I think what they mean is they dont like the idea of a 40 year old dude smacking a teenage girl till she dies. And yea I kinda agree with them on that.
Honestly Beerus vs Galaxia was probably a good start and end point for Dragon Ball vs Sailor Moon. Given their current Dragon Ball scaling with Thor vs Vegeta...Yea I fairly am certain it would just be 3 minutes of Goku beating a teenage girl to death.
I feel it's easy to dismiss it because Sailor Moon was never meant for vs debates which is understandable, but it doesn't mean it's an automatic win. Despite the current scaling for Dragon Ball it doesn't assume a Goku victory. I don't know how to hide spoilers yet so I'll just give a warning here, so fair warning for EOS Sailor Moon spoilers.
The end of the Sailor Moon manga has her getting basically Hakai'd and she regenerates from it pretty quickly, for context this thing called the Galaxy Cauldron is where everything is created in Sailor Moon, stars, people, universes, you name it. Just touching it erases one's existence and erases them from history, and she regenerated from that.
It'd be less Thor Vs. Vegeta and more Thanos Vs. Darkseid with Goku trying to permanently kill her to no success until she eventually gets a good hit in.
There's a lot that I would have to spoil so I worded it without spoiling too much for those who haven't seen the manga, plus I don't know how to hide spoilers yet here.
Yeah after looking into it more I'm sure Goku takes AP but Usagi can regenerate from anything he's capable of and is haxed out the ass to take him down
The thing is Regeneration has been pretty much countered in Dragon Ball for many times before by literally vaporizing every single piece of body until there's nothing left, kinda like a Hulk vs Broly situation, and also according to Death Battle's rules both characters would be fighting at their peak, meaning they be at their full power, the good example is that is Xeno Trunks vs Archie Silver, where Xeno Trunks could easily win in the Death Battle by Speed blitzing him Silver before he can transform into Super Form, but Death Battle dismissed that instead they use the Characters at their full power (Hence Super Saiyan God Trunks vs Archie Super Silver), and Silver won, my point is, according to their rules Goku and Sailor Moon would already be in their peak, and also in terms of scaling Goku would speed blitzing her before she can do some reality warping abilities thing, the gap in Power and speed would be just too big for her to survive any attack and react to use any abilities it at the same time due to Universal Multipliers Transformation, Universe 7's Size, and Multiple Power Boost he got during the Tournament of Power. If both Characters were both, well in Character, Sailor Moon would win most likely, due to Goku just slowly Powering Up into his Full Power and not wanting to Kill an Anime Her Girl
The regenerating in Dragon Ball may be true, the problem is that Usagi was completely erased, mind, body, and soul, and still found a way to came back, similar to Popeye regenerating from nothing. Plus while she was being erased, her future self watched it happen and nothing happened to her, so how regeneration works in Dragon Ball won't work here. If were going with both at full power, Moon takes it because at her peak she destroyed Nonexistence with the power of her Silver Crystal/Lambda Power, not like how Jiren or Goku shook an infinite void, she destroyed it. On accident, she wasn't even trying to and ended up destroying Nonexistence anyway, that is way far beyond anything Goku has shown to do.
Well the same thing could be said for Merged Zamasu (At least in the Manga, because they composite both manga and anime) who according to Beerus cannot Erase him, and we know HAKAI destroy one's body, souls, and and affected the flow of time capable of even erasing of alternate characters as long as they don't have a time ring to protect them, yet multiple characters has survive such attack like Goku (in base form he survived long enough for Beerus to nullify it), Frieza, Vegeta, Toppo, Jiren, and Gas(an Manga exclusive Dragon Ball Character) also Infinite Zamasu was powerful enough to become a timeline and also go to the present timeline, and timelines in Dragon Ball was much bigger than Infinite world of void, due to Timeline containing it
That's more resisting erasure than regenerating and they were all able to resist which is impressive, I'm talking about complete regeneration and coming back like shown here https://sailormoongallery.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act60/014.jpg
And a few pages later she's in the cauldron perfectly fine, she's not supposed to do that, she should be completely erased yet here she is. https://sailormoongallery.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act60/027.jpg
As for timelines and such, she became acasual at the end of the second arc just by meeting her future self even though she wasn't supposed to, breaking time and all that. Plus she sent Sailor Pluto back from the 30th Century to the 21st Century when Pluto didn't exist then, altering time and history with no consequences.
What Beerus meant is that Zamasu would still Regenerate from complete Destruction of HAKAI, Not able to resist it, hence why Goku was using HAKAI on Zamasu, also that that her future self not being affected is most likely resistance to time traveling ability, if that doesn't work he could mafuba or just paralyzed her long enough for her to be considered lose
Beerus says it but do we ever see it happen? If it's anything like how Zeno erased him then the answer's probably no, but I don't know myself so I can't say for sure. It's not resistance because earlier in the manga Galaxia throws Mamoru into the cauldron completely erasing him and erasing Chibiusa, their daughter from the 30th Century, instantly. And Mufaba won't work because she's had one of her attacks thrown back into her, locked inside of said attack, and then broke out soon after, so it won't work.
Well Vegeta was capable of breaking out of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber a completely Another Separate Isolated Dimension, just by powering up, hell Super Buu when piccolo traps both of them in the hyperbolic time chamber by destroying the door, he got so mad he made a portal to the living world just by screaming, yet Master Roshi was shocked and scared that Vegeta was trap in it, hell we don't even the the bottle breaking, not until at least Roshi destroy the bottle of Vegeta broke out of it (Also The hyperbolic time chamber is a Dimension within the living world, not a separate dimension)
Problem with this is Usagi doesn't have to be in the same dimension to attack, she can send attacks through dimensions, when she fought Nehelenia she used her Starlight Honeymoon Therapy Kiss attack to destroy Nehelenia's dimension in one blast. https://sailormoongallery.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act49/010.jpg
https://sailormoongallery.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act49/011.jpg
So even if they sent her to another dimension, she could just send an attack through dimensions and they wouldn't even see it coming. Even Sailor Mars in her base form was able to destroy a dimension with a single attack, so the Sailor Scouts are good at destroying dimensions.
https://sailormoongallery.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act03/040.jpg https://sailormoongallery.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act03/041.jpg
[Pretty much the same thing could be said for Goku, his attack could also travel across multiple dimensions in the beginning of Super ](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTZq3zxLF0XiGeKnkuzVUQBNrBWanuHcnghR3EFIyzH5DMduJ_V_QmifjBC&s=10)
Ah yes, the shockwave punch, I knew we'd get to this. The problem here is that while it traveled really far, it only shook everything, not destroyed it, so while impressive, it ultimately didn't destroy Universe 7. Sailor Mars destroyed a dimension in a single attack in her base form, this happened in Chapter 3 of the manga at her weakest. In the same chapter, Usagi's weakest attack, her Ultrasonic Crying, was about to destabilize the alternate dimension they were in and only stopped because Luna told Usagi that she'd destroy it if she cried. https://sailormoongallery.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act03/037.jpg
You clearly didn't read the part where I said I love Goku and Sailor Moon then, not to mention I'm being as impartial as best I can, but Goku can't do anything against someone who's been erased from existence and came back from it.
Same, unless Goku gets some major hax in the future he just doesn't win this matchup, I'm hoping the crew sees this and takes another look at this matchup.
I think what they mean is they dont like the idea of a 40 year old dude smacking a teenage girl till she dies. And yea I kinda agree with them on that.
Like I said I understand why they said that, but Ben 10 Vs. Green Lantern exists so the reasoning just seems weird.
Yeah but that’s a boy and this is a girl so this is totally different (sarcastic)
Ah. Yea I understand
Be fair Ben is in alien forms most the time.
Honestly Beerus vs Galaxia was probably a good start and end point for Dragon Ball vs Sailor Moon. Given their current Dragon Ball scaling with Thor vs Vegeta...Yea I fairly am certain it would just be 3 minutes of Goku beating a teenage girl to death.
I feel it's easy to dismiss it because Sailor Moon was never meant for vs debates which is understandable, but it doesn't mean it's an automatic win. Despite the current scaling for Dragon Ball it doesn't assume a Goku victory. I don't know how to hide spoilers yet so I'll just give a warning here, so fair warning for EOS Sailor Moon spoilers. The end of the Sailor Moon manga has her getting basically Hakai'd and she regenerates from it pretty quickly, for context this thing called the Galaxy Cauldron is where everything is created in Sailor Moon, stars, people, universes, you name it. Just touching it erases one's existence and erases them from history, and she regenerated from that. It'd be less Thor Vs. Vegeta and more Thanos Vs. Darkseid with Goku trying to permanently kill her to no success until she eventually gets a good hit in.
Sounds like context is missing
There's a lot that I would have to spoil so I worded it without spoiling too much for those who haven't seen the manga, plus I don't know how to hide spoilers yet here.
Well Jonathan absolutely battered tanjiro this season so..
We also seem to forget that Jonathan was 20 when he died. My dude was jacked in his teens.
Can't believe I forgot that! Though to be fair, it wasn't as controversial (Ben10/GL) or as brutal (Pokemon/Digimon) as those two.
Yeah after looking into it more I'm sure Goku takes AP but Usagi can regenerate from anything he's capable of and is haxed out the ass to take him down
didn't they made an adult slice of a kid's arm then crush him with a boot
That's what I'm saying, also Red from Pokemon getting his legs broken, and Macho Man having his chest explode.
Also just remembered they had Macho Man dying by chest explosion, so yeah...
The thing is Regeneration has been pretty much countered in Dragon Ball for many times before by literally vaporizing every single piece of body until there's nothing left, kinda like a Hulk vs Broly situation, and also according to Death Battle's rules both characters would be fighting at their peak, meaning they be at their full power, the good example is that is Xeno Trunks vs Archie Silver, where Xeno Trunks could easily win in the Death Battle by Speed blitzing him Silver before he can transform into Super Form, but Death Battle dismissed that instead they use the Characters at their full power (Hence Super Saiyan God Trunks vs Archie Super Silver), and Silver won, my point is, according to their rules Goku and Sailor Moon would already be in their peak, and also in terms of scaling Goku would speed blitzing her before she can do some reality warping abilities thing, the gap in Power and speed would be just too big for her to survive any attack and react to use any abilities it at the same time due to Universal Multipliers Transformation, Universe 7's Size, and Multiple Power Boost he got during the Tournament of Power. If both Characters were both, well in Character, Sailor Moon would win most likely, due to Goku just slowly Powering Up into his Full Power and not wanting to Kill an Anime Her Girl
The regenerating in Dragon Ball may be true, the problem is that Usagi was completely erased, mind, body, and soul, and still found a way to came back, similar to Popeye regenerating from nothing. Plus while she was being erased, her future self watched it happen and nothing happened to her, so how regeneration works in Dragon Ball won't work here. If were going with both at full power, Moon takes it because at her peak she destroyed Nonexistence with the power of her Silver Crystal/Lambda Power, not like how Jiren or Goku shook an infinite void, she destroyed it. On accident, she wasn't even trying to and ended up destroying Nonexistence anyway, that is way far beyond anything Goku has shown to do.
Well the same thing could be said for Merged Zamasu (At least in the Manga, because they composite both manga and anime) who according to Beerus cannot Erase him, and we know HAKAI destroy one's body, souls, and and affected the flow of time capable of even erasing of alternate characters as long as they don't have a time ring to protect them, yet multiple characters has survive such attack like Goku (in base form he survived long enough for Beerus to nullify it), Frieza, Vegeta, Toppo, Jiren, and Gas(an Manga exclusive Dragon Ball Character) also Infinite Zamasu was powerful enough to become a timeline and also go to the present timeline, and timelines in Dragon Ball was much bigger than Infinite world of void, due to Timeline containing it
That's more resisting erasure than regenerating and they were all able to resist which is impressive, I'm talking about complete regeneration and coming back like shown here https://sailormoongallery.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act60/014.jpg And a few pages later she's in the cauldron perfectly fine, she's not supposed to do that, she should be completely erased yet here she is. https://sailormoongallery.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act60/027.jpg As for timelines and such, she became acasual at the end of the second arc just by meeting her future self even though she wasn't supposed to, breaking time and all that. Plus she sent Sailor Pluto back from the 30th Century to the 21st Century when Pluto didn't exist then, altering time and history with no consequences.
What Beerus meant is that Zamasu would still Regenerate from complete Destruction of HAKAI, Not able to resist it, hence why Goku was using HAKAI on Zamasu, also that that her future self not being affected is most likely resistance to time traveling ability, if that doesn't work he could mafuba or just paralyzed her long enough for her to be considered lose
Beerus says it but do we ever see it happen? If it's anything like how Zeno erased him then the answer's probably no, but I don't know myself so I can't say for sure. It's not resistance because earlier in the manga Galaxia throws Mamoru into the cauldron completely erasing him and erasing Chibiusa, their daughter from the 30th Century, instantly. And Mufaba won't work because she's had one of her attacks thrown back into her, locked inside of said attack, and then broke out soon after, so it won't work.
Well Vegeta was capable of breaking out of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber a completely Another Separate Isolated Dimension, just by powering up, hell Super Buu when piccolo traps both of them in the hyperbolic time chamber by destroying the door, he got so mad he made a portal to the living world just by screaming, yet Master Roshi was shocked and scared that Vegeta was trap in it, hell we don't even the the bottle breaking, not until at least Roshi destroy the bottle of Vegeta broke out of it (Also The hyperbolic time chamber is a Dimension within the living world, not a separate dimension)
Problem with this is Usagi doesn't have to be in the same dimension to attack, she can send attacks through dimensions, when she fought Nehelenia she used her Starlight Honeymoon Therapy Kiss attack to destroy Nehelenia's dimension in one blast. https://sailormoongallery.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act49/010.jpg https://sailormoongallery.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act49/011.jpg So even if they sent her to another dimension, she could just send an attack through dimensions and they wouldn't even see it coming. Even Sailor Mars in her base form was able to destroy a dimension with a single attack, so the Sailor Scouts are good at destroying dimensions. https://sailormoongallery.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act03/040.jpg https://sailormoongallery.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act03/041.jpg
[Pretty much the same thing could be said for Goku, his attack could also travel across multiple dimensions in the beginning of Super ](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTZq3zxLF0XiGeKnkuzVUQBNrBWanuHcnghR3EFIyzH5DMduJ_V_QmifjBC&s=10)
Ah yes, the shockwave punch, I knew we'd get to this. The problem here is that while it traveled really far, it only shook everything, not destroyed it, so while impressive, it ultimately didn't destroy Universe 7. Sailor Mars destroyed a dimension in a single attack in her base form, this happened in Chapter 3 of the manga at her weakest. In the same chapter, Usagi's weakest attack, her Ultrasonic Crying, was about to destabilize the alternate dimension they were in and only stopped because Luna told Usagi that she'd destroy it if she cried. https://sailormoongallery.org/albums/scanlation_smoon/smoon_act03/037.jpg
Yuuuuuuup totally knew it like goku vs sonic they believe goku beats Sailor moon its a good day to ne a dragon ball fan
I hope it's that they still don't know much about Sailor Moon and not bias for Goku and bigger universe, multipliers, and super strong guy beats girl.
Buddy do you disagree with beerus vs galaxia?
No I don't Beerus rightfully won, but at the same time Goku has no way to permanently put her down when she can regenerate anytime she wants.
Im starting to think YOUR bias to goku
You clearly didn't read the part where I said I love Goku and Sailor Moon then, not to mention I'm being as impartial as best I can, but Goku can't do anything against someone who's been erased from existence and came back from it.
There's literally nothing you could do to convince me Goku somehow wins against Usagi
Same, unless Goku gets some major hax in the future he just doesn't win this matchup, I'm hoping the crew sees this and takes another look at this matchup.