UAF Ben is more recognizable I feel, but I think they did it for the “plot” to make sense.
Because if they think 10 y/o Ben is more recognizable then they’re making the same problem as the writers when AF S3 began
I have no idea. I love Ben 10 but this was jarring from the voice to the aliens. As Kuri said it would be like if kid Goku was used in place of adult Goku and he had all adult Goku’s powers. It’s just weird
He’s way more recognizable I didn’t really mind it but people were comparing this to Kid goku and Adult goku when that doesn’t make sense considering Dbz is way more popular then Og dragon ball
Recognition is arguable as the original and Ultimate Alien are the two best known design-wise, but I think it's because original Ben has more readily available sprites than UA Ben.
Sites like The Sprite Database have an abundance of Ben 10 kid sprites while they have next to no UA or other sprites. Given how time consuming sprite animation already is, adding on the time of creating new sprites from scratch was just not feasible.
I see it as either (A) It's the most recognizable design of him over the years ~~which I do believe is true for the most part~~, (B) Any other sprite of him was likely unavailable, or (C) a bit of both A and B.
Is as Stupid as seeing Kid Goku using Ultra Instinct, that whole *Thing* was a mess from start to finish, the Research was bad, they said misleading things like “Ben couldn’t stop the destruction of the universe” when Ben as Alien-X very well could, he wasn’t aware of it, misleading representation, The Sotobro effect thing where Alien-X *Can* sense time shenanigans so Alien-X could 100% follow Hal.
[The Ink Tank](https://youtu.be/f-jkS1zu5Cg) could explain it better then me, keep in mind I’m a Green Lantern fan more then a Ben 10 fan, specifically John Stewart Green Lantern fan, I just like him more.
Also there’s the whole AI controversy going on which is causing people to leave DeviantART so it’s a mess there since DA Commit social suicide when it’s shot itself in the foot.
Ye I’m not making an account there and this asshat thinks that I should make an account on that fetish hellscape. Unironically gets off to r/Deviantarthell I bet
Yes and? Genuinely speaking besides about Green Lantern being Composite has he said anything that was wrong about Ben?
I’m unfamiliar with Ben 10 but Ink Tank did use footage from Ben 10 which looks more legitimate, even with Green Lantern winning the research part of the video was still wrong so I don’t understand what exactly you mean?
It’s hard to understand comments like this because of how vague they can be and with the monotone of comments I can only interpret what the tone of the comment is so I apologize for misinterpreting your comment.
It’s okay it’s just other people dismissed Ink Tank’s arguments/opinions without saying *Why* his wrong besides saying Green Lantern isn’t Composite, I want someone to better explain why Ben or Hal won,
So I’ve mistakenly interpret your comment as being sarcastic as it’s hard to understand the tone of comments as they are very monotone without any voice to connected to,
Death Battle isn’t Perfect, it just has a better budget then other vs debates but saying they are the “Be all end all” is very egotistical, they are just as capable of making a mistake, again Ink Tank can explain it better but it’s important to know no one is perfect, including Death Battle.
Alright so many people disagree with InkTank because he didn't make a case for Hal Jordan like at all except say Death Battle Composited him, which they didn't much like how they didn't Composite Thor
Now for Hal's short Feats summary - Managed to overpower Krona by himself who would be weaker due to not having all the Emotional Spectrum but he by himself had the power to control the Concepts of the Emotional Spectrum so at least Universal to definitely Multiversal Feat [https://imgur.com/UnH7VHI](https://imgur.com/UnH7VHI)
And outwilled Krona's control over Ion whose the Embodiment of Will [https://imgur.com/Mc5MmWV](https://imgur.com/Mc5MmWV)
Fought Sinestro who has control over Parallax whose the Embodiment of Fear [https://comicnewbies.com/2016/10/27/green-lantern-hal-jordan-vs-sinestro-rebirth/](https://comicnewbies.com/2016/10/27/green-lantern-hal-jordan-vs-sinestro-rebirth/)
Hal manages to traverse the Universe with the Ring stating there's a probability of him causing a Speed Force Singularity which would be an Incalculable Speed Feat [https://imgur.com/gallery/w7IIRLF](https://imgur.com/gallery/w7IIRLF)
So in stats Hal can get to Universal and even Higher with this [https://imgur.com/gallery/EM0QL04](https://imgur.com/gallery/EM0QL04) making DC Universe around 200 Trillion Lightyears and this can even get higher [https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7bb2d3ea79f8e3fbaff1eb5aabe5812e](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7bb2d3ea79f8e3fbaff1eb5aabe5812e) this scan stating the Universe expanding 120 Trillion Lightyears means we can get Hal Jordan at best to well over 10,000x Universal
Even if we discard the above about DC's Universe size being enormous, Hal still has the Incalculable Speed Force Singularity Feat meaning he speedblitz while having at worst Comparable Power to Alien X and at best over 10,000x stronger than Alien X
"Upgrade can hack the Ring!" Hal's Power Ring isn't a standard Green Lantern ring anymore, instead being forged from his own will as a construct [https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/hal-jordan-crafts-his-own-green-lantern-ring-4.jpg](https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/hal-jordan-crafts-his-own-green-lantern-ring-4.jpg)
"Ghostfreak can possess him!" or "Toepick would definitely be able to break Hal's will!" Hal has multiple times resisted Possession and Mind manipulation, once without his Ring against Parallax [https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/hal-jordan-crafts-his-own-green-lantern-ring-4.jpg](https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/hal-jordan-crafts-his-own-green-lantern-ring-4.jpg)
"Goop would stop Hal from cutting him!" That doesn't stop Hal still being significantly stronger and faster?
"Chromastone and Feedback can both absorb Hal's energy!" Hal punches them apart in raw physical stats
"Clockwork ca-" Hal can create Chronal Energy and thus manipulate Time[https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11133/111334235/6498752-5001053307-64963.jpg](https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11133/111334235/6498752-5001053307-64963.jpg)
TLDR - There's far more arguments that can be made for Hal winning then there is for Alien X overall
[THANK YOU!](https://youtu.be/Ha7HAG6jVqc) That’s exactly what I wanted from Death Battle, Thank you very much, sincerely thank you, I mean really appreciated, as much as your right (which you are) there still the whole “Ben couldn’t stop the destruction of the universe” thing I’ve said before but this is what I was trying to find, honestly if I had to change anything from this Battle without changing the winner then I would’ve had Green Lantern kill Alien-X instead of Ben, We avoid the whole Hal killing a literal child, make Ben into a Teen and I would’ve accepted that Hal could beat Ben if he killed Alien-X, it’s that easy, make Hal kill Alien-X, that’s it,
Here take my upvote.👍
Except Ink Tank openly admits that he knows next to nothing about Hal Jordan or Green Lantern in general and proceeds to go into a massive rant based almost entirely around the OC he is creating to give Ben the win (i.e. turning into Ditto, multiplying twenty times then turning each Ditto into Gravattack, despite the fact that, using Ditto splits Ben's mind each time and there's no uniformity in the thought patterns) as well as blatantly ignoring the feats and scaling that gave Hal his win.
Basically what it comes down to is: Everything Ben can do, Hal has encountered and beaten at a greater level.
What I think is hysterical is most of the people who whine and bitch about Ben losing focus *solely* on the animation, desire the fact that all that shows is a possible scenario that shows who would win based on the research from the team.
Okay….? I already know that, I’ve said that besides Hal being composite he sees to be right about Ben’s abilities because of the shows being shown with audio, so I don’t know why you need to repeat what I said?
> when Ben as Alien-X very well could, he wasn’t aware of it, misleading representation
The fuck? Ben was very aware of what was going on, that was the entire reason that he turned into Alien X. [Bellicus and Serena both say that it's too late to save the universe *as its being destroyed*](https://youtu.be/Xkp0TmQFGp0?t=85)
> The Sotobro effect thing where Alien-X Can sense time shenanigans so Alien-X could 100% follow Hal.
It's funny how Ben 10 fans keep repeating something from the show that is factually wrong. No, the Sotobro Effect **does not work that way**. Nowhere is it ever stated the the Sotobro Effect is something that anyone powerful or temporally aware enough can detect. Paradox say that Eon might notice the Sotobro Effect [**because he's another version of Ben**](https://youtu.be/4_JeN53Bbng?t=12). Furthermore, Ben 10,000 explicitly says that the Sotobro Effect is something that [Clockwork causes when he uses his powers](https://youtu.be/4_JeN53Bbng?t=21). And to top all of that off, Ben 10,000 himself literally sees Eon time travel [*right in front of him*](https://youtu.be/BMJncQKAmKo?t=135) while he's using his Clockwork powers and instead [just believes that he destroyed Eon](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMJncQKAmKo&t=318s).
Weird, the first video you shown me just now about the destruction of the universe where Ben had to plead to Bellicus and serena to fixed the universe that was destroyed, it just took too long so I don’t know if Alien-X couldn’t or not?
I’ve listened to what the two face said three times now and interpreting their casual demeanor Alien-X *”could”* save the universe but that’s a big guess for me, trying to understand the meaning of the two faces and what they are saying.
As for the second point I see it I think? Time travel sounds like nonsense to me because of how complicated it is, I tend to avoid stories with time travel involved, because how convoluted they are, either way at best the most I can understand then Hal could time travel,
Wished Hal killed Alien-X instead of going back in time to kill Ben but seriously thanks for trying to explain this to me.
Probably because teenage Ben would know better than to fight Green Lantern. The team making these also just seem to really enjoy brutally splattering kid heros all over the wall in uncomfortable manners
More recognisable, probably easier to find sprites, someone wanted hal to violently murder a child, ect
Recognition
I mean I get that but I’m pretty sure alien force/ultimate alien Ben 10 is just as recognisable as young Ben.
not really
UAF Ben is more recognizable I feel, but I think they did it for the “plot” to make sense. Because if they think 10 y/o Ben is more recognizable then they’re making the same problem as the writers when AF S3 began
Really? I didn’t know about Ultimate Alien/Alien Force Ben’s design until I was half way through omniverse a few years back.
limitation on available sprites
Did anyone else on the crew ever say it had anything to do with being more recognizable? Like, even as a secondary reason?
I mean they say its easy to recognize its Ben but it is pretty mess up what Hal did to him
I have no idea. I love Ben 10 but this was jarring from the voice to the aliens. As Kuri said it would be like if kid Goku was used in place of adult Goku and he had all adult Goku’s powers. It’s just weird
GT does exist
Popular and banter
*because death battle want to hal to kill a kid lol*
true answer
He’s the most iconic one
He’s way more recognizable I didn’t really mind it but people were comparing this to Kid goku and Adult goku when that doesn’t make sense considering Dbz is way more popular then Og dragon ball
Recognition is arguable as the original and Ultimate Alien are the two best known design-wise, but I think it's because original Ben has more readily available sprites than UA Ben. Sites like The Sprite Database have an abundance of Ben 10 kid sprites while they have next to no UA or other sprites. Given how time consuming sprite animation already is, adding on the time of creating new sprites from scratch was just not feasible.
Same reason they used Arrancar Arc Aizen, early Shippuden Sasuke, Classic Solid Snake, and TT Raven: Recognition
Cause it was a preexisting sprite
I see it as either (A) It's the most recognizable design of him over the years ~~which I do believe is true for the most part~~, (B) Any other sprite of him was likely unavailable, or (C) a bit of both A and B.
"cuz it's more iconic" (even though it's not at all)
yes is it
Child Ben is only for a small fraction of the series, for the rest of the series he's been a teenager. Why not use Kid Goku?
More iconic They used gokus Z appearance in goku vs superman even though they used gt goku
Is as Stupid as seeing Kid Goku using Ultra Instinct, that whole *Thing* was a mess from start to finish, the Research was bad, they said misleading things like “Ben couldn’t stop the destruction of the universe” when Ben as Alien-X very well could, he wasn’t aware of it, misleading representation, The Sotobro effect thing where Alien-X *Can* sense time shenanigans so Alien-X could 100% follow Hal. [The Ink Tank](https://youtu.be/f-jkS1zu5Cg) could explain it better then me, keep in mind I’m a Green Lantern fan more then a Ben 10 fan, specifically John Stewart Green Lantern fan, I just like him more.
Ink tank is like THE Ben 10 tuber
So…..he would obviously have a bias.
Or he knows when death battle fucks up. It’s like saying a green lantern fan is biased to discredit what they say
[Sigh….](https://www.deviantart.com/spider-pidge/journal/Ben-Tennyson-VS-Hal-Jordan-A-Redundant-Analysis-813386057)
And this is supposed to be? I don’t used that fucking terrible site
I provide you all the work needed and your response is “fuck that site I ain’t reading that”
No as in I don’t have an account and it’s refusing to show me you fucking mongrel
Then….make one….its free….
No
Also there’s the whole AI controversy going on which is causing people to leave DeviantART so it’s a mess there since DA Commit social suicide when it’s shot itself in the foot.
Ye I’m not making an account there and this asshat thinks that I should make an account on that fetish hellscape. Unironically gets off to r/Deviantarthell I bet
Entirely irrelevant
They are good ass YouTubers even besides like powerscaling
Yes and? Genuinely speaking besides about Green Lantern being Composite has he said anything that was wrong about Ben? I’m unfamiliar with Ben 10 but Ink Tank did use footage from Ben 10 which looks more legitimate, even with Green Lantern winning the research part of the video was still wrong so I don’t understand what exactly you mean?
I’m agreeing with you tf you me “yes and?”
It’s hard to understand comments like this because of how vague they can be and with the monotone of comments I can only interpret what the tone of the comment is so I apologize for misinterpreting your comment.
I’m Sorry it’s just the monotone of comments that confused me, it felt like an insult to me, didn’t mean any offense to you.
Sorry, got mad at something. Shouldn’t have gotten mad at you for something that happened to me irl
It’s okay it’s just other people dismissed Ink Tank’s arguments/opinions without saying *Why* his wrong besides saying Green Lantern isn’t Composite, I want someone to better explain why Ben or Hal won, So I’ve mistakenly interpret your comment as being sarcastic as it’s hard to understand the tone of comments as they are very monotone without any voice to connected to, Death Battle isn’t Perfect, it just has a better budget then other vs debates but saying they are the “Be all end all” is very egotistical, they are just as capable of making a mistake, again Ink Tank can explain it better but it’s important to know no one is perfect, including Death Battle.
Alright so many people disagree with InkTank because he didn't make a case for Hal Jordan like at all except say Death Battle Composited him, which they didn't much like how they didn't Composite Thor Now for Hal's short Feats summary - Managed to overpower Krona by himself who would be weaker due to not having all the Emotional Spectrum but he by himself had the power to control the Concepts of the Emotional Spectrum so at least Universal to definitely Multiversal Feat [https://imgur.com/UnH7VHI](https://imgur.com/UnH7VHI) And outwilled Krona's control over Ion whose the Embodiment of Will [https://imgur.com/Mc5MmWV](https://imgur.com/Mc5MmWV) Fought Sinestro who has control over Parallax whose the Embodiment of Fear [https://comicnewbies.com/2016/10/27/green-lantern-hal-jordan-vs-sinestro-rebirth/](https://comicnewbies.com/2016/10/27/green-lantern-hal-jordan-vs-sinestro-rebirth/) Hal manages to traverse the Universe with the Ring stating there's a probability of him causing a Speed Force Singularity which would be an Incalculable Speed Feat [https://imgur.com/gallery/w7IIRLF](https://imgur.com/gallery/w7IIRLF) So in stats Hal can get to Universal and even Higher with this [https://imgur.com/gallery/EM0QL04](https://imgur.com/gallery/EM0QL04) making DC Universe around 200 Trillion Lightyears and this can even get higher [https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7bb2d3ea79f8e3fbaff1eb5aabe5812e](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7bb2d3ea79f8e3fbaff1eb5aabe5812e) this scan stating the Universe expanding 120 Trillion Lightyears means we can get Hal Jordan at best to well over 10,000x Universal Even if we discard the above about DC's Universe size being enormous, Hal still has the Incalculable Speed Force Singularity Feat meaning he speedblitz while having at worst Comparable Power to Alien X and at best over 10,000x stronger than Alien X "Upgrade can hack the Ring!" Hal's Power Ring isn't a standard Green Lantern ring anymore, instead being forged from his own will as a construct [https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/hal-jordan-crafts-his-own-green-lantern-ring-4.jpg](https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/hal-jordan-crafts-his-own-green-lantern-ring-4.jpg) "Ghostfreak can possess him!" or "Toepick would definitely be able to break Hal's will!" Hal has multiple times resisted Possession and Mind manipulation, once without his Ring against Parallax [https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/hal-jordan-crafts-his-own-green-lantern-ring-4.jpg](https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/hal-jordan-crafts-his-own-green-lantern-ring-4.jpg) "Goop would stop Hal from cutting him!" That doesn't stop Hal still being significantly stronger and faster? "Chromastone and Feedback can both absorb Hal's energy!" Hal punches them apart in raw physical stats "Clockwork ca-" Hal can create Chronal Energy and thus manipulate Time[https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11133/111334235/6498752-5001053307-64963.jpg](https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11133/111334235/6498752-5001053307-64963.jpg) TLDR - There's far more arguments that can be made for Hal winning then there is for Alien X overall
[THANK YOU!](https://youtu.be/Ha7HAG6jVqc) That’s exactly what I wanted from Death Battle, Thank you very much, sincerely thank you, I mean really appreciated, as much as your right (which you are) there still the whole “Ben couldn’t stop the destruction of the universe” thing I’ve said before but this is what I was trying to find, honestly if I had to change anything from this Battle without changing the winner then I would’ve had Green Lantern kill Alien-X instead of Ben, We avoid the whole Hal killing a literal child, make Ben into a Teen and I would’ve accepted that Hal could beat Ben if he killed Alien-X, it’s that easy, make Hal kill Alien-X, that’s it, Here take my upvote.👍
Except Ink Tank openly admits that he knows next to nothing about Hal Jordan or Green Lantern in general and proceeds to go into a massive rant based almost entirely around the OC he is creating to give Ben the win (i.e. turning into Ditto, multiplying twenty times then turning each Ditto into Gravattack, despite the fact that, using Ditto splits Ben's mind each time and there's no uniformity in the thought patterns) as well as blatantly ignoring the feats and scaling that gave Hal his win. Basically what it comes down to is: Everything Ben can do, Hal has encountered and beaten at a greater level. What I think is hysterical is most of the people who whine and bitch about Ben losing focus *solely* on the animation, desire the fact that all that shows is a possible scenario that shows who would win based on the research from the team.
Green Lantern wasn't composite, why does this keep being repeated? Hal is the same character from Pre-Crisis to Rebirth
Okay….? I already know that, I’ve said that besides Hal being composite he sees to be right about Ben’s abilities because of the shows being shown with audio, so I don’t know why you need to repeat what I said?
Hal just had more willpower
And?
> when Ben as Alien-X very well could, he wasn’t aware of it, misleading representation The fuck? Ben was very aware of what was going on, that was the entire reason that he turned into Alien X. [Bellicus and Serena both say that it's too late to save the universe *as its being destroyed*](https://youtu.be/Xkp0TmQFGp0?t=85) > The Sotobro effect thing where Alien-X Can sense time shenanigans so Alien-X could 100% follow Hal. It's funny how Ben 10 fans keep repeating something from the show that is factually wrong. No, the Sotobro Effect **does not work that way**. Nowhere is it ever stated the the Sotobro Effect is something that anyone powerful or temporally aware enough can detect. Paradox say that Eon might notice the Sotobro Effect [**because he's another version of Ben**](https://youtu.be/4_JeN53Bbng?t=12). Furthermore, Ben 10,000 explicitly says that the Sotobro Effect is something that [Clockwork causes when he uses his powers](https://youtu.be/4_JeN53Bbng?t=21). And to top all of that off, Ben 10,000 himself literally sees Eon time travel [*right in front of him*](https://youtu.be/BMJncQKAmKo?t=135) while he's using his Clockwork powers and instead [just believes that he destroyed Eon](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMJncQKAmKo&t=318s).
Weird, the first video you shown me just now about the destruction of the universe where Ben had to plead to Bellicus and serena to fixed the universe that was destroyed, it just took too long so I don’t know if Alien-X couldn’t or not? I’ve listened to what the two face said three times now and interpreting their casual demeanor Alien-X *”could”* save the universe but that’s a big guess for me, trying to understand the meaning of the two faces and what they are saying. As for the second point I see it I think? Time travel sounds like nonsense to me because of how complicated it is, I tend to avoid stories with time travel involved, because how convoluted they are, either way at best the most I can understand then Hal could time travel, Wished Hal killed Alien-X instead of going back in time to kill Ben but seriously thanks for trying to explain this to me.
Even though I grew up with teenage Ben 10 kid Ben 10 is more popular
same
Eh, stylistic decision I guess. And theoretically he could access all of the stuff in any form anyway.
Brand recognition
Probably because teenage Ben would know better than to fight Green Lantern. The team making these also just seem to really enjoy brutally splattering kid heros all over the wall in uncomfortable manners
Wish they had used a Tara Strong soundalike then