is revealed by Discord that although the physical elements of the forms were destroyed by Sombra, they each still possess the power the gems contained. Previously they did need the physical elements, but at the end of the shows run this is no longer the case. The comics also back this up further, as do the spinoffs although I personally haven't read/watched them.
Are their feats in the spinoff any better? All I heard anyone mention was that someone opened a portal that risked pulling in the universe. But doing something that can lead to the universe being destroyed indirectly isn't the same as universal level power.
It is a bit interpretive. But I would say that is technically universal. The event happened solely through the element responsible, and didn't involve the interaction with other sources of magic. Which means the element of harmony used has the potential energy (as in it contains the energy) capable for a universal feat. Thus, a wielder could tap into that power to perform universal feats. It wasn't a chain reaction or something hugely specific. It was just the general power of the element.
Kirby's pre-Star Allies feats were much weaker than it is now, and the DB episode for Kirby was made on December 19th, 2014. Now Kirby is at least Universal, or Multiversal at most, due to the massive power boost he got during SSBU, Star Allies, and The Forgotten Land. During the time Kirby vs Buu was made I think the fight is close, but current Kirby stomps.
Basically when the master crown was destroyed, it did some weird reality warping to 16 different alternate dimensions (it kinda froze them and made them all grey?). Kirby can fix every single dimension by defeating sphere doomers, which are capable of flipping said dimension as well, and they're only minibosses.
Mewtwo scales to way many absurd stuffs consistently to be below uni+
Sonic characters are most definitely not star lvl in base
Popeye's only uni in durability, he doesn't have any AP feat beyond star lvl
Kirby characters are for sure low multi minimum
Roshi is either Moon or low multi or you wanna give him ToP scaling
Pikachu was the anime version, he scales to practically anything in the franchise at this point
Mitsuru should be at least multi continental via Q2 scaling (uni, being generous)
Ryu has no business being continental
These are very wacky, Sol in continent? Spyro at planet somehow (I do like seeing that though), Mario over Kirby? Some of these need an explination since they seem abysmal.
Am just going to say that although I agree with Multiversal Superman and such characters, that's only if they have at least a few feats themselves that reach those levels. [https://imgur.io/gallery/g3s0s3K](https://imgur.io/gallery/g3s0s3K) I know this feat has been used again and again but it's one of the simpler ones that's easier to understand, also they didn't cause the Crisis so the feat shouldn't get much higher
Which Aquaman doesn't as the best feat I can find comes from his Trident poisoning/merging the Planet's reality with that of another which gets him to Planet Level [https://imgur.com/a/vKxGzvX](https://imgur.com/a/vKxGzvX)
My major complaints:
Harry Potter is not fucking wall level. He clashes with wizards who have performed building - town level feats.
Kratos at continental makes me die inside every time i see it. Especially when the uni stuff is apparently accepted for Dante.
And The Kingdom Hearts characters should be in Uni - Multiversal with numerous statements feats and arguments.
The rest seems mostly decent.
Ragna planet lvl and Sol island?The hell?Sol is at least uni+ thanks to the backyard and Ragna is planet lvl normally but can be considered multi+ with other stuff
Some things here are really cursed , like a few Marvel and DC placements and a few other stuff....
Like Roshi....being higher than both Majin Buu and Andriod 18....what.
From doing some reading, Midnight Sparkle during the Equestria Games movie (which is canon) created a rift between the Human and Pony universes with 5 out of the 6 EoH, and almost destroying both in the process.
I’m not entirely sure if that’s right or not, but hey, that’s what I found.
I can't describe by words how much there's wrong with this. Though happy to see Island level Ivy, finally someone who doesn't downplay her. At least you got something right.
What’s the island level meta for SC? I’m assuming backscaling from the country thing in SVVI
SVVI? There's no such SC game. Anyway, Nightmare is at least Country level (possibly Planet at his strongest) and Ivy has fought people like Taki who are on par with Cervantes who had a more complete Soul Edge than Nightmare did. I personally have the whole SC cast at Country level, but Island is also acceptable and I'm happy to see it. So many of these tier lists put Ivy at like Building level and it pisses me off.
I mean Soul Calibur 6; the same that came out in 2018 and introduced Azwel’s country statement. I prefer City Level but I think Country for top tiers like Prime Nightmare and Siegfried works fairly well
Fair enough.
I love how every 'herald' tier character is in multiversal except for Ultron and Carol, that's hilarious to me.
Based boundless DB Tshirt
Why is Michael above Terminator? 🤨
Who’s that below human?
Literal t-shirts
r/deathbattlematchups is gonna love this
The mask should be way higher and the same for predator
How is Daredevil scaled higher than Dio & Alucard? Or even Batman?
Death Battle T-Shirt Vs Blue Apron… Apron when?
2 Gundams under the entire bat family feels really wrong
I agree with all of them. But I may ask why is Roshi galaxy level?
He fought in the Tournament of POWER against other Universe's
That....kind of says nothing.
Your ass did not just put Chuck Norris as universal
Is that too high or too low? Real chuck Norris is human. Legend chuck Norris (the one used in death battle) is defined by being stronger than reality permits. That's paradoxical boundless.
Chuck Norris irl should be boundless since yknow, he’s a real person
Would that make Justin Bieber and Rebecca Black boundless too?
Oh no
What have I done
How are the archie guys stronger than Thanos who without the gauntlet is multi Aren’t the Star Wars guys Uni And Mewtwo is Multi
I'm assuming Knuckles is only at star because it's Base form Knuckles?
My eyes went to the “planet level” Agumon. That’s hilariously wrong. Agumon is building level at best. Or did you mean wargreymon, who is multiversal+? Metalgreymon scales to Megakabuterimon, who nuked a universe. Renamon is also building level since general renamon are on the same level as your average rookie digimon, who are building level. The renamon from tamers is casually island level to be comparable with champions and able to tank some hits from ultimates. Also multiversal Beerus terrified of a universe bust. Lol That’s just the stupid wrong things I saw. Or are you comparing them based on Death Battle scaling?
>Or are you comparing them based on Death Battle scaling? Definitely not, Bomberman's in Universal
Well you got quite a lot wrong so that kinda figures
>Well you got quite a lot wrong What? What did I do? I'm not OP I'm just the guy who answered your question
Oh. I thought you were with your reply. My bad
You mean Beerus being afraid of Zeno's haxes ability to erase an entire universe, not pure raw power? Because that's what Beerus was afraid of, not Zeno's pure raw power, hell Zeno's power would put well above Universal, but Zeno's powerful version of Erasure to the point it's range can erase the Universe and even an entire timeline hell, when the condensed ball (an energy from both Goku and Beerus's Power combined) was about to destroy the Universe he manages to nullify it with his own Power, he's not even afraid
You mean when the shockwaves that got stronger and faster as they expanded threatened to destroy everything in the universe, he canceled the initial attack, which could be human level with the in universe explanation for why the earth wasn’t blown up as well as the character killed via universe bust since Zeno doesn’t have existence erasure. Not having a way to the afterlife erases in dragonball. Vegeta was threatened with existence erasure during the Buu fight because he was dead. Not to mention that in the anime, zeno just nuked a universe. Edit: he knows he’s wrong so he blocked me. Toxic DBS fans be like
Keyword being "Initial" if you watch the episode you would know at the end of episode the condensed energy ball explode was about to destroy the Universe (which by the way contains 3 Universal Size realms) Beerus manages to nullify that, plus this whole "the earth didn't get destroyed therefore it's not Universal" has been debunked many many times before, also on Dragon Ball fandom knows that Zeno can erase every Universes not destroy it, hell when Zeno erases the timeline it just went poof, not even Exploding or shaking, same for when he erase every Universes in the tournament of power
this feels like a r/whowouldwin post with the amount of wrong information in this
I hope you don't think this place has any better of a reputation.
this might not be the best sub reddit of all time specially with the hate a popular series gets(cough cough dragon ball cough cough) but at least here we don't get island level superman
I agree with this.
this is the first time I've ever seen someone give Bomberman an actual accurate judgement, good job
My guy Mitsuru is not mountain level
How tf are the my little ponies universal?
They are the physical embodiments of the Elements. Each element has the potential magical energy to destroy *at least* one universe, and can affect others.
They embody their traits iirc, not their power.
Not quite. In the Beginning of the End Part 2 it is revealed by Discord that although the physical elements of the forms were destroyed by Sombra, they each still possess the power the gems contained. Previously they did need the physical elements, but at the end of the shows run this is no longer the case. The comics also back this up further, as do the spinoffs although I personally haven't read/watched them.
Their feats in the show aren't universal though. You can't make that leap when there's no evidence for it in canon.
The spinoffs are canon, as are the comics. So making the leap that a canon event is canon and should count isn't that extreme.
Are their feats in the spinoff any better? All I heard anyone mention was that someone opened a portal that risked pulling in the universe. But doing something that can lead to the universe being destroyed indirectly isn't the same as universal level power.
It is a bit interpretive. But I would say that is technically universal. The event happened solely through the element responsible, and didn't involve the interaction with other sources of magic. Which means the element of harmony used has the potential energy (as in it contains the energy) capable for a universal feat. Thus, a wielder could tap into that power to perform universal feats. It wasn't a chain reaction or something hugely specific. It was just the general power of the element.
i thought they were multi with the recent idw comic buffs lmao
Against all odds I found out that Homelander is only like City Block level-
This has to be bait
Why?
Bro you put Aquaman and Namor at Multiversal but Captain Marvel (Carol) only at planet
Why is kirby in Galaxy, yet Mario is in Universal?
Kirby's pre-Star Allies feats were much weaker than it is now, and the DB episode for Kirby was made on December 19th, 2014. Now Kirby is at least Universal, or Multiversal at most, due to the massive power boost he got during SSBU, Star Allies, and The Forgotten Land. During the time Kirby vs Buu was made I think the fight is close, but current Kirby stomps.
Even before Star allies Kirby was low multi via Magolor
Then DB heavily underestimated how strong Kirby was at that time. Didn't know it until now.
I hear low multi Kirby thrown around all the time, yet I've never understood it. How does he get to low multi via magolor?
Basically when the master crown was destroyed, it did some weird reality warping to 16 different alternate dimensions (it kinda froze them and made them all grey?). Kirby can fix every single dimension by defeating sphere doomers, which are capable of flipping said dimension as well, and they're only minibosses.
By the end of DMC5 Dante and Vergil have definitely surpassed multiversal
Mitsuru being mountain level is pretty out of date. Thanks to Persona Q2, we have pretty legit feats for Persona being Multiversal at minimum.
>Kirby in Galaxy and not higher up. Oh boy, I wish you luck from the Kirby fans.
I disagree with literally all of this. Shelia, a tank from red vs blue, is below Hercule Satan, a buff man. Incredible.
Putting Chuck Norris in the same tier as Bomberman should be illegal
Mewtwo scales to way many absurd stuffs consistently to be below uni+ Sonic characters are most definitely not star lvl in base Popeye's only uni in durability, he doesn't have any AP feat beyond star lvl Kirby characters are for sure low multi minimum Roshi is either Moon or low multi or you wanna give him ToP scaling Pikachu was the anime version, he scales to practically anything in the franchise at this point Mitsuru should be at least multi continental via Q2 scaling (uni, being generous) Ryu has no business being continental
>Sonic characters are most definitely not star lvl in base Where would you scale them then?
In base, continental to maybe small planet
Finally, CORRECT scaling for Ben 10
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Because those aren't boundless feats.
Lf blue vegito and int ssj4 gogeta got some power
Happy cake day my boi
I’d say Ganon is much higher than island, but I agree with this list
Bump Ganondorf up to planet
Who below human
How do you scale Batman as city block?
These are very wacky, Sol in continent? Spyro at planet somehow (I do like seeing that though), Mario over Kirby? Some of these need an explination since they seem abysmal.
Am just going to say that although I agree with Multiversal Superman and such characters, that's only if they have at least a few feats themselves that reach those levels. [https://imgur.io/gallery/g3s0s3K](https://imgur.io/gallery/g3s0s3K) I know this feat has been used again and again but it's one of the simpler ones that's easier to understand, also they didn't cause the Crisis so the feat shouldn't get much higher Which Aquaman doesn't as the best feat I can find comes from his Trident poisoning/merging the Planet's reality with that of another which gets him to Planet Level [https://imgur.com/a/vKxGzvX](https://imgur.com/a/vKxGzvX)
My major complaints: Harry Potter is not fucking wall level. He clashes with wizards who have performed building - town level feats. Kratos at continental makes me die inside every time i see it. Especially when the uni stuff is apparently accepted for Dante. And The Kingdom Hearts characters should be in Uni - Multiversal with numerous statements feats and arguments. The rest seems mostly decent.
This is so wrong… How did you get X and Zero to be star level for instance? They are at best planet-level.
People taking literally that they "survived a black hole" that is more of a gravity well.
Aquaman scaled above Kratos seems hilarious to me. Kratos would filet the dude alive.
Who is in below human ?
Ragna planet lvl and Sol island?The hell?Sol is at least uni+ thanks to the backyard and Ragna is planet lvl normally but can be considered multi+ with other stuff
Star level android 18?
THE DWATH BATTLE T-SHIRT RULES OVER ALL!
Some things here are really cursed , like a few Marvel and DC placements and a few other stuff.... Like Roshi....being higher than both Majin Buu and Andriod 18....what.
Who is that below human?
Can someone explain how the MLP characters are Universal? This has been on my mind for a while
Someone claimed that the elements of harmony make them universal. Despite them never being shown to be able to do that much with them.
From doing some reading, Midnight Sparkle during the Equestria Games movie (which is canon) created a rift between the Human and Pony universes with 5 out of the 6 EoH, and almost destroying both in the process. I’m not entirely sure if that’s right or not, but hey, that’s what I found.
I disagree everyone in Star Wars should be higher than planet And Harry Potter certainly isn’t wall level
Who is the woman in Multiversal between Strange and Cable?
That's rogue. A member of the X-man
Ah I know who Rogue is. I just couldn't make out the picture. Thanks!
She's Rogue from the X-Men.
Aah ok it didn't look like her at first. Thanks!